Pro-Life all the way: Trump continues to deliver on campaign promises

[Dana7360]

No where in our society does our government or science declare that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a baby or living human being.

Actually science does indeed declare that, in fact science leaves no other option.

A zygote, embryo or fetus are the results of reproduction of two humans. Two humans can only produce another human, nothing else.

So, if a zygote, embryo or fetus are not human as you claim, then what are they? They have to be some form of animal, so which one will you claim they are until the magical time they transform into a human?

I said living human being.

Yes science agrees that it's the potential or developing to be a living human being.

However, science doesn't say that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a living humming being.

Here you go from a science dictionary:

Zygote: A zygote is a fertilized egg containing two sets of chromosomes, one from the egg (oocyte) and one form the sperm. The zygote is a single cell and the result of a fusion between two gametes, an egg (female) and one sperm cell (male)

Ebryo:
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

• productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period
• —Henry Hewes

Fetus:
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth — compare embryo 1b

Now give the text book definition of a “human being”. Be sure to copy and paste


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Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing human being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No where in our society does our government or science declare that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a baby or living human being.

Actually science does indeed declare that, in fact science leaves no other option.

A zygote, embryo or fetus are the results of reproduction of two humans. Two humans can only produce another human, nothing else.

So, if a zygote, embryo or fetus are not human as you claim, then what are they? They have to be some form of animal, so which one will you claim they are until the magical time they transform into a human?

I said living human being.

Yes science agrees that it's the potential or developing to be a living human being.

However, science doesn't say that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a living humming being.

Here you go from a science dictionary:

Zygote: A zygote is a fertilized egg containing two sets of chromosomes, one from the egg (oocyte) and one form the sperm. The zygote is a single cell and the result of a fusion between two gametes, an egg (female) and one sperm cell (male)

Ebryo:
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

• productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period
• —Henry Hewes

Fetus:
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth — compare embryo 1b

Now give the text book definition of a “human being”. Be sure to copy and paste


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Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing humming being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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[jc456]

Chicago bubba. damn again, not using that brain.

Chicago has concealed carry, dumbass.

they do now, but not back when it was the first toughest gun law before Mcdonald vs the city of chicago. dude learn you something about guns.

You claimed they have the toughest gun laws. That clearly isn’t true, you need to learn something about guns...

I certainly did. prove me wrong.

You are the one making false claim, idiot.

well prove me wrong then. you seem rather confident post up your link. I already gave you the one that proved it was.

 

[jc456]

No where in our society does our government or science declare that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a baby or living human being.

Actually science does indeed declare that, in fact science leaves no other option.

A zygote, embryo or fetus are the results of reproduction of two humans. Two humans can only produce another human, nothing else.

So, if a zygote, embryo or fetus are not human as you claim, then what are they? They have to be some form of animal, so which one will you claim they are until the magical time they transform into a human?

I said living human being.

Yes science agrees that it's the potential or developing to be a living human being.

However, science doesn't say that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a living humming being.

Here you go from a science dictionary:

Zygote: A zygote is a fertilized egg containing two sets of chromosomes, one from the egg (oocyte) and one form the sperm. The zygote is a single cell and the result of a fusion between two gametes, an egg (female) and one sperm cell (male)

Ebryo:
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

• productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period
• —Henry Hewes

Fetus:
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth — compare embryo 1b

Now give the text book definition of a “human being”. Be sure to copy and paste


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Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing humming being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

 

[Dragonlady]

Actually science does indeed declare that, in fact science leaves no other option.

A zygote, embryo or fetus are the results of reproduction of two humans. Two humans can only produce another human, nothing else.

So, if a zygote, embryo or fetus are not human as you claim, then what are they? They have to be some form of animal, so which one will you claim they are until the magical time they transform into a human?

I said living human being.

Yes science agrees that it's the potential or developing to be a living human being.

However, science doesn't say that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a living humming being.

