Remember How Important And Valuable American Lives Were During the Benghazi Hoax?

[MarcATL]

Are you Russian? Your name sounds Russian. Almost Leninesque...only a Russian, anti-American, anti-Constitution, USSR-loving, monarchy-loving windbag would want to give one person so much power. Or a cultist for that matter.

To be fair, all the Deplorable, right-wing, neocon loons on this board come across as authoritarian in nature. They'd be in Jackboots in Germany circa 1933, waving the red flag in St Petersburg in 1917, and at the forefront of the cultural revolution in 1966. The irony - so called constitutionalist, conservative US 'patriots' are in fact the most totalitarian in nature than any form of political idealogue on the planet.

 

[OldLady]

There were tests available .That was what South Korea used. The Trump Admin refused to ask for them. Instead they tried to reinvent the wheel and came up with faulty tests and had to start all over again. We STILL can;t get enough

Oh gosh, it must have slipped your mind to provide the reliable source and working link to support your allegations. Might you please correct this oversight so we can take you post seriously instead of it being the joke is now.

From Snopes:

Claim
The United States "refused" COVID-19 diagnostic tests offered by the World Health Organization.

Rating

Mixture
About this rating
What's True
The U.S. did not use COVID-19 diagnostic tests produced by the World Health Organization (WHO) in favor of producing its own.
What's False
The U.S. did not turn down an offer to use those tests (as no such offer was extended), nor was it unusual for the United States to design and produce its own diagnostic tests in lieu of those made elsewhere.

Did US 'Refuse' COVID-19 Testing Kits from World Health Organization?

Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO.

www.snopes.com

 

[Lesh]

There were tests available .That was what South Korea used. The Trump Admin refused to ask for them. Instead they tried to reinvent the wheel and came up with faulty tests and had to start all over again. We STILL can;t get enough

Oh gosh, it must have slipped your mind to provide the reliable source and working link to support your allegations. Might you please correct this oversight so we can take you post seriously instead of it being the joke is now.

Not that links have a chance of affecting your "thought processes" such as they are but what are you disputing?

That Trump never asked for the German WHO tests? That's self evident

That the CDC tests were a disaster?

That we still don't have enough tests??

 

[Markle]

That friggin video sparked violent protests all around the globe AND was what the CIA blamed for the attack, In fact it WAS part of what the attackers themselves claimed as reason for the attack.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't think there is any preparation that we could have had for a problem this large. The test kits (the only ones approved by the FDA) were defective when the CDC began to pass them around. Why they couldn't figure that out before this hit, I have no idea.

There were tests available .That was what South Korea used. The Trump Admin refused to ask for them. Instead they tried to reinvent the wheel and came up with faulty tests and had to start all over again. We STILL can;t get enough

Wrong. It's the FDA and CDC that really held things up. This article is from March 17th, less than a month from today. Here is what it says:

The FDA’s strict guidance on test confirmations is one of several obstacles that has slowed the federal government’s response to COVID-19. The FDA could change its rules to speed things up, but hasn’t.

A federal directive that’s supposed to speed up the response to a pandemic is actually slowing down the government’s rollout of coronavirus tests.

The directive, issued by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, requires that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a sister agency, retest every positive coronavirus test run by a public health lab to confirm its accuracy. The result, experts say, is wasting limited resources at a time when thousands of Americans are waiting in line to get tested for COVID-19.

The duplicative effort is the latest obstacle that is slowing the federal response to COVID-19, which has infected more than 1,300 people and resulted in 38 deaths in the United States. Progress was already delayed because the CDC decided to make its own test rather than adopting the design endorsed by the World Health Organization. The test then didn’t work properly and had to be fixed. The problems were further compounded by delays in certifying tests by private laboratories as well as a shortage of supplies and raw materials used for testing.

The FDA Is Forcing the CDC to Waste Time Double Testing Some Coronavirus Cases

The FDA’s strict guidance on test confirmations is one of several obstacles that has slowed the federal government’s response to COVID-19. The FDA could change its rules to speed things up, but hasn’t.

www.propublica.org

You see, there are a lot of things that are not in the Presidents hands. Our country is mired in red tape and bureaucracy.

 

[Markle]

There were tests available .That was what South Korea used. The Trump Admin refused to ask for them. Instead they tried to reinvent the wheel and came up with faulty tests and had to start all over again. We STILL can;t get enough

Oh gosh, it must have slipped your mind to provide the reliable source and working link to support your allegations. Might you please correct this oversight so we can take you post seriously instead of it being the joke is now.

From Snopes:

Claim
The United States "refused" COVID-19 diagnostic tests offered by the World Health Organization.

