Question about Noah.

[peach174]

were you there?.....did you sleep through it?....

Is it possible for you to read the thread discussion and offer a relevant comment?

It's just pitiable that you YEC'ists will insist your bible tales and fables are true and inerrant Yet we both know that there is not a shred of credible evidence to support such absurdities.

/shrugs...the only possible comment relevant to your posts is that you don't know what you're talking about and have to lie about others to have something to post......even then, its merely repetitive......

So was it a global flood or not? And how do we know that Noah was 600 years old?

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

So where did the chinks, spooks, pigmies, bush people... Come from if they weren't on the ark?

It is explained in Genesis

According to Genesis 10, Noah had three sons:
Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic Arabian) and as the father of the Far East
Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic North/North East African)
Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasian)

 

[amrchaos]

There was a layer of water in the heavens. It filtered the suns rays, and created a terrarium effect, a perfect growing atmosphere. It had never rained before the flood. And the rest came from underground.

How do you know there were a layer of water in the atmosphere before hand.

Also, would not such a layer create a large temperature difference on the ground than what we see today? Something about that model sounds highly suspicious. I think you have to come up with something better than that.

 

[peach174]

There was a layer of water in the heavens. It filtered the suns rays, and created a terrarium effect, a perfect growing atmosphere. It had never rained before the flood. And the rest came from underground.

How do you know there were a layer of water in the atmosphere before hand.

Also, would not such a layer create a large temperature difference on the ground than what we see today? Something about that model sounds highly suspicious. I think you have to come up with something better than that.

The Earth was much warmer during the dinosaur age
EcoAlert Earth was Stifling Hot During Peak Age of Dinosaurs

 

[The Irish Ram]

Where are all your people? If you have humans producing as early as you say, with no flood, there should be trillions of people on earth. If on the other hand repopulation began 4,400 years ago, there should be between 6-8 Billion people.

 

[amrchaos]

were you there?.....did you sleep through it?....

Is it possible for you to read the thread discussion and offer a relevant comment?

It's just pitiable that you YEC'ists will insist your bible tales and fables are true and inerrant Yet we both know that there is not a shred of credible evidence to support such absurdities.

/shrugs...the only possible comment relevant to your posts is that you don't know what you're talking about and have to lie about others to have something to post......even then, its merely repetitive......

So was it a global flood or not? And how do we know that Noah was 600 years old?

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

Yes it did.
The Mathisen Corollary Crinoids on Mount Everest

Crinoids on Mount Everest?
Crinoid fossils and other marine fossils have been found on top of almost every mountain range on earth. In fact, crinoid fossils have even been found at the summit of Mount Everest, the highest point on earth.

Actually, if you think abut it, it is highly unlikely that any sea/ocean/lake creatures would have gotten deposited in large numbers on any mountain if we relie only on the explaination of a flood.

The Biblical did nt put them there. There would have to have traveled not only upwards, but also thousand of miles to make it near the top of a mountain in waters that did not harbor the natural food supply of these organisms. Especially in 40 days!

Its like saying it is ok to traversing the Sahara without proper preparations, or knowing where the oasis are. Such a route would take years to create underwater even if Mt. Everst existed at the time these organisms where able to travel in the region.

In other words, unless these organisms fell from Heaven with the rain, it is unlikely the flood "deposited" them on the mountains in the short time span given.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Never assume. We'll just have to look and see if any books other than the Bible corroborate what the Bible tells us.....

Ignorance is bliss.

You must be down right giddy then. Who was it again that stuck her foot in her mouth about what was contained in the Qu'ran, lovingly referred to since as Hollie's Folly?

As for temperature, take a glass of hot water and put it in a tub of cold water. Does the glass of water heat the tub water, or does the tub of cold water over take the heat? Prior to the flood we had a layer of water that filtered the sun's rays and created a terrarium effect for vegetation. It is the perfect environment for life.
We have marine fossils on top of mountains. We have fresh water shells that predate the salt water shells of the Black Sea. And across the globe inhabitants knew there was a flood. We have 22 different accounts of it from a variety of different locations.