Here you go from a science dictionary:

Zygote: A zygote is a fertilized egg containing two sets of chromosomes, one from the egg (oocyte) and one form the sperm. The zygote is a single cell and the result of a fusion between two gametes, an egg (female) and one sperm cell (male)

Ebryo:
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

• productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period
• —Henry Hewes

Fetus:
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth — compare embryo 1b

Now give the text book definition of a “human being”. Be sure to copy and paste


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Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing humming being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

The Bible specifically says that if a man harms a woman causing her to miscarry, the man must pay her husband a sum of money for the loss of the child. The Bible does NOT say the man has murdered the child or that he is to be punished for murder.

 

[g5000]

He is making good on his promise to defend the lives of the most vulnerable among us..pregnant women and infants. Other presidents have talked the talk, but then appointed SCOTUSes who were not pro-life at all.

"...Trump is continuing his practice of outsourcing his judicial appointments to intensely trustworthy people, under the watchful eye of chief adviser Leonard Leo, executive vice-president of the Federalist Society, who also had a hand in the Roberts and Alito appointments."

"As Edward Whelan, a prominent conservative legal activist and blogger, wrote recently, “No one has been more dedicated to the enterprise of building a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade than the Federalist Society’s Leonard Leo.”

Trump Is the Most Substantively Anti-Abortion President Ever

I'm pro-life. As a matter of principle, I believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned.

However, reversing that decision will have almost no effect on the number of abortions in America.

The people leading you around by the nose have no Plan B.

All this hustle and bustle about judges and Roe v. Wade is theater for the rubes. Just like "repeal and replace".

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I said living human being.

Yes science agrees that it's the potential or developing to be a living human being.

However, science doesn't say that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a living humming being.

Here you go from a science dictionary:

Zygote: A zygote is a fertilized egg containing two sets of chromosomes, one from the egg (oocyte) and one form the sperm. The zygote is a single cell and the result of a fusion between two gametes, an egg (female) and one sperm cell (male)

Ebryo:
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

• productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period
• —Henry Hewes

Fetus:
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth — compare embryo 1b

Now give the text book definition of a “human being”. Be sure to copy and paste


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Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing humming being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

The Bible specifically says that if a man harms a woman causing her to miscarry, the man must pay her husband a sum of money for the loss of the child. The Bible does NOT say the man has murdered the child or that he is to be punished for murder.

We are not a theocracy and do not base our laws on the Bronze Age rules of a backwards nomadic tribe.


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[Dragonlady]

Now give the text book definition of a “human being”. Be sure to copy and paste


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Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing humming being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

The Bible specifically says that if a man harms a woman causing her to miscarry, the man must pay her husband a sum of money for the loss of the child. The Bible does NOT say the man has murdered the child or that he is to be punished for murder.

We are not a theocracy and do not base our laws on the Bronze Age rules of a backwards nomadic tribe.


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I’m posting this to make a point to those using religious and Bibical reasons for opposing abortion.

Realistically, the birth rate did not drop in the years following Roe v Wade which strongly suggests that the decision legalized what in effect had been a thriving abortion trade. That won’t change whether the procedure is legal or not.

I would rather the procedure remain legal, regulated, and open, for the safety of the women.

If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one, or work for better maternity leave and job protections for pregnant women - useful things to make it easier for women to have their babies. Change the Republican employment policies that drive this high abortion rate.

 

[jc456]

Please use my words. You left out the word LIVING.

Science doesn't call any zygote, embryo or fetus as a LIVING human being. Science says it's the potential or beginning of a human being. No where is the word alive or living included in the definition.

Why do you leave the word LIVING out?

Science says a zygote, embryo or fetus is the developing humming being. Not a living human being. So there is no life or person to kill or murder. Nor does the word murder refer to anything that's at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage.

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

The Bible specifically says that if a man harms a woman causing her to miscarry, the man must pay her husband a sum of money for the loss of the child. The Bible does NOT say the man has murdered the child or that he is to be punished for murder.

We are not a theocracy and do not base our laws on the Bronze Age rules of a backwards nomadic tribe.


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I’m posting this to make a point to those using religious and Bibical reasons for opposing abortion.

