Pro-choice at record low...41 percent.

Mr.Nick said:
If you cant afford a child then use contraception, Oh and don't expect that contraception for free either. If you cant afford that shit then don't have sex.... If you're a fucking moron who DID fuck stupidly then give the baby up for adoption (private adoption).... Murdering a fetus is a selfish solution to an alleged problem and it is completely unnecessary.

Ouch this was painful to read.

You expect people to use contraception, everyone. But what about those who cannot afford it? People are going to have sex no matter what, you said that in one of your posts. You can't have it both ways.

And I'm not saying provide contraception to everyone just those who cannot afford it themselves.
 
"Murder" is a legal term, not a Mr. Nick term based on opinion.

You can call the intentional prevention or impediment of an individual to exist/live whatever you want. It doesn't change the act.

I would certainly call abortion first degree murder given the intent.

They've changed the meaning of "marriage", "baby" and now "murder".

It's to hide intent.

The terms are defined legally. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own definitions and facts.
 
Which slaves? Where? What were the circumstances? How did they comport with the laws?

Which honor killings? Where? What were the circumstances? How did the comport with the laws?
 
The middle ground is birth control education. As was stated in the posts preceding the ones you quoted.

More than 46 percent of abortions are the result of unwanted pregnancies which in turn were the result of not using any kind of birth control.

Raising the use of birth control would lower the number of abortions.

This is the middle ground that can be found between the pro-life and pro-choice groups.

Overturning Roe v Wade would not have any effect on the number of abortions. All this rhetorical bomb throwing has no effect, either.

But raising birth control usage would lower the number of abortions. We could put a serious dent in that number. And when abortions become less frequent, they become less socially acceptable.

It's win/win for everyone.

Abortion aside; look for a massive increase in spending on Prisons over the next 10-20 years.

Cutting off the pennies spent for contraception today will result in a burgeoning prison population down the road. The facts are clear on this; unwanted pregnancies often lead to a life of crime for the child.

So if you're around my age range (late 30's), you may want to buy some stock in CCA (Corrections Corporation of America). This is where the jobs will come from thanks to the short-sighted policies of today.

Schools will get more over-crowded, there will be more people on entitlements, greater prison population, more crime of course, etc....

Great, more scare tactics. "IF YOU DON'T FUND PP THERE WILL BE MORE CRIME!"
I didn't say anything about planned parenthood. State departments of health do quite a bit of education and supplying of contraception through the title grants.

But there is no correlation between the huge upswing in crime and sex education, no fault divorce, on-demand abortion, free access to birth control.

You're picking too many correlatory points to draw comparisons. No fault divorce?
Explain to me how that works again?
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One of the birth control pills I purchase can be bought for less than $1.00 a cycle. A year's worth is $12.00 or less. Placing that in the hands of the target population would mean that for $12.00 per suspect, we can prevent unwanted pregnancies for that woman. Most of the pills I buy are between 3 and 8 dollars a cycles--the $1 is the outlyer.

When the same unwatned pregancy's child ends up in prison, we spend upwards of $30K a year just warehousing him or her.

Spend a little now or spend a lot later. History has proven what a problem overcrowding prisons/classrooms are. Some are too stupid to learn the lesson. That's okay; some lessons need to be taught. This is one of them.
 
To protect our families not so much. Now our way of life...our oil fueled economy that is...yeah I can by that one.

Our "oil fueled economy" has eliminated starvation in our country. Without oil, hundreds of millions of people will die worldwide.

Nope that has more to do with the temperate climate we've had in the last 150 years.

•925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.

Regardless of the benefits (or not) of our oil fueled economy, our military presence in the ME is a direct result of the need to control the flow.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.
 
To protect our families not so much. Now our way of life...our oil fueled economy that is...yeah I can by that one.

Our "oil fueled economy" has eliminated starvation in our country. Without oil, hundreds of millions of people will die worldwide.

Nope that has more to do with the temperate climate we've had in the last 150 years.

•925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.

Regardless of the benefits (or not) of our oil fueled economy, our military presence in the ME is a direct result of the need to control the flow.

Plentiful food is the result of modern farm machinery, refrigeration and transportation. All of which rely heavily on oil.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.
 
Why do you believe that I should be in jail?

Not for your ideology. Your ideology, however, reveals that somewhere you have committed a crime in furthering it. Just a matter of finding it.

