Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[georgephillip]

He is wrong. Putin miscalculated based on four years of Trump it’s obvious

Putin miscalculated, but, imho, Trump played a very small role in his decision to invade Ukraine. Putin is nearly 70 years old, and he's been in power for over twenty years during which time the US and its European puppets have deliberately positioned hostile military forces on Russian borders:

Is Russia imperialist? | MR Online

"On Putin’s watch NATO doubled its size, established army and air bases throughout Eastern Europe, and created two 'super-bases' including missile facilities in Poland and Rumania.

"Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to maintain more than 800 military bases around the globe and to modernize its nuclear facilities with the aim of threatening (or 'deterring') its Russian and Chinese competitors.

"The rationale for this aggressive posture was the adversary’s alleged tendency to aggress – a classic piece of circular conflict reasoning.

The Ukrainian Conflict and the Imperial World System

"In 2013, Ukraine’s elected leader supported a move to link his nation more closely with Russia than with Europe.

"In response, an uprising backed by the West overthrew him and installed a pro-Western regime in Kyiv.

"Russia responded to this apparent aggression by seizing Crimea, a former Russian territory inhabited by Russian-speakers, and by supporting separatists in the Donbass region.

"This alleged aggression then became a reason for Ukrainian and Western leaders to intensify their campaign to bring Ukraine into the Western orbit.."

 

[Clipper]

There wouldn't have been an invasion if this great man were still in office.

Forgot how Trump blackmailed Zelensky, didga?

 

[georgephillip]

In these two statements, you acknowledge that the USSR and Russia is a discussion of two very different things.

Which came first, Russia or the USSR?

Which countries are you speaking of, being destabilized on the USSR border. You should use, USSR if you are speaking of the USSR. Russia did not exist in 1949.

What MAGA marbles make you "think" Russia did not exist in 1949?

 

[WEATHER53]

Thank our lucky stars he got them to fulfill their responsibility

 

[georgephillip]

You really don't know the history of Russia or the USSR or the Russian Empire? Do you?

i know the history of Russia predates that of the USSR.
Do you believe otherwise?

John Bolton: Trump Is a Putin-Loving Moron Who Thought Finland Was Part of Russia

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Putin miscalculated, but, imho, Trump played a very small role in his decision to invade Ukraine.

Trump had nothing to do with Vladimir Putin’s intention to subjugate Ukraine. But In this case Trump’s role was as a useful idiot. He played the part most inadvertently when Trump orchestrated this “stop the steal“ campaign in the first ever American attempt to overthrow a democratic election in the United States. Up till then the process always worked. There never was such a thing as a January 6 attack on democracy or anything like it ever before. Vladimir Putin calculated American democracy was weak based on January 6 and a divided America might be a good time to use conventional weapons to bring Ukraine to its knees. That was a miscalculation. America was divided but it I was never really weak.

 

[georgephillip]

Your point here?

Russia existed in 1949 and for centuries before that time; why do you believe otherwise?

 

[georgephillip]

Trump had nothing to do with Vladimir Putin’s intention to subjugate Ukraine. But In this case Trump’s role was as a useful idiot.

Who are the major players in Ukraine today?

"Four major empires currently compete for regional hegemony and global superiority. In order of economic and military power, they are the multinational blocs dominated by the United States, China, Europe, and Russia.

"Several up-and-coming regional powers like Turkey and Iran have also asserted their influence in imperial style, but the major players in the Ukraine crisis are the U.S., Europe, and Russia, with China a potential participant."

MARCH 4, 2022

The Ukrainian Conflict and the Imperial World System​

BY RICHARD RUBENSTEIN

 

[elektra]

Which came first, Russia or the USSR?



What MAGA marbles make you "think" Russia did not exist in 1949?

The USSR existed in 1949, as the Russian Empire existed before, and Russia exists after.

By your reasoning, the United States of America existed in 1620 and before?

 

[elektra]

Russia existed in 1949 and for centuries before that time; why do you believe otherwise?

No, that would be the USSR, from 1922 to 1991

Russia exists after 1991

The Russian Empire prior to 1922

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Who are the major players in Ukraine today?

"Four major empires currently compete for regional hegemony and global superiority. In order of economic and military power, they are the multinational blocs dominated by the United States, China, Europe, and Russia.

Which one is the only one bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who committed no threat to it for the past ten days?

