Questions.....RE: The Greenhouse Effect

[jc456]

Two white hot lengths of steel are taken out of the blast furnace and are left to cool. The sides that face each other cool less quickly.

SSDD says it is because they are not allowed to radiate towards each other. Everyone else says it is because they ARE radiating at each other.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Where is work?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

What atmosphere? Where? When?

You really need to be specific with your questions when we're discussing multiple objects/topics.

Where is work?

In Chicago

What atmosphere? Where? When?

The one high up above you anywhere you are at any time of the day.

 

[jc456]

Two white hot lengths of steel are taken out of the blast furnace and are left to cool. The sides that face each other cool less quickly.

SSDD says it is because they are not allowed to radiate towards each other. Everyone else says it is because they ARE radiating at each other.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

It's a mystery. Not as big a mystery as why SSDD thinks matter has a dimmer switch.

why would it be a mystery?

What?

exactly

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

Of course I have said what sort of work science thinks is happening....sorry you are to damned stupid to read my response.

Of course I have said what sort of work science thinks is happening

No. You have never once said what work occurs on the surface of the Sun which allows the surface to radiate toward the hotter corona (and out into the solar system).

You have, many times, posted theories about the mechanism which heats the corona.
I've never asked and don't care why the corona is hotter than the surface.

I just want your explanation why the hotter corona doesn't cause the Sun's surface to cease radiating like all hotter matter causes all cooler matter to stop radiating in your solo epicycle world.

For once, try to answer the question asked. Or admit your error. Your choice.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Two white hot lengths of steel are taken out of the blast furnace and are left to cool. The sides that face each other cool less quickly.

SSDD says it is because they are not allowed to radiate towards each other. Everyone else says it is because they ARE radiating at each other.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Where is work?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

What atmosphere? Where? When?

You really need to be specific with your questions when we're discussing multiple objects/topics.

Where is work?

In Chicago

What atmosphere? Where? When?

The one high up above you anywhere you are at any time of the day.

Try to restate your questions so they make sense.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

It's a mystery. Not as big a mystery as why SSDD thinks matter has a dimmer switch.

why would it be a mystery?

What?

exactly

DERP!

 

[jc456]

Two white hot lengths of steel are taken out of the blast furnace and are left to cool. The sides that face each other cool less quickly.

SSDD says it is because they are not allowed to radiate towards each other. Everyone else says it is because they ARE radiating at each other.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Where is work?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

What atmosphere? Where? When?

You really need to be specific with your questions when we're discussing multiple objects/topics.

Where is work?

In Chicago

What atmosphere? Where? When?

The one high up above you anywhere you are at any time of the day.

Try to restate your questions so they make sense.

well maybe when someone uses the quotes feature it would explain it for you.

 

[jc456]

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

It's a mystery. Not as big a mystery as why SSDD thinks matter has a dimmer switch.

why would it be a mystery?

What?

exactly

DERP!

again, can't read your own quote eh? lazy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Where is work?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

What atmosphere? Where? When?

You really need to be specific with your questions when we're discussing multiple objects/topics.

Where is work?

In Chicago

What atmosphere? Where? When?

The one high up above you anywhere you are at any time of the day.

Try to restate your questions so they make sense.

well maybe when someone uses the quotes feature it would explain it for you.

Feel free to ask questions that make sense.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

It's a mystery. Not as big a mystery as why SSDD thinks matter has a dimmer switch.

why would it be a mystery?

What?

exactly

DERP!

again, can't read your own quote eh? lazy?

I used the word twice in my quote. Can't differentiate? Stupid?

 

[Wuwei]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

 

[jc456]

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

if there is work, isn't there heat?

Where is work?

Why then doesn't the atmosphere get hot rather than cool?

What atmosphere? Where? When?

You really need to be specific with your questions when we're discussing multiple objects/topics.

Where is work?

In Chicago

What atmosphere? Where? When?

The one high up above you anywhere you are at any time of the day.

Try to restate your questions so they make sense.

well maybe when someone uses the quotes feature it would explain it for you.

Feel free to ask questions that make sense.

I did

 

[jc456]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

Do you have proof that back radiation exists? Nope!

 

[jc456]

why would it be a mystery?

What?

exactly

DERP!

again, can't read your own quote eh? lazy?

I used the word twice in my quote. Can't differentiate? Stupid?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery I give a shit about your deflection. And the smart guy you are can’t follow a straight line! Wow and your shit should matter why?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What?

exactly

DERP!

again, can't read your own quote eh? lazy?

I used the word twice in my quote. Can't differentiate? Stupid?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery I give a shit about your deflection. And the smart guy you are can’t follow a straight line! Wow and your shit should matter why?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery

It's a mystery why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Any other stupid, nonsensical questions you'd like to ask?
I'll be happy to explain basic physics so you can demonstrate your ignorance again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

Do you have proof that back radiation exists? Nope!

Do you have any proof that matter above 0K doesn't radiate in all directions, constantly?

 

[SSDD]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

Do you have proof that back radiation exists? Nope!

Do you have any proof that matter above 0K doesn't radiate in all directions, constantly?

The fact that spontaneous two way energy flow between warm objects and cold objects can not be measured is pretty convincing. You got any actual measurements of energy spontaneously moving from cool objects to warm objects that would contradict every observation and measurement ever made?

 

[SSDD]

Will the two hot pieces lose heat faster with the cold piece there?

The two hot pieces always radiate according to their temperatures. The rate of cooling is affected by how much radiation is coming back from their surroundings.

No ian...they radiate according to the difference between their temperatures and the temperatures of their surroundings...unless of course, they are in a theoretical perfect vacuum devoid of other matter.

 

[SSDD]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

The fact that spontaneously two way energy flow between cool objects and warm objects (despite our ability to measure very small amounts of energy) has never been observed or measured is pretty convincing evidence that it doesn't happen...got any actual observed measured evidence that contradicts every observation and measurement ever made? Didn't think so.

 

[SSDD]

Two white hot lengths of steel are taken out of the blast furnace and are left to cool. The sides that face each other cool less quickly.

SSDD says it is because they are not allowed to radiate towards each other. Everyone else says it is because they ARE radiating at each other.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

If you put a third piece of cool steel between them, then apparently the hot steel is now allowed to radiate. Bizarre, the third piece controls the radiation from the hot ones.

Even stranger is that the hot steel throttles the amount of radiation it emits, based on the temperature of the cooler steel, without ever knowing the temperature of the cooler steel, because the cooler steel is not allowed to radiate. If it can't radiate, how does the information about its temperature get transmitted?

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

Weird.

He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes
place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona.

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

It's a mystery. Not as big a mystery as why SSDD thinks matter has a dimmer switch.

The latest hypothesis is Alfven waves...they propagate within the sun at speeds of around 200 kilometers per second and TRANSPORT large amounts of energy from the surface to the corona...science thinks that they provide enough energy to account for the temperature of the corona...what science doesn't, and never has thought is that energy was moving spontaneously from the surface to the hotter corona...only you seem to think that..and it appears that you think that because you are unable to apply the term spontaneous to energy movement in the context of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[Wuwei]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

The fact that spontaneously two way energy flow between cool objects and warm objects (despite our ability to measure very small amounts of energy) has never been observed or measured is pretty convincing evidence that it doesn't happen...got any actual observed measured evidence that contradicts every observation and measurement ever made? Didn't think so.

Heat causes the charges in materials to move. Moving charges near the surface must radiate independently of any outside conditions. This has been observed, tested and measured time and time again for over 100 years. Your one way energy flow with smart photons totally violates those experiments. You have no explanation for your smart photons.