You have failed to answer the following, the which you must agree with.

The Civil War was fought because sides sinned against God because of slavery, which had to be washed with the blood of the nation.
The invasion of Iraq was unnecessary, damaged our economy, wrecked the morale of the guard and the reserve, made the world more unstable, and joined an unholy alliance of armaments dealers and neo-cons, often the same individuals.

The US hasn't been attacked by Islamic terrorists since we joined the war against Islamo-Fascism.

And neither has a giant meteor struck the earth since I did my mystic anti meteor chant.
 
Our "oil fueled economy" has eliminated starvation in our country. Without oil, hundreds of millions of people will die worldwide.

Nope that has more to do with the temperate climate we've had in the last 150 years.

•925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.

Regardless of the benefits (or not) of our oil fueled economy, our military presence in the ME is a direct result of the need to control the flow.

Plentiful food is the result of modern farm machinery, refrigeration and transportation. All of which rely heavily on oil.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.

Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail.

No we don't have that much in proven reserves. Perhaps your confused.

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Although estimates of the cost to produce oil shale vary widely, the process is more expensive and energy-intensive than extracting crude from Canada’s oil sands. Producers would require oil prices of roughly $100 a barrel before this capital-intensive process would be feasible on a commercial scale.

In the early 1980s Exxon embarked on a massive effort to produce oil shale in Colorado. The so-called Colony Oil Shale project was expected to cost $5 billion--an exorbitant amount in 1980--but the investment appeared worthwhile based on prevailing oil prices and the company’s optimistic production forecasts.
 
Nope that has more to do with the temperate climate we've had in the last 150 years.

•925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.

Regardless of the benefits (or not) of our oil fueled economy, our military presence in the ME is a direct result of the need to control the flow.

Plentiful food is the result of modern farm machinery, refrigeration and transportation. All of which rely heavily on oil.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.

Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail.

No we don't have that much in proven reserves. Perhaps your confused.

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Although estimates of the cost to produce oil shale vary widely, the process is more expensive and energy-intensive than extracting crude from Canada’s oil sands. Producers would require oil prices of roughly $100 a barrel before this capital-intensive process would be feasible on a commercial scale.

In the early 1980s Exxon embarked on a massive effort to produce oil shale in Colorado. The so-called Colony Oil Shale project was expected to cost $5 billion--an exorbitant amount in 1980--but the investment appeared worthwhile based on prevailing oil prices and the company’s optimistic production forecasts.

It only counts as a "proven reserve" after a company has been allowed to explore and find oil. The government is granting very, very few permits for exploration on public land.

We can't control the weather but we are pretty good at adapting to it. We survived the Great Dust-bowl of the 1930's.
 
No one has the "right" to murder another individual...

I love how the left continually uses the Fourteenth Amendment to justify gay marriage, yet the fetus is not entitled to the same rights?

Leftists are a bunch of hypocrites and sociopaths...
 
No one has the "right" to murder another individual...

I love how the left continually uses the Fourteenth Amendment to justify gay marriage, yet the fetus is not entitled to the same rights?

Leftists are a bunch of hypocrites and sociopaths...

This is why they're continually changing what words mean. It's to hide what they do/who they are/what they want.
 
Plentiful food is the result of modern farm machinery, refrigeration and transportation. All of which rely heavily on oil.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.

Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail.

No we don't have that much in proven reserves. Perhaps your confused.

Oil Shale, Shale Oil, And 6 Ways to Play the Difference - Seeking Alpha

Although estimates of the cost to produce oil shale vary widely, the process is more expensive and energy-intensive than extracting crude from Canada’s oil sands. Producers would require oil prices of roughly $100 a barrel before this capital-intensive process would be feasible on a commercial scale.

In the early 1980s Exxon embarked on a massive effort to produce oil shale in Colorado. The so-called Colony Oil Shale project was expected to cost $5 billion--an exorbitant amount in 1980--but the investment appeared worthwhile based on prevailing oil prices and the company’s optimistic production forecasts.

It only counts as a "proven reserve" after a company has been allowed to explore and find oil. The government is granting very, very few permits for exploration on public land.

We can't control the weather but we are pretty good at adapting to it. We survived the Great Dust-bowl of the 1930's.

Yep we survived the great dust bowl due to federal regulations and money.
 