Rating

Mixture
About this rating
What's True
The U.S. did not use COVID-19 diagnostic tests produced by the World Health Organization (WHO) in favor of producing its own.
What's False
The U.S. did not turn down an offer to use those tests (as no such offer was extended), nor was it unusual for the United States to design and produce its own diagnostic tests in lieu of those made elsewhere.

Did US 'Refuse' COVID-19 Testing Kits from World Health Organization?

Criticism over the failure to conduct immediate, widespread coronavirus testing in the U.S. focused on the availability of test kits from the WHO.

www.snopes.com

THANK YOU for digging Lesh in even deeper.

As you know, WHO (the World Health Organization) is a major part of why the problem exists in the first place. Are you sure that's where you want to place your trust?

 

[Dr Grump]

Are you sure that's where you want to place your trust?

The WHO could call the sky green and the grass blue and they'd still be more trustworthy than the Orange Baboon in the WH at the moment...

 

[Lesh]

As you know, WHO (the World Health Organization) is a major part of why the problem exists in the first place. Are you sure that's where you want to place your trust?

Whether that's true or not the fact remains that they had tests that worked and we refused to use them.
South Korea USED those tests...and they're doing a LOT better than we are

 

[Lesh]

"As a COVID-19 coronavirus disease pandemic spread throughout the world in early 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged countries to “test, test, test” for the virus in order to stop it from spreading. WHO officials said the global health organization had provided 1.5 million tests to 120 countries.

“You cannot fight a fire blindfolded,” said WHO Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus during a March 16 press conference. “And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.”

Those tests were AVAILABLE had Trump asked for them

He did not. He instead tried to re-invent the wheel and design new tests that failed spectacularly

 

[Oldestyle]

Oh god! Back to that tired talking point about Stevens "turning down" offers of more security from General Ham? It wasn't that Stevens didn't WANT more security and he wouldn't have LOVED to have taken General Ham up on his offer...but Stevens was prohibited from doing so. First and foremost, it wasn’t in his power to override State policy. His uncommunicative “no’s” to General Ham were a way of complying with State policy, without airing the internal debate between him and his superiors.
Secondly, the issue of diplomatic immunity mattered. The U.S. had no status of forces agreement with Libya, the standard instrument by which the purview of U.S. military security forces is established between America and a foreign country where our forces operate. If a special forces team was there as part of the U.S. diplomatic mission, it had immunity; if it was there under DOD command, its status was unnegotiated: existing in a sort of twilight zone in which its actions – which could well include killing Libyans – would make our soldiers vulnerable to arrest and prosecution, and create major problems for Stevens and the U.S. government.

I can't believe that you on the left are dragging out all the OLD...TIRED...AND TOTALLY DEBUNKED...talking points that the liberal media attempted to use back then to absolve Hillary Clinton of blame for what happened to Christopher Stevens and the other three Americans! It was disgusting when you tried to blame Stevens back then...and it's no better now!

Even his own family are not blaming Hillary. And he was told on several occasions not to go. Fact. He went anyway. Fact. The attack happened after he retired for the night. There was no forewarning (sure, one of the guards saw someone taking a picture of the place, but if that was a 'forewarning' that the state dept should have known about - on the night! - then the White House would be under attack every hour or every day or every week of the year). No, your partisan hackery is noted. When you neocon loons give a shit about the 6,000+ US servicemen and women who have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq due to Bush's war of choice, then you might have the right to act so indignant over four people losing their lives in Benghazi. No charges were laid despite the best intentions of a partisan enquiry. And Hillary already has admitted to her shortcomings over the incident.

You have a piece of shit in the White House at the moment who has done immeasurably more damage to the US in terms of its reputation and deaths, than Hillary or Obama. So, in other words, unless you want to have a fair and honest discussion, go fuck yourself you partisan hack.

Oh bullshit! No foreshadowing? Other Western nations with diplomats in Libya were pulling them out because it had become so unstable! The British Ambassador's motorcade was attacked with an RPG that week! The outer wall of the US Embassy was shattered with an IED shortly before the attack in Benghazi! Even the Red Cross was pulling it's people out because of the dangerous situation but the Clinton State Department ignored repeated requests from Ambassador Stevens to not draw down his security detail. Why did they do so? Because they didn't like the "optics" of having to have a large security force guarding our Ambassador because it sent a message to the Libyans that we didn't trust them! Gee, do you think Hillary would have ever gotten her fat ass off a plane in that country without security? Yeah, right...

 

[Lesh]

Wrong. It's the FDA and CDC that really held things up

Those are agencies that Trump oversaw and appointed the heads of.

He doesn't get to trash his own agencies as if that absolves him.

In fact the head of the CDC was a controversial and as we have seen...inept choice...by TRUMP

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"As a COVID-19 coronavirus disease pandemic spread throughout the world in early 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged countries to “test, test, test” for the virus in order to stop it from spreading. WHO officials said the global health organization had provided 1.5 million tests to 120 countries.

