“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

Raising the Minimum wage has never been an inflationary concern. It only affects the microeconomic, bottom line for employers not our economy.

It "ONLY" affects the bottom line for employers, NOT our economy.

Oh Grand Economist danielpalos, please explain to all of us how the bottom line of companies does NOT affect our economy.

If the bottom line of any company is reduced, does that not affect the net profit of that company? If that drops, what happens to the stock prices?
Higher paid Labor can afford to create more in Demand and pay more in Taxes. It is termed and styled, a positive multiplier effect. The short term is for short run equilibriums not long run equilibriums.
 
And, paying persons fifteen dollars an hour generates around five times more in federal (income) tax revenue than someone making the current minimum wage.

You make no sense.
I sometimes wonder if he really believes that nonsense or whether he's just screwing with us. Either way, I'm done with him.

I agree with you 100%.

He reminds me of "Professor" Irwin Corey. A very well known comedian before you were born! :D
Nobody takes right wingers seriously about economics, the law, or morals.
 
“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

The last minimum wage bill that was proposed and considered in congress, was H.R. 258, “Raise the Wage Act”. It was passed by the Democratic majority house, then passed on to the Republican majority senate, (where it now lies effectively dead).
Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR 258 interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold;

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.]
Respectfully, Supposn
/—-/ Hey let’s set minimum wage at $120,000 a year. Then everybody gets rich.
I was surprised when Wal Mart raised wages, and forced everyone else to compete with those wages, that inflation did not rise at all. I believed the argument that you couldn't address lower end wages without making prices go through the roof, but that is proven not to be true. I don't like artificial wage tinkering like Seattle and leftists cities, and going against market forces, and worry about people getting fired and job losses, like Seattle. However, It is still evident that lower wages can rise without runaway inflation. Either the experts were wrong, or they lied.
Raising the Minimum wage has never been an inflationary concern. It only affects the microeconomic, bottom line for employers not our economy.
/—-/ Take some business classes so you don’t sound like a blithering idiot.
Come up with valid arguments so You won't be full of fallacy. Even promiscuous women are less full of fallacy than You.
 
“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

The last minimum wage bill that was proposed and considered in congress, was H.R. 258, “Raise the Wage Act”. It was passed by the Democratic majority house, then passed on to the Republican majority senate, (where it now lies effectively dead).
Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR 258 interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold;

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.]
Respectfully, Supposn
No it absolutely would not. Just as soon as the minimum wage goes up the printing press is cranked up to negate it. All it does is to effectively pick everyone pocket leaving less for everyone, especially those who supposedly benefit. When in fact they're made even worse off than they were before by the higher prices on everything. Only a compete simple minded fool believes a higher minimum wage benefits anyone.
But, it is ok to have QE for the Richest. I get it, right wingers, you all simply prefer to "hate on the Poor" not solve any problems.
 
I'll make anyone a deal. We end the Federal Reserve and I'll quit sticking up for the poor.


Why should we end the Federal Reserve?
How is making unskilled workers permanently unemployable "sticking up for the poor"?

Trump said we had full employment so I have no idea what you are talking about. The work still needs done whether it's $8 or $12.
/——/ If your landscaper said he’d do your lawn for $25, would you say that’s not a living wage and pay him $50?

No but if the workers did a good job I very well may tip them. We just had a piano moved. Three guys. I gave them $20 each because they did a great job.

And that was your choice, as it should be. The gov't didn't tell you you had to give them the $20 apiece whether they did a good job or not, did they? But you think that's a good idea, right?
Labor as the wealthy under our form of Capitalism also can't afford to hire lobbyists to get more corporate welfare.
From 1978 to 2018, inflation-adjusted compensation based on realized stock options of the top CEOs increased 940.3%. The increase was more than 25–33% greater than stock market growth (depending on which stock market index is used) and substantially greater than the painfully slow 11.9% growth in a typical worker’s annual compensation over the same period. Measured using the value of stock options granted, CEO compensation rose 1,007.5% from 1978 to 2018.
/----/ It's none of your business how much companies pay their CEOs. If you don't like it, then buy enough company stock so you can attend the meetings and vote down the pay raises.
Then, stop whining about the Poor, right wingers. You don't complain about bailouts for the Richest who are merely too rich to fail and get bailed out by the Nanny-State right wingers are hypocritical about but only for the Poor.
/---/ What bailouts for the richest? If you can't supply specifics then stop with the strawman arguments.
"Privatizing profits and socializing losses" refers to the idea that corporations want to reserve financial gains for themselves and pass along losses to the rest of society, potentially through lobbying the government for assistance. This practice was criticized in the Wall Street bailout of 2008--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare#%22Socialism_for_the_rich,_capitalism_for_the_poor%22

The "Wall Street Bailout" was repaid at a profit to the US Treasury. Moron.
 
