Proof That The Right Has Truth On Its Side

[Never3ndr]

2013?

To be fair, at least from what I have seen, we only have data up through 2014. So, under the assumption that the data given is reliable, it wouldn't be outdated. However, I have brought up that we are given this data in a vacuum (an article that didn't link to the sources it used for the numbers), and, as such, may not be reliable. Furthermore, I provided a link to reliable data, and it seems to contradict the findings in the article. I'll repost my source data here:

Real Median Household Income in the United States

The Obama Economic Hit-Parade!


1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%


4. When Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08. Since then, it has increased $7,514,567,086,650.22--which is $65,443 per household, $70,985 per full-time worker and $84,266 per full-time private-sector worker. Under Obama: Federal Debt Up $84,266 Per Full-Time Private-Sector Worker

5. (CNSNews.com) - The federal government drove $789,473,350,613.20 deeper into debt in calendar year 2014, an increase that equaled $6,875 per household, $7,458 per full-time year-round worker, and $8,853 per full-time year-round private-sector worker. According tothe Treasury, the debt started calendar year 2014 at $17,351,970,784,950.10 and ended it at $18,141,444,135,563.30. Under Obama: Federal Debt Up $84,266 Per Full-Time Private-Sector Worker

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%


7. Debt held by the public is up 89%


However, the Obama administrationrecently projected an annual deficit of $750 billion in the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, and $626 billion the year after. At that rate, the debt owed to the public will more than double during the Obama presidency.

As of 2012, according to the most recent figures reported by the Census Bureau, median (midpoint) income for all U.S. households was $51,017, which was 4.9 percent lower (in inflation-adjusted dollars) than it was in 2008, the year before Obama took office.

The same story applies to family income, which includes many families with two earners. (The “household” figure includes single persons living alone, as well as families.) Median family income in 2012 was $62,241, or 5.1 percent below the inflation-adjusted 2008 level.

The number of persons living in poverty also worsened again in 2012, according to the most recent Census figures.


8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.

Obama’s Numbers, October Update


9...in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery.Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun


10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama

Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama


11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun



12. "CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made


Federal deficits have soared between 2009 and 2012, bring the total long-term debt to a level equal to 73 percent of the nation’s GDP. “Between 2009 and 2012, the federal government recorded the largest budget deficits relative to the size of the economy since 1946, causing federal debt to soar.”

CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made


13. "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted)median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.

Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession

14. "(CNSNews.com) - The real median income of American women dropped a little more than four percent in the first three full years after the end of the last recession,..... Census Bureau income data, the median income of American women was $21,520 in constant 2012 dollars. That was down $914 dollars—or about 4.1 percent—from 2009." Median Income of Women Dropped 4%--In First 3 Years of Recovery


15. "US economy slowed to 0.1 percent growth rate in Q1

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economy slowed drastically in the first three months of the year...to a barely discernible 0.1 percent annual rate in the January-March quarter, the Commerce Department said Wednesday. That was the weakest pace since the end of 2012 and was down from a 2.6 percent rate in the previous quarter.... the anemic growth last quarter is surely a topic for discussion at the Federal Reserve's latest policy meeting,..."

MyWay


16. "More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force
The unemployment rate dropped to 6.3 percent in April from 6.7 percent in March, the lowest it has been since September 2008 when it was 6.1 percent. The sharp drop, though, occurred because the number of people working or seeking work fell. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not count people not looking for a job as unemployed.

The bureau noted that the civilian labor force dropped by 806,000 last month, following an increase of 503,000 in March."

Report: More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force

The amount (not seasonally adjusted) of Americans not in thelabor force in April rose to 92,594,000, almost 1 million more than the previous month.


17. "The U.S. economy contractedat a much steeper pace than previously estimated in the firstquarter, but there are indications that growth has sincerebounded strongly.

The Commerce Department said on Wednesday gross domesticproduct fell at a 2.9 percent annual rate, the economy's worstperformance in five years, instead of the 1.0 percent pace ithad reported last month." Shrink wrapped: US economy contracted sharply in Q1

18. (CNSNews.com) - The number of Americans 16 and older who did not participate in the labor force climbed to a record high of 92,120,000 in June, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)..... the labor force participation rate for Americans was 62.8 percent, matching a 36-year low. Record Number of Americans Not in Labor Force in June

19. (CNSNews.com)– The unemployment rate for black Americans is more than double that of white Americans, according to the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).... In the numbers released today, covering the month of June, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for black Americans age 16 and over was 10.7%, reported the BLS. The unemployment rate for white Americans in the same age group and time-frame was 5.3%, said the BLS. Black Unemployment 10.7%, More Than Double White Unemployment 5.3%

20. (CNSNews.com) - 11.4 million Americans age 16 and over have left the workforce since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to data released today from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
In July 2014, there were 92,001,000 Americans, 16 and over, who were classified as “not in the labor force,” meaning they not only did not have a job, but they didn’t actively seek one in the last four weeks

11,472,000 Americans Have Left Workforce Since Obama Took Office

21. "The 35.4 Percent: 109,631,000 on Welfare
109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded "means-tested programs" — also known as welfare — as of the fourth quarter of 2012,according to data released Tuesdayby the Census Bureau. When those receiving benefits from non-means-tested federal programs — such as Social Security, Medicare, unemployment and veterans benefits — were added to those taking welfare benefits, it turned out that 153,323,000 people were getting federal benefits of some type at the end of 2012.

Subtract the 3,297,000 who were receiving veterans' benefits from the total, and that leaves 150,026,000 people receiving non-veterans' benefits."

The 35.4 Percent: 109,631,000 on Welfare

22. "(CNSNews.com)-- In June 2014, there were 46,496,145 recipients of the food stamp program, which is enough to fill the Yankee Stadium 925 times, according todata fromthe Department of Agriculture " 46,496,145: Food Stamp Recipients Can Fill Yankee Stadium 925 Times

23. In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls“an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton." Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart

24. "Disability insurance entitlement explodes under Obama
Those of you paying attention have noticed that the Obama administration is actually doing what it promised: transforming America into a gigantic welfare state." Disability insurance entitlement explodes under Obama

25. Washington, D.C.- An unabated influx of illegal aliens along the southern border of the United States is causing a health crisis in the border region. Actions by the Obama Administration to disperse illegals across America while providing an incentive for more illegals to come could lead to a nationwide health crisis that is likely to manifest itself first within our public schools.....It has spread as far north as southern Mexico and south into Panama. Diseases such as this could be carried across our border by illegal immigrants and could create a nationwide health crisis. Chicken pox, measles, mumps and tuberculosis are already causing problems." — Project 21 member Michael Dozier, Ph.D., an expert in homeland security issues and talk radio host who has worked with humanitarian aid missions in Africa, Asia, the Balkans and the United States

Public Schools Face Health Threat from Illegal Aliens


26. "Despite the improving economy, most Americans continue to say that they are falling behind the cost of living. Overall, 55% said in theJan. 7-11 surveythat their family’s income is falling behind the cost of living,.... Views on this question have shown no improvement over the course of the last year..." Public opinion on the economy and Obama’s handling of it


