Question for everyone: Should the United States have open borders?

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• dblack

• Imissbush

• Likkmee

• Ecocertifmrl

these people voted yes

as in 'yes, we are the dumbest people here'

 

[bripat9643]

But there is a difference. Now, there are fresh water shortages all over the world, have been for 30 years. The two demographics most rapidly "expanding" because they keep having big families are the same two demographics immigrating to whatever country takes them. It is their fault that their countries are overpopulated. Letting them in here just guarantees the US will suffer the same fate.

Shut the doors.

The planet is overpopulated now.

The planet is not over populated

It is overpopulated - and it will be much more worse soon. The population growth worldwide is not only exponential it is even hyperbolic.

and America is a nation of immigrants.

How many immigrants and how many grew up in the USA?

We are not overpopulated. Everybody here today is either an immigrant or a descendent of one. Except the Native American tribes.

The are also immigrants, moron. All the native tribes replaced earlier races of people. The evidence is pretty strong that the first Americans were caucasionsfrom Europe.

The American people decide whether we are overpopulated, and they have decided we have had enough immigration.

The evidence on stormfront might show that, but that's the same evidence that will tell you how caucaisans from Europe were the first to populate Africa. The American people have not made such a decision.

I've never even been to stormfront, you dumb jackass. As always, the brain damaged leftist who can't support his claims with facts and logic resorts to cheap taunts and accusations of racism.

You have just demonstrated why leftists are all despicable pieces of shit who need to be scraped off the bottom of your shoe.

Scientific facts are not determined by majority vote, except among leftists, you fucking moron.

 

[there4eyeM]

Some would just like to open fire.

 

[zaangalewa]

If we didn't let people seek asylum or get away from bad situations to come here, you would not be here now. That is the essence of America and what you believe is un American.

But there is a difference. Now, there are fresh water shortages all over the world, have been for 30 years. The two demographics most rapidly "expanding" because they keep having big families are the same two demographics immigrating to whatever country takes them. It is their fault that their countries are overpopulated. Letting them in here just guarantees the US will suffer the same fate.

Shut the doors.

The planet is overpopulated now.

The planet is not over populated

It is overpopulated - and it will be much more worse soon. The population growth worldwide is not only exponential it is even hyperbolic.

and America is a nation of immigrants.

How many immigrants and how many grew up in the USA?

We are not overpopulated.

Planet Earth is overpopulated. The human race is causing a very dramatic species extinction and the human race overheats the planet.

Everybody here today is either an immigrant or a descendent of one. Except the Native American tribes.

You live in the past. The USA is meanwhile not a little world any longer. You are US-Americans - that's all.

 

[bripat9643]

Then what does that sentance mean?

Just what it says. The only way I am for closed borders is if no one can get in.

So once they get in, then you want to grant them full citizenship?

Only if they are seeking asylum and have not committed a serious crime.

Then they will all seek asylum. I fail to understand why we should let a single one of them into our country.

So? If we didn't let people seek asylum or get away from bad situations to come here, you would not be here now. That is the essence of America and what you believe is un American.

"That is the essence of America" is just another dumbass open borders slogan. It proves nothing. The fact that the country did something once doesn't mean it has to do it forever. This people are not being persecuted. They simply want to cash in on American jobs that Americans built with their sweat and blood. You have yet to give a credible justification for allowing them entry.

 

[bripat9643]

If we didn't let people seek asylum or get away from bad situations to come here, you would not be here now. That is the essence of America and what you believe is un American.

But there is a difference. Now, there are fresh water shortages all over the world, have been for 30 years. The two demographics most rapidly "expanding" because they keep having big families are the same two demographics immigrating to whatever country takes them. It is their fault that their countries are overpopulated. Letting them in here just guarantees the US will suffer the same fate.

Shut the doors.

The planet is overpopulated now.

The planet is not over populated

It is overpopulated - and it will be much more worse soon. The population growth worldwide is not only exponential it is even hyperbolic.

and America is a nation of immigrants.

How many immigrants and how many grew up in the USA?

We are not overpopulated.

Planet Earth is overpopulated. The human race is causing a very dramatic species extinction and the human race overheats the planet.

Everybody here today is either an immigrant or a descendent of one. Except the Native American tribes.

You live in the past. The USA is meanwhile not a little world any longer. You are US-Americans - that's all.