 

[elektra]

Putin miscalculated, but, imho, Trump played a very small role in his decision to invade Ukraine. Putin is nearly 70 years old, and he's been in power for over twenty years during which time the US and its European puppets have deliberately positioned hostile military forces on Russian borders:

Is Russia imperialist? | MR Online

"On Putin’s watch NATO doubled its size, established army and air bases throughout Eastern Europe, and created two 'super-bases' including missile facilities in Poland and Rumania.

"Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to maintain more than 800 military bases around the globe and to modernize its nuclear facilities with the aim of threatening (or 'deterring') its Russian and Chinese competitors.

"The rationale for this aggressive posture was the adversary’s alleged tendency to aggress – a classic piece of circular conflict reasoning.

The Ukrainian Conflict and the Imperial World System

"In 2013, Ukraine’s elected leader supported a move to link his nation more closely with Russia than with Europe.

"In response, an uprising backed by the West overthrew him and installed a pro-Western regime in Kyiv.

"Russia responded to this apparent aggression by seizing Crimea, a former Russian territory inhabited by Russian-speakers, and by supporting separatists in the Donbass region.

"This alleged aggression then became a reason for Ukrainian and Western leaders to intensify their campaign to bring Ukraine into the Western orbit.."

Poland can not have weapons? Poland has less weapons than Russia, that is fact. Much less. Perhaps 1% of the weapons of Russia.

Why is Poland not free to do as it pleases, as Russia is obviously free to do as it pleases?

 

[Oldestyle]

Good lord, you're part of the Trump cult aren't you? I understand him all too well, that's the problem. I'm not so naive and gullible I don't recognize a con man when he tells me what's he is. His own advisors tell us that they had to talk him out of leaving NATO. That's when Trump came up with that, "pay their fair share bs," to give himself an out when he finally leaves. He wanted NATO countries to contribute 4% of their GDP even though they already had a guideline in place to raise it to 2% that wouldn't take place for 7 more years. Likely most if not all NATO countries would have reached that goal based on what they're all contributing, but even then, it's just a guideline, it's not an obligation. There's no "fair share" rule. As for that 4% BS, even the United States isn't even contributing 4%!!!! Literally, no country agreed to his demands. How did he make NATO stronger I ask you? I'm surprised you're not dizzy from spinning like a top for Trump.

 

[georgephillip]

Which one is the only one bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who committed no threat to it for the past ten days?

The one surrounded by hostile foreign military bases:

NATO doubled its size and put missile bases in Poland and Rumania since Putin came to power. Finally, the cornered rat struck back, and the same parasitic western capitalists who got rich creating the conflict will get even richer by blaming their victim.

 

[Mac1958]

Forgot how Trump blackmailed Zelensky, didga?

Absolutely amazing, isn't it?

In their defense, their MAGA media ignores that, so it fades from memory.

 

[elektra]

The one surrounded by hostile foreign military bases:

NATO doubled its size and put missile bases in Poland and Rumania since Putin came to power. Finally, the cornered rat struck back, and the same parasitic western capitalists who got rich creating the conflict will get even richer by blaming their victim.

Cornered? Hahahaha. The strength of Russia is its size, that tiny little piece extending into Europe is a buffer zone, some describe as a crumble zone. To call it Putin cornered, is a stretch of the imagination. To call putin cornered and needing to strike back is your imagination pretending putin was at war, that troops were engaged with nato.

Go read a book

 

[georgephillip]

Poland can not have weapons? Poland has less weapons than Russia, that is fact. Much less. Perhaps 1% of the weapons of Russia.

Poland is a member of NATO.

A Russian assault on Poland means all of NATO responds which would likely trigger the use of nuclear weapons on all sides.

 

[j-mac]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

His real BFF Biden is in DC right now…it’s great that the other countries are stepping up with weapons systems, now if Putin’s real BFF would stop funding his madness, and grow a pair, he might realize his aggression won’t stand.

 

[j-mac]

Poland is a member of NATO.

A Russian assault on Poland means all of NATO responds which would likely trigger the use of nuclear weapons on all sides.

Putin isn’t crazy enough to use nukes, he’d be wiped out.

it would be conventional, and Russia would loose.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Right......Trump is so fiscally responsible he ballooned the deficit by over a trillion dollars. This is a man who spent 150 million of taxpayer money on his golf trips alone, lmao. You totally got me. Trump is a stickler when it comes to spending

This man who saved trillions in letting the illegal trash in to breed more fleas like them, this many who prevented war by being a strong leader, this man who cut taxes and funded the military, this man who unfucked up a lot of Obama's scams, this man who cut prescription prices---------$150 million ----Trump was and is worth so much more for the country.