Religion To Disappear By 2041

In the late 1930's I saw grown men cry because they couldn't provide food for their families.

In the late 30's the policies of FDR had been in effect for nearly a decade. If there were any truth to your claim, which there isn't, this would underscore the complete failure of the Roosevelt years.

The banks closed their doors and hung onto their money. Ten men were waiting for any available job.....usual wages, $0.75 for 12 hours. I saw FDR's programs feed poor people and provide care for the destitute. What's your story.....some big inheritance?

1939 was 77 years ago. EVEN if you are 85 (and senile) you were 7 (or 8) years old at the time. What you are doing is reciting dogma from your filthy party. nothing more.
 
The difference is that politicians can and do effect us. Your beliefs however, I could care less about. Unless you are someone who's opinions and beliefs have some financial or health effect upon me, I really could care less concerning what disturbs you or makes you happy. Now, were you to consider contributing a few bucks each month toward my financial well being, then I will listen to your wild-ass opinions.
Ok, then lets go with your well being. Gordy Howe got sick. The only thing that could save him was stem cell but back when Bush was president you bible thumpers made it illegal. Fast forward to earlier this year or late last year Gordy got sick and had to fly down to Mexi/Cali to get the treatment. I hope you have Gordy Howe money if you get sick like he did other wise you are going to suffer and die, all because some religious nuts controlled our president for 8 years. He was kissing their ass because they got him elected and that negatively affected a lot of Americans. How many suffered and/or died because of assholes in religion?

Hockey legend Gordie Howe's stem cell treatment is stirring controversy because the company behind the treatments didn't initially reveal some of the stem cells came from an aborted fetus.

Gordie Howe's stem cell source stirs concern

Right On!!! The Iraq war was one of Bush and God's fiascos. Bush said he prayed for weeks before he invaded. Iraq

Nearly all big christian churches - an exception was as far as I know only the anglican state church - warned Bush not to use the wrong doctrine "preemptive strike" and to attack the Iraq. I heard not even the bishop of his own church - later he left this church - was able to speak with him any longer, so this bishop - a Methodist if I remember well - sent even messages in TV to Bush. But G.W. Bush did not like to hear. To nearly no Christian in the whole world. Whoever made the decision to invade the Iraq had for sure not the authority of the christian churches to do so. In 2006 the Pope of the holy catholic church gave up the title "Patriarch of the West", so we are not any longer church of the West.

and Saddam Hussein had never done anything to harm the U S.....Saddam's mistake was trying to assassinate George H. W. Bush in Qatar, circa 1993.

This letter to Bill Clinton proves the Republicans never got over it. The 4500 young dead Americans died in vain.

December 18, 1998

The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor. The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we
can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely
that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President,
the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate.
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity
in the UN Security Council. We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick


It was the Christian church who re-elected Bush in 2004.


As far as I remember G.W. Bush decided to be a so called "Born again Christian" and as far as I know "Born again Chistians" are not members of any christian church. The people of the USA legitimized his politics in 2004. He was president of the USA - not a representative of a christian church.


Without their support he wouldn't have been elected in 2000 or 2004.
 
Ok, then lets go with your well being. Gordy Howe got sick. The only thing that could save him was stem cell but back when Bush was president you bible thumpers made it illegal. Fast forward to earlier this year or late last year Gordy got sick and had to fly down to Mexi/Cali to get the treatment. I hope you have Gordy Howe money if you get sick like he did other wise you are going to suffer and die, all because some religious nuts controlled our president for 8 years. He was kissing their ass because they got him elected and that negatively affected a lot of Americans. How many suffered and/or died because of assholes in religion?

Hockey legend Gordie Howe's stem cell treatment is stirring controversy because the company behind the treatments didn't initially reveal some of the stem cells came from an aborted fetus.

Gordie Howe's stem cell source stirs concern

I personally am not comfortable with lampshades made from the skin of Jews sent to the camps. It isn't because I am religious, it is because the practice is heinous.

And of course there never was any magical property in fetal stem cells. Adult stem cells work the same.

But you go on and enjoy your lampshades.
 