So you want to let more people into our high consumption society to make the process go even faster?

You're an imbecile, of course.

 

[bripat9643]

Youre uneducated. They are not illegal if they are seeking asylum.

If they're lying about the reason, they are breaking the law, and almost all of them are lying about the reason. They want access to our weflare and good jobs. They aren't being persecuted in their home countries any more than the rest of the population.

Can you prove that claim that all or most are lying?

No, he can't prove it.

Then they will all seek asylum. I fail to understand why we should let a single one of them into our country.

Such is life.

You fail to understand a lot of things because you arent that bright. Immigrants are the life blood of this country.

Horseshit. Immigrants from South of the Border have done virtually nothing for this country.

Well we all know you arent very bright so I am not really interested in your opinion. I need some proof of that statement.

vitually everything you know is wrong. I have proved it hundreds of times, like your claim that Egyptians are black people.

Thats not proof at all that immigrants from south of the border have done virtually nothing for this country.

I don't have to prove they didn't. You have to prove they did. It's obvious you can't think of a single thing they have conributed to this country.

Who do you think you're fooling?

 

[there4eyeM]

When transportation by air becomes as easy as by automobile, all your border ideas are going to be transcended. Better make sure people are happy to live where they are, in peace and with the hope of a survivable tomorrow.
As for the population? No use debating it now, nature will sort it out if humans remain too unintelligent to do it nicely. Biology 101 teaches that the numbers of any organism mount until a precipitous decline ensues. If were are as incapable of controlling our reproduction as bacteria are, we will follow the same rule.

 

[there4eyeM]

Immigrant labor has always contributed to profits for those who exploit it. Some may find that a "contribution".

 

[zaangalewa]

But there is a difference. Now, there are fresh water shortages all over the world, have been for 30 years. The two demographics most rapidly "expanding" because they keep having big families are the same two demographics immigrating to whatever country takes them. It is their fault that their countries are overpopulated. Letting them in here just guarantees the US will suffer the same fate.

Shut the doors.

The planet is overpopulated now.

The planet is not over populated

It is overpopulated - and it will be much more worse soon. The population growth worldwide is not only exponential it is even hyperbolic.

and America is a nation of immigrants.

How many immigrants and how many grew up in the USA?

We are not overpopulated.

Planet Earth is overpopulated. The human race is causing a very dramatic species extinction and the human race overheats the planet.

Everybody here today is either an immigrant or a descendent of one. Except the Native American tribes.

You live in the past. The USA is meanwhile not a little world any longer. You are US-Americans - that's all.

So you want to let more people into our high consumption society to make the process go even faster?

You're an imbecile, of course.

Nevertheless is the planet overpopulated and the hyperbolic population growth causes and will cause more and more dramatically situations.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong. You're for open borders. You admit it all the time.

Actually, super dingbat dupe, I am 4 ending illegal immigration immediately with a SS ID card that cannot be faked, the only solution, with tough enforcement. And amnesty 4 Worthy immigrants who are very important 2 our economy. You are a brainwashed functional moron. The GOP appears to want this mess to go on forever....

In other words, you're for open borders. There will never be tough enforcement of employer sanctions. If you support your moronic I.D., then why not support E verify? Of course, your filthy party supports neither of these. You can't name a single enforcement measure they support. Voting Democrat means you support open-borders. It's as simple as that.

The GOP will never do anything good... The Democrats support an ID card, they support E verify, they support anything but stupidity and cruelty.

The Dim party opposes both things, moron. The only thing it actually supports is open borders. They just got done crying like petulant little children because they insisted that Trump implement catch and release by executive order.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Link to any Democrats saying that, super duper? The GOP blocks any ID card every time...

E-VERIFY VICTORY -- 8 Senators Switch Sides Since March Defeat

Sen. Schumer (D-N.Y.) is the Democrats' leader who is expected to introduce his "comprehensive immigration reform" amnesty legislation later this year. Amazingly, he tried to get all Democrats today to vote against the E-Verify mandate because he said E-Verify isn't TOUGH enough. Can you believe it?​

 

[bripat9643]

Immigrant labor has always contributed to profits for those who exploit it. Some may find that a "contribution".

In other words, they contribute to lower wages.

No dice, asshole.