Realistically, the birth rate did not drop in the years following Roe v Wade which strongly suggests that the decision legalized what in effect had been a thriving abortion trade. That won’t change whether the procedure is legal or not.

I would rather the procedure remain legal, regulated, and open, for the safety of the women.

If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one, or work for better maternity leave and job protections for pregnant women - useful things to make it easier for women to have their babies. Change the Republican employment policies that drive this high abortion rate.

dudette, just don't use tax payer money for your murders. Or close the holes.

 

[Dragonlady]

So your stance is that the zygote, embryo and fetus are not alive? Really, that is where you want to go?

Also, in most states a person can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman and the fetus


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and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

The Bible specifically says that if a man harms a woman causing her to miscarry, the man must pay her husband a sum of money for the loss of the child. The Bible does NOT say the man has murdered the child or that he is to be punished for murder.

We are not a theocracy and do not base our laws on the Bronze Age rules of a backwards nomadic tribe.


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I’m posting this to make a point to those using religious and Bibical reasons for opposing abortion.

Realistically, the birth rate did not drop in the years following Roe v Wade which strongly suggests that the decision legalized what in effect had been a thriving abortion trade. That won’t change whether the procedure is legal or not.

I would rather the procedure remain legal, regulated, and open, for the safety of the women.

If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one, or work for better maternity leave and job protections for pregnant women - useful things to make it easier for women to have their babies. Change the Republican employment policies that drive this high abortion rate.

dudette, just don't use tax payer money for your murders. Or close the holes.

Taxpayer dollars aren’t used for abortions. And I’ve never had an abortion. I personally don’t believe in abortion.

You see how that works? Don’t believe in abortion, don’t have an abortion. Leave other people alone. It’s none of your business. It’s not your life, or your family.

 

[sartre play]

It's difficult not to vote based on the one or two things we feel are most important. sadly we turn a blind eye & allow both party's to do pretty much what ever they want with every other thing that effects our life's. winning is all that maters, consideration for other view points not on the table . end result hate anger discord. a loser for all.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Judging by his performance so far, I'd say it's going to depend on whether or not someone can make a solid, Constitution-based argument about it.

And nobody is talking about "throwing women in jail for having one", so spare us all your straw-man arguments.

So how do you stop them from having them if you do not have a punishment?

It will be illegal but nothing will happen to them for having one...then they are not really illegal


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How were they illegal before? Don't recall scads of women in jail for getting abortions, do you?

That is why there was so many still happening.

Why do you not favor jailing women for having them if they are illegal?

Partly because I don't think it would be effective toward the most important goal here, ie. saving the lives of babies.

Partly because I think the vast majority of people are abysmally stupid and easily brainwashed, particularly when they're young.

I'll tell you a story. My husband was engaged prior to meeting me, back when he was in college. They were together for two years, and intended to get married right after they both graduated. His fiancee got pregnant. Neither of them had given a whole lot of deep, philosophical thought to the subject before, and she got all panicked and upset and decided to have an abortion, telling herself all the tripe she'd heard from the college culture around her about "not a baby yet, choice, don't let it ruin your life", etc.

Having the abortion actually DID ruin her life. She couldn't forget about it, couldn't move on, got to the point where she couldn't even bear to be around my husband because it reminded her. She broke off the engagement, dropped out of school . . . I just really don't see criminal prosecution on top of all of that as being at all productive or useful, for the women or for society.

The doctors, on the other hand, know exactly what they're doing. Not a damned one of them is the least bit deluded or brainwashed about it, because every damned greedy, heartless one of them received copious amounts of training about EXACTLY what is involved at every stage of the process. And they don't give a shit, and they're perfectly happy to lie about it to untrained, poorly-educated laymen in order to line their pockets.

I do agree it is not the most productive way to end as many abortions as possible. The best way to do that is to reduce the number of pregnancies.

And for every story like the one about the girl you told, there is one like the young LCpl that worked for me that at the age of 24 had 1 child and two abortions. She unabashedly used abortion as a means of birth control and it didn't phase her in the least.