27. "But with February’s slow down the 12-month wage growth rate ticked down to 2%....[Under Reagan: 'In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years.Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures ] Totalemployment gains in December and January were therefore 18,000 lower than what BLS previously reported. The labor force participation rate ticked lower to 62.8% from 62.9%, ..." Jobs Report: U.S. Economy Added 295,000 Jobs In February, Unemployment Down To 5.5%

a. "But wage gains continued to lag, rising only 0.1 percent in February for private-sector workers after a reported 0.5 increase in January.... .“We hear we’re on the road to recovery, but people aren’t convinced of that.”http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment-february.html?_r=0

b. "White youths saw their rate decrease 1.4 percent to 15 percent, but young African-Americans saw theirs reach 30 percent, a 0.3 percent increase.... For the population as a whole, participation rates are still hovering around their 1978 lows at 62.8 percent,..." Unemployment Down To 5.5 Percent In February

c. "92,898,000 Americans were not in the labor force in February, according todatareleased from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on Friday. ...The 157,002,000 who participated in the labor force was 62.8 percent of the 249,899,000 civilian noninsttutional population, which matches the 62.8 percent rate in April, May, June, and October of 2014 as well as the participation rate in March of 1978. The participation rate hit its lowest level since February 1978 (62.7 percent) in September and December of 2014. 62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year-Low for 11 Months

(CNSNews.com) - A record 56,023,000 women, age 16 years and over, were not in the labor force in February.,,, According to the BLS, 56.7 percent of women were participating in the labor force in February, a drop from 56.8 percent in January. 56,023,000: Record Number of Women Not in Labor Force

28. "Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing
It's not only the just-released University of Michigan consumer confidence report and February retail sales on Thursday that surprised economists and investors with another dose of underwhelming news. Overall, U.S. economic data have been falling short of prognosticators' expectations by the most in six years." Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing

29. "More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up
'Business deaths now exceed business births for the first time' in decades.
The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of anew study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.

Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011." More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

30. Americans Not in Labor Force Exceed 93 Million for First Time; 62.7% Labor Force Participation Matches 37-Year Low
Americans Not in Labor Force Exceed 93 Million for First Time; 62.7% Labor Force Participation Matches 37-Year Low

31. Except for rich, Americans' incomes fell last year
In fresh data that adds fire to a growing debate over income inequality, the department said that Americans on average saw income decline for the second straight year in the 12 months to June 2014.

The average pre-tax income fell 0.9 percent from the same period a year earlier, to $64,432. Except for rich, Americans' incomes fell last year

32. "The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment
The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, is extremely misleading.

Right now, we're hearing much celebrating from the media, the White House and Wall Street about how unemployment is "down" to 5.6%. The cheerleading for this number is deafening. The media loves a comeback story, the White House wants to score political points and Wall Street would like you to stay in the market.

While you are as unemployed as one can possibly be, and tragically may never find work again, you arenotcounted in the figure we see relentlessly in the news -- currently 5.6%. Right now, as many as 30 million Americans are either out of work or severely underemployed. Trust me, the vast majority of them aren't throwing parties to toast "falling" unemployment.

Right now, the U.S. is delivering at a staggeringlylow rate of 44%, which is the number of full-time jobs as a percent of the adult population,..." The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment

a. "....the number of Americans not in the labor force rose once again, this time to 93,194K from 93,175K, with the result being a participation rate of 69.45 or just above the lowest percentage since 1977, will merely catalyze even more upside to the so called "market" which continues to reflect nothing but central bank liquidity, and thus - the accelerating deterioration of the broader economy." Americans Not In The Labor Force Rise To Record 93,194,000 | Zero Hedge

33. "Even if you leave out the first quarter of 2009—when the recession that started in December 2007 was still ongoing--President Barack Obama has presided over the lowest average first-quarter GDP growth of any president who has served since 1947, which is the earliest year for which the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated quarterly GDP growth. " http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/terence...-obama-has-lowest-average-1stq-gdp-growth-any

34. After 6 1/2 years of Obama, 47% of Americans could not handle a $400 expense:

"The survey results reveal a lack of economic preparedness among many adults. Only 53 percent of respondents indicate that they could cover a hypothetical emergency expense costing $400 without selling something or borrowing money. Thirty-one percent of respondents report going without some form of medical care in the past year because they could not afford it." http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20150527a.htm


35. "The share of North America in the global high-income population decreased from 54% in 2001 to 46% in 2011,.... several countries in Western Europe had higher shares of high-income populations than the U.S. in 2011...the U.S. had the unfortunate distinction of slipping backwards as the share of its high-income population decreased from 58% in 2001 to 56% in 2011....The proportion of Americans who are upper-middle income barely moved from 31% in 2001 to 32% in 2011, and the share that is high income actually fell, as noted, from 58% to 56%....The median annual household income in the U.S. fell from $53,646 in 2001 to $50,054 in 2011 (U.S. Census Bureau)..... Unlike in the U.S., Canadian residents progressed from upper-middle income to the high-income standard of living...."http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/07/08...e-class-status-remains-out-of-reach-for-many/

36. The Obama Administration is aggressively exploiting regulation to achieve its policy agenda, issuing 157 new major rules at a cost to Americans approaching $73 billion annually....twice the annual average of his predecessor George W. Bush.And much more regulation is on the way, with another 125 major rules on the Administration’s to-do list, including dozens linked to the Dodd–Frank financial regulation law and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/03/red-tape-rising-five-years-of-regulatory-expansion

37. The number of people not in the labor force reached another record high in July, according to new jobs data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
TheBLS reportsthat 93,770,000 people (16 and older) were neither employed last month nor had made specific efforts to find work in the prior four weeks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/07/record-93770000-americans-not-in-labor-force/

.... a 38-year low, the Labor Department reported on Friday.... -- The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little changed at 2,180,000 in July (up from 2,121,000 in June). These individuals accounted for 26.9 percent of the unemployed. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sus...not-labor-force-participation-rate-matches-38

According to the BLS,56,209,000 women aged 16 and older were not participating in the workforce in July, besting April’srecordof 56,167,000 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/07/record-56209000-women-not-in-labor-force/


38. Average unemployment rate under Bush: 5.31

Average unemployment rate under Obama: 8.46 http://historyinpieces.com/research/us-unemployment-rates-president (thru 2014)

39. "(CNSNews.com) - A record 94,031,000 Americans were not in the American labor force last month -- 261,000 more than July ---- The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) held at 2.2 million in August and accounted for 27.7 percent of the unemployed..." http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sus...-labor-force-participation-rate-stuck-38-year

40. "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.

The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.

“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0

41. "....US hourly wages have not only not increased for the past 7 years, but for thevast majority of the labor force continue to decline,....just the month of August will be enough to provide the Trump - and every other - campaign with enough soundbites and pivot points to last it for weeks on end: namely, that in August a whopping 698,000 native-born Americans lost their job. This drop was offset by 204,000 foreign-born Americans, who got a job in the month of August. .... since December 2007, according to the Household Survey,only 790,000 native born Americanjobs have been added. Contrast that withthe 2.1 million foreign-born Americanswho have found a job over the same time period..." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ob-august-why-suddenly-most-important-jobs-ch

42. October 2015: "Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...september-zero-wage-growth-august-revised-muc

43. "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of theoriginal $2 billion appropriated in 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.

...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/04/obamacare-co-op-mess-causes-1-3-billion-in-losses/#ixzz3qilfNWEW

44. "Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving
This is a new record, beating the previous high of 136 set by President Obama this spring."
Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving


45. "...ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gracema...ce-again-because-of-obamacare-co-op-failures/


46. "The U.S. expanded at a 2.2% rate through the first nine months of the year, and the economy is projected to grow at a similar pace in the fourth quarter that ends on Dec. 31. If so, the economy will have failed to reach 3% growth for the 10th straight year, marking the slowest stretch since the end of World War II.