 

[bripat9643]

When transportation by air becomes as easy as by automobile, all your border ideas are going to be transcended. Better make sure people are happy to live where they are, in peace and with the hope of a survivable tomorrow.
As for the population? No use debating it now, nature will sort it out if humans remain too unintelligent to do it nicely. Biology 101 teaches that the numbers of any organism mount until a precipitous decline ensues. If were are as incapable of controlling our reproduction as bacteria are, we will follow the same rule.

Horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

OMG! We're being invaded by hard working honest people looking for a better way of life!

We ought to be jelious of those people who got invaded by hordes of tanks and soldiers back in the good ole 1930s! They couldn't imagine the horros that we're going thru!

Yeah, dipshit. When they enter illegally en-masse it's akin to an invasion. If they want to come here for a better life there is a legal process for doing that. It starts with obtaining an Immigrant Visa at the US Consulate in their country of origin. Amazingly, it is an existing pathway to legal US citizenship.

So the Irish, Italians, Jews and every other ethinic group that migrated here in mass constitutued some sort of an invasion? Or is the fact that they filled out the paper work magically changed that?

I'm sure that the choice to travel from their homes, across Mexico, to the U.S. border risking death, injury and imprisonment was jsut SO MUCh easier than going to the U.S. Consulate and applying for a visa.

DO you understand that these people are desparate? That they fear for their lives and that the choices they made were brutal but they were the only possible choices for them?

My wife migrated here following the legal process. But she was not in fear for her life. She was able to wait the months and months that it took for the legal process. They can not.

Your whole premise is wrong. You are attempting to blame U.S. foreign policies from 30 years ago for today’s problems in Central American countries. That’s more than a generation ago. Those governments have changed over serval times since then. The naked truth is that they are fleeing from their own failed culture, but they are bringing that culture with them.

The other bare truth is that the Corrupt Democratic Party needs more poor exploitable voters. If these illegal aliens were future Republican voters the Democrats would insist that we enforce our immigration laws. America already has enough poor people.

We have a 100% right to control our border crossings and immigration. No one has the right to break our immigration laws.

There is nothing short of open borders that will satisfy the Democrats, and that is very dangerous and damaging.

Richard is one of those commies who is still wallowing in the 1950s and 1960s.

They are fleeing huge drug cartels and gangs and the highest murder rates in the world, super dupe. Change the channel.

Who cares what they are fleeing? They wouldn't have huge drug cartels, gangs and high murder rates if their government wasn't so thoroughly corrupt. let them fix their own country. We have no reason to admit them to ours. The problem with Mexico is that it's full of Mexicans, and you want to bring their social pathology here.

Anyone who supports this is a major fucking idiot.

 

[Mac1958]

This country is going to look very, very different, 20, 30, 40 years down the road. It will also BE very, very different in those time frames.

This stuff is all very interesting to watch unfold, but it's largely academic at this point.

 

[gipper]

What the hell are you smoking? Show me where I said anyone is for open borders...

On the other hand Democrats can certainly do strict, just not cruel or stupid.

Your Messiah deported more than Trump has.

But Trump has separated more families for no reason, that's the stupid and cruel part. Pass the 2010 democratic immigration bill with SS ID card and end illegal immigration, Dunces.

You are wrong AGAIN.

Read this editorial from The Old "liberal" Grey Lady....
Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers
By The Editorial Board

• July 18, 2016

And the centers stand on dubious legal ground. Last year, a district judge ruled that the administration was violating a 1997 court-ordered settlement, called the Flores agreement, that governs the treatment of underage migrants who seek asylum or enter the country illegally. The judge said the children were being held for too long, and ordered the administration to release them as quickly as possible to the care of relatives or other guardians as their cases move through the immigration courts.

The administration appealed, saying that the agreement applied only to children who had crossed the border alone, not those who were accompanied by parents or other adult relatives. On July 6, the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit disagreed, upholding the district ruling that Flores covers all children, accompanied or not. But it said the administration could still detain their parents.
Opinion | Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

Except you are the one wrong.

The family detention centers the Obama administration has been operating in Texas and Pennsylvania have been an expedient way to handle the soaring numbers of Central Americans, many of them young children, who have arrived at the Southern border since 2014.

These were family detention centers.

