Question for those pushing a "living wage"

[DGS49]

President Johnson's REAL legacy: It is no longer a disgrace to be sucking at the Government's teats.

Believe me, before LBJ, being on welfare of any kind was something to be ashamed of. In the early years of the Great Society, the word, "entitlements" was politically charged, because NOBODY believed that ANYBODY was entitled to live off the "generosity" of the taxpayers.

Now, we are forced to consider that living a life on welfare (having babies out of wedlock) is just another legitimate lifestyle choice, like opening a pizza shop.

 

[rightwinger]

President Johnson's REAL legacy: It is no longer a disgrace to be sucking at the Government's teats.
Believe me, before LBJ, being on welfare of any kind was something to be ashamed of. In the early years of the Great Society, the word, "entitlements" was politically charged, because NOBODY believed that ANYBODY was entitled to live off the "generosity" of the taxpayers.

Now, we are forced to consider that living a life on welfare (having babies out of wedlock) is just another legitimate lifestyle choice, like opening a pizza shop.

Very true

Poor people need to be humiliated. Otherwise they will have no desire to stop being poor

 

[editec]

You seem to not understand capitalism. Such collusion is not capitalism, it's a hallmark of cronyism.

Many of the ills you blame on capitalism have absolutely nothing to do with it.

I don't blame capitalism, I blame the rich. Our capitalism seems to only help them. They collude and take away the benefits everyone else should get.

So you blame the rich for controlling government, and you want to make government ... wait for it ... more powerful. That's your solution. It's like arming the mafia. Have you ever considered maybe you didn't think this through?

Have you considered that we have?

Government is the ONLY system that offers citizens hope for control over people with enormous power.

But as you yourself correctly pointed out, now our government is corrupted.

Our government is now captured by vast wealth, it is has become much like infected tonsils

That which was originally meant to protect us from infection is now dangerously infected itself

 

[RKMBrown]

I don't blame capitalism, I blame the rich. Our capitalism seems to only help them. They collude and take away the benefits everyone else should get.

So you blame the rich for controlling government, and you want to make government ... wait for it ... more powerful. That's your solution. It's like arming the mafia. Have you ever considered maybe you didn't think this through?

Have you considered that we have?

Government is the ONLY system that offers citizens hope for control over people with enormous power.

But as you yourself correctly pointed out, now our government is corrupted.

Our government is now captured by vast wealth, it is has become much like infected tonsils

That which was originally meant to protect us from infection is now dangerously infected itself

And we used to have protections against government becoming like it is. But the dummies decided to forgo the protections for a small measure of security. Put the Senate back the way it was with the states assigning members to represent the state legislatures. Throw out the 16th amendment allowing them access to our paychecks. Throw out the the clause allowing government to take our life, liberty, and property in the 14th amendment. Introduce lifetime term limits. Elect politicians who want to break up monopolies and place the same restrictions on imports as we currently have on products built in the us. Throw out the law that allows lawyers to sue on behalf of the environment and animals that has blocked almost all progress in this country for twenty years.

 

[ClosedCaption]

President Johnson's REAL legacy: It is no longer a disgrace to be sucking at the Government's teats.
Believe me, before LBJ, being on welfare of any kind was something to be ashamed of. In the early years of the Great Society, the word, "entitlements" was politically charged, because NOBODY believed that ANYBODY was entitled to live off the "generosity" of the taxpayers.

Now, we are forced to consider that living a life on welfare (having babies out of wedlock) is just another legitimate lifestyle choice, like opening a pizza shop.

Very true

Poor people need to be humiliated. Otherwise they will have no desire to stop being poor

Something public like flogging or...oh pelting them with Tomatoes!

 

[ClosedCaption]

So you blame the rich for controlling government, and you want to make government ... wait for it ... more powerful. That's your solution. It's like arming the mafia. Have you ever considered maybe you didn't think this through?

Have you considered that we have?

Government is the ONLY system that offers citizens hope for control over people with enormous power.

But as you yourself correctly pointed out, now our government is corrupted.

Our government is now captured by vast wealth, it is has become much like infected tonsils

That which was originally meant to protect us from infection is now dangerously infected itself

And we used to have protections against government becoming like it is. But the dummies decided to forgo the protections for a small measure of security. Put the Senate back the way it was with the states assigning members to represent the state legislatures. Throw out the 16th amendment allowing them access to our paychecks. Throw out the the clause allowing government to take our life, liberty, and property in the 14th amendment. Introduce lifetime term limits. Elect politicians who want to break up monopolies and place the same restrictions on imports as we currently have on products built in the us. Throw out the law that allows lawyers to sue on behalf of the environment and animals that has blocked almost all progress in this country for twenty years.