 

[amrchaos]

Where are all your people? If you have humans producing as early as you say, with no flood, there should be trillions of people on earth. If on the other hand if repopulation began 4,400 years ago, there should be between 6-8 Billion people.

Actually, no. There is an upper limit to the population question you are implying. Yes, at first (or starting from an adequate population) Population growth is exponential. But given a limit on any availible resources such as food, space and other(there is alot) the population growth will slow down and eventually stop at a limiting pint. Improvements can increase this, suggesting that the population of the human race may have leveled off at numerous points in time and started growing again due to improvement in Technology.

But if yu consider the amount of foodstuff produced by the human race and tried to feed 6 billion from that measure, with the limited Technology of those days(or just the Hebrew Tech, which was actually inferior to their neighbors) and you would have mass starvation on an epic and global level.

 

[peach174]

Is it possible for you to read the thread discussion and offer a relevant comment?

It's just pitiable that you YEC'ists will insist your bible tales and fables are true and inerrant Yet we both know that there is not a shred of credible evidence to support such absurdities.

/shrugs...the only possible comment relevant to your posts is that you don't know what you're talking about and have to lie about others to have something to post......even then, its merely repetitive......

So was it a global flood or not? And how do we know that Noah was 600 years old?

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

Yes it did.
The Mathisen Corollary Crinoids on Mount Everest

Crinoids on Mount Everest?
Crinoid fossils and other marine fossils have been found on top of almost every mountain range on earth. In fact, crinoid fossils have even been found at the summit of Mount Everest, the highest point on earth.

Actually, if you think abut it, it is highly unlikely that any sea/ocean/lake creatures would have gotten deposited in large numbers on any mountain if we relie only on the explaination of a flood.

The Biblical did nt put them there. There would have to have traveled not only upwards, but also thousand of miles to make it near the top of a mountain in waters that did not harbor the natural food supply of these organisms. Especially in 40 days!

Its like saying it is ok to traversing the Sahara without proper preparations, or knowing where the oasis are. Such a route would take years to create underwater even if Mt. Everst existed at the time these organisms where able to travel in the region.

In other words, unless these organisms fell from Heaven with the rain, it is unlikely the flood "deposited" them on the mountains in the short time span given.

If you would have read the article it explains it.
On the other hand, the hydroplate theory explains the presence of these marine fossils on top of Everest and other high continental mountains quite satisfactorily (just as it explains many other difficult issues in geology that cannot be satisfactorily explained by conventional tectonic theory, such as the question of why ancient monuments such as the Giza pyramids, Stonehenge, Newgrange, Mnajdra and others are still aligned after several thousands of years of supposed continental drift, or how undersea canyons such as the Ganges Fan, the Indus Fan, and the Monterey Canyon were carved, or why the Grand Canyon plows right through a huge massif if it was really carved over tens of millions of years by a simple river the way we are supposed to believe it was, or why there are arc-and-cusp patternsin the deep ocean trenches that are impossible to explain by the action of subducting plates, or why -- if subducting plates really cause deep ocean trenches -- sophisticated modern gravity measurementsfind gravity vacuums under the trenches instead of gravity spikes the way one would expect if these trenches are really created by a diving oceanic plate).

The hydroplate theory explains why Everest itself is composed of sedimentary rock -- in itself a remarkable fact. It explains that the layered strata (with their rapidly buried fossils) were laid down during the global flood, that the events surrounding that flood caused the continents to drift away from the rupture that would become the Atlantic Ocean and towards the basin that would become the Pacific and Indian Oceans, and that the violent compression of these continents (and their sedimentary layers) pushed up the mountain ranges including the Himalayas. The theory argues that this flood event could have happened only thousands of years ago rather than tens or hundreds of millions of years ago -- solving the problems that uniformitarian explanations have (such as why the successive ages of annual freezing and thawing have not eroded all these ancient fossils away, and why there are still modern crinoids that look just like these supposedly extremely ancient crinoids).