Going after the doctors is like only going after the hookers and not the johns.

Well, I'm far from saying JUST go after the doctors. I have one of THOSE stories, too.

Back when I was a young secretary, fresh out of clerical school (when we rode our dinosaurs to class), I worked in the front office of the fertility clinic in one of the major hospitals in the city. We had a woman come in for a consultation. She had had four abortions in the past, and NOW had finally gotten married and wanted to have a baby with her new husband. Only problem is, in the words of the doctor, her body had "learned" to spontaneously abort any pregnancy that came along.

So yeah, I'm not saying there aren't some assholes on the other side of the equation. But it really isn't a question of "fair" (which is a word I virtually never have any use for, anyway) or of culpability. It really is just a question of productive and effective. I don't think criminal prosecution of women who have abortions will be productive and effective; I actually think it would be exactly the opposite.

 

[jc456]

and that reason and that reason alone is why roe vs wade ought to be reversed. The courts already contend the baby alive in that scenario. Then it would be alive in any scenario.

The Bible specifically says that if a man harms a woman causing her to miscarry, the man must pay her husband a sum of money for the loss of the child. The Bible does NOT say the man has murdered the child or that he is to be punished for murder.

We are not a theocracy and do not base our laws on the Bronze Age rules of a backwards nomadic tribe.


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I’m posting this to make a point to those using religious and Bibical reasons for opposing abortion.

Realistically, the birth rate did not drop in the years following Roe v Wade which strongly suggests that the decision legalized what in effect had been a thriving abortion trade. That won’t change whether the procedure is legal or not.

I would rather the procedure remain legal, regulated, and open, for the safety of the women.

If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one, or work for better maternity leave and job protections for pregnant women - useful things to make it easier for women to have their babies. Change the Republican employment policies that drive this high abortion rate.

dudette, just don't use tax payer money for your murders. Or close the holes.

Taxpayer dollars aren’t used for abortions. And I’ve never had an abortion. I personally don’t believe in abortion.

You see how that works? Don’t believe in abortion, don’t have an abortion. Leave other people alone. It’s none of your business. It’s not your life, or your family.

you really think we're all stupid don't you. a little known building called planned parenthood. oops.

 

[jc456]

So how do you stop them from having them if you do not have a punishment?

It will be illegal but nothing will happen to them for having one...then they are not really illegal


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How were they illegal before? Don't recall scads of women in jail for getting abortions, do you?

That is why there was so many still happening.

Why do you not favor jailing women for having them if they are illegal?

Partly because I don't think it would be effective toward the most important goal here, ie. saving the lives of babies.

Partly because I think the vast majority of people are abysmally stupid and easily brainwashed, particularly when they're young.

I'll tell you a story. My husband was engaged prior to meeting me, back when he was in college. They were together for two years, and intended to get married right after they both graduated. His fiancee got pregnant. Neither of them had given a whole lot of deep, philosophical thought to the subject before, and she got all panicked and upset and decided to have an abortion, telling herself all the tripe she'd heard from the college culture around her about "not a baby yet, choice, don't let it ruin your life", etc.

Having the abortion actually DID ruin her life. She couldn't forget about it, couldn't move on, got to the point where she couldn't even bear to be around my husband because it reminded her. She broke off the engagement, dropped out of school . . . I just really don't see criminal prosecution on top of all of that as being at all productive or useful, for the women or for society.

The doctors, on the other hand, know exactly what they're doing. Not a damned one of them is the least bit deluded or brainwashed about it, because every damned greedy, heartless one of them received copious amounts of training about EXACTLY what is involved at every stage of the process. And they don't give a shit, and they're perfectly happy to lie about it to untrained, poorly-educated laymen in order to line their pockets.

I do agree it is not the most productive way to end as many abortions as possible. The best way to do that is to reduce the number of pregnancies.

And for every story like the one about the girl you told, there is one like the young LCpl that worked for me that at the age of 24 had 1 child and two abortions. She unabashedly used abortion as a means of birth control and it didn't phase her in the least.