Electing people who want to break up monopolies wont work as long as those monopolies and invest...er...donate unlimited funds to canidates. Maybe we can elect people who do not value money?

har har har

 

[ClosedCaption]

Let me explain it another way.

Guy at job doesnt get paid enough to cover expenses. His employer can kick him more money or he will look for assistance provided by you and I.

Which is what you've trained him to do. What he should do is work harder, invest in his own training and/or find a better job. You sadly don't even consider those possibilities, you jump right to that he'll go for welfare. Do people not have any responsibility for their own lives?

As an employer, I can tell you the #1 issue with low end workers is they don't care. Now I know you're going to come back with they don't care because they are paid so low, but you're wrong, they are paid so low because they don't care. Paying them more gives us zero care, it just gives them a fatter paycheck. Workers who care have no problem making more than minimum wage.

Man is trained to survive. He doesnt need training. If a man is hungry and there is a meal in front of him he's not going to turn it down because YOU think he should. If there is assistance hes not going to wave it away because YOU think its bad. He's hungry and a rumbling belly beats your outrage everytime.

But you can pretend that it's all my fault if you like. Gotta blame someone for your fantasyland bullshit not making sense in reality

 

[kwc57]

Musta been one hell of a lawn cutter.

Around 15 here when I was still cutting grass... on the beach with mom, sis, and brother.

Second job working my way through college at publix, that's my wife on my left.

Dude......your mom is hawt!!!

 

[RKMBrown]

Musta been one hell of a lawn cutter.

Around 15 here when I was still cutting grass... on the beach with mom, sis, and brother.

Second job working my way through college at publix, that's my wife on my left.

Dude......your mom is hawt!!!

Mom:

She was a great lady.

 

[Impenitent]

In another thread someone claimed that people have a right to be paid enough to support a family. I'd like to hear input from others on this.



Does a person with a paper route have the right to be paid enough to support a family?

Should a grocery bagger get paid enough to support a family?

What is the lowest level of job where you think the employers should be required to pay their employees enough to support a family? And how large of a family should this job be able to support?

If my brother quit his computer job and went to work as a Wal-Mart stocker, should he be able to expect Wal-Mart to pay him enough to support his six children?

While the other thread implies that Republicans are against higher wages because business will suffer, you seem to be against them because poor people are undeserving of higher wages.

Are both true at the same time?

Or is the former given as the excuse, while the real reason is the latter?

I don't know any Republicans that are opposed to higher wages. Many Republicans are opposed to government mandated wage rates because everyone will suffer to some degree. Workers, whether they be poor or rich, deserve no more than the wages they agree to work for. Many poor people are poor because they have few, if any, marketable skills.

you make no sense; first you say Republicans aren't against higher wages, then you say they are.

Then you say the poor are poor because they have no marketable skills, but dummy, perhaps they have no marketable skills because they are poor!

Break the poverty loop - pay them!

 

[rightwinger]

President Johnson's REAL legacy: It is no longer a disgrace to be sucking at the Government's teats.
Believe me, before LBJ, being on welfare of any kind was something to be ashamed of. In the early years of the Great Society, the word, "entitlements" was politically charged, because NOBODY believed that ANYBODY was entitled to live off the "generosity" of the taxpayers.

Now, we are forced to consider that living a life on welfare (having babies out of wedlock) is just another legitimate lifestyle choice, like opening a pizza shop.

Very true

Poor people need to be humiliated. Otherwise they will have no desire to stop being poor

Something public like flogging or...oh pelting them with Tomatoes!

We used to make the poor wear rags

Now they wear regular clothes and it is difficult to tell them from normal people

 

[Skull Pilot]

The poor used to wear rags because that's all they could afford now the "poor" have suits and cell phones so I guess they're really not poor at all.

 

[Mr Natural]

The poor used to wear rags because that's all they could afford now the "poor" have suits and cell phones so I guess they're really not poor at all.

Proof positive that the "War on Poverty" has indeed been a success!

Huzzah!

 

[Skull Pilot]

The poor used to wear rags because that's all they could afford now the "poor" have suits and cell phones so I guess they're really not poor at all.

Proof positive that the "War on Poverty" has indeed been a success!

Huzzah!

Our "poor" are the richest "poor" people in the world.

 

[RKMBrown]

Have you considered that we have?

Government is the ONLY system that offers citizens hope for control over people with enormous power.

But as you yourself correctly pointed out, now our government is corrupted.

