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... So you think kind arguments appealing to human freedoms are evil?
I do not know his answer but my answer would be: "Yes". An example for such a freedom: "No one has any right to forbid children to have free sex: Every child has the right to chose the own sexual partner." That's not a joke! I remember such a text in German from the year 1985. The whole text was made from lawyers of the left political spectrum, who tried to eliminate all sexual crimes. Everything should be allowed. They fought with this text for the rights of homosexual and pedophile men. The most homosexual men were shocked too, women anyway. It never became a law.
In general: We have a lot of "freedoms" which are no freedom at all. The freedom to use drugs for example is as long a freedom as you do not use drugs. Afterwards, when you use drugs (better to say when drugs use you), nothing is freedom any longer - except you are able to win back your freedom in a long heavy fight against yourself with the help of some (professional) friends. A "brainwashing" sentence in such a context is for example "Alone you are not able to win - but only alone you will win".
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
What you say here shows to me that there's indeed not a big distance between intentional ignorance and a criminal behavior. Buy a good book about developmental psychology and take a look what's written there for example about "magic age". You would be a child abuser on your own, if you would try to force children to make idiotic decisions about the own gender - what's completely unimportant for children - while you would the same time try to eliminate the normal human development. Or let me say it in a way so very child is able to understand it: Santa Claus (=Saint Nicholas, born much more than 1500 years ago in Myra) still exists - and presents will come. We - all children under 120 years will find ways - whether you try to steal the Christmas presents of all children or not.
... So you think kind arguments appealing to human freedoms are evil?
I do not know his answer but my answer would be: "Yes". An example for such a freedom: "No one has any right to forbid children to have free sex: Every child has the right to chose the own sexual partner." That's not a joke! I remember such a text in German from the year 1985. The whole text was made from lawyers of the left political spectrum, who tried to eliminate all sexual crimes. Everything should be allowed. They fought with this text for the rights of homosexual and pedophile men. The most homosexual men were shocked too, women anyway. It never became a law.
In general: We have a lot of "freedoms" which are no freedom at all. The freedom to use drugs for example is as long a freedom as you do not use drugs. Afterwards, when you use drugs (better to say when drugs use you), nothing is freedom any longer - except you are able to win back your freedom in a long heavy fight against yourself with the help of some (professional) friends. A "brainwashing" sentence in such a context is for example "Alone you are not able to win - but only alone you will win".
Wow. That was some post. Are all freedoms evil? Is our freedom of speech and the press the same as freedom to be a pedophile? Why don't you rethink your post and try again, only use a little less crazy this time.
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
What you say here shows to me that there's indeed not a big distance between intentional ignorance and a criminal behavior. Buy a good book about developmental psychology and take a look what's written there for example about "magic age". You would be a child abuser on your own, if you would try to force children to make idiotic decisions about the own gender - what's completely unimportant for children - while you would the same time try to eliminate the normal human development. Or let me say it in a way so very child is able to understand it: Santa Claus (=Saint Nicholas, born much more than 1500 years ago in Myra) still exists - and presents will come. We - all children under 120 years will find ways - whether you try to steal the Christmas presents of all children or not.
Why are you trying to changing to gender, when religion is the subject?
Typical right winger tactic. Can't justify your belief? Change the subject.
Science isn't the bedrock or rational science we want it to be.
As typed on an electric keyboard attached to a quantum mechanical machine and sent via satellites relying completely on general relativity and cables relying on the photoelectric effect, and as shown to me on a screen using electroluminescence...
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
What you say here shows to me that there's indeed not a big distance between intentional ignorance and a criminal behavior. Buy a good book about developmental psychology and take a look what's written there for example about "magic age". You would be a child abuser on your own, if you would try to force children to make idiotic decisions about the own gender - what's completely unimportant for children - while you would the same time try to eliminate the normal human development. Or let me say it in a way so very child is able to understand it: Santa Claus (=Saint Nicholas, born much more than 1500 years ago in Myra) still exists - and presents will come. We (= all children under 120 years) will find ways - whether you try to steal the Christmas presents of all children or not.
Remind me that I don't EVER want to meet any little hellions raised by you.
What a stupid thing to say. As if you could make any predictions about the temperament or morals of my children. I would not deign to do the same of your children, despite my determination that you are brainwashing them with religion.
No doubt, but scientists create dogmas that others eventually broke with to eventualy lead to the breakthroughs.
Yes, but that is because scientists are human beings. And the tool for showing the dogma is incorrect? Science, of course. That's one thing that separates science from religion: It has a method for weeding out things that are false.
I have to ask WHAT dogma north Korean scientist follow about now.
You could ask and get an answer, and still the dogma does not arise from science itself. It arises from religion, namely, the cult of Kim.
Doctors supported smoking, and now they say homosexuality isn't a mental illness.
And science proved both false. You're helping me out, here.