Historically the economy has expanded at a 3.3% rate." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/third-quarter-gdp-growth-trimmed-to-2-2015-12-22

47. "Congress has now cleared the way for federal debt to pass$20 trillionby the end of the president’s second term. President Obama said the new budget deal will be paid for in a “balanced” and “responsible” way, but on the day the deal was signed, the federal debt jumped $339 billion—a third of a trillion dollars in one day." https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/13317.24.180.0/economy/societywatch?preview

48. The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2015 is 0.8 percent on January 8, down from 1.0 percent on January 6. The forecast for the contribution of inventory investment to fourth-quarter real GDP growth declined 0.2 percentage points to -0.8 percentage points after this morning's wholesale trade report from the U.S. Census Bureau. https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow.aspx?panel=1

49. "Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009 Sales at U.S. retailers declined in December to wrap the weakest year since 2009, raising concern about the momentum in consumer spending heading into 2016. The 0.1 percent drop matched the median forecast of 84 economists surveyed by Bloomberg and followed a 0.4 percent gain in November, Commerce Department figures showed Friday in Washington. For all of 2015, purchases climbed 2.1 percent, the smallest advance of the current economic expansion." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-u-s-decrease-to-end-weakest-year-since-2009

50. " The federal government heavily subsidizes higher education through a complex system of grants and loans. While the programs are great for colleges — they haveenabledan astronomical increase in tuition — they contain few measures holding the institutions accountable to their students. As a result, only59 percentof students graduate from four-year colleges and universities within six years. Those lucky enough to graduate face another hurdle:44 percentof recent college graduates occupy jobs which do not require a college degree. Taken together, these numbers suggest that only one-third of college enrollees emerge from the system with both a degree and a relevant job." http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/what-free-college-cant-fix/?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRokuq/JZKXonjHpfsX57OkvWaW+lMI/0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4ARcNkI+SLDwEYGJlv6SgFQ7HBMbhr1rgPWhk=

51."U.S. Economy Grew Anemic 0.7% in Fourth Quarter
Gross domestic product, a broad measure of economic output,expanded at a 0.7% seasonally adjusted annualized ratein the fourth quarter, the Commerce Department said Friday. The economy had advanced 2% in the third quarter and 3.9% in the second quarter."
U.S. Economy Grew Anemic 0.7% in Fourth Quarter

52. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "...annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/with-gdp-downgrade-obama-growth-gap-expands/

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/obama-always-wrong-never-in-doubt.php

b. "....first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth." http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/09/investing/hedge-fund-billionaire-defends-obama-chanos/


53. According to the2016 Index of Economic Freedom, an annual publication by The Heritage Foundation, America’s economic freedom has tumbled. With losses of economic freedom in eight of the past nine years, the U.S. has tied its worst score ever, wiping out a decade of progress. Since early2009:

· Government spending has exploded, amounting to $29,867 per household in 2015.

· The national debt has risen to $125,000 for every tax filing household in America—a total over $18 trillion.

· The government takeover of health care is raising prices and disrupting markets.

· Bailouts and new government regulations have increased uncertainty, stifling investment and job creation. http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/31/americas-economic-freedom-has-rapidly-declined-under-obama/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRovvKXPZKXonjHpfsX57eQrUKW0lMI/0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4ASMpgMa+TFAwTG5toziV8R7jHKM1t0sEQWBHm

54. "Despite the unemployment rate being at an eight-year low (4.9 percent as of January 2016), the number of people on food stampsremains near an all-time highwhich was 47,636,000 in 2013.

Why the disparity in the numbers? Well, the unemployment rate does not take into account people who are not in, or have dropped out of, the workforce altogether.

The Bureau of Labor Statisticsreportedin January of this year that approximately 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce.

We now have a country based on government dependence." http://www.mrctv.org/blog/despite-low-unemployment-rate-food-stamp-users-remains-near-all-time-high

55. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." https://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive...-neighborhoods-study-130930393--business.html


56. "Employers added more workers in February than projected but wages unexpectedly declined, dashing hopes that reduced slack in the labor market was starting to benefit all Americans..... Average hourly earnings dropped by 0.1 percent from the prior month, the first decline since December 2014 the Labor Department’s figures showed. Worker pay increased 2.2 percent over the 12 months ended in February, less than the 2.5 percent forecast in the Bloomberg survey. Wage growth has been hovering just above 2 percent year-over-year on average since the current expansion began in mid-2009." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-surge-while-wages-drop-in-mixed-jobs-report

57. New Obama regulation will deprive middle class investors of access to financial information. "...the controversial pending Department of Labor regulation that would impose new restrictions on a vast swath of financial professionals... a newreportfor the Competitive Enterprise Institute, similar restrictions in Great Britain have caused a “guidance gap” in which brokers have largely stopped serving customers with assets less than £150,000 ($240,000).... Such limits on financial discussion may seem to violate the First Amendment..." http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnber...l-broadcasters-like-dave-ramsey/#2962753ee696


Excellent link showing the economy http://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/us/

You keep googling articles that agree with you rather than providing source data. I've pointed out previously that you need to provide source data and then digest said data into a logical argument and step us through that argument. We are looking for independent thought based upon reliable statistics, not how many google searches you do for unconfirmed sources that agree with your opinion.

As for broad sweeping strokes on the counter points you have copy-and-pasted:

I'm ignoring anything you provided unless linked to a reliable source that provides accurate citations.

On debt, I agree that debt has increased under Obama and has gotten out of hand. Fortunately, nobody with a background in economics has ever judged how well the economy is doing based off of their debt. If this were the case then we would have been in a recession since like 1980.

On the labor force, it is debatable whether or not this is a worrying trend. The issue here is that many individuals not in the labor force are simply individuals that are retiring. We have an aging population, and one of the biggest generations, the baby boomers, are reaching that retirement age and dropping out of the workforce. Now, given that understanding, if we control for the baby boomers dropping out of the work force and then investigate the numbers, then, if we still find that many individuals are not in the work force that maybe should, then that, undoubtedly, would be a point of worry for us. However, at least from what I can see (I've only skimmed what you copy-pasted) I don't see any reliable data investigating that. However, I'd be really interested if you could find something on that since, for sure, that is something I haven't investigated myself but is a serious point I think warrants investigation.

On income inequality / racial divides in income. I agree that these are issues. Now, I'm not sure whether or not they have been conflated by Obama's presidency in comparison to Bush's presidency (the last republican president), however, I certainly agree that the growing divide in income inequality and racial differences in income are worrying for our future economic growth. This is why we really need to press home actions that decrease these gaps, such as increasing minimum wage, or providing more affordable education. I'm glad to see that you are wary of these issues and want to see increasing minimum wages and better availability of education for the masses as well.

On businesses shutting down rather than starting up, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the business environment is increasing leaning more towards big business companies, conglomerates, etc. If a Wal-Mart moves into a neighborhood it may put 3-4 mom and pop shops out of business. Is that a bad thing? I would argue that it isn't. However, that point is debatable, so if you want to discuss it further, please elaborate on why it is better to have many smaller businesses rather than some larger "umbrella" corporations.

Perhaps I am unaware, but you posted several articles about 1st quarter growth rather than addressing annual growth (or decline) or considering his overall years. Why? Is there something about 1st quarter growth that is more important than the annual numbers? It appears that you are just looking for quarters that declined and posting them, however, I'll allow that maybe there is something about quarter growth rates that I don't know about. Please enlighten us on why you feel that posting specific quarter data is more important than the overall picture.

One link you posted that, I believe, may deserve some further investigation:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/07/record-56209000-women-not-in-labor-force/

Now, taken in a vacuum this actually doesn't mean anything. Here, I ask you to digest the numbers (the article links to the BLS, which is solid source data). Please provide us with a brief analysis of the percentage of women (based off of the population of the US during that year) not in the workforce. For comparison's sake I would say that an annual analysis stretching back to 2000 or 2004 (before the recession, during Bush's years) would do. Please digest the data for us, display it in an easy to read format, and formulate your conclusion based upon your data analysis (remember it is your point to make so you need to do the work, not me). I think that, potentially, this could indicate a worrying trend that warrants some attention.