Our "oil fueled economy" has eliminated starvation in our country. Without oil, hundreds of millions of people will die worldwide.

Nope that has more to do with the temperate climate we've had in the last 150 years.

•925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.

Regardless of the benefits (or not) of our oil fueled economy, our military presence in the ME is a direct result of the need to control the flow.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.

Is that why there is an oil gut in the US from increased production?
 
Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail.

No we don't have that much in proven reserves. Perhaps your confused.

Oil Shale, Shale Oil, And 6 Ways to Play the Difference - Seeking Alpha

Although estimates of the cost to produce oil shale vary widely, the process is more expensive and energy-intensive than extracting crude from Canada’s oil sands. Producers would require oil prices of roughly $100 a barrel before this capital-intensive process would be feasible on a commercial scale.

In the early 1980s Exxon embarked on a massive effort to produce oil shale in Colorado. The so-called Colony Oil Shale project was expected to cost $5 billion--an exorbitant amount in 1980--but the investment appeared worthwhile based on prevailing oil prices and the company’s optimistic production forecasts.

It only counts as a "proven reserve" after a company has been allowed to explore and find oil. The government is granting very, very few permits for exploration on public land.

We can't control the weather but we are pretty good at adapting to it. We survived the Great Dust-bowl of the 1930's.

Yep we survived the great dust bowl due to federal regulations and money.

Damn right. If it were not for the feds it would be a desert now.
Without the feds the farmers ruined the ecological environment of prarie grass.
 
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Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail.

No we don't have that much in proven reserves. Perhaps your confused.

Oil Shale, Shale Oil, And 6 Ways to Play the Difference - Seeking Alpha

Although estimates of the cost to produce oil shale vary widely, the process is more expensive and energy-intensive than extracting crude from Canada’s oil sands. Producers would require oil prices of roughly $100 a barrel before this capital-intensive process would be feasible on a commercial scale.

In the early 1980s Exxon embarked on a massive effort to produce oil shale in Colorado. The so-called Colony Oil Shale project was expected to cost $5 billion--an exorbitant amount in 1980--but the investment appeared worthwhile based on prevailing oil prices and the company’s optimistic production forecasts.

It only counts as a "proven reserve" after a company has been allowed to explore and find oil. The government is granting very, very few permits for exploration on public land.

We can't control the weather but we are pretty good at adapting to it. We survived the Great Dust-bowl of the 1930's.

Yep we survived the great dust bowl due to federal regulations and money.

In that case, you need to revise this comment: "Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail."

Perhaps it should read: "Without the government, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail."
 
It only counts as a "proven reserve" after a company has been allowed to explore and find oil. The government is granting very, very few permits for exploration on public land.

We can't control the weather but we are pretty good at adapting to it. We survived the Great Dust-bowl of the 1930's.

Yep we survived the great dust bowl due to federal regulations and money.

In that case, you need to revise this comment: "Without proper weather conditions, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail."

Perhaps it should read: "Without the government, no matter how much oil we have, the breadbasket will fail."

It is not quite as simple as either of those viewpoints.
 
Nope that has more to do with the temperate climate we've had in the last 150 years.

•925 million people do not have enough to eat — more than the populations of USA, Canada and the European Union combined.

Regardless of the benefits (or not) of our oil fueled economy, our military presence in the ME is a direct result of the need to control the flow.

Actually, the US has enough oil in the ground and offshore to provide our needs for over 100 years. Perhaps the next administration won't prevent the oil companies from exploiting these natural resources.

Is that why there is an oil gut in the US from increased production?

The oil companies are applying for permits to explore and drill for oil. The government is not granting these permits. There is a marked increase in oil production on private lands.
 
It only counts as a "proven reserve" after a company has been allowed to explore and find oil. The government is granting very, very few permits for exploration on public land.

We can't control the weather but we are pretty good at adapting to it. We survived the Great Dust-bowl of the 1930's.

Yep we survived the great dust bowl due to federal regulations and money.

Damn right. If it were not for the feds it would be a desert now.
Without the feds the farmers ruined the ecological environment of prarie grass.

The worst 10 year drought in American history had nothing to do with it?

If the government is so great, why didn't they prevent the dust bowl before it happened? Don't you think that the farmers would have learned from this experience without government interference??
 

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