Question for everyone: Should the United States have open borders?

[Wry Catcher]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

Once again stupidity and arrogance dominate your post. Honestly, I don't give a damn about the wall, per se, I don't like to see money put toward foolish projects.

If Trump really want to MAGA he would entice Congress to put money into infrastructure. Building shelters and upgrades to homes in Tornado Alley and the areas hit by hurricanes, large earthquakes and tsunamis; rebuilding the electric grid and protecting us from cyber attacks; building canals to protect communities from floods and create opportunities for recreation, transportation and commerce.

(example: The Official San Antonio River Walk | Explore San Antonio, Texas)

 

[dudmuck]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

You only read the first section of CATO report, the rest goes into practical considerations, efficacy and unintended consequences.

Besides, border crossings have been decreasing.
And most illegals are visa overstays.

Obama was the deporter-in-cheif.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

And it is the ONLY way they can get votes! Remember the Motor Voter Bill that Clinton signed?
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. §§ 20501–20511) (formerly 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg–1973gg-10), also known as the Motor Voter Act, is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, and which came into effect on January 1, 1995. The law was enacted under the Elections Clause of the United States Constitution. The law advances voting rights in the United States by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or applies for public assistance.National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia
It put millions of people on Demo voter rolls.
That's truly the only way they've been able to stay in existence, that and the extremely biased MSM that donated the following to the Democrats!

"In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump," the Center for Public Integrity said in a new report.
"Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton," the organization concluded. "$382,000."
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...s-from-the-media-than-donald-trump-study-says

Are you aware that journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism mostly have advanced degrees, and a code of ethics?

Are you aware that only nine Judges in the United States do not work under a code of ethics? Those nine are all on the US Supreme Court.

 

[Slyhunter]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

Once again stupidity and arrogance dominate your post. Honestly, I don't give a damn about the wall, per se, I don't like to see money put toward foolish projects.

If Trump really want to MAGA he would entice Congress to put money into infrastructure. Building shelters and upgrades to homes in Tornado Alley and the areas hit by hurricanes, large earthquakes and tsunamis; rebuilding the electric grid and protecting us from cyber attacks; building canals to protect communities from floods and create opportunities for recreation, transportation and commerce.

(example: The Official San Antonio River Walk | Explore San Antonio, Texas)

Dude your talking about a bottomless pit of need. No amount of money will fix everything you could come up with needing to fix. The wall is finite. Build it and they won't come anymore.

 

[Slyhunter]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

You only read the first section of CATO report, the rest goes into practical considerations, efficacy and unintended consequences.

Besides, border crossings have been decreasing.
And most illegals are visa overstays.

Obama was the deporter-in-cheif.

most drugs come in through the border illegally.
Most future welfare recipients come in through the border illegally. They can't afford visas.

 

[healthmyths]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

And it is the ONLY way they can get votes! Remember the Motor Voter Bill that Clinton signed?
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. §§ 20501–20511) (formerly 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg–1973gg-10), also known as the Motor Voter Act, is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, and which came into effect on January 1, 1995. The law was enacted under the Elections Clause of the United States Constitution. The law advances voting rights in the United States by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or applies for public assistance.National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia
It put millions of people on Demo voter rolls.
That's truly the only way they've been able to stay in existence, that and the extremely biased MSM that donated the following to the Democrats!

"In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump," the Center for Public Integrity said in a new report.
"Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton," the organization concluded. "$382,000."
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...s-from-the-media-than-donald-trump-study-says

Are you aware that journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism mostly have advanced degrees, and a code of ethics?

Are you aware that only nine Judges in the United States do not work under a code of ethics? Those nine are all on the US Supreme Court.

WOW... Code of Ethics?
Time Magazine ... Code of Ethics present false premise that little girl was separated from her mother by evil Donald Trump!
Time Magazine Refuses To Apologize For Misleading Trump Cover | TrumpTrain
And where was this "professional journalist editor's "ETHICS"???
Gordon Peterson: "What do you think, Evan? Are the mainstream media bashing the president unfairly?"
Evan Thomas: "Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do almost --"
Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President'

Now I have to point out to you I guess that there was ONLY ONE President during 2007... George Bush would you agree?