I don't think that many people can argue that Obamacare has not worked. I, for one, certainly believe it to have failed. Given the rising health care costs the only reasonable thing to do would be to abolish all private health care and blanket the country under one health care plan. It is the best way to control the spiraling costs of pharmaceuticals as well as, hopefully, put patient care BACK into the hands of the doctors and OUT of the hands of the insurance companies (if you have had any medical care done, or know anything about the medical field, you know that what treatment you get is dictated more by your insurance than it is by what your doctor recommends).

If you know anything about economics you know that the larger an economy is, the harder it is for it to grow (which is why we see outrageous growth rates from some second world countries like China). A slowed growth in the economy is expected both with that basic economic understanding coupled with the fact that we are in a recovery period rather than one of prosperity.

I'm actually a huge fan of the index of economic freedom. I'm glad you posted it..however, I'm disappointed that you didn't actually look at it. You do realize we are ranked 11th out of the 178 countries right?

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Overall, I applaud that you did actually link to some good sources (even though most were worthless, at least by luck or by action you did hit on some). I have explained my counter positions. As it stands, however, the better indicators of economic growth, real GDP, and real median household income, indicate that we are doing fine under Obama's presidency. The points your brought up that I agree with, income inequality and Obamacare, are both worrying but aren't, by themselves, strong enough to indicate that we have a bad economy. You would need to show how real GDP and real median household income has either declined or how other indicators which show decline are better to use for judging his economic Presidency. Because, as it stands, he did just fine.

TL;DR

I agree income inequality is worrying, and grew during Obama's years. I agree that Obamacare is a failure. All your other points you need to further explain or relate as to actually why they may be relevant. None of your points directly counter the evidence I provided or show that they are stronger indications of how "bad" the economy performed under his presidency.

Again, I'd simply request you give us source data, and use your own brain to come up with an original interpretation of the data. You seem to really love googling for whatever happens to agree with you. That is not the best way to increase your knowledge base.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2013?

To be fair, at least from what I have seen, we only have data up through 2014. So, under the assumption that the data given is reliable, it wouldn't be outdated. However, I have brought up that we are given this data in a vacuum (an article that didn't link to the sources it used for the numbers), and, as such, may not be reliable. Furthermore, I provided a link to reliable data, and it seems to contradict the findings in the article. I'll repost my source data here:

Real Median Household Income in the United States

The Obama Economic Hit-Parade!


1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%


4. When Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08. Since then, it has increased $7,514,567,086,650.22--which is $65,443 per household, $70,985 per full-time worker and $84,266 per full-time private-sector worker. Under Obama: Federal Debt Up $84,266 Per Full-Time Private-Sector Worker

5. (CNSNews.com) - The federal government drove $789,473,350,613.20 deeper into debt in calendar year 2014, an increase that equaled $6,875 per household, $7,458 per full-time year-round worker, and $8,853 per full-time year-round private-sector worker. According tothe Treasury, the debt started calendar year 2014 at $17,351,970,784,950.10 and ended it at $18,141,444,135,563.30. Under Obama: Federal Debt Up $84,266 Per Full-Time Private-Sector Worker

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%


7. Debt held by the public is up 89%


However, the Obama administrationrecently projected an annual deficit of $750 billion in the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, and $626 billion the year after. At that rate, the debt owed to the public will more than double during the Obama presidency.

As of 2012, according to the most recent figures reported by the Census Bureau, median (midpoint) income for all U.S. households was $51,017, which was 4.9 percent lower (in inflation-adjusted dollars) than it was in 2008, the year before Obama took office.

The same story applies to family income, which includes many families with two earners. (The “household” figure includes single persons living alone, as well as families.) Median family income in 2012 was $62,241, or 5.1 percent below the inflation-adjusted 2008 level.

The number of persons living in poverty also worsened again in 2012, according to the most recent Census figures.


8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.

Obama’s Numbers, October Update


9...in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery.Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun


10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama

Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama


11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun



12. "CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made


Federal deficits have soared between 2009 and 2012, bring the total long-term debt to a level equal to 73 percent of the nation’s GDP. “Between 2009 and 2012, the federal government recorded the largest budget deficits relative to the size of the economy since 1946, causing federal debt to soar.”

CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made


13. "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted)median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.

Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession

14. "(CNSNews.com) - The real median income of American women dropped a little more than four percent in the first three full years after the end of the last recession,..... Census Bureau income data, the median income of American women was $21,520 in constant 2012 dollars. That was down $914 dollars—or about 4.1 percent—from 2009." Median Income of Women Dropped 4%--In First 3 Years of Recovery


15. "US economy slowed to 0.1 percent growth rate in Q1

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economy slowed drastically in the first three months of the year...to a barely discernible 0.1 percent annual rate in the January-March quarter, the Commerce Department said Wednesday. That was the weakest pace since the end of 2012 and was down from a 2.6 percent rate in the previous quarter.... the anemic growth last quarter is surely a topic for discussion at the Federal Reserve's latest policy meeting,..."

MyWay


16. "More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force
The unemployment rate dropped to 6.3 percent in April from 6.7 percent in March, the lowest it has been since September 2008 when it was 6.1 percent. The sharp drop, though, occurred because the number of people working or seeking work fell. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not count people not looking for a job as unemployed.

The bureau noted that the civilian labor force dropped by 806,000 last month, following an increase of 503,000 in March."

Report: More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force

The amount (not seasonally adjusted) of Americans not in thelabor force in April rose to 92,594,000, almost 1 million more than the previous month.


17. "The U.S. economy contractedat a much steeper pace than previously estimated in the firstquarter, but there are indications that growth has sincerebounded strongly.

The Commerce Department said on Wednesday gross domesticproduct fell at a 2.9 percent annual rate, the economy's worstperformance in five years, instead of the 1.0 percent pace ithad reported last month." Shrink wrapped: US economy contracted sharply in Q1

18. (CNSNews.com) - The number of Americans 16 and older who did not participate in the labor force climbed to a record high of 92,120,000 in June, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)..... the labor force participation rate for Americans was 62.8 percent, matching a 36-year low. Record Number of Americans Not in Labor Force in June

19. (CNSNews.com)– The unemployment rate for black Americans is more than double that of white Americans, according to the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).... In the numbers released today, covering the month of June, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for black Americans age 16 and over was 10.7%, reported the BLS. The unemployment rate for white Americans in the same age group and time-frame was 5.3%, said the BLS. Black Unemployment 10.7%, More Than Double White Unemployment 5.3%

20. (CNSNews.com) - 11.4 million Americans age 16 and over have left the workforce since President Obama took office in January 2009, according to data released today from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
In July 2014, there were 92,001,000 Americans, 16 and over, who were classified as “not in the labor force,” meaning they not only did not have a job, but they didn’t actively seek one in the last four weeks

11,472,000 Americans Have Left Workforce Since Obama Took Office

21. "The 35.4 Percent: 109,631,000 on Welfare
109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded "means-tested programs" — also known as welfare — as of the fourth quarter of 2012,according to data released Tuesdayby the Census Bureau. When those receiving benefits from non-means-tested federal programs — such as Social Security, Medicare, unemployment and veterans benefits — were added to those taking welfare benefits, it turned out that 153,323,000 people were getting federal benefits of some type at the end of 2012.

Subtract the 3,297,000 who were receiving veterans' benefits from the total, and that leaves 150,026,000 people receiving non-veterans' benefits."