Our government is now captured by vast wealth, it is has become much like infected tonsils

That which was originally meant to protect us from infection is now dangerously infected itself

And we used to have protections against government becoming like it is. But the dummies decided to forgo the protections for a small measure of security. Put the Senate back the way it was with the states assigning members to represent the state legislatures. Throw out the 16th amendment allowing them access to our paychecks. Throw out the the clause allowing government to take our life, liberty, and property in the 14th amendment. Introduce lifetime term limits. Elect politicians who want to break up monopolies and place the same restrictions on imports as we currently have on products built in the us. Throw out the law that allows lawyers to sue on behalf of the environment and animals that has blocked almost all progress in this country for twenty years.

Electing people who want to break up monopolies wont work as long as those monopolies and invest...er...donate unlimited funds to canidates. Maybe we can elect people who do not value money?

har har har

You can't buy me, so it's a lie to say everyone can be bought. Can you be bought?

 

[Erand7899]

While the other thread implies that Republicans are against higher wages because business will suffer, you seem to be against them because poor people are undeserving of higher wages.

Are both true at the same time?

Or is the former given as the excuse, while the real reason is the latter?

I don't know any Republicans that are opposed to higher wages. Many Republicans are opposed to government mandated wage rates because everyone will suffer to some degree. Workers, whether they be poor or rich, deserve no more than the wages they agree to work for. Many poor people are poor because they have few, if any, marketable skills.

you make no sense; first you say Republicans aren't against higher wages, then you say they are.

Then you say the poor are poor because they have no marketable skills, but dummy, perhaps they have no marketable skills because they are poor!

Break the poverty loop - pay them!

Your reading comprehension skills need work. I am not opposed to higher wages, I am OPPOSED TO GOVERNMENT MANDATED WAGE RATES AT ANY LEVEL.

And no, I did not say the poor are poor because they have no marketable skills, I said MANY of the poor are poor because they have no marketable skills.

Being poor does not prevent anyone from obtaining marketable skills. Like everything else in life, one has to work at getting what one wants.

You break the poverty loop - You pay them.

However, I expect you are one of them.

 

[RKMBrown]

While the other thread implies that Republicans are against higher wages because business will suffer, you seem to be against them because poor people are undeserving of higher wages.

Are both true at the same time?

Or is the former given as the excuse, while the real reason is the latter?

I don't know any Republicans that are opposed to higher wages. Many Republicans are opposed to government mandated wage rates because everyone will suffer to some degree. Workers, whether they be poor or rich, deserve no more than the wages they agree to work for. Many poor people are poor because they have few, if any, marketable skills.

you make no sense; first you say Republicans aren't against higher wages, then you say they are.

Then you say the poor are poor because they have no marketable skills, but dummy, perhaps they have no marketable skills because they are poor!

Break the poverty loop - pay them!

One would have to be pretty dumb not to understand the difference between liberty and government mandates. Did you get hit on the head a lot as a child?

 

[Skull Pilot]

And we used to have protections against government becoming like it is. But the dummies decided to forgo the protections for a small measure of security. Put the Senate back the way it was with the states assigning members to represent the state legislatures. Throw out the 16th amendment allowing them access to our paychecks. Throw out the the clause allowing government to take our life, liberty, and property in the 14th amendment. Introduce lifetime term limits. Elect politicians who want to break up monopolies and place the same restrictions on imports as we currently have on products built in the us. Throw out the law that allows lawyers to sue on behalf of the environment and animals that has blocked almost all progress in this country for twenty years.

Electing people who want to break up monopolies wont work as long as those monopolies and invest...er...donate unlimited funds to canidates. Maybe we can elect people who do not value money?

har har har

You can't buy me, so it's a lie to say everyone can be bought. Can you be bought?

HMMM

It depends I guess.

If you paid me a million to vote for Obama I would.

 

[RKMBrown]

Electing people who want to break up monopolies wont work as long as those monopolies and invest...er...donate unlimited funds to canidates. Maybe we can elect people who do not value money?

har har har

You can't buy me, so it's a lie to say everyone can be bought. Can you be bought?

HMMM

It depends I guess.

If you paid me a million to vote for Obama I would.

Whore

I'm not for sale not even a million bucks. Screw that blood money.

 

[kwc57]

The poor used to wear rags because that's all they could afford now the "poor" have suits and cell phones so I guess they're really not poor at all.

Proof positive that the "War on Poverty" has indeed been a success!

Huzzah!

Proof positive that the government will take your money and redistribute it to other people and claim the war on poverty is a success. Window dressing and theft.