Red states building a nation within a nation

[Nostra]

And this is why republicans fail.

Before Biden took office what was the exact condition America was in?. I'm talking about at the time of election, not 2 years before the election. The vaccines were developed and there was no distribution strategy. So don't cling to that.

If Hillary had been president the pandemic response team would have handled the pandemic, the defense production act would have been invoked and the pandemic would have been controlled with fewer deaths and infections. Hillary would not have been running around the country hawking hydroxychloroquine, there would have been no statements made about spraying disinfectant into peoples lungs. Hillary would have warned us about the severity of the virus from the beginning and she would not have made wearing a mask political.

Inflation is global right now and it has nothing to do with Biden. And if republicans get control of congress you will learn this as they will do nothing because there is nothing they can do.

One more thing, IQ2: Why do you try to blame Trump for a GLOBAL PANDEMIC and then try to give your Vegetable Messiah a pass on the US rampant inflation by claiming inflation is up around the globe?

Do you even know what a hypocritical ass you look like?

 

[lantern2814]

and your side lets violent thugs back out onto the streets after committing violent crimes with their cashless bail crap ! no one in their right mind would want to move to a bizzaro world leftist shithole where elderly bodega workers are thrown into Riker's for defending themselves and in the same shithole people with violent records are released after assaulting a cop near a subway platform ! your party is absolutely insane !

The guy who attacked Zeldin at his rally got released with no bail. For “attempted “ assault of a gubernatorial candidate. Only plus is that the incident could well propel Zeldin to the Governor’s mansion. It took very public outcry for the feds to do something and charge the attacker.

 

[lantern2814]

This lie via purposefully skewed statistical jigging gets debubked at least 3-4 times a year.....go away, fool.

The SALT deductions (that Trump capped, hitting the rich hardest, but that’s another story) meant that red states were basically subsidizing the blue states every tax season. But that somehow never gets brought up....

 

[lantern2814]

We have seen what happens to the country under Republican rule. A collapsed economy headed for depression and a mismanaged pandemic that killed several hundred thousand and is the cause of our problems now.

Hey racist, the economy collapsed and is in recession under your massa Xiden. More people dead from Covid despite 3 “vaccines” and a plan that Pedo Peter immediately screwed up. News flash: Republicans aren’t going to be in charge until November. Then you’ll cry more....

 

[BrokeLoser]

I lived thru the 50s. That was an awful decade.

Yeah, I’m sure it was terrible living among likeminded human beings.

 

[Batcat]

And this is why republicans fail.

Before Biden took office what was the exact condition America was in?. I'm talking about at the time of election, not 2 years before the election. The vaccines were developed and there was no distribution strategy. So don't cling to that.

If Hillary had been president the pandemic response team would have handled the pandemic, the defense production act would have been invoked and the pandemic would have been controlled with fewer deaths and infections. Hillary would not have been running around the country hawking hydroxychloroquine, there would have been no statements made about spraying disinfectant into peoples lungs. Hillary would have warned us about the severity of the virus from the beginning and she would not have made wearing a mask political.

Inflation is global right now and it has nothing to do with Biden. And if republicans get control of congress you will learn this as they will do nothing because there is nothing they can do.

I will go with what Morgan Stanley says about inflation.

Morgan Stanley Says Inflation Caused by Excessive Biden Spending | Capital Hill News

capitalhillnews.com

Economist Michael Wilson with Morgan Stanley has led a group of the firm’s analysts in reporting that the massive and excessive fiscal stimulus spending by the Biden administration is a direct cause of the skyrocketing inflation that is hammering working Americans.

The report released on Monday said that “the slack” created by the COVID-19 related recession is “being absorbed much faster than usual.” It said that some of the issues have come from supply chain disruptions aggravated by lockdowns, but the larger cause is “excessive fiscal stimulus” allocated and spent in response to the pandemic.

It said that the $1.9 trillion allocation approved in March 2021 just after Biden assumed office was a particular cause, especially as it came just as the U.S. economy was emerging from lockdown mode.

That infusion of cash “turbocharged consumption,” driving the economy to see 40-year highs of inflation. The report says that the surge in consumer demand was too much for supply chains to handle. The already existing supply chain damage added to the shortage of consumer goods and rising prices.