The 35.4 Percent: 109,631,000 on Welfare

22. "(CNSNews.com)-- In June 2014, there were 46,496,145 recipients of the food stamp program, which is enough to fill the Yankee Stadium 925 times, according todata fromthe Department of Agriculture " 46,496,145: Food Stamp Recipients Can Fill Yankee Stadium 925 Times

23. In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls“an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton." Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart

24. "Disability insurance entitlement explodes under Obama
Those of you paying attention have noticed that the Obama administration is actually doing what it promised: transforming America into a gigantic welfare state." Disability insurance entitlement explodes under Obama

25. Washington, D.C.- An unabated influx of illegal aliens along the southern border of the United States is causing a health crisis in the border region. Actions by the Obama Administration to disperse illegals across America while providing an incentive for more illegals to come could lead to a nationwide health crisis that is likely to manifest itself first within our public schools.....It has spread as far north as southern Mexico and south into Panama. Diseases such as this could be carried across our border by illegal immigrants and could create a nationwide health crisis. Chicken pox, measles, mumps and tuberculosis are already causing problems." — Project 21 member Michael Dozier, Ph.D., an expert in homeland security issues and talk radio host who has worked with humanitarian aid missions in Africa, Asia, the Balkans and the United States

Public Schools Face Health Threat from Illegal Aliens


26. "Despite the improving economy, most Americans continue to say that they are falling behind the cost of living. Overall, 55% said in theJan. 7-11 surveythat their family’s income is falling behind the cost of living,.... Views on this question have shown no improvement over the course of the last year..." Public opinion on the economy and Obama’s handling of it


27. "But with February’s slow down the 12-month wage growth rate ticked down to 2%....[Under Reagan: 'In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years.Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures ] Totalemployment gains in December and January were therefore 18,000 lower than what BLS previously reported. The labor force participation rate ticked lower to 62.8% from 62.9%, ..." Jobs Report: U.S. Economy Added 295,000 Jobs In February, Unemployment Down To 5.5%

a. "But wage gains continued to lag, rising only 0.1 percent in February for private-sector workers after a reported 0.5 increase in January.... .“We hear we’re on the road to recovery, but people aren’t convinced of that.”http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment-february.html?_r=0

b. "White youths saw their rate decrease 1.4 percent to 15 percent, but young African-Americans saw theirs reach 30 percent, a 0.3 percent increase.... For the population as a whole, participation rates are still hovering around their 1978 lows at 62.8 percent,..." Unemployment Down To 5.5 Percent In February

c. "92,898,000 Americans were not in the labor force in February, according todatareleased from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on Friday. ...The 157,002,000 who participated in the labor force was 62.8 percent of the 249,899,000 civilian noninsttutional population, which matches the 62.8 percent rate in April, May, June, and October of 2014 as well as the participation rate in March of 1978. The participation rate hit its lowest level since February 1978 (62.7 percent) in September and December of 2014. 62.8%: Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year-Low for 11 Months

(CNSNews.com) - A record 56,023,000 women, age 16 years and over, were not in the labor force in February.,,, According to the BLS, 56.7 percent of women were participating in the labor force in February, a drop from 56.8 percent in January. 56,023,000: Record Number of Women Not in Labor Force

28. "Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing
It's not only the just-released University of Michigan consumer confidence report and February retail sales on Thursday that surprised economists and investors with another dose of underwhelming news. Overall, U.S. economic data have been falling short of prognosticators' expectations by the most in six years." Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing

29. "More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up
'Business deaths now exceed business births for the first time' in decades.
The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of anew study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.

Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011." More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up

30. Americans Not in Labor Force Exceed 93 Million for First Time; 62.7% Labor Force Participation Matches 37-Year Low
Americans Not in Labor Force Exceed 93 Million for First Time; 62.7% Labor Force Participation Matches 37-Year Low

31. Except for rich, Americans' incomes fell last year
In fresh data that adds fire to a growing debate over income inequality, the department said that Americans on average saw income decline for the second straight year in the 12 months to June 2014.

The average pre-tax income fell 0.9 percent from the same period a year earlier, to $64,432. Except for rich, Americans' incomes fell last year

32. "The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment
The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, is extremely misleading.

Right now, we're hearing much celebrating from the media, the White House and Wall Street about how unemployment is "down" to 5.6%. The cheerleading for this number is deafening. The media loves a comeback story, the White House wants to score political points and Wall Street would like you to stay in the market.

While you are as unemployed as one can possibly be, and tragically may never find work again, you arenotcounted in the figure we see relentlessly in the news -- currently 5.6%. Right now, as many as 30 million Americans are either out of work or severely underemployed. Trust me, the vast majority of them aren't throwing parties to toast "falling" unemployment.

Right now, the U.S. is delivering at a staggeringlylow rate of 44%, which is the number of full-time jobs as a percent of the adult population,..." The Big Lie: 5.6% Unemployment

a. "....the number of Americans not in the labor force rose once again, this time to 93,194K from 93,175K, with the result being a participation rate of 69.45 or just above the lowest percentage since 1977, will merely catalyze even more upside to the so called "market" which continues to reflect nothing but central bank liquidity, and thus - the accelerating deterioration of the broader economy." Americans Not In The Labor Force Rise To Record 93,194,000 | Zero Hedge

33. "Even if you leave out the first quarter of 2009—when the recession that started in December 2007 was still ongoing--President Barack Obama has presided over the lowest average first-quarter GDP growth of any president who has served since 1947, which is the earliest year for which the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated quarterly GDP growth. " Blame It on Global Cooling? Obama Has Lowest Average 1stQ GDP Growth of Any President on Record

34. After 6 1/2 years of Obama, 47% of Americans could not handle a $400 expense:

"The survey results reveal a lack of economic preparedness among many adults. Only 53 percent of respondents indicate that they could cover a hypothetical emergency expense costing $400 without selling something or borrowing money. Thirty-one percent of respondents report going without some form of medical care in the past year because they could not afford it." FRB: Press Release--Federal Reserve Board issues Report on the Economic Well-Being of U.S. Households--May 27, 2015


35. "The share of North America in the global high-income population decreased from 54% in 2001 to 46% in 2011,.... several countries in Western Europe had higher shares of high-income populations than the U.S. in 2011...the U.S. had the unfortunate distinction of slipping backwards as the share of its high-income population decreased from 58% in 2001 to 56% in 2011....The proportion of Americans who are upper-middle income barely moved from 31% in 2001 to 32% in 2011, and the share that is high income actually fell, as noted, from 58% to 56%....The median annual household income in the U.S. fell from $53,646 in 2001 to $50,054 in 2011 (U.S. Census Bureau)..... Unlike in the U.S., Canadian residents progressed from upper-middle income to the high-income standard of living...."Despite Poverty’s Plunge, Middle-Class Status Remains Out of Reach for Many

36. The Obama Administration is aggressively exploiting regulation to achieve its policy agenda, issuing 157 new major rules at a cost to Americans approaching $73 billion annually....twice the annual average of his predecessor George W. Bush.And much more regulation is on the way, with another 125 major rules on the Administration’s to-do list, including dozens linked to the Dodd–Frank financial regulation law and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. Red Tape Rising: Five Years of Regulatory Expansion

37. The number of people not in the labor force reached another record high in July, according to new jobs data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
TheBLS reportsthat 93,770,000 people (16 and older) were neither employed last month nor had made specific efforts to find work in the prior four weeks.

Record 93,770,000 Americans Not in Labor Force - Breitbart

.... a 38-year low, the Labor Department reported on Friday.... -- The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little changed at 2,180,000 in July (up from 2,121,000 in June). These individuals accounted for 26.9 percent of the unemployed. Record 93,770,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 38-Year Low

According to the BLS,56,209,000 women aged 16 and older were not participating in the workforce in July, besting April’srecordof 56,167,000 Record 56,209,000 Women Not in Labor Force - Breitbart


38. Average unemployment rate under Bush: 5.31

Average unemployment rate under Obama: 8.46 United States Unemployment Rates by President, 1948-2016 (thru 2014)

39. "(CNSNews.com) - A record 94,031,000 Americans were not in the American labor force last month -- 261,000 more than July ---- The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) held at 2.2 million in August and accounted for 27.7 percent of the unemployed..." Record 94,031,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Stuck at 38-Year Low for 3rd Straight Month

40. "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.