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
What you say here shows to me that there's indeed not a big distance between intentional ignorance and a criminal behavior. Buy a good book about developmental psychology and take a look what's written there for example about "magic age". You would be a child abuser on your own, if you would try to force children to make idiotic decisions about the own gender - what's completely unimportant for children - while you would the same time try to eliminate the normal human development. Or let me say it in a way so very child is able to understand it: Santa Claus (=Saint Nicholas, born much more than 1500 years ago in Myra) still exists - and presents will come. We - all children under 120 years will find ways - whether you try to steal the Christmas presents of all children or not.
Why are you trying to changing to gender, when religion is the subject?
I don't change anything. The world wide successful attacks of the gender-ideology against everything what is marriage and family are an important part of the problems of the western world.
Typical right winger tactic. Can't justify your belief? Change the subject.
What a nonsense. I gave you examples, that's all. The problem is we are able to think a lot of things. But not everything has something to do with reality or is important.
It amazes me just how freeking DUMB smart people can be.
Well sure, because one human mind can only learn so much. The top mind in quantum mechanics today may know jack shit about vaccines or contrails or evolution. So it goes. Also, the pure pursuit of knowledge includes, inherently, an indifference to ethics. Saying this is not a value or virtue judgment of this pursuit, anymore than is saying that lions eat people.. What we know CAN hurt us, but it is better to know and learn to keep it from hurting us than to never know. And I consider that to be a strong ethic.
Humans have always had that need. If mocking and insulting them makes you feel a little better about yourself (it looks like you have a need, too, huh?), have at it.Why do grown adults need a fairy tale to "provide answers and strength?"It provides answers and strength and guidance and comfort to many.
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....all the Catholics I know, including my father's family, grew up Catholic
since they were babies, their parents took them to church and school where they were taught, from their earliest childhood--about Catholicism
...this is like brainwashing kids to believe in ''something''
..sure, they ask them if they want to ''renounce satan, follow jesus, etc--later!--but even this is ''forced'' on them
isn't this the way most religions are?
if I were born in Indonesia, chances are very, very great I would not be Catholic--but Islamic---
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
What you say here shows to me that there's indeed not a big distance between intentional ignorance and a criminal behavior. Buy a good book about developmental psychology and take a look what's written there for example about "magic age". You would be a child abuser on your own, if you would try to force children to make idiotic decisions about the own gender - what's completely unimportant for children - while you would the same time try to eliminate the normal human development. Or let me say it in a way so very child is able to understand it: Santa Claus (=Saint Nicholas, born much more than 1500 years ago in Myra) still exists - and presents will come. We (= all children under 120 years) will find ways - whether you try to steal the Christmas presents of all children or not.
You will find a way to brainwash the kids, no matter what? That's what we thought.
Religion is merely a toehold for the spirit to do a work in a human. It is the humans that throughout history that have adapted their own beliefs into how it all works. Throughout history many were aware that a higher existence was there yet they have not always understood it or accepted it. The science of the spirit has also fascinated people over the ages. In more recent history governments have experimented trying to tap into that higher plain. Druggies have also tried to use drugs to find where that higher plain was but even that fails as it is not something a carnal human can express or hold onto as a carnal possession. it is something like common sense, you either got it or you ain't got it and you roam around aimlessly lost in confusion as to why others believe in something you cannot grasp.....all the Catholics I know, including my father's family, grew up Catholic
since they were babies, their parents took them to church and school where they were taught, from their earliest childhood--about Catholicism
...this is like brainwashing kids to believe in ''something''
..sure, they ask them if they want to ''renounce satan, follow jesus, etc--later!--but even this is ''forced'' on them
isn't this the way most religions are?
if I were born in Indonesia, chances are very, very great I would not be Catholic--but Islamic---
Its best when the answers come from a bedrock of truth, as opposed to speculative dogma with weak foundation.Humans have always had that need. If mocking and insulting them makes you feel a little better about yourself (it looks like you have a need, too, huh?), have at it.Why do grown adults need a fairy tale to "provide answers and strength?"It provides answers and strength and guidance and comfort to many.
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It is a cult that is accepted by the masses.
This is why critical thinking is far more important then being an religious sheep.
... Making kids religious is a form of child abuse.
What you say here shows to me that there's indeed not a big distance between intentional ignorance and a criminal behavior. Buy a good book about developmental psychology and take a look what's written there for example about "magic age". You would be a child abuser on your own, if you would try to force children to make idiotic decisions about the own gender - what's completely unimportant for children - while you would the same time try to eliminate the normal human development. Or let me say it in a way so very child is able to understand it: Santa Claus (=Saint Nicholas, born much more than 1500 years ago in Myra) still exists - and presents will come. We (= all children under 120 years) will find ways - whether you try to steal the Christmas presents of all children or not.
You will find a way to brainwash the kids, no matter what? That's what we thought.
I don't know why some people of the english speaking world are not able to read my German. I will repeat for you what I said:
(1) Every human being was always religious since human beings are existing (except perhaps on reasons of brain defects)
(2) Atheism is a belief
And what I did not say until now: If the USA should need body guards for Santa, we have some ...