This theory explains the preservation of fossils in the first place -- which do not generally form under normal conditions and which pose a real problem for uniformitarian theories (normal conditions plus lots of time do not create fossils). Its explanation for a rapid creation of the Himalayas is also crucial to the understanding of what caused earth's "Big Roll" (the evidence for which has been discussed in several other posts such as this one and this one, and which other analysts have tried to explain using theories such as the "earth-crust displacement" theory or theories which involve Venus bouncing off of the earth in an ancient time).

 

[The Irish Ram]

Where are all your people? If you have humans producing as early as you say, with no flood, there should be trillions of people on earth. If on the other hand if repopulation began 4,400 years ago, there should be between 6-8 Billion people.

Actually, no. There is an upper limit to the population question you are implying. Yes, at first (or starting from an adequate population) Population growth is exponential. But given a limit on any availible resources such as food, space and other(there is alot) the population growth will slow down and eventually stop at a limiting pint. Improvements can increase this, suggesting that the population of the human race may have leveled off at numerous points in time and started growing again due to improvement in Technology.

But if yu consider the amount of foodstuff produced by the human race and tried to feed 6 billion from that measure, with the limited Technology of those days(or just the Hebrew Tech, which was actually inferior to their neighbors) and you would have mass starvation on an epic and global level.

That's not correct amr. This earth can sustain about 10 billion people at one time. At that point resources would start to cause a decline.
If the flood happened when the Bible said it did, we should have about 6 and 1/2 billion people today. I do believe we have reached around 7 billion.

 

[Hollie]

Never assume. We'll just have to look and see if any books other than the Bible corroborate what the Bible tells us.....

Ignorance is bliss.

You must be down right giddy then. Who was it again that stuck her foot in her mouth about what was contained in the Qu'ran, lovingly referred to since as Hollie's Folly?

As for temperature, take a glass of hot water and put it in a tub of cold water. Does the glass of water heat the tub water, or does the tub of cold water over take the heat? Prior to the flood we had a layer of water that filtered the sun's rays and created a terrarium effect for vegetation. It is the perfect environment for life.
We have marine fossils on top of mountains. We have fresh water shells that predate the salt water shells of the Black Sea. And across the globe inhabitants knew there was a flood. We have 22 different accounts of it from a variety of different locations.

Well, aside from your being giddy and the your childish name-calling, it was you with the stuck foot and not understanding the corrupted bibles being corrected by the Koran.

As for marine animal sea shells at higher elevations, that's answered by processes of geology, tectonic plate movement and "uplift".

There's no magic or supernaturalism of the bibles involved.

 

[RandomVariable]

Hollie, I was thinking about how you faired today. Seems you were defeated, publicly humiliated, and utterly crushed by someone you do not even believe in. What is that like? Let me know so I can pass it along.

 

[Hollie]

Hollie, I was thinking about how you faired today. Seems you were defeated, publicly humiliated, and utterly crushed by someone you do not even believe in. What is that like? Let me know so I can pass it along.

Aside from your anger and bitterness, are you delusional? It seems you religious extremists have real difficulty with a reality based worldview.

 

[PostmodernProph]

That's hardly an answer.

Now you are just slipping into stupid.

she started out knee deep........

And you're just angry because you can't string words into coherent sentences.

So tell us about dinosaurs on Noah's pleasure cruise.

come up with some new material or I just repeat "you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination".......

Repeat whatever you want. It won't hide your inability to address a single, salient made in contention to your Ark tales.

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

You YEC'ists are a hoot.

you no longer are......you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

You're angry. I understand challenges to your Ark tales causes you such angst but why get pissy with me when I'm just trying to educate you to the folly of YEC'ism?

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

Well, you're the just repeating tiresome slogans. Most 12 year olds could make better arguments than repeating tired slogans

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

 

[Hollie]

Now you are just slipping into stupid.

she started out knee deep........

And you're just angry because you can't string words into coherent sentences.