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The fact remains that Operation Warp Speed was an outstanding success and Trump deserves credit. Trump is a businessman, Hillary is a politician. There is a chance Hillary could have led the development of a vaccine but I seriously doubt it as politicians love rules and regulations and the more the better. Politicians have a hard time thinking outside of the box.

Trump's Operation Warp Speed made the 'impossible' possible

May 15th marks the two-year anniversary of President Donald Trump introducing Operation Warp Speed to the world by announcing that America would have millions of safe and effective vaccines delivered to its people before the end of 2020.

www.foxnews.com

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As a small group of us gathered in the Rose Garden two years ago on that warm, humid spring day, we were appropriately confident of our potential success. We had a president who believed deeply in the innovative spirit and ingenuity of the U.S. private sector. We also had a secretary, Alex Azar, who had spent a decade in the pharmaceutical sector and knew more about its motivations and risk thresholds than any of his predecessors.

Add to this a four-star general, Gus Perna, whose Army Material Command had been honing its logistical expertise by supporting combat operations in the Middle East for twenty consecutive years. Lastly, we had just recruited two globally-recognized vaccine development and manufacturing experts, Moncef Slaoui and Carlo de Notaristefani, respectively. This was an all-star team.

Beyond the members of this small Warp Speed team, however, lurked serious professions of doubt. That very evening on May 15, 2020, for example, Brian Williams was interviewing Dr. Irwin Redlener, Director of Columbia University’s National Center for Disaster Preparedness. When referencing President Trump’s declaration earlier that day, he commented: "It is impossible to get that done by the end of the year." Some may have considered Dr. Redlener’s comments simple political rhetoric, but by historical standards his perspective was well-founded.

The previous best time in history for bringing a safe and effective vaccine to market was approximately four years in the 1960s. This during a time when we were not in the midst of a global pandemic constraining the availability of the very equipment, raw materials, and labor necessary to develop, manufacture, and distribute the vaccines.

What the Operation Warp Speed program accomplished under President Trump’s and Secretary Azar’s leadership in the subsequent seven months was extraordinary and unprecedented.

 

[IM2]

All Rise!

Tonights lesson:

STOP LYING ABOUT THE 1950'S!

Congressional committees and subcommittees met in the 1940s and 1950s to discuss youth violence resulting from reading stories in comic books. Superman, Spiderman, Aqua Man, Captain America and whoever else was a member of the Justice League were held responsible for the outrageously high rate of violent juvenile delinquency during that period.

On June 1, 1953, the United States Senate adopted Senate Resolution 89. This resolution created the Senate Judiciary Committee on Juvenile Delinquency in the United States to study youth crime. The primary focus of this study: “(1) determining the extent and character of juvenile delinquency in the United States and its causes and contributing factors, (2) the adequacy of existing Federal laws dealing with youthful offenders, "(3) sentences imposed on, or other correctional action taken with respect to, youthful offenders by Federal laws dealing with youthful offenders, and (4) the extent to which juveniles are violating Federal laws relating to the sale or use of narcotics."

Let us take a look at some of the findings. “In the 8-year period, from 1948 through 1956, juvenile court cases more than doubled while the child population of that age group increased only 19 percent. As in previous years, the increase is at a much greater rate in rural areas than in urban areas, and the ratio of 5 boy delinquents to every 1 girl delinquent is still in evidence.”

“In the year 1956, there were upwards of 1,300,000 boys and girls coming to the attention of local law-enforcement officers. Approximately one-fourth of the police cases are referred to juvenile courts. The remaining juvenile court cases are referred from individuals and other agencies in. the community.”

From 1948 until 1956, juvenile crime rose in rural areas. Juvenile crime was rising faster than juvenile population growth. This was primarily happening in white communities. With mom and pops at home, before the sexual revolution. Back in the day, as we say, the switchblade knife was the cause of a lot of deaths and suffering.

“Of the robberies committed in 1956, 43.2 percent were by persons under 21 years of age. A switchblade knife is frequently part of the perpetrator's equipment in this type of crime. In New York City alone in 1956, there was an increase of 92.1 percent of those under 16 arrested for the possession of dangerous weapons, one of the most common of which is the switchblade knife.

