Read Trump's Indictment Here

[Mac1958]

If Trump isn't careful with his delay tactics, he could find himself on trial during the primaries.

That won't go well for him or the organization formerly known as the Republican Party.

I don't see how it's avoided at this point. The NY case doesn't even go back into court until December, let alone start.

This is going the Trump way: Pure chaos.

 

[g5000]

I don't see how it's avoided at this point. The NY case doesn't even go back into court until December, let alone start.

This is going the Trump way: Pure chaos.

The lawsuit by the NY attorney general for Trump's tax and insurance fraud is set to go to trial in September.

 

[Flopper]

I don't see how it's avoided at this point. The NY case doesn't even go back into court until December, let alone start.

This is going the Trump way: Pure chaos.

I think in December the judge will just hear petitions from council and the prosecution with trial set for January. Trump wants the trial delayed as long as possible because he does not want voters hearing the DA's case which will include new evidence not released. However, there will be primaries starting January.

 

[Flopper]

My (wild ass) guess is that this will not have been a good idea.

Being dead serious here, this celebrity-obsessed, short-attention-span country (which is FAR closer to the REAL problem than Trump himself) needs big, knockout swings to stay focused on a court case. This is not like that.

The only way I see most of the country locking on to this one is if the prosecutors lean on the "Catch & Kill" phrase. That's kind of exciting. Like a movie or video game title. Otherwise, this just doesn't look big and clear enough.

We'll see if Bragg screwed the pooch on this.

I think the prosecutions case will be crystal clear.
1. Donald Trump paid hush money to Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, and a door man to conceal damaging information to his 2016 campaign which was a violation of elections law.
2. From 2015 till 2017 he falsified business records to conceal those payments. Since the hush money payoff was a violation of the law, falsifying business records to hide those payments goes from being a misdemeanor to a felony. And he did it not once by 34 times.

That seams pretty clear to me.

This type criminal prosecution is very common for example. Drug dealers are not charged with dealing drugs but charged with tax invasion for not reporting the income. Businessmen, not unlike Trump participate in racketeering but falsify business records to cover it up and that is what they are charge with not racketeering.

 

[OKTexas]

If you robbed 34 banks, would a judge trim 90 percent of those from the list?

That's not the case here. Of course you already know that.

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[OKTexas]

I think the prosecutions case will be crystal clear.
1. Donald Trump paid hush money to Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, and a door man to conceal damaging information to his 2016 campaign which was a violation of elections law.
2. From 2015 till 2017 he falsified business records to conceal those payments. Since the hush money payoff was a violation of the law, falsifying business records to hide those payments goes from being a misdemeanor to a felony. And he did it not once by 34 times.

That seams pretty clear to me.

This type criminal prosecution is very common for example. Drug dealers are not charged with dealing drugs but charged with tax invasion for not reporting the income. Businessmen, not unlike Trump participate in racketeering but falsify business records to cover it up and that is what they are charge with not racketeering.

What you don't seem to understand is if an expense has ANY PERSONAL BENEFIT, it can not be paid with campaign funds. And since there was a personal benefit it couldn't possibly be a campaign finance violation. This was considered by the Federal Elections Commission and they passed on it for that very reason. Even if it were a campaign finance violation that stature of limitations has passed as well.

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[Flopper]

What you don't seem to understand is if an expense has ANY PERSONAL BENEFIT, it can not be paid with campaign funds. And since there was a personal benefit it couldn't possibly be a campaign finance violation. This was considered by the Federal Elections Commission and they passed on it for that very reason. Even if it were a campaign finance violation that stature of limitations has passed as well.

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The FEC passed on recommending Trump be tried for election law violations because the vote was a tie, 2 democrats voted to proceed and 2 republicans disagreed. The tie breaker was a republican who abstained. The report from the investigation committee indicated that Trump could be charged with election fraud. That report will certainly be in Bragg’s hands at at the trial.

If the payoffs would have existed irrespective of the campaign, it’s not a campaign law violation. However, Cohen has said that the payoffs definably were election related. If the jury believes Cohen, who has been known to lie under oath, it is very likely that Trump would be convicted provided he is actually charged. Even if he is not charged, Bragg is still going have to convict the jury that Trump is guilty of election fraud in order for the falsifying business records charge to be treated as a felony unless comes up with another violations.

IMHO, I think a guilty verdict as a felony is unlikely based on what we now. He will likely be found guilty of falsifying business records but without another connected crime it will be a misdemeanor. Regardless of what happens he is not going to jail, he will still be able to run for president, and his supporters will careless weather he is a convicted felon or not.

 

[Flopper]

That's not the case here. Of course you already know that.

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If you committed the same violation 34 times, you should be charged 34 times.

 

[OKTexas]

The FEC passed on recommending Trump be tried for election law violations because the vote was a tie, 2 democrats voted to proceed and 2 republicans disagreed. The tie breaker was a republican who abstained. The report from the investigation committee indicated that Trump could be charged with election fraud. That report will certainly be in Bragg’s hands at at the trial.

If the payoffs would have existed irrespective of the campaign, it’s not a campaign law violation. However, Cohen has said that the payoffs definably were election related. If the jury believes Cohen, who has been known to lie under oath, it is very likely that Trump would be convicted provided he is actually charged. Even if he is not charged, Bragg is still going have to convict the jury that Trump is guilty of election fraud in order for the falsifying business records charge to be treated as a felony unless comes up with another violations.

IMHO, I think a guilty verdict as a felony is unlikely based on what we now. He will likely be found guilty of falsifying business records but without another connected crime it will be a misdemeanor. Regardless of what happens he is not going to jail, he will still be able to run for president, and his supporters will careless weather he is a convicted felon or not.

