Religious Left seeks to impose their dogmas

[Harpy Eagle]

The IRS already makes those calls (which it really isn't equipped to do either) when it determines whether or not to grant tax exempt status, the justification being that the tax exempt "Church" spends the majority of its resources doing work that benefits society.

The problem with his proposal is that if you tax the costs of a not for profit organization that spends everything that takes in on "charity" minus costs where the heck are they going to get the money to pay the taxes?

Research what charitable organizations actually spend contributions on. You may be surprised.

research what churches spend money on. 85 to 90 percent is spent solely on the church and church related activities that have nothing to do with charity

One of the biggest expenses that churches have is in building and maintaining schools to educate the children. Is education considered "charity" in your view? How about church owned hospitals and nursing homes and orphanages?

the vast majority of churches do not have schools or hospitals or orphanages.

It is sad how the modern church has somewhat retreated from the job of helping those in need. The result is a church that is dying in the West and significance that is waning in the community.

i agree totally.

 

[Rustic]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

There is no reason to tax any churches, Taxing everything does no one any good. Career politicians pocket the taxes

 

[progressive hunter]

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The problem here is what is "overhead and administrative costs" and what is "charitable work". If the worshippers of Baal want to commission a new golden calf, is that "charitable work" or just 'overhead"? The Baalist theology might indicate that its charitable work as it provides spiritual benefits to the community as the idols will be more inclined to help out the city.

Making this kind of distinction would require courts to make theological determinations, which is beyond their pay grade.

The IRS already makes those calls (which it really isn't equipped to do either) when it determines whether or not to grant tax exempt status, the justification being that the tax exempt "Church" spends the majority of its resources doing work that benefits society.

The problem with his proposal is that if you tax the costs of a not for profit organization that spends everything that takes in on "charity" minus costs where the heck are they going to get the money to pay the taxes?

Research what charitable organizations actually spend contributions on. You may be surprised.

research what churches spend money on. 85 to 90 percent is spent solely on the church and church related activities that have nothing to do with charity

got a link??

have you ever sat on a budget or finance committee for a Church?

maybe the problem was with your church,,
not going to deny that some churchs are just for personal gain but to lump them all together is just dishonest,,,

 

[anynameyouwish]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

There is no reason to tax any churches, Taxing everything does no one any good. Career politicians pocket the taxes

??

no reason to tax churches?

actually there is the same reason as taxing ANY business.

phony religions should NOT be exempt.

 

[Rustic]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

might be because you shouldnt have to pay taxs for a protected right,,,

Collecting donations and paying staff is not a requirement of the religion.

how would you know ???

I have an extensive background in Christianity including a minor in Biblical History from a Christian university and 20 plus years of being an active member of churches

You should realize that Christianity and religion or two entirely different things?

 

[Polishprince]

phony religions should NOT be exempt.

Define a "phony religion"

Is Islamonazism a phony religion? Is Radical Episcopalianism? Hare Krishnaism? Moonieism?

 

[Rustic]

Any money generated by any group not sent for charitable work should be taxed. Why should overhead and administrative costs be tax-exempt?

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The problem here is what is "overhead and administrative costs" and what is "charitable work". If the worshippers of Baal want to commission a new golden

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

They are non-profit orgs, and have protections from government via the 1st amendment.

That you bitch about it is nothing new.

Do you really think Churches should be forced to accept and perform SSM's?

No, I think they should divorce themselves from the government and pay their taxes and tell the Govt to stay out of their business.

As long as they accept the tax exempt tag they are required to play by the Govt’s rules instead of God’s.

Since when has paying taxes given anyone any rights or say in anything? Now that’s the best fucking joke I’ve heard all day.

 

[Rustic]

Any money generated by any group not sent for charitable work should be taxed. Why should overhead and administrative costs be tax-exempt?

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The problem here is what is "overhead and administrative costs" and what is "charitable work". If the worshippers of Baal want to commission a new golden calf, is that "charitable work" or just 'overhead"? The Baalist theology might indicate that its charitable work as it provides spiritual benefits to the community as the idols will be more inclined to help out the city.

