Remind Us how Obama does not want our firearms.

[OKTexas]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

So where can I get Child Porn?

I can't legally.

Does that mean Child Porn doesn't exist? No, but it is illegal.

So right to a gun has to have limitations too.

Now to have loopholes in background checks is the same as having no background checks.

So do the gun guys here want no background checks and if so how do you propose keeping guns out of undesirables hands.

There are people who have had their right to own firearms taken from them, if they're found with one you prosecute them, just like any other crime. No law is effective in preempting crime, if they were there would be no crime, you just deal with them when they occur.

Is it illegal to sell a minor a beer?

You are saying that there is no point because convicted felon will get a gun anyway. How, if it is illegal to sell it to him?

This is about cutting the supply to people who shouldn't have a gun.

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"Remind Us how Obama does not want our firearms."

Obama doesn't want our firearms.

Anyone who maintains otherwise is an ignorant idiot.

And yet he clearly states he wants to ban and outlaw semi automatic weapons that happen to look military. Or didn't you bother to read the link?

 

[IsaacNewton]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

So where can I get Child Porn?

I can't legally.

Does that mean Child Porn doesn't exist? No, but it is illegal.

So right to a gun has to have limitations too.

Now to have loopholes in background checks is the same as having no background checks.

So do the gun guys here want no background checks and if so how do you propose keeping guns out of undesirables hands.

There are people who have had their right to own firearms taken from them, if they're found with one you prosecute them, just like any other crime. No law is effective in preempting crime, if they were there would be no crime, you just deal with them when they occur.

Is it illegal to sell a minor a beer?

You are saying that there is no point because convicted felon will get a gun anyway. How, if it is illegal to sell it to him?

This is about cutting the supply to people who shouldn't have a gun.

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

What law stops all activity that law is meant to stop? Ad absurdum argument.

 

[OKTexas]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

So where can I get Child Porn?

I can't legally.

Does that mean Child Porn doesn't exist? No, but it is illegal.

So right to a gun has to have limitations too.

Now to have loopholes in background checks is the same as having no background checks.

So do the gun guys here want no background checks and if so how do you propose keeping guns out of undesirables hands.

There are people who have had their right to own firearms taken from them, if they're found with one you prosecute them, just like any other crime. No law is effective in preempting crime, if they were there would be no crime, you just deal with them when they occur.

Is it illegal to sell a minor a beer?

You are saying that there is no point because convicted felon will get a gun anyway. How, if it is illegal to sell it to him?

This is about cutting the supply to people who shouldn't have a gun.

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

What law stops all activity that law is meant to stop? Ad absurdum argument.

Bullshit, that is my point exactly, criminals don't care about current laws but you leftist MF's are always crying that one more law would do the trick, that's an Ad absurdum argument.

 

[IsaacNewton]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

So where can I get Child Porn?

I can't legally.

Does that mean Child Porn doesn't exist? No, but it is illegal.

So right to a gun has to have limitations too.

Now to have loopholes in background checks is the same as having no background checks.

So do the gun guys here want no background checks and if so how do you propose keeping guns out of undesirables hands.

There are people who have had their right to own firearms taken from them, if they're found with one you prosecute them, just like any other crime. No law is effective in preempting crime, if they were there would be no crime, you just deal with them when they occur.

Is it illegal to sell a minor a beer?

You are saying that there is no point because convicted felon will get a gun anyway. How, if it is illegal to sell it to him?

This is about cutting the supply to people who shouldn't have a gun.

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

What law stops all activity that law is meant to stop? Ad absurdum argument.

Bullshit, that is my point exactly, criminals don't care about current laws but you leftist MF's are always crying that one more law would do the trick, that's an Ad absurdum argument.

Your point exactly? LOL You are stating that no laws effect behavior so we should not have laws.

Good luck with that.

 

[OKTexas]

There are people who have had their right to own firearms taken from them, if they're found with one you prosecute them, just like any other crime. No law is effective in preempting crime, if they were there would be no crime, you just deal with them when they occur.

Is it illegal to sell a minor a beer?

You are saying that there is no point because convicted felon will get a gun anyway. How, if it is illegal to sell it to him?

This is about cutting the supply to people who shouldn't have a gun.

