Question about Ted Cruz

And yet you are unable to do a simple search on the net? You need to get a refund on your education.

The U.S. Constitution provides as follows:

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalised in May 2014, last year and within MONTHS he was running for President. This is a man in his 40s, not a teenager....seems odd he didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship decades ago.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalized

Before then he was partially naturalized?

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014....I've lost the link now, I'll post it on.

So what? You never heard of dual citizenship?

Of course yes.

Well, when Cruz was born, Canada conveyed automatic citizenship on him because he was actually located in Canada. The US conveyed automatic citizenship on him because his mother was a US citizen who met the residence requirements. Easy-peasy.
 
The U.S. Constitution provides as follows:

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalised in May 2014, last year and within MONTHS he was running for President. This is a man in his 40s, not a teenager....seems odd he didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship decades ago.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalized

Before then he was partially naturalized?

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014....I've lost the link now, I'll post it on.

Ted Cruz must show naturalisation papers to keep US Senate seat.

Read the FULL article, it's all in there, the full story of his birth, his parents, his only renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Leaving aside whether or not I consider the Examiner to be gospel fact, the operative sentence is the one BEFORE the quote about renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Since the certificate only lists his parents place of birth and not their citizenship status, it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship since her birth.

Because Cruz would have to have had his citizenship conveyed upon him at birth by his citizen parent - in this case, his mother - it would be necessary for her to have actually BEEN a US citizen. If, at some point, she renounced her US citizenship and became a Canadian citizen instead, then she wouldn't be able to convey citizenship to her son.

However, the Examiner - not being a bastion of high journalistic or even English standards, apparently - does a bad job of really noting the OTHER operative point: if they exist. If Ted Cruz is a citizen at birth because his mother retained her US citizenship, then he was never naturalized, and there would be no naturalization papers to see. One assumes that, as in the example I gave in an earlier post of my brother-in-law, there is a paper trail somewhere of him ESTABLISHING his citizenship officially (ie. making it possible for him to be able to prove that he was born a citizen), but that's not the same thing.

Just FYI, you might want to be more careful what sources you rely on in the future.

Well I've never become aware of the Examiner previously, quite a bit of whats in the story is available elsewhere, I used their article because they mostly have everything all in one large article.

Yeah, along with a heavy dose of innuendo and just plain sloppy reportage.
 
Yes, it's time for you Liberal uneducated and low information folks to begin your smear campaign against Ted now that he is leading in a couple of the polls. That is what you loons do, smear attack whoever in the opposition party is the current leader. You are so predictable and so damned pathetic.

Except I'm not a Liberal nor on the Left, I'm on the Right.

Uneducated? Yes that's why I've got a History and Politics degree from Balliol College, Oxford University and also did a year at Heidelberg University, Germany.

Gosh you're very hyper-sensitive aren't you? Are YOU actually Ted Cruz himself or a relative of his? You've taken a normal questions exceptionally personally.

And yet you are unable to do a simple search on the net? You need to get a refund on your education.

Piss off, loser. She asked a polite question, and you need to contain your glee at having lucked into a correct answer for once in your miserable excuse for a life.

However, they don't seem to be correct....I just posted the link, as to what originally lead me to post the OP.

You posted a link to the Examiner. It's not quite as bad on the "conclusive proof" scale as linking to the National Enquirer or the Weekly World News, but it ain't linking to the NY Times (well, provided the byline doesn't read "Jayson Blair") or Forbes magazine or something like that, either.

I just did a post re. Examiner, I thought it encompassed all points in one article, I hadn't even known of the thing until it came up in one of the links.
 
The point is that Cruz's place of birth and the Constitutional questions are a freaking issue and his birth place is no freaking secret. Hooray for lefties for upholding Constitutional mandates in presidential elections but doesn't it seem that they are about seven years too late?

This whole "morals and principles" thing is really hard for them. It's just mean of you to expect them to master it as quickly as real people do.
 
Ted Cruz became 100% naturalized

Before then he was partially naturalized?

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014....I've lost the link now, I'll post it on.

Ted Cruz must show naturalisation papers to keep US Senate seat.

Read the FULL article, it's all in there, the full story of his birth, his parents, his only renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Leaving aside whether or not I consider the Examiner to be gospel fact, the operative sentence is the one BEFORE the quote about renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Since the certificate only lists his parents place of birth and not their citizenship status, it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship since her birth.