Going after the doctors is like only going after the hookers and not the johns.

Well, I'm far from saying JUST go after the doctors. I have one of THOSE stories, too.

Back when I was a young secretary, fresh out of clerical school (when we rode our dinosaurs to class), I worked in the front office of the fertility clinic in one of the major hospitals in the city. We had a woman come in for a consultation. She had had four abortions in the past, and NOW had finally gotten married and wanted to have a baby with her new husband. Only problem is, in the words of the doctor, her body had "learned" to spontaneously abort any pregnancy that came along.

So yeah, I'm not saying there aren't some assholes on the other side of the equation. But it really isn't a question of "fair" (which is a word I virtually never have any use for, anyway) or of culpability. It really is just a question of productive and effective. I don't think criminal prosecution of women who have abortions will be productive and effective; I actually think it would be exactly the opposite.

then don't fornicate.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Abortion is the hypocrite's crutch, a child dies every few seconds in the world and even in America of preventable healthcare issues and never ever do you hear abortion foes talk of helping the living born conscious human being. It is only this moral outrage over abortion that gets notice for it requires nothing of the moralist except judgment and condemnation of the other. Consider too the misogyny and racism so evident in America during the last President and 2016 election and you must wonder why this love of children does extend into love of all people? How hard it is to to fund help for the needy in America, CHIP was an example, or universal healthcare, and you soon realize abortion like guns is only a wedge issue used to manage the mind of the easily persuaded. Religion, and especially evangelical religion in America has come to be about political power and money, and no longer has anything to do with morality, simply doing good for your neighbor.

"Diarrhoea is a leading killer of children, accounting for 9 per cent of all deaths among children under age 5 worldwide in 2015. This translates to over 1,400 young children dying each day, or about 526,000 children a year, despite the availability of simple effective treatment."

Diarrhoeal Disease - UNICEF DATA

We do abortions here. A nurse's story | Harper's Magazine

Huge difference from a child dying from disease and being murdered in the womb

Since you're such a devout christian you should know it's wrong to lie.

You should also know that your own god and religion says that while it's inside the womb, it's not life.

Your bible says very clearly and plainly, life starts when air is taken through the nose. A fetus inside the womb can't do that. Only a living person outside the womb can do that.

So there's no murder. No death as far as the christian bible is concerned.

Read genesis. It states very clearly when life starts and it's not inside any womb.

I'm sure Sassy will join me in saying thank you so VERY much for your learned and valued theological opinion, Reverend Dana. It's always very helpful to be taken to task on how one practices one's deeply held religious beliefs "incorrectly" by someone who doesn't share them. Your instruction is AT LEAST as meaningful as flying lessons given to a bird by a fish.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Baby killers are losing it, which is a good sign.

Here.....learn something you dimwit.....lol

The sharpest drops in abortion rates in America have been under Democratic presidents

.....and if anyone wonders WHY to the above, is that democratic presidents do NOT make birth control into an evangelical "sin."

I'm not sure if that could have made less sense.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Abortion is the hypocrite's crutch, a child dies every few seconds in the world and even in America of preventable healthcare issues and never ever do you hear abortion foes talk of helping the living born conscious human being. It is only this moral outrage over abortion that gets notice for it requires nothing of the moralist except judgment and condemnation of the other. Consider too the misogyny and racism so evident in America during the last President and 2016 election and you must wonder why this love of children does extend into love of all people? How hard it is to to fund help for the needy in America, CHIP was an example, or universal healthcare, and you soon realize abortion like guns is only a wedge issue used to manage the mind of the easily persuaded. Religion, and especially evangelical religion in America has come to be about political power and money, and no longer has anything to do with morality, simply doing good for your neighbor.

"Diarrhoea is a leading killer of children, accounting for 9 per cent of all deaths among children under age 5 worldwide in 2015. This translates to over 1,400 young children dying each day, or about 526,000 children a year, despite the availability of simple effective treatment."