So when Thomas says our job is to bash the President...
Pretty damn clear that Thomas says that's what the MSM is suppose to do!

BUT when it came to Obama?
Evan Thomas "I mean in a way Obama's standing above the country, above above the world, he's sort of God."
Newsweek’s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ‘Sort of God’

So where is Thomas "Ethics"????
That statement they have advanced degrees and code of ethics is probably the most ridiculous statement I've recently read!

 

[Cosmos]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

Horseshit. You're just making flimsy excuses. Nobody expects absolute perfection.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

Once again stupidity and arrogance dominate your post. Honestly, I don't give a damn about the wall, per se, I don't like to see money put toward foolish projects.

If Trump really want to MAGA he would entice Congress to put money into infrastructure. Building shelters and upgrades to homes in Tornado Alley and the areas hit by hurricanes, large earthquakes and tsunamis; rebuilding the electric grid and protecting us from cyber attacks; building canals to protect communities from floods and create opportunities for recreation, transportation and commerce.

(example: The Official San Antonio River Walk | Explore San Antonio, Texas)

Whenever a snowflake says "in all honesty," what follows is a complete lie. If you were honest you would admit that you hate the wall because you know it will work. It will keep a hoard of new Democrat voters from invading this country to suck off the welfare tit and take American jobs.

The infrastructure jobs you propose won't increase the standard of living one iota, nor will they create one permanent job.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

And it is the ONLY way they can get votes! Remember the Motor Voter Bill that Clinton signed?
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. §§ 20501–20511) (formerly 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg–1973gg-10), also known as the Motor Voter Act, is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, and which came into effect on January 1, 1995. The law was enacted under the Elections Clause of the United States Constitution. The law advances voting rights in the United States by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or applies for public assistance.National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia
It put millions of people on Demo voter rolls.
That's truly the only way they've been able to stay in existence, that and the extremely biased MSM that donated the following to the Democrats!

"In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump," the Center for Public Integrity said in a new report.
"Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton," the organization concluded. "$382,000."
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...s-from-the-media-than-donald-trump-study-says

Are you aware that journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism mostly have advanced degrees, and a code of ethics?

Are you aware that only nine Judges in the United States do not work under a code of ethics? Those nine are all on the US Supreme Court.

They have a code of ethics? What does it say. Smear Republicans and ignore the crimes of Democrats?

 

[dudmuck]

Of course not, we need to have secure borders. But having fully secure borders is not possible. Trump's wall is an absurdity, the US has miles and miles of coastline, much of it too difficult and too expensive to secure, but not too difficult to breach. The border between Texas and California would require expensive technology, lots of guards and means to see under ground.

See: Pictures of tunnels between mexico and the us - Google Search

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

And it is the ONLY way they can get votes! Remember the Motor Voter Bill that Clinton signed?
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. §§ 20501–20511) (formerly 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg–1973gg-10), also known as the Motor Voter Act, is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, and which came into effect on January 1, 1995. The law was enacted under the Elections Clause of the United States Constitution. The law advances voting rights in the United States by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or applies for public assistance.National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia
It put millions of people on Demo voter rolls.
That's truly the only way they've been able to stay in existence, that and the extremely biased MSM that donated the following to the Democrats!

"In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump," the Center for Public Integrity said in a new report.
"Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton," the organization concluded. "$382,000."
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...s-from-the-media-than-donald-trump-study-says

$396,000? Thats such a paltry sum, its like urinating in the ocean.
Its no wonder journalists didnt donate much to Trump, considering how he demonized them right out of the gate in 2015.

Reality is that discourse has been poisoned by right-wing media.

 

[zaangalewa]

Planet Earth is overpopulated. The human race is causing a very dramatic species extinction and the human race overheats the planet.