... (The minimum rate bolsters other wage rates, but it much more beneficial to lower rather than higher wage rate earners.)

Prove it.

Show how much wages would increase at the $100,000 level, if the Federal Minimum Wage
went from $7.25 up to $8.25. Do the same for the $50,000 level. Thanks!!!
Toddsterpatriot, the CBO did essentially demonstrate the validity of that concept. Respectfully, Supposn
“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes. … Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR [258, error; 582 is correct], interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold.

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.] … [/QUOTE

Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes,

Except for the ones made unemployed or unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State could solve simple poverty. Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment which means even if persons had to obtain a doctorate to participate in the market for Labor, some would still be unemployed.

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Dude!
 
“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

The last minimum wage bill that was proposed and considered in congress, was H.R. 258, “Raise the Wage Act”. It was passed by the Democratic majority house, then passed on to the Republican majority senate, (where it now lies effectively dead).
Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR 258 interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold;

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.]
Respectfully, Supposn
/—-/ Hey let’s set minimum wage at $120,000 a year. Then everybody gets rich.
I was surprised when Wal Mart raised wages, and forced everyone else to compete with those wages, that inflation did not rise at all. I believed the argument that you couldn't address lower end wages without making prices go through the roof, but that is proven not to be true. I don't like artificial wage tinkering like Seattle and leftists cities, and going against market forces, and worry about people getting fired and job losses, like Seattle. However, It is still evident that lower wages can rise without runaway inflation. Either the experts were wrong, or they lied.
Raising the Minimum wage has never been an inflationary concern. It only affects the microeconomic, bottom line for employers not our economy.
/—-/ Take some business classes so you don’t sound like a blithering idiot.
Come up with valid arguments so You won't be full of fallacy. Even promiscuous women are less full of fallacy than You.
/—-/ Not my job to educate you, besides you’ll reject anything I post. You claim raising the minimum wage has never been an inflationary concern. Well here ya go, you uneducated moron: Pros and cons of raising the minimum wage - Economics Help
 
... (The minimum rate bolsters other wage rates, but it much more beneficial to lower rather than higher wage rate earners.)

Prove it.

Show how much wages would increase at the $100,000 level, if the Federal Minimum Wage
went from $7.25 up to $8.25. Do the same for the $50,000 level. Thanks!!!
Toddsterpatriot, the CBO did essentially demonstrate the validity of that concept. Respectfully, Supposn
“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes. … Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR [258, error; 582 is correct], interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold.

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.] … [/QUOTE

Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes,

Except for the ones made unemployed or unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State could solve simple poverty. Capitalism has a Natural rate of unemployment which means even if persons had to obtain a doctorate to participate in the market for Labor, some would still be unemployed.
Spoken like an idiot at the very bottom of the totem pole. Probably a waiter or some such with all the answers.
 
I'll make anyone a deal. We end the Federal Reserve and I'll quit sticking up for the poor.


Why should we end the Federal Reserve?
How is making unskilled workers permanently unemployable "sticking up for the poor"?

Trump said we had full employment so I have no idea what you are talking about. The work still needs done whether it's $8 or $12.
/——/ If your landscaper said he’d do your lawn for $25, would you say that’s not a living wage and pay him $50?

No but if the workers did a good job I very well may tip them. We just had a piano moved. Three guys. I gave them $20 each because they did a great job.

