Putin Warns Ukraine’s Use of Long-Range Weapons Would Put NATO ‘At War’ with Russia

[ESay]

Agreed. It was a disgrace

What is disgrace is how the West fails in its foreign policy for the last 30 years. The Iraq and Afghan campaigns that turned out to be disaster for these states and the region. Failed proxy wars in Syria and Libya.

The wars in Ossetia and Donbas when the Wast just had to recognize the status quo imposed by the Russians.

Is the current Russia-Ukraine war supposed to end up differently, by some miracle? Hardly. All of its developments just cry that it will be another failure for the West.

 

[Bleipriester]

No, because that state-of-affairs no longer exists. Weaponry is flowing freely now.

The opposite is taking place. The major supporters are actually decreasing their support. I posted a lot of info about this.

Wrong. It is about stopping that piece-of-$hit ex-KGB monster who thinks he can invade his neighbors and annex their land.[/SIZE]

Its what they tell you. But it is them who took over Ukraine ten years ago in a putsch and prepared the current situation since then.
They watched the other way, when Ukraine violated the Minsk II ceasefire on a large scale, thus literally forced Russia to intervene:

OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) Daily Report 40/2022 issued on 21 February 2022

Summary In Donetsk region, between the evenings of 18 and 20 February, the SMM recorded 2,158 ceasefire violations, including 1,100 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 591 ceasefire violations in the region.

www.osce.org

 

[Bleipriester]

What is disgrace is how the West fails in its foreign policy for the last 30 years. The Iraq and Afghan campaigns that turned out to be disaster for these states and the region. Failed proxy wars in Syria and Libya.

The wars in Ossetia and Donbas when the Wast just had to recognize the status quo imposed by the Russians.

Is the current Russia-Ukraine war supposed to end up differently, by some miracle? Hardly. All of its developments just cry that it will be another failure for the West.

I don´t think we can talk about failures. Syria for example. They only failed if it was really about removing Assad. But they were not even at war with Syria. It is similar to the current war. If it was only about weakening Syria, destroying it, they actually accomplished their mission. That´s what they do. Maintaining dominance by throwing countries into the abyss. Outcome of the war? Doesn´t matter at all.

 

[ESay]

I don´t think we can talk about failures. Syria for example. They only failed if it was really about removing Assad. But they were not even at war with Syria. It is similar to the current war. If it was only about weakening Syria, destroying it, they actually accomplished their mission. That´s what they do. Maintaining dominance by throwing countries into the abyss. Outcome of the war? Doesn´t matter at all.

I think that the goal in Syria was removing Assad. And they would have achieved that goal relatively quickly had Iran and Russia not directly intervened to prop him up.

But yes, weakening and disintegration of the region is the main goal of the American government. And they achieved that for now.

The same is going on in Europe. Weakening Europe and Russia by this war, and tieing the European continent to American-led institutions.

But the policy of 'controlled chaos' plays against its masters. Societies as a whole are longing for stability and seek those powers that can provide it. And that is why Taliban is becoming a partner for the regional nations, the Iraqi government is keen on cooperation with Iran, the Gulf monarchies are trying to pursue their own policy without its former main ally. The Americans are losing their influence worldwide and I see nothing that can reverse this trend.

 

[Kondor3]

Then this doesn't work. Since 2014 he only adds to his territory.

Well then we'll just have to keep trying until you run out of stupid Serfs willing to die with pitchforks in hand for their Tsar...

 

[Kondor3]

What is disgrace is how the West fails in its foreign policy for the last 30 years. The Iraq and Afghan campaigns that turned out to be disaster for these states and the region. Failed proxy wars in Syria and Libya.

Yep. That too.

The wars in Ossetia and Donbas when the Wast just had to recognize the status quo imposed by the Russians.

IMPOSED by the Russians? Who died and appointed YOU God to make such demands while on other people's land?

Is the current Russia-Ukraine war supposed to end up differently, by some miracle? Hardly. All of its developments just cry that it will be another failure for the West.

Then we'll just have to keep trying and giving Ukrainians ammunition to kill Russian Invaders until we get it right...

 

[ESay]

Well then we'll just have to keep trying until you run out of stupid Serfs willing to die with pitchforks in hand for their Tsar...

You seem to still cannot grasp that Ukrainians have far fewer serfs than Russians do.

 

[ESay]

IMPOSED by the Russians? Who died and appointed YOU God to make such demands while on other people's land?

They installed their puppet governments there. Largely supported by the local population. And you could do nothing with that.

Then we'll just have to keep trying and giving Ukrainians ammunition to kill Russian Invaders until we get it right...

You can do nothing right. You will always fuck things up.