The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.

“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0

41. "....US hourly wages have not only not increased for the past 7 years, but for thevast majority of the labor force continue to decline,....just the month of August will be enough to provide the Trump - and every other - campaign with enough soundbites and pivot points to last it for weeks on end: namely, that in August a whopping 698,000 native-born Americans lost their job. This drop was offset by 204,000 foreign-born Americans, who got a job in the month of August. .... since December 2007, according to the Household Survey,only 790,000 native born Americanjobs have been added. Contrast that withthe 2.1 million foreign-born Americanswho have found a job over the same time period..." 698K Native-Born Americans Lost Their Job In August: Why This Suddenly Is The Most Important Jobs Chart | Zero Hedge

42. October 2015: "Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...september-zero-wage-growth-august-revised-muc

43. "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of theoriginal $2 billion appropriated in 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.

...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/04/obamacare-co-op-mess-causes-1-3-billion-in-losses/#ixzz3qilfNWEW

44. "Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving
This is a new record, beating the previous high of 136 set by President Obama this spring."
Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving


45. "...ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gracema...ce-again-because-of-obamacare-co-op-failures/


46. "The U.S. expanded at a 2.2% rate through the first nine months of the year, and the economy is projected to grow at a similar pace in the fourth quarter that ends on Dec. 31. If so, the economy will have failed to reach 3% growth for the 10th straight year, marking the slowest stretch since the end of World War II.

Historically the economy has expanded at a 3.3% rate." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/third-quarter-gdp-growth-trimmed-to-2-2015-12-22

47. "Congress has now cleared the way for federal debt to pass$20 trillionby the end of the president’s second term. President Obama said the new budget deal will be paid for in a “balanced” and “responsible” way, but on the day the deal was signed, the federal debt jumped $339 billion—a third of a trillion dollars in one day." https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/13317.24.180.0/economy/societywatch?preview

48. The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2015 is 0.8 percent on January 8, down from 1.0 percent on January 6. The forecast for the contribution of inventory investment to fourth-quarter real GDP growth declined 0.2 percentage points to -0.8 percentage points after this morning's wholesale trade report from the U.S. Census Bureau. https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow.aspx?panel=1

49. "Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009 Sales at U.S. retailers declined in December to wrap the weakest year since 2009, raising concern about the momentum in consumer spending heading into 2016. The 0.1 percent drop matched the median forecast of 84 economists surveyed by Bloomberg and followed a 0.4 percent gain in November, Commerce Department figures showed Friday in Washington. For all of 2015, purchases climbed 2.1 percent, the smallest advance of the current economic expansion." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-u-s-decrease-to-end-weakest-year-since-2009

50. " The federal government heavily subsidizes higher education through a complex system of grants and loans. While the programs are great for colleges — they haveenabledan astronomical increase in tuition — they contain few measures holding the institutions accountable to their students. As a result, only59 percentof students graduate from four-year colleges and universities within six years. Those lucky enough to graduate face another hurdle:44 percentof recent college graduates occupy jobs which do not require a college degree. Taken together, these numbers suggest that only one-third of college enrollees emerge from the system with both a degree and a relevant job." http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/what-free-college-cant-fix/?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRokuq/JZKXonjHpfsX57OkvWaW+lMI/0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4ARcNkI+SLDwEYGJlv6SgFQ7HBMbhr1rgPWhk=

51."U.S. Economy Grew Anemic 0.7% in Fourth Quarter
Gross domestic product, a broad measure of economic output,expanded at a 0.7% seasonally adjusted annualized ratein the fourth quarter, the Commerce Department said Friday. The economy had advanced 2% in the third quarter and 3.9% in the second quarter."
U.S. Economy Grew Anemic 0.7% in Fourth Quarter

52. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "...annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/with-gdp-downgrade-obama-growth-gap-expands/

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/obama-always-wrong-never-in-doubt.php

b. "....first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth." http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/09/investing/hedge-fund-billionaire-defends-obama-chanos/


53. According to the2016 Index of Economic Freedom, an annual publication by The Heritage Foundation, America’s economic freedom has tumbled. With losses of economic freedom in eight of the past nine years, the U.S. has tied its worst score ever, wiping out a decade of progress. Since early2009:

· Government spending has exploded, amounting to $29,867 per household in 2015.

· The national debt has risen to $125,000 for every tax filing household in America—a total over $18 trillion.

· The government takeover of health care is raising prices and disrupting markets.

· Bailouts and new government regulations have increased uncertainty, stifling investment and job creation. http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/31/americas-economic-freedom-has-rapidly-declined-under-obama/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRovvKXPZKXonjHpfsX57eQrUKW0lMI/0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4ASMpgMa+TFAwTG5toziV8R7jHKM1t0sEQWBHm

54. "Despite the unemployment rate being at an eight-year low (4.9 percent as of January 2016), the number of people on food stampsremains near an all-time highwhich was 47,636,000 in 2013.

Why the disparity in the numbers? Well, the unemployment rate does not take into account people who are not in, or have dropped out of, the workforce altogether.

The Bureau of Labor Statisticsreportedin January of this year that approximately 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce.

We now have a country based on government dependence." http://www.mrctv.org/blog/despite-low-unemployment-rate-food-stamp-users-remains-near-all-time-high

55. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." https://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive...-neighborhoods-study-130930393--business.html


56. "Employers added more workers in February than projected but wages unexpectedly declined, dashing hopes that reduced slack in the labor market was starting to benefit all Americans..... Average hourly earnings dropped by 0.1 percent from the prior month, the first decline since December 2014 the Labor Department’s figures showed. Worker pay increased 2.2 percent over the 12 months ended in February, less than the 2.5 percent forecast in the Bloomberg survey. Wage growth has been hovering just above 2 percent year-over-year on average since the current expansion began in mid-2009." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-surge-while-wages-drop-in-mixed-jobs-report

57. New Obama regulation will deprive middle class investors of access to financial information. "...the controversial pending Department of Labor regulation that would impose new restrictions on a vast swath of financial professionals... a newreportfor the Competitive Enterprise Institute, similar restrictions in Great Britain have caused a “guidance gap” in which brokers have largely stopped serving customers with assets less than £150,000 ($240,000).... Such limits on financial discussion may seem to violate the First Amendment..." http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnber...l-broadcasters-like-dave-ramsey/#2962753ee696


Excellent link showing the economy http://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/us/

You keep googling articles that agree with you rather than providing source data. I've pointed out previously that you need to provide source data and then digest said data into a logical argument and step us through that argument. We are looking for independent thought based upon reliable statistics, not how many google searches you do for unconfirmed sources that agree with your opinion.

As for broad sweeping strokes on the counter points you have copy-and-pasted:

I'm ignoring anything you provided unless linked to a reliable source that provides accurate citations.

On debt, I agree that debt has increased under Obama and has gotten out of hand. Fortunately, nobody with a background in economics has ever judged how well the economy is doing based off of their debt. If this were the case then we would have been in a recession since like 1980.

On the labor force, it is debatable whether or not this is a worrying trend. The issue here is that many individuals not in the labor force are simply individuals that are retiring. We have an aging population, and one of the biggest generations, the baby boomers, are reaching that retirement age and dropping out of the workforce. Now, given that understanding, if we control for the baby boomers dropping out of the work force and then investigate the numbers, then, if we still find that many individuals are not in the work force that maybe should, then that, undoubtedly, would be a point of worry for us. However, at least from what I can see (I've only skimmed what you copy-pasted) I don't see any reliable data investigating that. However, I'd be really interested if you could find something on that since, for sure, that is something I haven't investigated myself but is a serious point I think warrants investigation.