Did any of you ever consider exactly why the American Indians were here first? It's simple really. They had reservations.
 
Religion is and has always been a thing for the preachers. It's how they make a living. Good Thing.....most of them would starve to death if they had to work for a living.

You may be a bigot, but at least you are stupid and uneducated. :thup:

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Here, you ignorant fool;

List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Yeah, you've really got to be afraid of those mean old Christians. They band together two or three times a week and plot against you folks. They're on USMB all the time cursing you folks and talking bad about you. No wonder you hate them so much.
 
But we do worry about the sanity of our society. Can you imagine over in the middle east there is an atheist and he tells his closest friends he thinks religion is made up, harmful to their society and completely made up and everyone he tells thinks he's the devil and is going to hell and they want to chop his head off?

And excuse me, but here is another example of what bullshit your reply is. You say you don't care what others think or what they do? I call BULLSHIT on that one. For example, I voted for Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry & Obama. What do they all have in common? They all claim to be Christian. Why do they brag so loudly about being a Christian? Because you fucking Christians won't even consider voting for someone who doesn't share your delusion. You'd rather vote for a pot smoking philanderer than an atheist. So don't tell me you don't think about what others do or think because you most certainly do.

Americans Would Rather Vote For A Philandering, Pot-Smoking President Than An Atheist One

Americans Would Rather Vote For A Philandering, Pot-Smoking President Than An Atheist One

So the day you drop your bad attitude about us, we'll drop our bad attitude about you. I wouldn't care that you believe in God if you didn't care so much I don't. Don't you get that? I wouldn't chop a Muslims head off because they believe in God but they would cut mine off for now. And you say we will burn in hell for all eternity, which is much worse than just chopping off my head. So your God is sicker than Allah!

The difference is that politicians can and do effect us. Your beliefs however, I could care less about. Unless you are someone who's opinions and beliefs have some financial or health effect upon me, I really could care less concerning what disturbs you or makes you happy. Now, were you to consider contributing a few bucks each month toward my financial well being, then I will listen to your wild-ass opinions.
Ok, then lets go with your well being. Gordy Howe got sick. The only thing that could save him was stem cell but back when Bush was president you bible thumpers made it illegal. Fast forward to earlier this year or late last year Gordy got sick and had to fly down to Mexi/Cali to get the treatment. I hope you have Gordy Howe money if you get sick like he did other wise you are going to suffer and die, all because some religious nuts controlled our president for 8 years. He was kissing their ass because they got him elected and that negatively affected a lot of Americans. How many suffered and/or died because of assholes in religion?

Hockey legend Gordie Howe's stem cell treatment is stirring controversy because the company behind the treatments didn't initially reveal some of the stem cells came from an aborted fetus.

Gordie Howe's stem cell source stirs concern

Right On!!! The Iraq war was one of Bush and God's fiascos. Bush said he prayed for weeks before he invaded. Iraq

Nearly all big christian churches - an exception was as far as I know only the anglican state church - warned Bush not to use the wrong doctrine "preemptive strike" and to attack the Iraq. I heard not even the bishop of his own church - later he left this church - was able to speak with him any longer, so this bishop - a Methodist if I remember well - sent even messages in TV to Bush. But G.W. Bush did not like to hear. To nearly no Christian in the whole world. Whoever made the decision to invade the Iraq had for sure not the authority of the christian churches to do so. In 2006 the Pope of the holy catholic church gave up the title "Patriarch of the West", so we are not any longer church of the West.

and Saddam Hussein had never done anything to harm the U S.....Saddam's mistake was trying to assassinate George H. W. Bush in Qatar, circa 1993.

This letter to Bill Clinton proves the Republicans never got over it. The 4500 young dead Americans died in vain.

December 18, 1998

The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor. The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we
can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely
that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President,
the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate.
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity
in the UN Security Council. We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.

Sincerely,

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick


It was the Christian church who re-elected Bush in 2004.


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I tried, and tried, and tried and tried again, for 45 years. Sorry, no God exists. I used to believe I had a personal relationship with God but then realized I was talking to myself.