Because Cruz would have to have had his citizenship conveyed upon him at birth by his citizen parent - in this case, his mother - it would be necessary for her to have actually BEEN a US citizen. If, at some point, she renounced her US citizenship and became a Canadian citizen instead, then she wouldn't be able to convey citizenship to her son.

However, the Examiner - not being a bastion of high journalistic or even English standards, apparently - does a bad job of really noting the OTHER operative point: if they exist. If Ted Cruz is a citizen at birth because his mother retained her US citizenship, then he was never naturalized, and there would be no naturalization papers to see. One assumes that, as in the example I gave in an earlier post of my brother-in-law, there is a paper trail somewhere of him ESTABLISHING his citizenship officially (ie. making it possible for him to be able to prove that he was born a citizen), but that's not the same thing.

Just FYI, you might want to be more careful what sources you rely on in the future.

Well I've never become aware of the Examiner previously, quite a bit of whats in the story is available elsewhere, I used their article because they mostly have everything all in one large article.

Yeah, along with a heavy dose of innuendo and just plain sloppy reportage.

:eusa_doh:
 
As I commented, Cruz didn't naturalise until May, 2014.
Wrong.

You're wrong:

"It was not until May of 2014 that Senator Cruz filed the legal paperwork necessary to officially renounce his Canadian citizenship which was automatic at birth."

His Mother might also have become a Canadian citizen PRIOR to Ted's birth:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Well, then, it seems the burden of proof falls on his accusers to prove that his mother renounced her US citizenship, since it's hardly fair - or possible - to expect Mr. Cruz to prove a negative.

That's true.
 
Yes, it's time for you Liberal uneducated and low information folks to begin your smear campaign against Ted now that he is leading in a couple of the polls. That is what you loons do, smear attack whoever in the opposition party is the current leader. You are so predictable and so damned pathetic.

Except I'm not a Liberal nor on the Left, I'm on the Right.

Uneducated? Yes that's why I've got a History and Politics degree from Balliol College, Oxford University and also did a year at Heidelberg University, Germany.

Gosh you're very hyper-sensitive aren't you? Are YOU actually Ted Cruz himself or a relative of his? You've taken a normal questions exceptionally personally.

And yet you are unable to do a simple search on the net? You need to get a refund on your education.

The U.S. Constitution provides as follows:

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalised in May 2014, last year and within MONTHS he was running for President. This is a man in his 40s, not a teenager....seems odd he didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship decades ago.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalized

Before then he was partially naturalized?

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014....I've lost the link now, I'll post it on.

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014

Still waiting for your proof that before this he was only "partially naturalized".....
 
I don't think a woman should be president but I'll be voting for one in 2016 if Cruz is your choice. SOmetimes you have to make hard choices and I'll be forced too if this anti-science sack of shit gets near power.

I am a right leaning social conservative. I hate a lot of Hillary's social beliefs but Cruz is a fucking extremist like the isis level idiiot.


You won't win more then 10% of the center in 2016.
 
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Except I'm not a Liberal nor on the Left, I'm on the Right.

Uneducated? Yes that's why I've got a History and Politics degree from Balliol College, Oxford University and also did a year at Heidelberg University, Germany.

Gosh you're very hyper-sensitive aren't you? Are YOU actually Ted Cruz himself or a relative of his? You've taken a normal questions exceptionally personally.

And yet you are unable to do a simple search on the net? You need to get a refund on your education.

Piss off, loser. She asked a polite question, and you need to contain your glee at having lucked into a correct answer for once in your miserable excuse for a life.

However, they don't seem to be correct....I just posted the link, as to what originally lead me to post the OP.

You posted a link to the Examiner. It's not quite as bad on the "conclusive proof" scale as linking to the National Enquirer or the Weekly World News, but it ain't linking to the NY Times (well, provided the byline doesn't read "Jayson Blair") or Forbes magazine or something like that, either.

I just did a post re. Examiner, I thought it encompassed all points in one article, I hadn't even known of the thing until it came up in one of the links.

Always, ALWAYS, consider the source. Especially on the Internet.

Speaking as a writer whose husband has a degree in journalism, I can tell you that their writing was unforgivably vague, sloppy, and imprecise. Always a major warning sign.
 
The Natural Born Citizen Clause.

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, he's not a natural born United States citizen. His mother is American, his father a Cuban immigrant at the time of Ted's birth. This parentage doesn't matter, what matters is that Cruz was born outside of the United States and not on US soil or somewhere considered US soil, such an a military base etc.

Cruz only ceased to be a Canadian citizen on May 14th, 2014.