You once again seem to be forgetting that the statute of limitations on all counts have passed. Bragg's theory on tolling the statutes is total crap.

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[OKTexas]

If you committed the same violation 34 times, you should be charged 34 times.

Several of the dates in the indictment were repeats, and they didn't say what the other "crime" that the bookkeeping furthered. As someone said, it all fucking weak sauce.

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[Flopper]

You once again seem to be forgetting that the statute of limitations on all counts have passed. Bragg's theory on tolling the statutes is total crap.

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The crime Trump is charge with is New York penal code 175.10 as a felony. The statue of limitations in New York for felonies is 5 years. So 5 years from 2017 would seem to have passed the statue of limitations except for the fact that there are exceptions. One of those exceptions extends the period of limitations by the period Trump has resided outside of New York. 2023 is will certainly within that period. So 2023 will be within the statue of limitations. Prosecutors are well adhere of the ticking clock

 

[Flopper]

Several of the dates in the indictment were repeats, and they didn't say what the other "crime" that the bookkeeping furthered. As someone said, it all fucking weak sauce.

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The dates you saw are for the different documents that were falsified. The statue for all of those dates is 175.10

 

[dudmuck]

The crime Trump is charge with is New York penal code 175.10 as a felony. The statue of limitations in New York for felonies is 5 years. So 5 years from 2017 would seem to have passed the statue of limitations except for the fact that there are exceptions. One of those exceptions extends the period of limitations by the period Trump has resided outside of New York. 2023 is will certainly within that period. So 2023 will be within the statue of limitations. Prosecutors are well adhere of the ticking clock

Has the Statute of Limitations Run Out on the Stormy Daniels Payment?

What seemed like any other New Yorker moving down to Florida might end up being the most consequential decision of former President Donald Trump's life.

www.newsweek.com

it explains there how the 5 year clock could have been stopped, since he didnt reside in the state of new york while president. It also describes some possible arguments that could be used to argue that the clock didnt stop.

 

[meaner gene]

it explains there how the 5 year clock could have been stopped, since he didnt reside in the state of new york while president. It also describes some possible arguments that could be used to argue that the clock didnt stop.

This is where the DeSantis statement that he would block Trumps extradition from Florida adds a new twist. It means that the governor of another state could effectively pardon the crimes of another state by protecting the indicted from extradition until the various statues of limitation, or speedy trial requirements run out.

Tolling prevents someone from benefiting by using various evasive methods to run out the clock.

 

[OKTexas]

The crime Trump is charge with is New York penal code 175.10 as a felony. The statue of limitations in New York for felonies is 5 years. So 5 years from 2017 would seem to have passed the statue of limitations except for the fact that there are exceptions. One of those exceptions extends the period of limitations by the period Trump has resided outside of New York. 2023 is will certainly within that period. So 2023 will be within the statue of limitations. Prosecutors are well adhere of the ticking clock

Wrong again skippy, the Trump organization HQs has always been in NYC, also Trumps calendar has always been public. The prosecution can hardly argue that he was unavailable. Plus there is no prohibition of a State bringing a case against a sitting president, just ask willie clinton. Arkansas brought a case against him while in office. Like I said, Bragg's opinion on tolling the statutes of limitations wouldn't hold water in an impartial court.

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[OKTexas]

The dates you saw are for the different documents that were falsified. The statue for all of those dates is 175.10

Dummy, that is the falsification of business records, all the counts cited an unspecified crime that was furthered by the ledger entries. Once again, in unbiased court, such an insufficient indictment would have never been allowed to stand. You can't constitutionally cite an unspecified crime in an indictment, it denies the defendant of their 6th and 14th amendment rights to due process.

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[OKTexas]

Has the Statute of Limitations Run Out on the Stormy Daniels Payment?

What seemed like any other New Yorker moving down to Florida might end up being the most consequential decision of former President Donald Trump's life.

www.newsweek.com

it explains there how the 5 year clock could have been stopped, since he didnt reside in the state of new york while president. It also describes some possible arguments that could be used to argue that the clock didnt stop.

He was legally a resident of NY till just before he left office and changed his legal residence to FL. Also the Trump HQ never left NYC. How does it feel to believe in fairy tales as a supposed adult?

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[Lesh]

He was legally a resident of NY till just before he left office and changed his legal residence to FL. Also the Trump HQ never left NYC. How does it feel to believe in fairy tales as a supposed adult?

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We’ll we know what you think (or have been told to think by… who… Tucker?).

Let’s see what the courts say shall we?

 

[OKTexas]

We’ll we know what you think (or have been told to think by… who… Tucker?).

Let’s see what the courts say shall we?

The only chance of getting an objective hearing will be when the case reaches the federal appeals courts. No republican can expect actual due process in NYC or DC, or other cities where Soros funded DAs have infected the justice system.

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[Flopper]

Has the Statute of Limitations Run Out on the Stormy Daniels Payment?

What seemed like any other New Yorker moving down to Florida might end up being the most consequential decision of former President Donald Trump's life.

www.newsweek.com

it explains there how the 5 year clock could have been stopped, since he didnt reside in the state of new york while president. It also describes some possible arguments that could be used to argue that the clock didnt stop.

Yes, there could be arguments but the law is pretty clear. Any contiguous period would be added to the limitation. Since the limitation would normally end in 2022, all that would be needed is about 1 to 2 years. You know prosecutors are well aware of their time limitations. That is something every prosecutors pays close attention. I can't imagine Bragg missing this in such a high profile case.