Raw milk can be dangerous

[Yarddog]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

 

[Cav Scout]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

 

[I.P.Freely]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

 

[Cav Scout]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

 

[I.P.Freely]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

 

[Cav Scout]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

Well then here is this, Bangs has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere there are four legged hoofed critters, it has been handled and mostly vaccinated out of cattle. But it has NEVER been eradicated anywhere. You can have bangs free herds in an area for a 'while', but if there is a four legged wild critter of the sheep, goat, bovine, elk, ancestry around it is NOT eradicated. Period.

 

[Cav Scout]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

I was replying to konradv suggestion, to quote

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

read konradv post and you may understand.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

The next thing you know they're going to want to irradiate our salads.

 

[I.P.Freely]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

Well then here is this, Bangs has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere there are four legged hoofed critters, it has been handled and mostly vaccinated out of cattle. But it has NEVER been eradicated anywhere. You can have bangs free herds in an area for a 'while', but if there is a four legged wild critter of the sheep, goat, bovine, elk, ancestry around it is NOT eradicated. Period.

I think I would prefer to believe Defra Brucellosis Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency
to quote Defra "The last confirmed case of Brucellosis (Brucella arbortus) in the UK occurred in 2004."

 

[I.P.Freely]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

The next thing you know they're going to want to irradiate our salads.

Most food is safe if it is prepared properly by a person with clean hands preferably.

 

[Cav Scout]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

Well then here is this, Bangs has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere there are four legged hoofed critters, it has been handled and mostly vaccinated out of cattle. But it has NEVER been eradicated anywhere. You can have bangs free herds in an area for a 'while', but if there is a four legged wild critter of the sheep, goat, bovine, elk, ancestry around it is NOT eradicated. Period.

I think I would prefer to believe Defra Brucellosis Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency
to quote Defra "The last confirmed case of Brucellosis (Brucella arbortus) in the UK occurred in 2004."

Wait... 80's.... 2004.....

Isn't this the same nation that eradicated Mad Cow?

Like five times now in the last fifteen years....

Something makes me think your milk mindedness and your math are both drunker than I am.

 

[Cav Scout]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

The next thing you know they're going to want to irradiate our salads.

Most food is safe if it is prepared properly by a person with clean hands preferably.

Most food is safe if you take care of it properly... PERIOD>

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

 

[Cav Scout]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

The next thing you know they're going to want to irradiate our salads.

I think that has already happened...

You were eating it at that point...

One should not eat inside of the machines...

 

[Cav Scout]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or pussy get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

 

[I.P.Freely]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

Well then here is this, Bangs has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere there are four legged hoofed critters, it has been handled and mostly vaccinated out of cattle. But it has NEVER been eradicated anywhere. You can have bangs free herds in an area for a 'while', but if there is a four legged wild critter of the sheep, goat, bovine, elk, ancestry around it is NOT eradicated. Period.

I think I would prefer to believe Defra Brucellosis Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency
to quote Defra "The last confirmed case of Brucellosis (Brucella arbortus) in the UK occurred in 2004."

Wait... 80's.... 2004.....

Isn't this the same nation that eradicated Mad Cow?

Like five times now in the last fifteen years....

Something makes me think your milk mindedness and your math are both drunker than I am.

I doubt that is possible, this may interest you CDC - Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy BSE

 

[I.P.Freely]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or pussy get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

yes, I wonder what heat treated pussy taste like Cav..............chicken?

 

[rawmilkmike]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

Well then here is this, Bangs has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere there are four legged hoofed critters, it has been handled and mostly vaccinated out of cattle. But it has NEVER been eradicated anywhere. You can have bangs free herds in an area for a 'while', but if there is a four legged wild critter of the sheep, goat, bovine, elk, ancestry around it is NOT eradicated. Period.

I think I would prefer to believe Defra Brucellosis Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency
to quote Defra "The last confirmed case of Brucellosis (Brucella arbortus) in the UK occurred in 2004."

Wait... 80's.... 2004.....

Isn't this the same nation that eradicated Mad Cow?

Like five times now in the last fifteen years....

Something makes me think your milk mindedness and your math are both drunker than I am.

Thanks for your honesty. You never argue with a drunk. When you sober up you may remember that Bangs is seldom life threatening and that raw milk is still a super-food. Yes, these guys don't understand the technical definition of 'eradicated' but does that really matter?