“You cannot fight a fire blindfolded,” said WHO Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus during a March 16 press conference. “And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.”

Those tests were AVAILABLE had Trump asked for them

He did not. He instead tried to re-invent the wheel and design new tests that failed spectacularly

March 28th:

SEOUL (Reuters) – Three Korean coronavirus test-kit makers have won preliminary approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), paving the way for kits to be exported to the United States to help it battle the largest outbreak of the virus.

South Korea’s foreign ministry said that winning the preliminary approval under emergency use authorization will allow the products to be sold in the United States.

The ministry did not name the manufacturers or give a time frame in its statement.

U.S. President Donald Trump this week asked his Korean counterpart to supply the medical devices and promised to help Korean firms gain U.S. regulator approval.

A massive testing campaign, coupled with intensive contact tracing, is credited with helping South Korea slow the spread of the disease, whereas the United States has been criticized for a slow response to the virus.

The approval is expected to speed up the ability to test patients in the United States, where critics say the rolling out of tests has been too slow.

Swiss firm Roche has also won Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA for its test kits.

South Korean coronavirus test kit makers win U.S. FDA pre-approval - Physician's Weekly

By Cynthia Kim SEOUL (Reuters) - Three Korean coronavirus test-kit makers have won preliminary approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), paving the way for kits to be exported to the United States to help it battle the largest outbreak of the virus. South Korea's foreign...

www.physiciansweekly.com

So it was Trump, and not the FDA??? March 28th was a little over two weeks ago.

 

[Dragonlady]

Republicans, self-proclaimed Conservatives and other assorted rightwingers nationwide and here on USMB were besides themselves, daily lamenting the loss of "those 4 precious American souls" and how it was such a travesty and disaster that they died, overseas mind you, on enemy territory, by enemy warfare, but they managed to spin it into this Trumped up scandal that deserved impeachment and investigation after investigation.

At no point did they stop, ever, to say, "hey, this was a mistake, let's not make this partisan", NOPE, they RAMPED up the partisanship, first they tried to pin it on Obama, for two years straight, they hammered him w/"Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" and "American lives, American lives, American lives!" It didn't work though, because Obama trounced their asses handily under that barrage of attacks against him.

And did they stop their political nonsense then? NOPE, they spun on a dime and IMMEDIATELY started attacking Hillary. How "she slept on the job." and how "she wanted them to die" and yada, yada, yada. No cry for temperance was heard or heeded, much less cries to cease this road they were on. They pressed on and on and eventually, through that hoax and other things, managed to take down Hillary, which was their ultimate goal. Then they became silent. They had their prize, no more Benghazi nonsense.

But look at them now. THOUSANDS of Americans are dying, due to TRUE incompetence, recklessness and fecklessness, and these very same Republicans are DEFENDING it.

The SAME ones who said that we need to move heaven and earth, to avenge the loss of 4. American. Lives.

Wha' happened?

It's the fact that black Jesus wouldent get out of bed and address one of his ambassadors was being killed. You know you are blinded by his blackness, but face it, the token negroid diddnt just get those people killed, he refused to get out of bed and deal with it. Hope it's never you.

Everything in your post is false. Obama wasn't in bed when this happen. Nothing he did or did not do was a factor in their deaths. And 7 Republican lead investigations of this event have all agreed that you're lying.

But then you believe Donald Trump so what can we expect.

 

[Dragonlady]

Wrong. It's the FDA and CDC that really held things up

Those are agencies that Trump oversaw and appointed the heads of.

He doesn't get to trash his own agencies as if that absolves him.

In fact the head of the CDC was a controversial and as we have seen...inept choice...by TRUMP

There is no head of the CDC. Trump fired him more than a year ago and hasn't replaced him. No second or third in command either. They were "disloyal".

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong. It's the FDA and CDC that really held things up

Those are agencies that Trump oversaw and appointed the heads of.

He doesn't get to trash his own agencies as if that absolves him.

In fact the head of the CDC was a controversial and as we have seen...inept choice...by TRUMP

Okay, who were the people Trump appointed to run the CDC and the FDA?

 

[Lesh]

Redfield is the head of the CDC and he is an incompetent moron

 

[Rigby5]

Donald Trump wouldn't have hidden in wing of the White House while innocent Americans were being massacred like Obama did. Your thread is beneath you.

I could see getting upset about Benghazi, but not about the fact a group of people attack a US building.
What we should be getting upset about is what was Ambassador Stevens doing hundreds of miles away from the US embassy, in a rebel strong hold filled with ISIS and al Qaeda?

Seems to me Stevens was meeting with rebels in order to arm them and pay them to get involved in Syria.
And that would be both stupid and illegal.