Which leaves things pretty much where they were — unsettled, unsatisfactory, unfit for a country that aspires (or once did, anyway) to be an example to the world in its welcome for desperate refugees. The administration hasn’t said whether it will appeal, but it’s hard to imagine that it will use the appeals court ruling to break up families — sending children to foster care, maybe, while continuing to hold their mothers behind bars.

Opinion | Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

Obama did not break up families. Now we can debate how Obama was wrong for doing this, even as Trump is the president now in order to avoid another Trump failure, and that would be fair, but to lie and claim Obama did what Trump did is not. Because he did not.

You can quibble about how Big Ears handled the crisis, to protect your Messiah. It is a minor difference and one only a partisan would make. He detained children in prisons just as Donnie Tiny Hands is doing. Separating child from their mothers may be new but I tend to doubt it, though I can't find media reports proving my doubts. Many child are arriving alone...so they are already separated from their parents.

This again from the liberal Old Grey Lady....

A Judge’s Rebuke of Immigration Detention


By The Editorial Board

• Aug. 5, 2015

Children do not belong in prison. The mass detention of families offends American values, a lesson this country learned long ago at Manzanar, Tule Lake, Heart Mountain and the other Japanese-American internment camps of World War II.

Learned, but apparently forgotten by the Obama administration, which has just been ordered by a federal judge to release several hundred women and children locked up in its immigration detention centers in southern Texas. The centers, in Dilley and Karnes City, were thrown up hastily last year to contain a surge of families and unaccompanied children from Central America, many desperately seeking refuge from gang and drug and political violence at home.
Opinion | A Judge’s Rebuke of Immigration Detention

 

[Slyhunter]

On the other hand Democrats can certainly do strict, just not cruel or stupid.

Your Messiah deported more than Trump has.

But Trump has separated more families for no reason, that's the stupid and cruel part. Pass the 2010 democratic immigration bill with SS ID card and end illegal immigration, Dunces.

You are wrong AGAIN.

Read this editorial from The Old "liberal" Grey Lady....
Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers
By The Editorial Board

• July 18, 2016

And the centers stand on dubious legal ground. Last year, a district judge ruled that the administration was violating a 1997 court-ordered settlement, called the Flores agreement, that governs the treatment of underage migrants who seek asylum or enter the country illegally. The judge said the children were being held for too long, and ordered the administration to release them as quickly as possible to the care of relatives or other guardians as their cases move through the immigration courts.

The administration appealed, saying that the agreement applied only to children who had crossed the border alone, not those who were accompanied by parents or other adult relatives. On July 6, the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit disagreed, upholding the district ruling that Flores covers all children, accompanied or not. But it said the administration could still detain their parents.
Opinion | Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

Except you are the one wrong.

The family detention centers the Obama administration has been operating in Texas and Pennsylvania have been an expedient way to handle the soaring numbers of Central Americans, many of them young children, who have arrived at the Southern border since 2014.

These were family detention centers.

Which leaves things pretty much where they were — unsettled, unsatisfactory, unfit for a country that aspires (or once did, anyway) to be an example to the world in its welcome for desperate refugees. The administration hasn’t said whether it will appeal, but it’s hard to imagine that it will use the appeals court ruling to break up families — sending children to foster care, maybe, while continuing to hold their mothers behind bars.

Opinion | Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

Obama did not break up families. Now we can debate how Obama was wrong for doing this, even as Trump is the president now in order to avoid another Trump failure, and that would be fair, but to lie and claim Obama did what Trump did is not. Because he did not.

You can quibble about how Big Ears handled the crisis, to protect your Messiah. It is a minor difference and one only a partisan would make. He detained children in prisons just as Donnie Tiny Hands is doing. Separating child from their mothers may be new but I tend to doubt it, though I can't find media reports proving my doubts. Many child are arriving alone...so they are already separated from their parents.

This again from the liberal Old Grey Lady....

A Judge’s Rebuke of Immigration Detention


By The Editorial Board

• Aug. 5, 2015

Children do not belong in prison. The mass detention of families offends American values, a lesson this country learned long ago at Manzanar, Tule Lake, Heart Mountain and the other Japanese-American internment camps of World War II.

Learned, but apparently forgotten by the Obama administration, which has just been ordered by a federal judge to release several hundred women and children locked up in its immigration detention centers in southern Texas. The centers, in Dilley and Karnes City, were thrown up hastily last year to contain a surge of families and unaccompanied children from Central America, many desperately seeking refuge from gang and drug and political violence at home.
Opinion | A Judge’s Rebuke of Immigration Detention

They should be sent back home to their own countries.