I know that Senators, Congresspeople and Governor's can be non-United States born. However for the office of President and Vice-President only United States born people are eligible.

So the question is, how is Cruz being allowed to run for President?


Your basic premise is incorrect.

He could be born anywhere on the planet and still be a citizen.

But according to the US Constitution NOT be eligible to be President or Vice-President.

But according to the US Constitution NOT be eligible to be President or Vice-President.

Why do you think that?
The requirement is birth, not naturalized citizenship.

They added this:

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

As I commented, Cruz didn't naturalise until May, 2014.
I believe that kanuck had read Green Eggs and Ham in our upper chamber as a Canadian. That's treasonous.
 
The Natural Born Citizen Clause.

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, he's not a natural born United States citizen. His mother is American, his father a Cuban immigrant at the time of Ted's birth. This parentage doesn't matter, what matters is that Cruz was born outside of the United States and not on US soil or somewhere considered US soil, such an a military base etc.

Cruz only ceased to be a Canadian citizen on May 14th, 2014.

I know that Senators, Congresspeople and Governor's can be non-United States born. However for the office of President and Vice-President only United States born people are eligible.

So the question is, how is Cruz being allowed to run for President?


Your basic premise is incorrect.

He could be born anywhere on the planet and still be a citizen.

Can he be a natural born citizen though?

Seriously, I'd like to know.

George Romney was a candidate, and he was born in Mexico.

McCain was born in Panama, though one could argue that it was under the jurisdiction of the United States, since he was born in the Canal Zone.
Over the centuries this has been clarified to a degree....

It is my understanding that if you are a Citizen at BIRTH, you are a Natural Born citizen.

So, if the law states children born to an American citizen, are citizens at BIRTH, no matter the country they may be birthed, then they are Natural Born citizens.

Cruz was a Citizen at BIRTH, Cruz IS A Natural Born citizen.
 
As I commented, Cruz didn't naturalise until May, 2014.
Wrong.

You're wrong:

"It was not until May of 2014 that Senator Cruz filed the legal paperwork necessary to officially renounce his Canadian citizenship which was automatic at birth."

His Mother might also have become a Canadian citizen PRIOR to Ted's birth:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Well, then, it seems the burden of proof falls on his accusers to prove that his mother renounced her US citizenship, since it's hardly fair - or possible - to expect Mr. Cruz to prove a negative.

That's true.
And yet you are unable to do a simple search on the net? You need to get a refund on your education.

The U.S. Constitution provides as follows:

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalised in May 2014, last year and within MONTHS he was running for President. This is a man in his 40s, not a teenager....seems odd he didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship decades ago.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalized

Before then he was partially naturalized?

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014....I've lost the link now, I'll post it on.

Ted Cruz must show naturalisation papers to keep US Senate seat.

Read the FULL article, it's all in there, the full story of his birth, his parents, his only renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Leaving aside whether or not I consider the Examiner to be gospel fact, the operative sentence is the one BEFORE the quote about renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Since the certificate only lists his parents place of birth and not their citizenship status, it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship since her birth.

Because Cruz would have to have had his citizenship conveyed upon him at birth by his citizen parent - in this case, his mother - it would be necessary for her to have actually BEEN a US citizen. If, at some point, she renounced her US citizenship and became a Canadian citizen instead, then she wouldn't be able to convey citizenship to her son.

However, the Examiner - not being a bastion of high journalistic or even English standards, apparently - does a bad job of really noting the OTHER operative point: if they exist. If Ted Cruz is a citizen at birth because his mother retained her US citizenship, then he was never naturalized, and there would be no naturalization papers to see. One assumes that, as in the example I gave in an earlier post of my brother-in-law, there is a paper trail somewhere of him ESTABLISHING his citizenship officially (ie. making it possible for him to be able to prove that he was born a citizen), but that's not the same thing.

Just FYI, you might want to be more careful what sources you rely on in the future.

What ABOUT Time Magazine then? It's shorter the article, still seems odd to wait so long.

Ted Cruz Renounces Newly Discovered Canadian Citizenship.

Ted Cruz Renounces Newly Discovered Canadian Citizenship

Then there's Snopes.

Northern Exposure











 
I bet it's pretty easy to find a copy of Cruz's birth certificate. Low information radical lefties who rely on Huffington and Media Matters for information might be shocked to find that former republican presidential candidate John McCain wasn't born in the USA either.


I know what you mean about those low information birthers.