You live in the past. The USA is meanwhile not a little world any longer. You are US-Americans - that's all.

So you want to let more people into our high consumption society to make the process go even faster?

You're an imbecile, of course.

Nevertheless is the planet overpopulated and the hyperbolic population growth causes and will cause more and more dramatically situations.

What does that have to do with illegal aliens?

You used this argument. You should know on your own why you used this argument and what it changes in your mind when you accept that this argument is wrong.

1% World population vs 99% Worldpopulation

"No debate on unequal wealth now"

What the fuck does your pic have to do with my argument? I simply posted a fact. More people emigrating here means more consumption and more pollution.

Again: The world is overpopulated. The population growth is not linear, it is not a parable, it is not an exponential function - it is even a hyperbolic function. The worst case scenario: Soon we will kill all living-conditions and all life on planet Earth! And your problem seems to be to pamper the vanity who is the greatest ape in the world: "America first".

 

[zaangalewa]

bripat9643

I read here just a moment ago the USA had arrested a Canadian woman, who accidentally had entered US-American territory while jogging. She was arrested for 2 weeks in the USA. Even when in former times someone accidentally had overstepped the iron curtain between East and West during the times of the cold war the Soviets had arrested someone only three days. What for heavens sake is going wrong in and with your country? What is the next step? That Canada has to arrest every US-American who pees on Canadian ground while travelling to Alaska?

 

[Papageorgio]

bripat9643

I read here just a moment ago the USA had arrested a Canadian woman, who accidentally had entered US-American territory while jogging. She was arrested for 2 weeks in the USA. Even when in former times someone accidentally had overstepped the iron curtain between East and West during the times of the cold war the Soviets had arrested someone only three days. What for heavens sake is going wrong in and with your country? What is the next step? That Canada has to arrest every US-American who pees on Canadian ground while travelling to Alaska?

The stories I looked up explained that Canada was having issues taking her back to Canada, and Canada finally agreed to allow her back into Canada. I’m surprised France didn’t step in, you would think her own country could of got her out of there and back to France

 

[zaangalewa]

bripat9643

I read here just a moment ago the USA had arrested a Canadian woman, who accidentally had entered US-American territory while jogging. She was arrested for 2 weeks in the USA. Even when in former times someone accidentally had overstepped the iron curtain between East and West during the times of the cold war the Soviets had arrested someone only three days. What for heavens sake is going wrong in and with your country? What is the next step? That Canada has to arrest every US-American who pees on Canadian ground while travelling to Alaska?

The stories I looked up explained that Canada was having issues taking her back to Canada, and Canada finally agreed to allow her back into Canada. I’m surprised France didn’t step in, you would think her own country could of got her out of there and back to France

Your empire kidnapped a lady, a member of the western world, because of the crime "jogging along the ocean without papers". You - the whole USA (=the extended Trump-empire) - is as criminal in my eyes as the Soviet empire was once criminal.

 

[Slyhunter]

So you want to let more people into our high consumption society to make the process go even faster?

You're an imbecile, of course.

Nevertheless is the planet overpopulated and the hyperbolic population growth causes and will cause more and more dramatically situations.

What does that have to do with illegal aliens?

You used this argument. You should know on your own why you used this argument and what it changes in your mind when you accept that this argument is wrong.

1% World population vs 99% Worldpopulation

"No debate on unequal wealth now"

What the fuck does your pic have to do with my argument? I simply posted a fact. More people emigrating here means more consumption and more pollution.

Again: The world is overpopulated. The population growth is not linear, it is not a parable, it is not an exponential function - it is even a hyperbolic function. The worst case scenario: Soon we will kill all living-conditions and all life on planet Earth! And your problem seems to be to pamper the vanity who is the greatest ape in the world: "America first".

The world is not overpopulated. The Shorelines are overpopulated. There is a big area called Fly over country that has plenty of room for more people. So much so that they pay you to move there.