Making this kind of distinction would require courts to make theological determinations, which is beyond their pay grade.

The IRS already makes those calls (which it really isn't equipped to do either) when it determines whether or not to grant tax exempt status, the justification being that the tax exempt "Church" spends the majority of its resources doing work that benefits society.

The problem with his proposal is that if you tax the costs of a not for profit organization that spends everything that takes in on "charity" minus costs where the heck are they going to get the money to pay the taxes?

Research what charitable organizations actually spend contributions on. You may be surprised.

research what churches spend money on. 85 to 90 percent is spent solely on the church and church related activities that have nothing to do with charity

Lol
It seems you’re thinking of cults like the Catholic Church...
Charity is overrated, because it’s subjective to those choosing the charity. The best work any Christian church can do is almost always anonymous, That’s a true charity.

 

[Rustic]

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The problem here is what is "overhead and administrative costs" and what is "charitable work". If the worshippers of Baal want to commission a new golden calf, is that "charitable work" or just 'overhead"? The Baalist theology might indicate that its charitable work as it provides spiritual benefits to the community as the idols will be more inclined to help out the city.

Making this kind of distinction would require courts to make theological determinations, which is beyond their pay grade.

The IRS already makes those calls (which it really isn't equipped to do either) when it determines whether or not to grant tax exempt status, the justification being that the tax exempt "Church" spends the majority of its resources doing work that benefits society.

The problem with his proposal is that if you tax the costs of a not for profit organization that spends everything that takes in on "charity" minus costs where the heck are they going to get the money to pay the taxes?

Research what charitable organizations actually spend contributions on. You may be surprised.

research what churches spend money on. 85 to 90 percent is spent solely on the church and church related activities that have nothing to do with charity

One of the biggest expenses that churches have is in building and maintaining schools to educate the children. Is education considered "charity" in your view? How about church owned hospitals and nursing homes and orphanages?

the vast majority of churches do not have schools or hospitals or orphanages.

Lol
True, But in Christianity “works” get you nowhere in the long-haul...

 

[NightFox]

Any money generated by any group not sent for charitable work should be taxed. Why should overhead and administrative costs be tax-exempt?

You want to tax churches on the money they use to cover their costs? would that also apply to other tax exempt non-profits? What about for profit enterprises, you want to tax them on their costs too?

In return the churches would be free to be as political as they like.

It would.

Yes.

Churches can already be "as political as they like" by voluntarily forgoing their tax exempt status.

No changes necessary.

Why is tax exempt status for churches related to their political participation?

You should direct that question to the morons that wrote the Federal Tax Code.

 

[NightFox]

Any money generated by any group not sent for charitable work should be taxed. Why should overhead and administrative costs be tax-exempt?

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The problem here is what is "overhead and administrative costs" and what is "charitable work". If the worshippers of Baal want to commission a new golden calf, is that "charitable work" or just 'overhead"? The Baalist theology might indicate that its charitable work as it provides spiritual benefits to the community as the idols will be more inclined to help out the city.

Making this kind of distinction would require courts to make theological determinations, which is beyond their pay grade.

The IRS already makes those calls (which it really isn't equipped to do either) when it determines whether or not to grant tax exempt status, the justification being that the tax exempt "Church" spends the majority of its resources doing work that benefits society.

The problem with his proposal is that if you tax the costs of a not for profit organization that spends everything that takes in on "charity" minus costs where the heck are they going to get the money to pay the taxes?

Research what charitable organizations actually spend contributions on. You may be surprised.

What difference would that make? Their operations are already deemed tax exempt in the tax code.

You want to tax them on their "overhead and administrative costs", they don't bring in a profit, so if their operations + costs = 100% of what they take in, where are they going to get the money to pay taxes?

 

[martybegan]

Any money generated by any group not sent for charitable work should be taxed. Why should overhead and administrative costs be tax-exempt?

You want to tax churches on the money they use to cover their costs? would that also apply to other tax exempt non-profits? What about for profit enterprises, you want to tax them on their costs too?

In return the churches would be free to be as political as they like.

It would.

Yes.