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

What law stops all activity that law is meant to stop? Ad absurdum argument.

Bullshit, that is my point exactly, criminals don't care about current laws but you leftist MF's are always crying that one more law would do the trick, that's an Ad absurdum argument.

Your point exactly? LOL You are stating that no laws effect behavior so we should not have laws.

Good luck with that.

You fucking ignorant bastard, I said nothing of the sort, I said you deal with people as they break the law, no law will preempt all crime. The tens of thousands gun laws on the books now don't stop criminals using guns and you dumbass leftist assholes demanding more is ridiculous. That's what I said.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Is it illegal to sell a minor a beer?

You are saying that there is no point because convicted felon will get a gun anyway. How, if it is illegal to sell it to him?

This is about cutting the supply to people who shouldn't have a gun.

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

What law stops all activity that law is meant to stop? Ad absurdum argument.

Bullshit, that is my point exactly, criminals don't care about current laws but you leftist MF's are always crying that one more law would do the trick, that's an Ad absurdum argument.

Your point exactly? LOL You are stating that no laws effect behavior so we should not have laws.

Good luck with that.

You fucking ignorant bastard, I said nothing of the sort, I said you deal with people as they break the law, no law will preempt all crime. The tens of thousands gun laws on the books now don't stop criminals using guns and you dumbass leftist assholes demanding more is ridiculous. That's what I said.

Have a pudding pop and relax. LOL wtf

 

[OKTexas]

Are you really that dense, criminals do give a flying flip about any law you put on the books. The CDC has said no gun law has had any major impact on crime, including background checks, because criminals don't go to licensed dealers to buy their guns. And any individual who sells to someone he knows to be ineligible has broken existing law.

I'll tell ya what, when you show me that the strict registration and title requirements on cars stops all car thefts, I'll be happy to discuss any gun law you want.

What law stops all activity that law is meant to stop? Ad absurdum argument.

Bullshit, that is my point exactly, criminals don't care about current laws but you leftist MF's are always crying that one more law would do the trick, that's an Ad absurdum argument.

Your point exactly? LOL You are stating that no laws effect behavior so we should not have laws.

Good luck with that.

You fucking ignorant bastard, I said nothing of the sort, I said you deal with people as they break the law, no law will preempt all crime. The tens of thousands gun laws on the books now don't stop criminals using guns and you dumbass leftist assholes demanding more is ridiculous. That's what I said.

Have a pudding pop and relax. LOL wtf

I don't much appreciate people trying to words in my mouth and I ain't shy about letting them know.

 

[frigidweirdo]

He won't give up, and he's not planning on leaving office.

Any evidence for this?

Are you somebody important or something?

Yeah. I'm a person who needs evidence of stuff in order to be able to believe something.

I gave yo evidence in Obama's own words he wants to take firearms and you deny it. Why would anyone waste time trying to prove something to someone that can not understand basic english?

You gave me evidence huh? I didn't see it. It clearly wasn't posted to me.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yeah I didn't think you could explain it.

You hear RWnuts all the time claim that guns are a right because the Constitution says so, but then they'll insist something else,

like privacy, isn't a right because it isn't explicitly mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lack of US gun control Obama s greatest frustration - Yahoo News

He wants and expects new regulations on firearms specifically protected by the 2nd. Remind us again how Obama is not out to take firearms away again.

How many of your guns has Obama confiscated so far?

That's because we fight him.

-Geaux

A bill designed to close loopholes in the background check system.

The opposition to this bill by the NRA and its extremist supporters PROVES that the NRA does not want to prevent ineligible people from legally obtaining guns.

Are you really that stupid, if an ineligible person obtains a gun they are already breaking the law, they can't "legally obtain a gun".

Can you prosecute someone who makes a private sale to a felon if the private sale did not require a background check?

 

[Auld Phart]

How hard did that apple hit your head, Isaac?

You have nothing, move on to the basket weaving forum.

You have nothing but hyperbole.

Try decaf for a while.

 

[Auld Phart]

Lack of US gun control Obama s greatest frustration - Yahoo News

He wants and expects new regulations on firearms specifically protected by the 2nd. Remind us again how Obama is not out to take firearms away again.

How many of your guns has Obama confiscated so far?

That's because we fight him.