The left dismissed "birthers" and now they are apparently worried about "secret evidence"? I'l tell you where you can find "secret evidence". Open the freaking safe that holds Barry Hussein's birth certificate document and allow experts to determine if it is authentic.
 
He was born to a citizen parent. End of discussion. She can be in anywhere from angola to zanzibar to anyplace in between. He was born to her
My niece is such a citizen, but I think she naturalized under those rules you mention. Something like this:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

The constitution calls for natural born Americans (not naturalized). I have a problem with the fact he was Canadian all the way up til last year, moreover. He was no baby last year.

Did you even read your own link, Mensa Boy?

First sentence after the header:

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth.

First sentence after the second header:

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth.

I don't know which one applies to your niece, but the last one applies to Cruz.

If your niece had to acquire citizenship, then that means she and/or her parents did not meet the requirements in some fashion. It's possible what she ACTUALLY had to aquire was legal recognition (ie. paperwork proof) of her citizenship. My brother-in-law was born in a hospital in Japan while my father-in-law was stationed there in the Air Force. He was a citizen at birth, but that didn't mean there wasn't paperwork to wade through to make sure everyone knew it.
I see.

So it won't be a TKO.

I'll retreat to the fact that he just jettisoned his Canadianism last year. I don't think I should be trusted to be president since I decided to hold foreign docs this long. I'm one foot in and one foot out. That's not presidential.

I wonder if he's ever traveled on his Canadian papers.
 
The Natural Born Citizen Clause.

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, he's not a natural born United States citizen. His mother is American, his father a Cuban immigrant at the time of Ted's birth. This parentage doesn't matter, what matters is that Cruz was born outside of the United States and not on US soil or somewhere considered US soil, such an a military base etc.

Cruz only ceased to be a Canadian citizen on May 14th, 2014.

I know that Senators, Congresspeople and Governor's can be non-United States born. However for the office of President and Vice-President only United States born people are eligible.

So the question is, how is Cruz being allowed to run for President?

Yes, it's time for you Liberal uneducated and low information folks to begin your smear campaign against Ted now that he is leading in a couple of the polls. That is what you loons do, smear attack whoever in the opposition party is the current leader. You are so predictable and so damned pathetic.

Except I'm not a Liberal nor on the Left, I'm on the Right.

Uneducated? Yes that's why I've got a History and Politics degree from Balliol College, Oxford University and also did a year at Heidelberg University, Germany.

Gosh you're very hyper-sensitive aren't you? Are YOU actually Ted Cruz himself or a relative of his? You've taken a normal questions exceptionally personally.

And yet you are unable to do a simple search on the net? You need to get a refund on your education.

The U.S. Constitution provides as follows:

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalised in May 2014, last year and within MONTHS he was running for President. This is a man in his 40s, not a teenager....seems odd he didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship decades ago.

Where in the name of all that's holy did you get this whack-job definition of "naturalized"? I assure you, it does not in any way mean, "having renounced any dual citizenship".

It appears he wasn't actually aware of it until a Texas newspaper brought the issue up in an article. I'm still looking for the reason why he and his parents were under the impression that he had not been automatically granted Canadian citizenship at birth. Could just be that they didn't know Canadian law, and didn't give it much thought. No clue. But it's pretty clear that as soon as he became aware that Canadian law at the time of his birth did, in fact, convey dual citizenship, he began the process of renouncing it, and nine months later, it was done.

Here's the article, which actually does an excellent job of clearly explaining the citizenship laws of all countries involved in Ted Cruz's birth. I assume it's the article that originally sparked his renunciation, since it's dated in August of 2013.

Dual citizenship may pose problem if Ted Cruz seeks presidency

Okay, here's his statement on why he hadn't renounced it previously. Apparently, I was correct in that he didn't know Canadian citizenship law, and never thought enough about it to look it up.

“Given the raft of stories today about my birth certificate, it must be a slow news day. The facts of my birth are straightforward: I was born in 1970 in Calgary, Canada. Because my mother was a U.S. citizen, born in Delaware, I was a U.S. citizen by birth. When I was a kid, my Mom told me that I could choose to claim Canadian citizenship if I wanted. I got my U.S. passport in high school.

“Because I was a U.S. citizen at birth, because I left Calgary when I was 4 and have lived my entire life since then in the U.S., and because I have never taken affirmative steps to claim Canadian citizenship, I assumed that was the end of the matter.

“Now the Dallas Morning News says that I may technically have dual citizenship. Assuming that is true, then sure, I will renounce any Canadian citizenship. Nothing against Canada, but I’m an American by birth and as a U.S. Senator, I believe I should be only an American.”