As for Steven setting up a compound in Benghazi, that was stupid and illegal, and there was no way to protect him there. It is a foreign country, so you can't just send in troops or anything.

 

[Lesh]

"As a COVID-19 coronavirus disease pandemic spread throughout the world in early 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged countries to “test, test, test” for the virus in order to stop it from spreading. WHO officials said the global health organization had provided 1.5 million tests to 120 countries.

“You cannot fight a fire blindfolded,” said WHO Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus during a March 16 press conference. “And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.”

Those tests were AVAILABLE had Trump asked for them

He did not. He instead tried to re-invent the wheel and design new tests that failed spectacularly

March 28th:

SEOUL (Reuters) – Three Korean coronavirus test-kit makers have won preliminary approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), paving the way for kits to be exported to the United States to help it battle the largest outbreak of the virus.

South Korea’s foreign ministry said that winning the preliminary approval under emergency use authorization will allow the products to be sold in the United States.

The ministry did not name the manufacturers or give a time frame in its statement.

U.S. President Donald Trump this week asked his Korean counterpart to supply the medical devices and promised to help Korean firms gain U.S. regulator approval.

A massive testing campaign, coupled with intensive contact tracing, is credited with helping South Korea slow the spread of the disease, whereas the United States has been criticized for a slow response to the virus.

The approval is expected to speed up the ability to test patients in the United States, where critics say the rolling out of tests has been too slow.

Swiss firm Roche has also won Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA for its test kits.

South Korean coronavirus test kit makers win U.S. FDA pre-approval - Physician's Weekly

By Cynthia Kim SEOUL (Reuters) - Three Korean coronavirus test-kit makers have won preliminary approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), paving the way for kits to be exported to the United States to help it battle the largest outbreak of the virus. South Korea's foreign...

www.physiciansweekly.com

So it was Trump, and not the FDA??? March 28th was a little over two weeks ago.

March 28?

Those are not the tests that SK used.

They had their first virus death the day we did and they IMMEDIATELY began aggressive testing.

Well before March 28

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Redfield is the head of the CDC and he is an incompetent moron

Sure he is:

Redfield earned a Bachelor of Science from the university's College of Arts and Sciences in 1973. He then attended Georgetown University School of Medicine, and was awarded his Doctor of Medicine in 1977. Redfield's medical residency was undertaken at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC) in Washington, D.C., where he completed his postgraduate medical training and internships in internal medicine (1978-1980). Redfield completed clinical and research fellowships at WRAMC, in infectious diseases and tropical medicine, by 1982.[5]

Redfield continued as a U.S. Army physician and medical researcher at the WRAMC for the next decade, working in the fields of virology, immunology and clinical research. During this period he collaborated with numerous teams at the forefront of AIDS research, publishing several papers and acting as an advocate for strategies to translate knowledge gained from clinical studies to the practical treatment of patients afflicted by chronic viral diseases.[third-party source needed][5][verification needed]

In 1996, Redfield retired from the army as a colonel,[6]:417 to concentrate on setting up a multidisciplinary research organization dedicated to developing research and treatment programs for chronic human viral infection and disease. To this end, he co-founded the Institute of Human Virology based at Maryland, together with his HIV research colleague Robert Gallo and viral epidemiologist William Blattner.[4]

So correct. What an incompetent moron.

 

[Billy000]

Republicans, self-proclaimed Conservatives and other assorted rightwingers nationwide and here on USMB were besides themselves, daily lamenting the loss of "those 4 precious American souls" and how it was such a travesty and disaster that they died, overseas mind you, on enemy territory, by enemy warfare, but they managed to spin it into this Trumped up scandal that deserved impeachment and investigation after investigation.

At no point did they stop, ever, to say, "hey, this was a mistake, let's not make this partisan", NOPE, they RAMPED up the partisanship, first they tried to pin it on Obama, for two years straight, they hammered him w/"Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" and "American lives, American lives, American lives!" It didn't work though, because Obama trounced their asses handily under that barrage of attacks against him.

And did they stop their political nonsense then? NOPE, they spun on a dime and IMMEDIATELY started attacking Hillary. How "she slept on the job." and how "she wanted them to die" and yada, yada, yada. No cry for temperance was heard or heeded, much less cries to cease this road they were on. They pressed on and on and eventually, through that hoax and other things, managed to take down Hillary, which was their ultimate goal. Then they became silent. They had their prize, no more Benghazi nonsense.

But look at them now. THOUSANDS of Americans are dying, due to TRUE incompetence, recklessness and fecklessness, and these very same Republicans are DEFENDING it.

The SAME ones who said that we need to move heaven and earth, to avenge the loss of 4. American. Lives.

Wha' happened?

Republican voters lack any basic critical thinking skills and a sense of objectivity. They are driven by pure emotion. They are, frankly, an international embarrassment.