On income inequality / racial divides in income. I agree that these are issues. Now, I'm not sure whether or not they have been conflated by Obama's presidency in comparison to Bush's presidency (the last republican president), however, I certainly agree that the growing divide in income inequality and racial differences in income are worrying for our future economic growth. This is why we really need to press home actions that decrease these gaps, such as increasing minimum wage, or providing more affordable education. I'm glad to see that you are wary of these issues and want to see increasing minimum wages and better availability of education for the masses as well.

On businesses shutting down rather than starting up, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the business environment is increasing leaning more towards big business companies, conglomerates, etc. If a Wal-Mart moves into a neighborhood it may put 3-4 mom and pop shops out of business. Is that a bad thing? I would argue that it isn't. However, that point is debatable, so if you want to discuss it further, please elaborate on why it is better to have many smaller businesses rather than some larger "umbrella" corporations.

Perhaps I am unaware, but you posted several articles about 1st quarter growth rather than addressing annual growth (or decline) or considering his overall years. Why? Is there something about 1st quarter growth that is more important than the annual numbers? It appears that you are just looking for quarters that declined and posting them, however, I'll allow that maybe there is something about quarter growth rates that I don't know about. Please enlighten us on why you feel that posting specific quarter data is more important than the overall picture.

One link you posted that, I believe, may deserve some further investigation:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/07/record-56209000-women-not-in-labor-force/

Now, taken in a vacuum this actually doesn't mean anything. Here, I ask you to digest the numbers (the article links to the BLS, which is solid source data). Please provide us with a brief analysis of the percentage of women (based off of the population of the US during that year) not in the workforce. For comparison's sake I would say that an annual analysis stretching back to 2000 or 2004 (before the recession, during Bush's years) would do. Please digest the data for us, display it in an easy to read format, and formulate your conclusion based upon your data analysis (remember it is your point to make so you need to do the work, not me). I think that, potentially, this could indicate a worrying trend that warrants some attention.

I don't think that many people can argue that Obamacare has not worked. I, for one, certainly believe it to have failed. Given the rising health care costs the only reasonable thing to do would be to abolish all private health care and blanket the country under one health care plan. It is the best way to control the spiraling costs of pharmaceuticals as well as, hopefully, put patient care BACK into the hands of the doctors and OUT of the hands of the insurance companies (if you have had any medical care done, or know anything about the medical field, you know that what treatment you get is dictated more by your insurance than it is by what your doctor recommends).

If you know anything about economics you know that the larger an economy is, the harder it is for it to grow (which is why we see outrageous growth rates from some second world countries like China). A slowed growth in the economy is expected both with that basic economic understanding coupled with the fact that we are in a recovery period rather than one of prosperity.

I'm actually a huge fan of the index of economic freedom. I'm glad you posted it..however, I'm disappointed that you didn't actually look at it. You do realize we are ranked 11th out of the 178 countries right?

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Overall, I applaud that you did actually link to some good sources (even though most were worthless, at least by luck or by action you did hit on some). I have explained my counter positions. As it stands, however, the better indicators of economic growth, real GDP, and real median household income, indicate that we are doing fine under Obama's presidency. The points your brought up that I agree with, income inequality and Obamacare, are both worrying but aren't, by themselves, strong enough to indicate that we have a bad economy. You would need to show how real GDP and real median household income has either declined or how other indicators which show decline are better to use for judging his economic Presidency. Because, as it stands, he did just fine.

TL;DR

I agree income inequality is worrying, and grew during Obama's years. I agree that Obamacare is a failure. All your other points you need to further explain or relate as to actually why they may be relevant. None of your points directly counter the evidence I provided or show that they are stronger indications of how "bad" the economy performed under his presidency.

Again, I'd simply request you give us source data, and use your own brain to come up with an original interpretation of the data. You seem to really love googling for whatever happens to agree with you. That is not the best way to increase your knowledge base.

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

 

[Never3ndr]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

 

[Never3ndr]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

 

[daws101]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

The sources you provided lack credibility.

 

[Never3ndr]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

You keep googling articles that agree with you rather than providing source data. I've pointed out previously that you need to provide source data and then digest said data into a logical argument and step us through that argument. We are looking for independent thought based upon reliable statistics, not how many google searches you do for unconfirmed sources that agree with your opinion.

As for broad sweeping strokes on the counter points you have copy-and-pasted:

I'm ignoring anything you provided unless linked to a reliable source that provides accurate citations.

On debt, I agree that debt has increased under Obama and has gotten out of hand. Fortunately, nobody with a background in economics has ever judged how well the economy is doing based off of their debt. If this were the case then we would have been in a recession since like 1980.

On the labor force, it is debatable whether or not this is a worrying trend. The issue here is that many individuals not in the labor force are simply individuals that are retiring. We have an aging population, and one of the biggest generations, the baby boomers, are reaching that retirement age and dropping out of the workforce. Now, given that understanding, if we control for the baby boomers dropping out of the work force and then investigate the numbers, then, if we still find that many individuals are not in the work force that maybe should, then that, undoubtedly, would be a point of worry for us. However, at least from what I can see (I've only skimmed what you copy-pasted) I don't see any reliable data investigating that. However, I'd be really interested if you could find something on that since, for sure, that is something I haven't investigated myself but is a serious point I think warrants investigation.

On income inequality / racial divides in income. I agree that these are issues. Now, I'm not sure whether or not they have been conflated by Obama's presidency in comparison to Bush's presidency (the last republican president), however, I certainly agree that the growing divide in income inequality and racial differences in income are worrying for our future economic growth. This is why we really need to press home actions that decrease these gaps, such as increasing minimum wage, or providing more affordable education. I'm glad to see that you are wary of these issues and want to see increasing minimum wages and better availability of education for the masses as well.

On businesses shutting down rather than starting up, I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the business environment is increasing leaning more towards big business companies, conglomerates, etc. If a Wal-Mart moves into a neighborhood it may put 3-4 mom and pop shops out of business. Is that a bad thing? I would argue that it isn't. However, that point is debatable, so if you want to discuss it further, please elaborate on why it is better to have many smaller businesses rather than some larger "umbrella" corporations.

Perhaps I am unaware, but you posted several articles about 1st quarter growth rather than addressing annual growth (or decline) or considering his overall years. Why? Is there something about 1st quarter growth that is more important than the annual numbers? It appears that you are just looking for quarters that declined and posting them, however, I'll allow that maybe there is something about quarter growth rates that I don't know about. Please enlighten us on why you feel that posting specific quarter data is more important than the overall picture.

One link you posted that, I believe, may deserve some further investigation:

Record 56,209,000 Women Not in Labor Force - Breitbart

Now, taken in a vacuum this actually doesn't mean anything. Here, I ask you to digest the numbers (the article links to the BLS, which is solid source data). Please provide us with a brief analysis of the percentage of women (based off of the population of the US during that year) not in the workforce. For comparison's sake I would say that an annual analysis stretching back to 2000 or 2004 (before the recession, during Bush's years) would do. Please digest the data for us, display it in an easy to read format, and formulate your conclusion based upon your data analysis (remember it is your point to make so you need to do the work, not me). I think that, potentially, this could indicate a worrying trend that warrants some attention.

I don't think that many people can argue that Obamacare has not worked. I, for one, certainly believe it to have failed. Given the rising health care costs the only reasonable thing to do would be to abolish all private health care and blanket the country under one health care plan. It is the best way to control the spiraling costs of pharmaceuticals as well as, hopefully, put patient care BACK into the hands of the doctors and OUT of the hands of the insurance companies (if you have had any medical care done, or know anything about the medical field, you know that what treatment you get is dictated more by your insurance than it is by what your doctor recommends).