Diarrhoeal Disease - UNICEF DATA

We do abortions here. A nurse's story | Harper's Magazine

Huge difference from a child dying from disease and being murdered in the womb

Since you're such a devout christian you should know it's wrong to lie.

You should also know that your own god and religion says that while it's inside the womb, it's not life.

Your bible says very clearly and plainly, life starts when air is taken through the nose. A fetus inside the womb can't do that. Only a living person outside the womb can do that.

So there's no murder. No death as far as the christian bible is concerned.

Read genesis. It states very clearly when life starts and it's not inside any womb.

You have your "opinion" and never ever try to dictate me on Christianity.

You're such a Bible fan try Genesis 4: 1, 17, Psalms: 139: 13, 15, Psalms 22: 11-12

It's not my opinion. It's biblical fact.

Genesis 2:7:

But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the LORD God formed man of dustfrom the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man becamea living being.

That is extremely clear when life starts.When air is taken through the nose.

Our laws and science also say that while it's inside the womb, it's either a zygote, embryo or fetus. It doesn't become a baby until it's outside the womb.

No pregnant woman says she has a baby. She says she's going to have a baby. That's because we women know that it's not a baby until it's outside our body.

You can't get a legal birth certificate or death certificate for a fetus. You can't get a social security number for a fetus. You can't get any legal ID for a fetus. You can't register a fetus at any school. A fetus doesn't meet the definition of life either on a scientific, legal or christian level.

No where in our society does our government or science declare that a zygote, embryo or fetus is a baby or living human being.

You can't kill what isn't alive.

Then there's the book of Numbers where your god describes in detail how to perform an abortion.

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

Sermons from non-believing self-appointed Reverends. If there's a bigger waste of oxygen on this planet, it's probably running for Senator on the Democrat ticket next election.

 

[nat4900]

Taxpayer dollars aren’t used for abortions. And I’ve never had an abortion. I personally don’t believe in abortion.

Have any of these dimwits ever heard of the Hyde Amendment?

 

[koshergrl]

He is making good on his promise to defend the lives of the most vulnerable among us..pregnant women and infants. Other presidents have talked the talk, but then appointed SCOTUSes who were not pro-life at all.

"...Trump is continuing his practice of outsourcing his judicial appointments to intensely trustworthy people, under the watchful eye of chief adviser Leonard Leo, executive vice-president of the Federalist Society, who also had a hand in the Roberts and Alito appointments."

"As Edward Whelan, a prominent conservative legal activist and blogger, wrote recently, “No one has been more dedicated to the enterprise of building a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade than the Federalist Society’s Leonard Leo.”

Trump Is the Most Substantively Anti-Abortion President Ever

I'm pro-life. As a matter of principle, I believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned.

However, reversing that decision will have almost no effect on the number of abortions in America.

The people leading you around by the nose have no Plan B.

All this hustle and bustle about judges and Roe v. Wade is theater for the rubes. Just like "repeal and replace".

It would have a huge effect on the number of abortions in America.

And no Plan B is needed because the objective is to remove federal funding from abortion. There is no need for a Plan B. You are being led by the nose, not me.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The fact that the left refers to the international funding of infanticide as "U.S. family planning funds" is ironic but not surprising. Nobody is talking about repealing the S.C. decision of Roe v Wade which relied on a "right to privacy" which did not appear in the Constitution but that's how the left gets their base motivated. All the pro-lifers want is for the federal government to stop funding the abortion industry with taxpayer money.

Abortion is one of the left's Holy Grails. It speaks volumes of their mind set

Defunding any sort of assistance for living breathing children, like food stamps, CHiP, school lunches, and inner city education is the Holy Grail for conservatives. It speaks volumes that they care for children only so long as they don’t require tax dollars to do so. Once money is involved, the kids can die for all they care.

And the Holy Grail for leftists appears to be farming out any responsibility toward your neighbors to the government, so that you can feel virtuous for "caring" without ever having to soil yourself by actually interacting with the grubby peons.

Lecture us some more on how to achieve your faux-morality, Dragon. God knows, we're all just DYING to be lazy, hypocritical, and arrogant like you.