-Geaux

A bill designed to close loopholes in the background check system.

The opposition to this bill by the NRA and its extremist supporters PROVES that the NRA does not want to prevent ineligible people from legally obtaining guns.

Are you really that stupid, if an ineligible person obtains a gun they are already breaking the law, they can't "legally obtain a gun".

Can you prosecute someone who makes a private sale to a felon if the private sale did not require a background check?

Probably.

 

[Auld Phart]

I think we must consider what our founding fathers considered arms.

Why?

Do you take into consideration what they meant by 'the press' in the First Amendment?

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many of your guns has Obama confiscated so far?

That's because we fight him.

-Geaux

A bill designed to close loopholes in the background check system.

The opposition to this bill by the NRA and its extremist supporters PROVES that the NRA does not want to prevent ineligible people from legally obtaining guns.

Are you really that stupid, if an ineligible person obtains a gun they are already breaking the law, they can't "legally obtain a gun".

Can you prosecute someone who makes a private sale to a felon if the private sale did not require a background check?

Probably.

How? What law did he break?

 

[Auld Phart]

That's because we fight him.

-Geaux

A bill designed to close loopholes in the background check system.

The opposition to this bill by the NRA and its extremist supporters PROVES that the NRA does not want to prevent ineligible people from legally obtaining guns.

Are you really that stupid, if an ineligible person obtains a gun they are already breaking the law, they can't "legally obtain a gun".

Can you prosecute someone who makes a private sale to a felon if the private sale did not require a background check?

Probably.

How? What law did he break?

Was it a straw purchase?


Accessory before the fact, if he knew it was going to be used in a crime.
(possibly even if he didn't know)

May violate local ordinances, but not state.

Thousands of gun laws on the books.

one more, or a thousand more, are not going to prevent criminals from getting guns.

 

[my2¢]

I think we must consider what our founding fathers considered arms.

Why?

Do you take into consideration what they meant by 'the press' in the First Amendment?

Why - because those that take the 2nd Amendment as saying it gives you the right to bear arms go beyond that interpretation and take it to mean the right to own anything firearm they damn well please.

And in regard to the 1st Amendment again I'd say the same. The founding fathers had no cause to consider the need for the FCC rules now did they?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Lack of US gun control Obama s greatest frustration - Yahoo News

He wants and expects new regulations on firearms specifically protected by the 2nd. Remind us again how Obama is not out to take firearms away again.

How many of your guns has Obama confiscated so far?

That's because we fight him.

-Geaux

A bill designed to close loopholes in the background check system.

The opposition to this bill by the NRA and its extremist supporters PROVES that the NRA does not want to prevent ineligible people from legally obtaining guns.

Are you really that stupid, if an ineligible person obtains a gun they are already breaking the law, they can't "legally obtain a gun".

That's not the issue – Federal law does not require a background check with regard to private face to face gun sales between residents of the same that take place in that state. A convicted felon can obtain a firearm in such a private sale with the intent of committing a crime where the seller has no idea he's selling a gun to a felon.

A prohibited person may not be able to 'legally' obtain a firearm, but there's nothing in the law preventing him from in fact doing so when buying from a private seller.

 

[Wildman]

Why would a self described paranoid...

you mean someone like yourself ?

are you forgetting those 100,000,000+ gun owners, like myself, who have never used their guns illegally ?

you liberfools never cease to amaze me with your utter stupidity.

 

[Auld Phart]

I think we must consider what our founding fathers considered arms.

Why?

Do you take into consideration what they meant by 'the press' in the First Amendment?

Why - because those that take the 2nd Amendment as saying it gives you the right to bear arms go beyond that interpretation and take it to mean the right to own anything firearm they damn well please.

And in regard to the 1st Amendment again I'd say the same. The founding fathers had no cause to consider the need for the FCC rules now did they?

You do realize that there are people that own tanks, machine guns, etc.

If you have the money, and can follow the restrictions, you can own about anything.

and your comment about the First pretty much shows you have no clue about the point I was making.

'arms', like 'the press', evolved, and they took that into consideration when they wrote the Bill of Rights.


BTW, you may want to take a look at armament of those days.

muskets were NOT the only type firearm in use.

there were at least 2 crude variations of machine guns in use