Poverty stricken countries are over populated for the amount of goods they produce. They need someone to come in and eradicate all their militias so that the people can go back to farming. And people need to learn that if you can't afford to feed yourself you shouldn't have sex. The problem is we don't have enough military force to do this for everyone.

 

[Wry Catcher]

All horseshit, of course. If the wall really didn't work, then turds like you wouldn't be so dead set against it. Walls work everywhere they have ever been tried. In Hungary their wall reduced illegal immigrants by 99%.

In Hungary, they just found a different place to cross, or a different method.
Conservative cato explains why wall wont work.

Wrong, idiot. There is no other place to cross. They went to other countries that aren't nearly as smart as Hungary. Immigration is easy to stop if you only try. Dims are doing everything they can to increase illegal immigration. They are the main enemy on that front. No one is fooled.

Your article explains all the obstacles Dims will throw up against the wall. It doesn't say walls don't work.

And it is the ONLY way they can get votes! Remember the Motor Voter Bill that Clinton signed?
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. §§ 20501–20511) (formerly 42 U.S.C. §§ 1973gg–1973gg-10), also known as the Motor Voter Act, is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on May 20, 1993, and which came into effect on January 1, 1995. The law was enacted under the Elections Clause of the United States Constitution. The law advances voting rights in the United States by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or applies for public assistance.National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia
It put millions of people on Demo voter rolls.
That's truly the only way they've been able to stay in existence, that and the extremely biased MSM that donated the following to the Democrats!

"In all, people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — have combined to give more than $396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump," the Center for Public Integrity said in a new report.
"Nearly all of that money — more than 96 percent — has benefited Clinton," the organization concluded. "$382,000."
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...s-from-the-media-than-donald-trump-study-says

Are you aware that journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism mostly have advanced degrees, and a code of ethics?

Are you aware that only nine Judges in the United States do not work under a code of ethics? Those nine are all on the US Supreme Court.

They have a code of ethics? What does it say. Smear Republicans and ignore the crimes of Democrats?

Republicans smear themselves and thus their party; listening and watching the Congress, listening to Donald Trump and reading posts from someone like you is enough for most people to reject the drumbeat of constant hate and fear, hypocrisy and lies. Rational, reasoning and responsible people do not need editorials to understand how toxic the Republicans and their supporters have become.

Trumpism has moved the conservative movement far to the right, and along with its hate and fear mongering and mendacity, it's ideology is too familiar to those who have read history; Trumpism isa political ideology characterized by strong nationalism, an extreme level of authoritarianism, corporatism, militarization and hostility towards liberalism, dissent and diversity.

 

[WheelieAddict]

I don't think anyone wants open borders. Didn't our do nothing congress have an immigration bill, what happened with that?

 

[Slyhunter]

I don't think anyone wants open borders. Didn't our do nothing congress have an immigration bill, what happened with that?

The Democrats will vote no to any bill that includes money to build the wall. Not having a structure to close the border means we have open borders. Break out a dictionary and look up the word open without impediment.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't think anyone wants open borders. Didn't our do nothing congress have an immigration bill, what happened with that?

The H. or Rep. is broken, and the finger should be pointed at the Speaker, and the Republican Caucus. That caucus is coward by and controlled by Donald Trump, whose unstable and see-saw comments become more and more irrational; it is itself divided into ideologies which have nothing to today with We the People, and our needs and concerns. It is no longer "the people's house" it is the place dominated by self serving autocrats whose sole goal is to keep their job, and thus serve the high rollers who bribe them, and not the We the People.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't think anyone wants open borders. Didn't our do nothing congress have an immigration bill, what happened with that?

The Democrats will vote no to any bill that includes money to build the wall. Not having a structure to close the border means we have open borders. Break out a dictionary and look up the word open without impediment.

The Wall will be porous, as will our coastlines. Money spent to build, maintain and patrol a wall is wasteful, better to invest in more practical solutions to this Trump made crisis.