If you know anything about economics you know that the larger an economy is, the harder it is for it to grow (which is why we see outrageous growth rates from some second world countries like China). A slowed growth in the economy is expected both with that basic economic understanding coupled with the fact that we are in a recovery period rather than one of prosperity.

I'm actually a huge fan of the index of economic freedom. I'm glad you posted it..however, I'm disappointed that you didn't actually look at it. You do realize we are ranked 11th out of the 178 countries right?

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Overall, I applaud that you did actually link to some good sources (even though most were worthless, at least by luck or by action you did hit on some). I have explained my counter positions. As it stands, however, the better indicators of economic growth, real GDP, and real median household income, indicate that we are doing fine under Obama's presidency. The points your brought up that I agree with, income inequality and Obamacare, are both worrying but aren't, by themselves, strong enough to indicate that we have a bad economy. You would need to show how real GDP and real median household income has either declined or how other indicators which show decline are better to use for judging his economic Presidency. Because, as it stands, he did just fine.

TL;DR

I agree income inequality is worrying, and grew during Obama's years. I agree that Obamacare is a failure. All your other points you need to further explain or relate as to actually why they may be relevant. None of your points directly counter the evidence I provided or show that they are stronger indications of how "bad" the economy performed under his presidency.

Again, I'd simply request you give us source data, and use your own brain to come up with an original interpretation of the data. You seem to really love googling for whatever happens to agree with you. That is not the best way to increase your knowledge base.

 

[daws101]

one of pc's sources has a disclaimer and it states" accuracy is not guaranteed.
For informational use only.

 

[Never3ndr]

one of pc's sources has a disclaimer and it states" accuracy is not guaranteed.
For informational use only.

If you get into a battle on each individual source (when given this amount of crap to digest) than the original argument gets convoluted and lost (you start bickering about details). It is a distraction tactic used that, at this point in time, we should ignore. This is why I did more of a broad based counter argument format rather than digesting the information piece by piece, and why I did a smaller conclusion and TL;DR.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here....let me summarize the list of accurate, correct and revealing media reports of Obama's tenure:
The worst economic policies in American history.
Close to FDR's....but even worse.

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

The sources you provided lack credibility.

Typical lie from a gutter snipe.

 

[daws101]

Again, I'm not doubting your ability to google things that agree with your opinion. I'm simply asking you to do an unbiased study of what actually happened during his years. I've provided my evidence and reasoning, you have copy-pasted 60 articles you can find that agreed with you. I'm sure you can do the same thing fighting against global warming or even supporting flat earth theory...none of that actually matters though if it is based upon falsities. Please do an independent study of actual source data and then give us the reasons why you think Obama's presidency has failed economically. I've posted both real GDP and Real Median Household income and explained how that shows that his years have been favorable. You have yet to refute or adequately counter my argument.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

The sources you provided lack credibility.

Typical lie from a gutter snipe.

Really how's that?
All I did was check your source for accuracy.
Defensive are we?

 

[PoliticalChic]

one of pc's sources has a disclaimer and it states" accuracy is not guaranteed.
For informational use only.

If you get into a battle on each individual source (when given this amount of crap to digest) than the original argument gets convoluted and lost (you start bickering about details). It is a distraction tactic used that, at this point in time, we should ignore. This is why I did more of a broad based counter argument format rather than digesting the information piece by piece, and why I did a smaller conclusion and TL;DR.

57

Each accurate and the source provided.

Each and every one.

one of pc's sources has a disclaimer and it states" accuracy is not guaranteed.
For informational use only.

If you get into a battle on each individual source (when given this amount of crap to digest) than the original argument gets convoluted and lost (you start bickering about details). It is a distraction tactic used that, at this point in time, we should ignore. This is why I did more of a broad based counter argument format rather than digesting the information piece by piece, and why I did a smaller conclusion and TL;DR.

57

Each accurate and the source provided.

Each and every one.


"a broad based counter argument format "
That's called hot air.



Waiting for you to ask for a similar list of Barack Obama's foreign policy fiascoes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

The sources you provided lack credibility.

Typical lie from a gutter snipe.

Really how's that?
All I did was check your source for accuracy.
Defensive are we?

You checked nothing.
That's called lying.

 

[Never3ndr]

57

Each accurate and the source provided.

Each and every one.


"a broad based counter argument format "
That's called hot air.



Waiting for you to ask for a similar list of Barack Obama's foreign policy fiascoes.

If it is hot air, than it should not be hard to refute my argument and counter points. You still haven't. I'm still waiting.

 

[daws101]

one of pc's sources has a disclaimer and it states" accuracy is not guaranteed.
For informational use only.

If you get into a battle on each individual source (when given this amount of crap to digest) than the original argument gets convoluted and lost (you start bickering about details). It is a distraction tactic used that, at this point in time, we should ignore. This is why I did more of a broad based counter argument format rather than digesting the information piece by piece, and why I did a smaller conclusion and TL;DR.

57

Each accurate and the source provided.

Each and every one.

one of pc's sources has a disclaimer and it states" accuracy is not guaranteed.
For informational use only.

If you get into a battle on each individual source (when given this amount of crap to digest) than the original argument gets convoluted and lost (you start bickering about details). It is a distraction tactic used that, at this point in time, we should ignore. This is why I did more of a broad based counter argument format rather than digesting the information piece by piece, and why I did a smaller conclusion and TL;DR.

57

Each accurate and the source provided.

Each and every one.


"a broad based counter argument format "
That's called hot air.



Waiting for you to ask for a similar list of Barack Obama's foreign policy fiascoes.

Tantrum alert!
Danger will Robinson!

 

[daws101]

Did you not read my response? Perhaps you should go back and address my lengthy response since i did have issues with what you posted.

Edit I stepped through your response, the least you could do is give me the courtesy of assessing my response rather than giving me what you THINK I said.

I just gave you 57 sourced and specific statements of failure by Barack Obama.

And those are only his economic failures.


Which did you find untrue?

None?

Excellent.



Would you like a similar list of is foreign policy failures?

Say the word.


The only failures more abject than Barack Obama are his supporters.
Raise your paw.

The sources you provided lack credibility.

Typical lie from a gutter snipe.

Really how's that?
All I did was check your source for accuracy.
Defensive are we?

You checked nothing.
That's called lying.

Unlike yourself I never lie .
If I'm wrong then check it.
Your ranting is humorous but it's no evidence of inaccuracy on my part.

 

[Camp]

57

Each accurate and the source provided.

Each and every one.


"a broad based counter argument format "
That's called hot air.



Waiting for you to ask for a similar list of Barack Obama's foreign policy fiascoes.

If it is hot air, than it should not be hard to refute my argument and counter points. You still haven't. I'm still waiting.

There are several posters waiting for responses in this thread. Don't hold your breath. She will use every method available to evade answering questions, defending her outrageous distortions of quotes or questioning some of her dubious sources.

 

[Never3ndr]

There are several posters waiting for responses in this thread. Don't hold your breath. She will use every method available to evade answering questions, defending her outrageous distortions of quotes or questioning some of her dubious sources.

I mean that is pretty apparent, I'm actually not expecting a response...this guy/gal literally just copy-pasted stuff then tried to change the subject.

Still, doesn't mean that it isn't amusing.

 

[Camp]

There are several posters waiting for responses in this thread. Don't hold your breath. She will use every method available to evade answering questions, defending her outrageous distortions of quotes or questioning some of her dubious sources.

I mean that is pretty apparent, I'm actually not expecting a response...this guy/gal literally just copy-pasted stuff then tried to change the subject.

Still, doesn't mean that it isn't amusing.

Well, you are new here. This is her history and pattern. If you look back at her past threads you will see the pattern. Eventually, she abandons the thread and comes back to start a new one about the same topic, but with a new title.