Ted Cruz renounces Canadian citizenship

Hope that helps.
 
He was born to a citizen parent. End of discussion. She can be in anywhere from angola to zanzibar to anyplace in between. He was born to her
My niece is such a citizen, but I think she naturalized under those rules you mention. Something like this:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

The constitution calls for natural born Americans (not naturalized). I have a problem with the fact he was Canadian all the way up til last year, moreover. He was no baby last year.

Did you even read your own link, Mensa Boy?

First sentence after the header:

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth.

First sentence after the second header:

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth.

I don't know which one applies to your niece, but the last one applies to Cruz.

If your niece had to acquire citizenship, then that means she and/or her parents did not meet the requirements in some fashion. It's possible what she ACTUALLY had to aquire was legal recognition (ie. paperwork proof) of her citizenship. My brother-in-law was born in a hospital in Japan while my father-in-law was stationed there in the Air Force. He was a citizen at birth, but that didn't mean there wasn't paperwork to wade through to make sure everyone knew it.
I see.

So it won't be a TKO.

I'll retreat to the fact that he just jettisoned his Canadianism last year. I don't think I should be trusted to be president since I decided to hold foreign docs this long. I'm one foot in and one foot out. That's not presidential.

I wonder if he's ever traveled on his Canadian papers.

Or lied about his citizenship on college application documents.
 
He was born to a citizen parent. End of discussion. She can be in anywhere from angola to zanzibar to anyplace in between. He was born to her
My niece is such a citizen, but I think she naturalized under those rules you mention. Something like this:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

The constitution calls for natural born Americans (not naturalized). I have a problem with the fact he was Canadian all the way up til last year, moreover. He was no baby last year.

Did you even read your own link, Mensa Boy?

First sentence after the header:

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth.

First sentence after the second header:

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth.

I don't know which one applies to your niece, but the last one applies to Cruz.

If your niece had to acquire citizenship, then that means she and/or her parents did not meet the requirements in some fashion. It's possible what she ACTUALLY had to aquire was legal recognition (ie. paperwork proof) of her citizenship. My brother-in-law was born in a hospital in Japan while my father-in-law was stationed there in the Air Force. He was a citizen at birth, but that didn't mean there wasn't paperwork to wade through to make sure everyone knew it.
I see.

So it won't be a TKO.

I'll retreat to the fact that he just jettisoned his Canadianism last year. I don't think I should be trusted to be president since I decided to hold foreign docs this long. I'm one foot in and one foot out. That's not presidential.

I wonder if he's ever traveled on his Canadian papers.

You were correct in one regard: you don't think.

He doesn't HAVE any Canadian papers, and never has had. That's basically why he didn't realize he still technically held dual citizenship: because he never did anything about claiming it, and has never studied - or even researched, apparently - Canadian citizenship laws.

It sounds odd, but on the other hand, there are countries - like Cuba, his father's birthplace - where, if you do not claim your citizenship status within a certain amount of time of a birth abroad (and renounce all other citizenship), it becomes invalid.
 
As I commented, Cruz didn't naturalise until May, 2014.
Wrong.

You're wrong:

"It was not until May of 2014 that Senator Cruz filed the legal paperwork necessary to officially renounce his Canadian citizenship which was automatic at birth."

His Mother might also have become a Canadian citizen PRIOR to Ted's birth:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Well, then, it seems the burden of proof falls on his accusers to prove that his mother renounced her US citizenship, since it's hardly fair - or possible - to expect Mr. Cruz to prove a negative.

That's true.
The U.S. Constitution provides as follows:

Article II Section 1 Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalised in May 2014, last year and within MONTHS he was running for President. This is a man in his 40s, not a teenager....seems odd he didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship decades ago.

Ted Cruz became 100% naturalized

Before then he was partially naturalized?

Yes, it says he renounced his Canadian citizenship in May, 2014....I've lost the link now, I'll post it on.

Ted Cruz must show naturalisation papers to keep US Senate seat.

Read the FULL article, it's all in there, the full story of his birth, his parents, his only renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat

Leaving aside whether or not I consider the Examiner to be gospel fact, the operative sentence is the one BEFORE the quote about renouncing his Canadian citizenship in 2014:

Since the certificate only lists his parents place of birth and not their citizenship status, it has just merely been assumed that his mother retained her US citizenship since her birth.

Because Cruz would have to have had his citizenship conveyed upon him at birth by his citizen parent - in this case, his mother - it would be necessary for her to have actually BEEN a US citizen. If, at some point, she renounced her US citizenship and became a Canadian citizen instead, then she wouldn't be able to convey citizenship to her son.