For forty-five years we could try to turn on the water by flipping a light switch, yet no water will appear. God is and does exist. A lot of the trouble is we have expectations that God should appear, and be where, it is most logical to us--whether our logic is based in reality or more of the wishful thinking kind. Just because God is not where we expect Him to be does not rule out His existence. It just rules out He's not where we expected; does not act as we expect.

If he doesn't act the way I want him to....screw him and the hoss he rode in on!
 
In the late 1930's I saw grown men cry because they couldn't provide food for their families.

In the late 30's the policies of FDR had been in effect for nearly a decade. If there were any truth to your claim, which there isn't, this would underscore the complete failure of the Roosevelt years.

The banks closed their doors and hung onto their money. Ten men were waiting for any available job.....usual wages, $0.75 for 12 hours. I saw FDR's programs feed poor people and provide care for the destitute. What's your story.....some big inheritance?

1939 was 77 years ago. EVEN if you are 85 (and senile) you were 7 (or 8) years old at the time. What you are doing is reciting dogma from your filthy party. nothing more.

It's easy to remember being hungry. You ever been hungry?

 
Ok, then lets go with your well being. Gordy Howe got sick. The only thing that could save him was stem cell but back when Bush was president you bible thumpers made it illegal. Fast forward to earlier this year or late last year Gordy got sick and had to fly down to Mexi/Cali to get the treatment. I hope you have Gordy Howe money if you get sick like he did other wise you are going to suffer and die, all because some religious nuts controlled our president for 8 years. He was kissing their ass because they got him elected and that negatively affected a lot of Americans. How many suffered and/or died because of assholes in religion?

Hockey legend Gordie Howe's stem cell treatment is stirring controversy because the company behind the treatments didn't initially reveal some of the stem cells came from an aborted fetus.

Gordie Howe's stem cell source stirs concern

I personally am not comfortable with lampshades made from the skin of Jews sent to the camps. It isn't because I am religious, it is because the practice is heinous.

And of course there never was any magical property in fetal stem cells. Adult stem cells work the same.

But you go on and enjoy your lampshades.
Then why couldn't Gordy Howe get the procedure done here in Michigan? You know, the procedure that saved his life?
 
I tried, and tried, and tried and tried again, for 45 years. Sorry, no God exists. I used to believe I had a personal relationship with God but then realized I was talking to myself.

For forty-five years we could try to turn on the water by flipping a light switch, yet no water will appear. God is and does exist. A lot of the trouble is we have expectations that God should appear, and be where, it is most logical to us--whether our logic is based in reality or more of the wishful thinking kind. Just because God is not where we expect Him to be does not rule out His existence. It just rules out He's not where we expected; does not act as we expect.
I was always told and therefore believed that god was everywhere. He was inside me. He was everything and everywhere.

And yet he is no where.
 
I tried, and tried, and tried and tried again, for 45 years. Sorry, no God exists. I used to believe I had a personal relationship with God but then realized I was talking to myself.

For forty-five years we could try to turn on the water by flipping a light switch, yet no water will appear. God is and does exist. A lot of the trouble is we have expectations that God should appear, and be where, it is most logical to us--whether our logic is based in reality or more of the wishful thinking kind. Just because God is not where we expect Him to be does not rule out His existence. It just rules out He's not where we expected; does not act as we expect.
I was always told and therefore believed that god was everywhere. He was inside me. He was everything and everywhere.

And yet he is no where.

Yep.....I kinda like to be able to see something before I get too carried away.
 
I tried, and tried, and tried and tried again, for 45 years. Sorry, no God exists. I used to believe I had a personal relationship with God but then realized I was talking to myself.

For forty-five years we could try to turn on the water by flipping a light switch, yet no water will appear. God is and does exist. A lot of the trouble is we have expectations that God should appear, and be where, it is most logical to us--whether our logic is based in reality or more of the wishful thinking kind. Just because God is not where we expect Him to be does not rule out His existence. It just rules out He's not where we expected; does not act as we expect.
I was always told and therefore believed that god was everywhere. He was inside me. He was everything and everywhere.

And yet he is no where.

Maybe God doesn't believe in you.
 
I was always told and therefore believed that god was everywhere. He was inside me. He was everything and everywhere.