Out of several hundred questionnaires sent by the subcommittee to purchasers of switchblade knives, whose names were derived from a distributor's mailing list, 133 responses have been received. Seventy--five percent of the purchasers were under 20 years of age, and of this group, 43 percent were between 11 and 15 years of age. Of the persons responding to the questionnaire, only a small portion claimed that the knives were secured for a constructive purpose.

In addition to the interviews with manufacturers and distributors and the receipt of information from questionnaires, staff contact was made with some of the purchasers in the immediate area and numerous retail stores. The proprietors of these stores conceded that the bulk of the demand for switchblade knives came from juveniles, some as young as 8 or 9 years of age.

A major outlet for the switchblade knife are military supply stores which are located near military installations.”

Kids ordered switchblades by mail or purchased them in military supply stores. In 1956, not 1996, or the period of “American Carnage” inaccurately described by president number 45, 43 percent of the robberies in this country were committed by people under the age of 21. With mom and dad at home. When the family consisted of Ward, June, Wally, and the beaver, not Adam and Steve or Joni and Jane.

Over one million incidents between youth and police. Over 500,000 cases in juvenile courts. From 1948 through 1956, there were annual increases in juvenile cases heard before the courts. These increases in juvenile crime were by kids from eight to eighteen. The owners of the military supply stores stated to members of the judiciary committee that most switchblade purchases in their stores were made by youth. High school children were walking American streets carrying switchblades. These were the good old days.

 

[IM2]

I will go with what Morgan Stanley says about inflation.

Morgan Stanley Says Inflation Caused by Excessive Biden Spending | Capital Hill News

capitalhillnews.com

Economist Michael Wilson with Morgan Stanley has led a group of the firm’s analysts in reporting that the massive and excessive fiscal stimulus spending by the Biden administration is a direct cause of the skyrocketing inflation that is hammering working Americans.

The report released on Monday said that “the slack” created by the COVID-19 related recession is “being absorbed much faster than usual.” It said that some of the issues have come from supply chain disruptions aggravated by lockdowns, but the larger cause is “excessive fiscal stimulus” allocated and spent in response to the pandemic.

It said that the $1.9 trillion allocation approved in March 2021 just after Biden assumed office was a particular cause, especially as it came just as the U.S. economy was emerging from lockdown mode.

That infusion of cash “turbocharged consumption,” driving the economy to see 40-year highs of inflation. The report says that the surge in consumer demand was too much for supply chains to handle. The already existing supply chain damage added to the shortage of consumer goods and rising prices.

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The fact remains that Operation Warp Speed was an outstanding success and Trump deserves credit. Trump is a businessman, Hillary is a politician. There is a chance Hillary could have led the development of a vaccine but I seriously doubt it as politicians love rules and regulations and the more the better. Politicians have a hard time thinking outside of the box.

Trump's Operation Warp Speed made the 'impossible' possible

May 15th marks the two-year anniversary of President Donald Trump introducing Operation Warp Speed to the world by announcing that America would have millions of safe and effective vaccines delivered to its people before the end of 2020.

www.foxnews.com

***snip***

As a small group of us gathered in the Rose Garden two years ago on that warm, humid spring day, we were appropriately confident of our potential success. We had a president who believed deeply in the innovative spirit and ingenuity of the U.S. private sector. We also had a secretary, Alex Azar, who had spent a decade in the pharmaceutical sector and knew more about its motivations and risk thresholds than any of his predecessors.

Add to this a four-star general, Gus Perna, whose Army Material Command had been honing its logistical expertise by supporting combat operations in the Middle East for twenty consecutive years. Lastly, we had just recruited two globally-recognized vaccine development and manufacturing experts, Moncef Slaoui and Carlo de Notaristefani, respectively. This was an all-star team.

Beyond the members of this small Warp Speed team, however, lurked serious professions of doubt. That very evening on May 15, 2020, for example, Brian Williams was interviewing Dr. Irwin Redlener, Director of Columbia University’s National Center for Disaster Preparedness. When referencing President Trump’s declaration earlier that day, he commented: "It is impossible to get that done by the end of the year." Some may have considered Dr. Redlener’s comments simple political rhetoric, but by historical standards his perspective was well-founded.