However, the Examiner - not being a bastion of high journalistic or even English standards, apparently - does a bad job of really noting the OTHER operative point: if they exist. If Ted Cruz is a citizen at birth because his mother retained her US citizenship, then he was never naturalized, and there would be no naturalization papers to see. One assumes that, as in the example I gave in an earlier post of my brother-in-law, there is a paper trail somewhere of him ESTABLISHING his citizenship officially (ie. making it possible for him to be able to prove that he was born a citizen), but that's not the same thing.

Just FYI, you might want to be more careful what sources you rely on in the future.

What ABOUT Time Magazine then? It's shorter the article, still seems odd to wait so long.

Ted Cruz Renounces Newly Discovered Canadian Citizenship.

Ted Cruz Renounces Newly Discovered Canadian Citizenship

Then there's Snopes.

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Oh. He just learned he had it? This is becoming a nothing.
 
The Natural Born Citizen Clause.

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, he's not a natural born United States citizen. His mother is American, his father a Cuban immigrant at the time of Ted's birth. This parentage doesn't matter, what matters is that Cruz was born outside of the United States and not on US soil or somewhere considered US soil, such an a military base etc.

Cruz only ceased to be a Canadian citizen on May 14th, 2014.

I know that Senators, Congresspeople and Governor's can be non-United States born. However for the office of President and Vice-President only United States born people are eligible.

So the question is, how is Cruz being allowed to run for President?


Your basic premise is incorrect.

He could be born anywhere on the planet and still be a citizen.

But according to the US Constitution NOT be eligible to be President or Vice-President.

But according to the US Constitution NOT be eligible to be President or Vice-President.

Why do you think that?
The requirement is birth, not naturalized citizenship.

They added this:

Amendment XIV Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

As I commented, Cruz didn't naturalise until May, 2014.

You need to look up "naturalize", because it sure as hell doesn't mean what you think it means.

From Merriam-Webster:

1 : to confer the rights of a national on; especially : to admit to citizenship

Under that definition, Cruz was never naturalized at all, because he was already a US citizen the moment he left his mother's birth canal. Note that nowhere is "renouncing dual citizenship" mentioned.

To get more in-depth and specific, we have Black's Law Dictionary's definition of "naturalized citizen":

One who, being an alien by birth, has received citizenship under the laws of the state or nation.

Again, this does not apply to Cruz, since he was a US citizen at birth, not an alien. Note again that it doesn't say a damned thing about "renouncing dual citizenship".

You need to stop making up your own definitions and legal requirements and trying to project them onto the world.
 
He was born to a citizen parent. End of discussion. She can be in anywhere from angola to zanzibar to anyplace in between. He was born to her
My niece is such a citizen, but I think she naturalized under those rules you mention. Something like this:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

The constitution calls for natural born Americans (not naturalized). I have a problem with the fact he was Canadian all the way up til last year, moreover. He was no baby last year.

Did you even read your own link, Mensa Boy?

First sentence after the header:

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth.

First sentence after the second header:

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth.

I don't know which one applies to your niece, but the last one applies to Cruz.

If your niece had to acquire citizenship, then that means she and/or her parents did not meet the requirements in some fashion. It's possible what she ACTUALLY had to aquire was legal recognition (ie. paperwork proof) of her citizenship. My brother-in-law was born in a hospital in Japan while my father-in-law was stationed there in the Air Force. He was a citizen at birth, but that didn't mean there wasn't paperwork to wade through to make sure everyone knew it.
I see.

So it won't be a TKO.

I'll retreat to the fact that he just jettisoned his Canadianism last year. I don't think I should be trusted to be president since I decided to hold foreign docs this long. I'm one foot in and one foot out. That's not presidential.

I wonder if he's ever traveled on his Canadian papers.

You were correct in one regard: you don't think.

He doesn't HAVE any Canadian papers, and never has had. That's basically why he didn't realize he still technically held dual citizenship: because he never did anything about claiming it, and has never studied - or even researched, apparently - Canadian citizenship laws.

It sounds odd, but on the other hand, there are countries - like Cuba, his father's birthplace - where, if you do not claim your citizenship status within a certain amount of time of a birth abroad (and renounce all other citizenship), it becomes invalid.
Oh noooo, I've evoked the wraith of Cee! I'm just finding out that he didn't know about the foreign rights.

That's how I got Dutch rights < 14 y/o.
 

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