Churches can already be "as political as they like" by voluntarily forgoing their tax exempt status.

No changes necessary.

Why is tax exempt status for churches related to their political participation?

You should direct that question to the morons that wrote the Federal Tax Code.

Well the people that created the Johnson amendment that caused all this are all likely dead.

 

[Norman]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

Tired of losing style post... the author came as a total surprise.

 

[Norman]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

Tired of losing style post... the author came as a total surprise.

are you drunk today?

No, it's the perfect ramification of the Golfing Gamma. Maybe you are, if you can't see it.

Yeah, let other religions have a tax-exempt status, but not the only one that was relevant in building the West. Perfectly expected from an undermining Gamma.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

Tired of losing style post... the author came as a total surprise.

are you drunk today?

No, it's the perfect ramification of the Golfing Gamma. Maybe you are, if you can't see it.

Yeah, let other religions have a tax-exempt status, but not the only one that was relevant in building the West. Perfectly expected from an undermining Gamma.

Where the hell did I say that other religions should have a tax-exempt status?

you must be drunk or just really fucking stupid...or most likely both.

 

[toobfreak]

Religious Left seeks to impose their dogmas

Isn't that a rather oxymoronic state to be part of the "Religious Left?" I mean, half of what the Left does is to attack religion! There can be no wiggle room in the interpretation, the Bible expressly condemns homosexuality as a perversion, a sin and an offense in the eyes of God. BTW, marriage is sacred and only between a man and a woman.

And forget was Muslim faith has to say about homosexuality! Indeed, is there ANY religion in the world that accepts it? I mean other than the current jacked off Pope Francis and his merry band of alter boys?

 

[Norman]

There is no reason for churches to have tax exempt status.

also them accepting it in exchange for following governmental rules and regulations goes against what the Bible says.

Tired of losing style post... the author came as a total surprise.

are you drunk today?

No, it's the perfect ramification of the Golfing Gamma. Maybe you are, if you can't see it.

Yeah, let other religions have a tax-exempt status, but not the only one that was relevant in building the West. Perfectly expected from an undermining Gamma.

Where the hell did I say that other religions should have a tax-exempt status?

you must be drunk or just really fucking stupid...or most likely both.

It is implied in the OP.

You always do the same undermining stupidity. Grow a pair.

 

[Norman]

Tired of losing style post... the author came as a total surprise.

are you drunk today?

No, it's the perfect ramification of the Golfing Gamma. Maybe you are, if you can't see it.

Yeah, let other religions have a tax-exempt status, but not the only one that was relevant in building the West. Perfectly expected from an undermining Gamma.

Where the hell did I say that other religions should have a tax-exempt status?

you must be drunk or just really fucking stupid...or most likely both.

It is implied in the OP.

You always do the same undermining stupidity. Grow a pair.

holy fuck, you are stupid and I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are also drunk and this is not just your stupidity.

how desperate are you for attention that in a 6 page thread all you can do is post to me and about me and never even talk about the actual topic?

I have gained more stalkers over the last week than I can count.

Stalkers? Do you realize that this is a public forum and a thread on a front page? More gamma stupidity, no one is taking enough interest in you to come close to stalking Mr. secret king.

When I see a snarky, bitchy comment I usually comment back. You can count on that.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Stalkers? Do you realize that this is a public forum and a thread on a front page? More gamma stupidity, no one is taking enough interest in you to come close to stalking Mr. secret king.

When I see a snarky, bitchy comment I usually comment back. You can count on that.

this being a public forum does not take away the fact you followed me into the thread for sole purpose of getting my attention and not to once address the topic of the thread. In order to do this you twisted my words into something totally out of context with the post I replied to.

 

[Rustic]

Stalkers? Do you realize that this is a public forum and a thread on a front page? More gamma stupidity, no one is taking enough interest in you to come close to stalking Mr. secret king.

When I see a snarky, bitchy comment I usually comment back. You can count on that.

this being a public forum does not take away the fact you followed me into the thread for sole purpose of getting my attention and not to once address the topic of the thread. In order to do this you twisted my words into something totally out of context with the post I replied to.

You are a Collectivist... lol