The previous best time in history for bringing a safe and effective vaccine to market was approximately four years in the 1960s. This during a time when we were not in the midst of a global pandemic constraining the availability of the very equipment, raw materials, and labor necessary to develop, manufacture, and distribute the vaccines.

What the Operation Warp Speed program accomplished under President Trump’s and Secretary Azar’s leadership in the subsequent seven months was extraordinary and unprecedented.

You go with anyone you want but Morgan Stanley is wrong and we all experienced trumps failure to manage the pandemic.

 

[BS Filter]

A good summary of the movement to create a sub-culture (or sub-country really) within America by the right. Basically its another assault by the red states to suppress the rights of Americans within their state borders.. last time being Jim Crow. Everything old is new again, or history repeats itself if you prefer.

Red states are building a nation within a nation - CNNPolitics

"It's not at the level of Jim Crow, or certainly the difference between slave states and free states, but the differences are major," says Jake Grumbach, a University of Washington political scientist who studies divergence among the states. And like Kettl, Grumbach believes the economic and political differences between the red and blue states are on track to only widen.

Seen as a whole, the red states' drive to set their own rules, while blocking any interference from either blue-leaning local governments or a Democratic-controlled federal government, represents the broadest effort to carve out a separate sphere of influence since the fierce resistance to reconstruction across the South after the Civil War that ultimately led to Jim Crow segregation, Kettl believes. In some respects, he argues, red states are displaying a greater separatist impulse today than the South did then.

For now, Kettl sees the initial red state Republican goal primarily as consolidating these new rules and blocking any interference -- what he calls "an effort to build very high castle walls with a very deep moat." But like Grumbach and other experts on state policy, Kettl is dubious that Republicans will settle for imposing their values solely on the states now under their control. As the red states pursue a more consistent and coordinated course, Kettl predicts that Republicans will "try to impose [this] policy on the nation as a whole" if they achieve the federal power to do so.

Blue states such as California, New York, Illinois and Colorado have moved forcefully over the past two years to expand many of the liberties now under siege in the red states. But congressional Republicans while in the minority have already introduced proposals that would apply the red state rules across the entire nation on many of these same issues. The new social order red states are now sketching behind their "castle" walls may offer the best preview of what Republicans will try to impose on all states the next time they achieve unified control of the White House and Congress in Washington.

Boo.

 

[IM2]

The fact remains that Operation Warp Speed was an outstanding success and Trump deserves credit. Trump is a businessman, Hillary is a politician. There is a chance Hillary could have led the development of a vaccine but I seriously doubt it as politicians love rules and regulations and the more the better. Politicians have a hard time thinking outside of the box.

Trump is a failed businessman. He screwed up a billion dollar business he was given. He blew 900 million in one year and as he left office, owed almost 1/2 billion dollars to various creditors. He knew nothing about public policy and a pandemic was a situation that needed a person adept at implementing public policy. You anti government wacks miss one essential fact:

GOVERNMENT IS A BUSINESS!

Hillary would have been able to use the tools available to get the job done. You're talking only about the vaccine, trump failed to produce the equipment necessary to effectively mitigate the pandemic before the vaccine was done.

 

[Missourian]

You're talkng about people who get their "news" from degenerates like Carlson, Hannity & Ingraham & who vote for & defend slime like Trump, MTG, Gaetz & Cruz.

There's no turning back for these people until the hammer comes down on THEM.

Good luck with that. You soft handed pansies wouldn't know which end of a hammer to hold.

 

[Missourian]

What would happen if blue states stopped paying for red states?​

A recent Rockefeller Institute study makes clear how much money flows out of Democratic-leaning states into Republican-leaning ones.
By Eric Black | Columnist, Dec. 15, 2021

if the government taxed less and spent less, rich people and businesses predominantly in blue states would save a lot of money on their taxes, and poor people and businesses predominantly in red states would lose a lot of federal aid.

I rely for that paragraph on Paul Krugman’s latest column, which in turn relied on a just-released report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government, which found that blue states pay significantly more than their per capita share into the federal treasury, and red states get significantly more than their share of the benefit of how those taxes are spent...

Laura Schultz, executive director of research for the Rockefeller Institute, wrote up the results. The list of states that pay more than their pro-rata share into the federal treasury is overwhelmingly Democratic, that is to say blue. The list of states that benefit most per capita from federal spending is overwhelming red, that is to say, Republican.