And that was your choice, as it should be. The gov't didn't tell you you had to give them the $20 apiece whether they did a good job or not, did they? But you think that's a good idea, right?
Labor as the wealthy under our form of Capitalism also can't afford to hire lobbyists to get more corporate welfare.
From 1978 to 2018, inflation-adjusted compensation based on realized stock options of the top CEOs increased 940.3%. The increase was more than 25–33% greater than stock market growth (depending on which stock market index is used) and substantially greater than the painfully slow 11.9% growth in a typical worker’s annual compensation over the same period. Measured using the value of stock options granted, CEO compensation rose 1,007.5% from 1978 to 2018.
/----/ It's none of your business how much companies pay their CEOs. If you don't like it, then buy enough company stock so you can attend the meetings and vote down the pay raises.
Then, stop whining about the Poor, right wingers. You don't complain about bailouts for the Richest who are merely too rich to fail and get bailed out by the Nanny-State right wingers are hypocritical about but only for the Poor.
/---/ What bailouts for the richest? If you can't supply specifics then stop with the strawman arguments.
"Privatizing profits and socializing losses" refers to the idea that corporations want to reserve financial gains for themselves and pass along losses to the rest of society, potentially through lobbying the government for assistance. This practice was criticized in the Wall Street bailout of 2008--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare#%22Socialism_for_the_rich,_capitalism_for_the_poor%22

The "Wall Street Bailout" was repaid at a profit to the US Treasury. Moron.

No it wasn't.
 
“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

The last minimum wage bill that was proposed and considered in congress, was H.R. 258, “Raise the Wage Act”. It was passed by the Democratic majority house, then passed on to the Republican majority senate, (where it now lies effectively dead).
Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR 258 interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold;

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.]
Respectfully, Supposn

Don't forget the HIDDEN inflation tax on minimum wage. When minimum wage goes up so does inflation. The inflation matches or exceeds the minimum wage hike so ones BUYING POWER after the minimum wage hike remains stagnant or loses ground. It's a Fed Reserve thing.
 
I'll make anyone a deal. We end the Federal Reserve and I'll quit sticking up for the poor.


Why should we end the Federal Reserve?
How is making unskilled workers permanently unemployable "sticking up for the poor"?

Trump said we had full employment so I have no idea what you are talking about. The work still needs done whether it's $8 or $12.
/——/ If your landscaper said he’d do your lawn for $25, would you say that’s not a living wage and pay him $50?

No but if the workers did a good job I very well may tip them. We just had a piano moved. Three guys. I gave them $20 each because they did a great job.

And that was your choice, as it should be. The gov't didn't tell you you had to give them the $20 apiece whether they did a good job or not, did they? But you think that's a good idea, right?
Labor as the wealthy under our form of Capitalism also can't afford to hire lobbyists to get more corporate welfare.
From 1978 to 2018, inflation-adjusted compensation based on realized stock options of the top CEOs increased 940.3%. The increase was more than 25–33% greater than stock market growth (depending on which stock market index is used) and substantially greater than the painfully slow 11.9% growth in a typical worker’s annual compensation over the same period. Measured using the value of stock options granted, CEO compensation rose 1,007.5% from 1978 to 2018.
/----/ It's none of your business how much companies pay their CEOs. If you don't like it, then buy enough company stock so you can attend the meetings and vote down the pay raises.
Then, stop whining about the Poor, right wingers. You don't complain about bailouts for the Richest who are merely too rich to fail and get bailed out by the Nanny-State right wingers are hypocritical about but only for the Poor.
/---/ What bailouts for the richest? If you can't supply specifics then stop with the strawman arguments.
"Privatizing profits and socializing losses" refers to the idea that corporations want to reserve financial gains for themselves and pass along losses to the rest of society, potentially through lobbying the government for assistance. This practice was criticized in the Wall Street bailout of 2008--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare#%22Socialism_for_the_rich,_capitalism_for_the_poor%22

The "Wall Street Bailout" was repaid at a profit to the US Treasury. Moron.

No it wasn't.

No it wasn't.

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Durr.
 
Raising the Minimum wage has never been an inflationary concern. It only affects the microeconomic, bottom line for employers not our economy.

It "ONLY" affects the bottom line for employers, NOT our economy.

Oh Grand Economist danielpalos, please explain to all of us how the bottom line of companies does NOT affect our economy.

If the bottom line of any company is reduced, does that not affect the net profit of that company? If that drops, what happens to the stock prices?
Higher paid Labor can afford to create more in Demand and pay more in Taxes. It is termed and styled, a positive multiplier effect. The short term is for short run equilibriums not long run equilibriums.

Professor Irwin Corey,

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I've asked this in the past and none of the far-left liberals have had an answer or refuse to acknowledge that they know the answer. Here, I won't ask, I'll just provide the answer.