So tell us about dinosaurs on Noah's pleasure cruise.

come up with some new material or I just repeat "you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination".......

Repeat whatever you want. It won't hide your inability to address a single, salient made in contention to your Ark tales.

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

Spamming the thread with the same childish nonsense.

You fundie zealots are a pathetic lot.

 

[PostmodernProph]

were you there?.....did you sleep through it?....

Is it possible for you to read the thread discussion and offer a relevant comment?

It's just pitiable that you YEC'ists will insist your bible tales and fables are true and inerrant Yet we both know that there is not a shred of credible evidence to support such absurdities.

/shrugs...the only possible comment relevant to your posts is that you don't know what you're talking about and have to lie about others to have something to post......even then, its merely repetitive......

So was it a global flood or not? And how do we know that Noah was 600 years old?

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

So where did the chinks, spooks, pigmies, bush people... Come from if they weren't on the ark?

??....you know the answer to that.....as people spread across the earth, living in different environments, they adapted.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

she started out knee deep........

And you're just angry because you can't string words into coherent sentences.

So tell us about dinosaurs on Noah's pleasure cruise.

come up with some new material or I just repeat "you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination".......

Repeat whatever you want. It won't hide your inability to address a single, salient made in contention to your Ark tales.

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

Spamming the thread with the same childish nonsense.

You fundie zealots are a pathetic lot.

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......

 

[Hollie]

Where are all your people? If you have humans producing as early as you say, with no flood, there should be trillions of people on earth. If on the other hand if repopulation began 4,400 years ago, there should be between 6-8 Billion people.

Actually, no. There is an upper limit to the population question you are implying. Yes, at first (or starting from an adequate population) Population growth is exponential. But given a limit on any availible resources such as food, space and other(there is alot) the population growth will slow down and eventually stop at a limiting pint. Improvements can increase this, suggesting that the population of the human race may have leveled off at numerous points in time and started growing again due to improvement in Technology.

But if yu consider the amount of foodstuff produced by the human race and tried to feed 6 billion from that measure, with the limited Technology of those days(or just the Hebrew Tech, which was actually inferior to their neighbors) and you would have mass starvation on an epic and global level.

That's not correct amr. This earth can sustain about 10 billion people at one time. At that point resources would start to cause a decline.
If the flood happened when the Bible said it did, we should have about 6 and 1/2 billion people today. I do believe we have reached around 7 billion.

Let me guess. You got that from Answers in Genesis.

 

[Hollie]

Is it possible for you to read the thread discussion and offer a relevant comment?

It's just pitiable that you YEC'ists will insist your bible tales and fables are true and inerrant Yet we both know that there is not a shred of credible evidence to support such absurdities.

/shrugs...the only possible comment relevant to your posts is that you don't know what you're talking about and have to lie about others to have something to post......even then, its merely repetitive......

So was it a global flood or not? And how do we know that Noah was 600 years old?

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

So where did the chinks, spooks, pigmies, bush people... Come from if they weren't on the ark?

??....you know the answer to that.....as people spread across the earth, living in different environments, they adapted.....

Even for a simpleton such as yourself, that was pointless and absurd.

Your silly bible tales would not account for the repopulation of the planet in a mere few thousand years.

 

[PostmodernProph]

/shrugs...the only possible comment relevant to your posts is that you don't know what you're talking about and have to lie about others to have something to post......even then, its merely repetitive......

So was it a global flood or not? And how do we know that Noah was 600 years old?

it was wide spread enough to kill all the human beings not on the ark........did it touch the top of Mt Everest?......no.......

So where did the chinks, spooks, pigmies, bush people... Come from if they weren't on the ark?

??....you know the answer to that.....as people spread across the earth, living in different environments, they adapted.....

Even for a simpleton such as yourself, that was pointless and absurd.

Your silly bible tales would not account for the repopulation of the planet in a mere few thousand years.

you're just a tiresome troll with no imagination.......incapable of debating without pretending everyone is a young earther......