And yet he is no where.

Perhaps just me, but the phraseology I like better is that in God we live and move and have our being. I don't wish to push this. Instead, is there anything that you took away from Christianity that made a true difference in your life?
 
I was always told and therefore believed that god was everywhere. He was inside me. He was everything and everywhere.

And yet he is no where.

Perhaps just me, but the phraseology I like better is that in God we live and move and have our being. I don't wish to push this. Instead, is there anything that you took away from Christianity that made a true difference in your life?
Of course. If Christianity were all bad it wouldn't exist. It makes you feel good to have a lord in your corner but a lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel and no matter how many people believe it.
 
Of course. If Christianity were all bad it wouldn't exist. It makes you feel good to have a lord in your corner but a lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel and no matter how many people believe it.

I thought, since you don't believe, we were going to leave God out of it? I was thinking more along the lines of learning to forgive, the realization that we, too, are forgiven. Or, perhaps truly loving others to the extent we would like to be loved. Did any of that make a difference in your life?

Your post does have me mulling over the question of why I (or anyone) would want God in my (their) corner. I'm afraid if God were in my corner, He would be bored to tears.
 
I wonder what will ultimately happen to the $600 billion worth of churches, temples etc. which never pay a penny of tax to the U S government. Why should any of my money go to support something which I literally despise?

Unless you donate to a church, your money isn't going to support something you despise. The government does not support churches. There is this thing called separation between church and state.


There is only the illusion of a separation between church and state.

By giving churches of any sort tax free status and by not prosecuting what amounts to physical emotional and psychological abuse of children, crimes legally protected under the guise of freedom of religious expression, the state is intimately involved in supporting 'the Church' probably because religion in general churns out confused and traumatized automatons by the millions that are easily subjugated and further victimized by the state.


Yes. Furthermore, politicians promise money is many to the churches in every 4 years, before the parliamentary elections, probably they to gain more votes.

It is possible that both disappear by 2041? :)
 
I wonder what will ultimately happen to the $600 billion worth of churches, temples etc. which never pay a penny of tax to the U S government. Why should any of my money go to support something which I literally despise?

Unless you donate to a church, your money isn't going to support something you despise. The government does not support churches. There is this thing called separation between church and state.


There is only the illusion of a separation between church and state.

By giving churches of any sort tax free status and by not prosecuting what amounts to physical emotional and psychological abuse of children, crimes legally protected under the guise of freedom of religious expression, the state is intimately involved in supporting 'the Church' probably because religion in general churns out confused and traumatized automatons by the millions that are easily subjugated and further victimized by the state.


Yes. Furthermore, politicians promise money is many to the churches in every 4 years, before the parliamentary elections, probably they to gain more votes.

It is possible that both disappear by 2041? :)

One can only hope
 
Of course. If Christianity were all bad it wouldn't exist. It makes you feel good to have a lord in your corner but a lie is a lie no matter how good it makes you feel and no matter how many people believe it.

I thought, since you don't believe, we were going to leave God out of it? I was thinking more along the lines of learning to forgive, the realization that we, too, are forgiven. Or, perhaps truly loving others to the extent we would like to be loved. Did any of that make a difference in your life?

Your post does have me mulling over the question of why I (or anyone) would want God in my (their) corner. I'm afraid if God were in my corner, He would be bored to tears.
There are lots of lovely things written in the karan and book of Mormons too. Let's use the Mormons as an example. Sure I see that religion has its positives. It wouldn't still exist if it didn't make people feel better about themselves. That doesn't mean the book of Mormon is real

My guess is even if religion is all man made up, you believe the benefits outweigh the negatives.

I believe the truth is the better way. God isn't necessary to making someone feel better about themselves. Take Prince for example. He was a jehova. Maybe the truth would have done him more good. You're a drug addict. You're going to die. Clearly God didn't lead him down the right path.

And if it weren't for religions, it wouldn't matter if you believed in God or not. I see why you people believe. I disagree with your hypothesis but that's OK, right? Not if you believe religions. They say not buying into their cults will send you to hell.

No offense to a God if he exists but he has never visited Mohammad Joseph Smith Moses or Mary.
 

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