What would happen if blue states stopped paying for red states? - MinnPost

A recent Rockefeller Institute study makes clear how much money flows out of Democratic-leaning states into Republican-leaning ones.

www.minnpost.com

What? Lower taxes???

The Democrats will have your head for even suggesting it!

 

[OKTexas]

A good summary of the movement to create a sub-culture (or sub-country really) within America by the right. Basically its another assault by the red states to suppress the rights of Americans within their state borders.. last time being Jim Crow. Everything old is new again, or history repeats itself if you prefer.

Red states are building a nation within a nation - CNNPolitics

"It's not at the level of Jim Crow, or certainly the difference between slave states and free states, but the differences are major," says Jake Grumbach, a University of Washington political scientist who studies divergence among the states. And like Kettl, Grumbach believes the economic and political differences between the red and blue states are on track to only widen.

Seen as a whole, the red states' drive to set their own rules, while blocking any interference from either blue-leaning local governments or a Democratic-controlled federal government, represents the broadest effort to carve out a separate sphere of influence since the fierce resistance to reconstruction across the South after the Civil War that ultimately led to Jim Crow segregation, Kettl believes. In some respects, he argues, red states are displaying a greater separatist impulse today than the South did then.

For now, Kettl sees the initial red state Republican goal primarily as consolidating these new rules and blocking any interference -- what he calls "an effort to build very high castle walls with a very deep moat." But like Grumbach and other experts on state policy, Kettl is dubious that Republicans will settle for imposing their values solely on the states now under their control. As the red states pursue a more consistent and coordinated course, Kettl predicts that Republicans will "try to impose [this] policy on the nation as a whole" if they achieve the federal power to do so.

Blue states such as California, New York, Illinois and Colorado have moved forcefully over the past two years to expand many of the liberties now under siege in the red states. But congressional Republicans while in the minority have already introduced proposals that would apply the red state rules across the entire nation on many of these same issues. The new social order red states are now sketching behind their "castle" walls may offer the best preview of what Republicans will try to impose on all states the next time they achieve unified control of the White House and Congress in Washington.

Wow, federalism, it appears you commies aren't familiar with the concept. Go freaking figure. LMAO

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[OKTexas]

Making their states even worse places to live and invest is apparently a winning strategy for them. Oh well Amazon always needs more box stuffers.

Yeah, those are the States people are moving to after leaving the blue shitholes.

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[OKTexas]

I, for one, cannot wait till theres a big assed fence around ALL of Texas!!

Me too.

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[OKTexas]

I've been saying it for weeks: We're going to look like the Middle East, with stark differences between the states based on the nature and intensity of their religious dogma.

I wonder how many of the rubes fully understand what they're backing.

Sure we do, it's called federalism. Exactly what the founders intended.

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[OKTexas]

And they do that by controlling the states.

The states decide who the president is, not the people.

The states decide who controls the Senate, not the people.

And the states decide who controls the Federal judiciary, not the people – the president makes judicial nominations confirmed by the Senate, control of both determined by the states, not the people.

Indeed, conservatives have already taken control of the judiciary.

The 17th Amendment says you're a fucking liar.

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[Dragonlady]

One group wants to kill babies and keep people from defending themselves. It ain't the red states.

One Party believes in democracy, and the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The other party wants a stratified society where while males rule and every one else knows "their place".

 

[OKTexas]

Conservatives want to:

Deny same-sex couples access to marriage law.

Criminalize homosexuality.

Criminalize being transgender

Deny undocumented immigrants access to state services.

Deny criminal defendants the right to counsel.

Mandate prayer in public schools.

Conjoin church and state.

Conservatives have succeeded in denying women their right to privacy.

In essence, conservatives want to destroy the 14th Amendment judicial edifice that applies the Bill of Rights to the states and local jurisdictions; once no longer subject to that case law, Republican state lawmakers can pursue the above agenda.

You need a shit load of links if you're going to prove any of that crap.

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[OKTexas]

Exactly.

And conservatives will pursue this goal behind the façade of the “states’ rights” lie.

States have powers, people have rights, don't you know anything about the Constitution?

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