Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion.

[AZGAL]

One of the Hallmarks of Constitutional US law is Freedom of Religion...that being said the present day Apache Stronghold is making a serious case for the USA government to show more Respect for Native American reverence for the sacredness of the Earth...and not to be Christian biased...soon headed to SCOTUS...

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

One of the Hallmarks of Constitutional US law is Freedom of Religion...that being said the present day Apache Stronghold is making a serious case for the USA government to show more Respect for Native American reverence for the sacredness of the Earth...and not to be Christian biased...soon headed to SCOTUS...

The Apache's were among the most violent and brutal people on the North American continent

 

[initforme]

Theocracies cannot last. No way no how.

 

[Leo123]

All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty.

It states very clearly that the nation is not in any was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself.

You would think that this would remove all doubt, but as the short thread on the same subject that was so helpfully closed showed us, there are still plenty of folks who will argue the point.

Tell us, why do you think they would write this if it's not true?


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John Adams also wrote: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Our Constitution Was Made Only for a Moral and Religious People - onlinecoursesblog.hillsdale.edu

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

onlinecoursesblog.hillsdale.edu

 

[AZGAL]

The Apache's were among the most violent and brutal people on the North American continent

Apaches were the last tribe resisting the violent Calvary attacks, apparently you like having Selective Memory about history

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Apaches were the last tribe resisting the violent Calvary attacks, apparently you like having Selective Memory about history

So, "freedom fighters"

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Apaches were the last tribe resisting the violent Calvary attacks, apparently you like having Selective Memory about history

The Injuns were supposedly on this continent the last 20,000 years.

This is all the "civilization" they could muster.

Squirrels build better homes than these proto-humans

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Apache Captives' Ordeal

When Apache warriors swooped down on the defenseless Oatman family in sunbleached Arizona in 1851, the harrowing nightmare was just beginning for Olive Oatman and her little sister Mary Ann.

www.historynet.com

 

[Natural Citizen]

It states very clearly that the nation is not in any was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself.

From the day of the Declaration . . . They [the American people] were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct.

- John Quincy Adams, Secretary of State (Oration celebrating July 4, 1821)

 

[Stryder50]

Theocracies cannot last. No way no how.

Better tell that to Iran and the many other Islamic Jihad efforts to make Islam the one and only global religion.

 

[AZGAL]

The Injuns were supposedly on this continent the last 20,000 years.

This is all the "civilization" they could muster.

Squirrels build better homes than these proto-humans

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You are a stupid idiot racist and you would not survive 5 minutes around Apaches whereas I have lived many years peacefully with Native peoples who are greatly smart and kind. Natives who are not "injuns" behave in a dignified manner much more than whatever humanoid crass crispcreme dummy you are. Unless drunk and I shall send some drunk ones to serenade your ugly buttcreme

 

[Stryder50]

John Adams also wrote: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Our Constitution Was Made Only for a Moral and Religious People - onlinecoursesblog.hillsdale.edu

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

onlinecoursesblog.hillsdale.edu

Clearly it was not the religion of the Aztec (see Reconquista), or Buddha, or Hindu, any of the older pagan/Wicca, and especially not Islam.
Partial Judism in that such was a foundation and start point for Christianity.
Those of the Founders who practiced religion, did so of the Christian flavor so logically that would influence their thinking and principles.

 

[Leo123]

Clearly it was not the religion of the Aztec (see Reconquista), or Buddha, or Hindu, any of the older pagan/Wicca, and especially not Islam.
Partial Judism in that such was a foundation and start point for Christianity.
Those of the Founders who practiced religion, did so of the Christian flavor so logically that would influence their thinking and principles.

Yes, of course. Most people with any kind of logical sense know that America was founded in Judeo/Christian morals and values. What America was NOT founded on is any Church of America. Indeed American citizens can worship as they choose and, most choose Christianity.

 

[AZGAL]

Yes, of course. Most people with any kind of logical sense know that America was founded in Judeo/Christian morals and values. What America was NOT founded on is any Church of America. Indeed American citizens can worship as they choose and, most choose Christianity.

This preference for Christianity is not a requirement for Christianity. The USA protects freedom of religion and as long as you worship peacefully and respect others within and outside of your religion you are good to go. Generally the main theme of a righteous religion is to know a higher power and that is often peaceful.

 

[Leo123]

This preference for Christianity is not a requirement for Christianity. The USA protects freedom of religion and as long as you worship peacefully and respect others within and outside of your religion you are good to go. Generally the main theme of a righteous religion is to know a higher power and that is often peaceful.

What's your point? America was founded on Judeo/Christian morals and values NOT a State Church. That's just the way it is.

 

[MarathonMike]

All the conservative types are always talking about a christian nation and christian values, well it turns out that this isn't and never was a christian nation, at least according to the authors of the Tripoli treaty.

It states very clearly that the nation is not in any was founded on the christian religion in the words of John Adams himself.

You would think that this would remove all doubt, but as the short thread on the same subject that was so helpfully closed showed us, there are still plenty of folks who will argue the point.

Tell us, why do you think they would write this if it's not true?


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You are playing games again because you are an Atheist. Yes the First Amendment allows freedom to practice the religion of your choice including Atheism. But Christianity and Christian principles are clearly part of the Constitution and the origins of the country e.g. "Endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights...." etc.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What's your point? America was founded on Judeo/Christian morals and values

Judeo-Christian values are derived from belief that the God of Abraham has chosen people and nations to be “His” favorites. America was founded on a much more universal idea of GOD not being limited to one desert religion and its “sin and salvation” update laid out in a book supposed to be the Word of God. It’s Natures God’ in the Declaration of Independence who is not the God of Abraham.

 

[Leo123]

Judeo-Christian values are derived from belief that the God of Abraham has chosen people and nations to be “His” favorites. America was founded on a much more universal idea of GOD not being limited to one desert religion and its “sin and salvation” update laid out in a book supposed to be the Word of God. It’s Natures God’ in the Declaration of Independence who is not the God of Abraham.

Nonsense. Morals and values in America are based on an overall all powerful Creator. Basic teachings of how to live and treat others is not a religion but can be based on many religions.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Morals and values in America are based on an overall all powerful Creator.

Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion 230518 {post•39}

NotfooledbyW May’24 Vpiwtt: That is pure wishful thinking and over generalizing on your part compared to a data based study on the topic:

America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz:“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable” dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

Frauds Tucker and Laura distance from T 201130 {post•135} NotfooledbyW Churching of America : Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135

Saint ding’s white Christian nationalism should be done with by this data.

Our first president was a Freemason

Our second president was a Unitarian who did not believe in original sin and that Jesus Christ was the savior for believers to escape the penalty of death for the Saints:

Our third president when he ran for his second term, and one was accused by his opponents of being an atheist, who is going to confiscate their Bibles.

That is why I have confidence that the data that about 20% of the rebellious population were not religious other than lipservice maybe to state religions. religions.nfbw 201130 Vftald00135 to Sachyz00001


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[NotfooledbyW]

Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240513. {post•16}. theHawk May’24 Spiwtt: Thomas Jefferson was a big advocate to leave religion out of the government. John Adams and others believed belief in God was essential for a functioning democracy. thvhvwk 240523 Spiwtt0016


Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240520. {post•40}

NotfooledbyW :


You are a liar Saint Thehawk. You are reiterating a white Christian nationalist common myth about Jefferson. And you are confused about Adams who very much agreed with Jefferson on the critical need to keep Catholic and Priotestant church power to control minds over the masses depriving then of reason by separation of church and state .

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