Who Earns the Minimum Wage? Suburban Teenagers, Not Single Parents
February 28, 2013

In his State of the Union address, President Obama called for raising minimum wage to $9.00 an hour. He argued that “no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty.”[1] Most minimum-wage workers, however, are not poor. Congress should examine which workers—that would not lose their jobs—would benefit from a higher minimum wage.

Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau show that most minimum-wage earners are young, part-time workers and that relatively few of them live below the poverty line. Their average family income is over $53,000 a year. A hike in the minimum wage primarily raises pay for suburban teenagers, not the working poor. If Congress and the President seriously want to help the working poor, they should look elsewhere.

[My highlight above]

 
I'll make anyone a deal. We end the Federal Reserve and I'll quit sticking up for the poor.


Why should we end the Federal Reserve?
How is making unskilled workers permanently unemployable "sticking up for the poor"?

Trump said we had full employment so I have no idea what you are talking about. The work still needs done whether it's $8 or $12.
/——/ If your landscaper said he’d do your lawn for $25, would you say that’s not a living wage and pay him $50?

No but if the workers did a good job I very well may tip them. We just had a piano moved. Three guys. I gave them $20 each because they did a great job.

And that was your choice, as it should be. The gov't didn't tell you you had to give them the $20 apiece whether they did a good job or not, did they? But you think that's a good idea, right?
Labor as the wealthy under our form of Capitalism also can't afford to hire lobbyists to get more corporate welfare.
From 1978 to 2018, inflation-adjusted compensation based on realized stock options of the top CEOs increased 940.3%. The increase was more than 25–33% greater than stock market growth (depending on which stock market index is used) and substantially greater than the painfully slow 11.9% growth in a typical worker’s annual compensation over the same period. Measured using the value of stock options granted, CEO compensation rose 1,007.5% from 1978 to 2018.
/----/ It's none of your business how much companies pay their CEOs. If you don't like it, then buy enough company stock so you can attend the meetings and vote down the pay raises.
Then, stop whining about the Poor, right wingers. You don't complain about bailouts for the Richest who are merely too rich to fail and get bailed out by the Nanny-State right wingers are hypocritical about but only for the Poor.
/---/ What bailouts for the richest? If you can't supply specifics then stop with the strawman arguments.
"Privatizing profits and socializing losses" refers to the idea that corporations want to reserve financial gains for themselves and pass along losses to the rest of society, potentially through lobbying the government for assistance. This practice was criticized in the Wall Street bailout of 2008--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare#%22Socialism_for_the_rich,_capitalism_for_the_poor%22

The "Wall Street Bailout" was repaid at a profit to the US Treasury. Moron.

No it wasn't.

No it wasn't.

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Durr.

Tarp was paid back with other government programs like Harp which were never paid back. To make it easy for you.......the government gives you $10. They then give you $15. You pay back the original $10 with $12 of the second $15 and everyone pretends the government made money.

Banks Paid Back Bailouts Instead of Lending More: Watchdog – eCreditDaily

Lenders Used Aid to Repay TARP

And for good measure to show that it wasn't just small banks.


Obama Program That Hurt Homeowners and Helped Big Banks Is Ending
 
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... Just as soon as the minimum wage goes up the printing press is cranked up to negate it. All it does is to effectively pick everyone pocket leaving less for everyone, especially those who supposedly benefit. When in fact they're made even worse off than they were before by the higher prices on everything. Only a compete simple minded fool believes a higher minimum wage benefits anyone.
Dick Foster, minimum rate’s not among the primary drivers of dollar’s inflation.
The minimum rate’s proportional effect upon a product’s price is dependent upon the proportion of the price attributable to direct or indirect labor, and the proportional differences between those labor costs that are attributable to higher or lower wage rates. (The minimum rate bolsters other wage rates, but it much more beneficial to lower rather than higher wage rate earners.)

Because a fraction multiplied by another fraction produces a consequential product lesser than the two multiplied factors, the minimum wage rate has never been among the primary drivers of U.S. dollar’s inflation. Any proportional increases of aggregate prices that could be attributable to increases of the federal minimum wage rate are proportionally extremely much less than the increase of aggregate wage incomes that could also be attributable to that rate increase. Respectfully, Supposn
 
We need a rise in the minimum wage but it also must be noted that the Democrats had eight years under Obama and did absolutely nothing in this regard.

Actually, the last raise in the minimum wage occurred in 2009 under Obama while Democrats held Congress with a filibuster proof majority

Since then, Republicans have blocked every attempt to raise minimum wage above $7.25
 

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