 

[bripat9643]

The planet is not over populated

It is overpopulated - and it will be much more worse soon. The population growth worldwide is not only exponential it is even hyperbolic.

and America is a nation of immigrants.

How many immigrants and how many grew up in the USA?

We are not overpopulated.

Planet Earth is overpopulated. The human race is causing a very dramatic species extinction and the human race overheats the planet.

Everybody here today is either an immigrant or a descendent of one. Except the Native American tribes.

You live in the past. The USA is meanwhile not a little world any longer. You are US-Americans - that's all.

So you want to let more people into our high consumption society to make the process go even faster?

You're an imbecile, of course.

Nevertheless is the planet overpopulated and the hyperbolic population growth causes and will cause more and more dramatically situations.

What does that have to do with illegal aliens?

 

[gipper]

Your Messiah deported more than Trump has.

But Trump has separated more families for no reason, that's the stupid and cruel part. Pass the 2010 democratic immigration bill with SS ID card and end illegal immigration, Dunces.

You are wrong AGAIN.

Read this editorial from The Old "liberal" Grey Lady....
Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers
By The Editorial Board

• July 18, 2016

And the centers stand on dubious legal ground. Last year, a district judge ruled that the administration was violating a 1997 court-ordered settlement, called the Flores agreement, that governs the treatment of underage migrants who seek asylum or enter the country illegally. The judge said the children were being held for too long, and ordered the administration to release them as quickly as possible to the care of relatives or other guardians as their cases move through the immigration courts.

The administration appealed, saying that the agreement applied only to children who had crossed the border alone, not those who were accompanied by parents or other adult relatives. On July 6, the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit disagreed, upholding the district ruling that Flores covers all children, accompanied or not. But it said the administration could still detain their parents.
Opinion | Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

Except you are the one wrong.

The family detention centers the Obama administration has been operating in Texas and Pennsylvania have been an expedient way to handle the soaring numbers of Central Americans, many of them young children, who have arrived at the Southern border since 2014.

These were family detention centers.

Which leaves things pretty much where they were — unsettled, unsatisfactory, unfit for a country that aspires (or once did, anyway) to be an example to the world in its welcome for desperate refugees. The administration hasn’t said whether it will appeal, but it’s hard to imagine that it will use the appeals court ruling to break up families — sending children to foster care, maybe, while continuing to hold their mothers behind bars.

Opinion | Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

Obama did not break up families. Now we can debate how Obama was wrong for doing this, even as Trump is the president now in order to avoid another Trump failure, and that would be fair, but to lie and claim Obama did what Trump did is not. Because he did not.

You can quibble about how Big Ears handled the crisis, to protect your Messiah. It is a minor difference and one only a partisan would make. He detained children in prisons just as Donnie Tiny Hands is doing. Separating child from their mothers may be new but I tend to doubt it, though I can't find media reports proving my doubts. Many child are arriving alone...so they are already separated from their parents.

This again from the liberal Old Grey Lady....

A Judge’s Rebuke of Immigration Detention


By The Editorial Board

• Aug. 5, 2015

Children do not belong in prison. The mass detention of families offends American values, a lesson this country learned long ago at Manzanar, Tule Lake, Heart Mountain and the other Japanese-American internment camps of World War II.

Learned, but apparently forgotten by the Obama administration, which has just been ordered by a federal judge to release several hundred women and children locked up in its immigration detention centers in southern Texas. The centers, in Dilley and Karnes City, were thrown up hastily last year to contain a surge of families and unaccompanied children from Central America, many desperately seeking refuge from gang and drug and political violence at home.
Opinion | A Judge’s Rebuke of Immigration Detention

They should be sent back home to their own countries.

That won't do any good. They will just come back.

They come because their home countries are such a crime ridden mess. These countries are a mess because of Americans insatiable appetite for illegal drugs. The governments of these countries help them leave, because they know money will flow back to help extended family members.

Either we legalize drugs to terminate the cartels and criminal gangs running Central America, or the stinking US government disallows entry entirely. Doesn't seem that either option is in the works, so this will continue.

 

[there4eyeM]

We should publish some of these threads where people who think they want to live in the U.S. could read them. They might change their minds about living with such "persons".