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Wilson was a party to the treaty...This is a historical fact that cannot be denied.
It's also undeniable that were there no American intervention in WWI, the war would've stalemated and the parties would have had to sue for a much more equitable peace agreement.
Ergo, Wilson's intervention was, at least indirectly, responsible for the rise of Hitler and WWII.
Whatever, dude.
You want to take up for one of the most despotic warmongers of the 20th century, that's your problem.
Thomas Woodrow Wilson, better known as Woodrow Wilson, was the ultimate altruist. His vision for world peace through a League of Nations would never manifest. History has very high regard for President Wilson; he was a man with extremely high principles and very high regard for peace and progress. To his chagrin, he would encounter an obstacle many philosophers of peace believe can be overcome with contentment: human nature.
The legacy of Woodrow Wilson - by Tom Koecke - Helium
When Bigots Become Reformers
The Progressive Era's shameful record on race.
The Progressive movement swept America from roughly the early 1890s through the early 1920s, producing a broad popular consensus that government should be the primary agent of social change. To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, women’s suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else.
Today many on the liberal left would like to revive that movement and its aura of social justice. Journalist Bill Moyers, speaking at a conference sponsored by the left-wing Campaign for America’s Future, described Progressivism as “one of the country’s great traditions.” Progressives, he told the crowd, “exalted and extended the original American Revolution. They spelled out new terms of partnership between the people and their rulers. And they kindled a flame that lit some of the most prosperous decades in modern history.”
Yet the Progressive Era was also a time of vicious, state-sponsored racism. In fact, from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation. The wholesale disfranchisement of Southern black voters occurred during these years, as did the rise and triumph of Jim Crow. Furthermore, as the Westminster College historian David W. Southern notes in his recent book, The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 1900–1917, the very worst of it—disfranchisement, segregation, race baiting, lynching—“went hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism.” Racism was the norm, not the exception, among the very crusaders romanticized by today’s activist left.
<snip>
Woodrow Wilson, whose Progressive presidential legacy includes the Federal Reserve System, a federal loan program for farmers, and an eight-hour workday for railroad employees, segregated the federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. “I have recently spent several days in Washington,” the black leader Booker T. Washington wrote during Wilson’s first term, “and I have never seen the colored people so discouraged and bitter as they are at the present time.
Like it or not, we now have a stronger central government and are better off for it
Another baseless conclusion that the left constantly bleats in an effort to somehow hypnotise people into thinking they should be grateful that Obama is trying to suck our liberties away at an incredible pace.
*chortle*
Your decisively anti-libertarain worship of race bigotry is showing, Dudley.
When Bigots Become Reformers
The Progressive Era's shameful record on race.
The Progressive movement swept America from roughly the early 1890s through the early 1920s, producing a broad popular consensus that government should be the primary agent of social change. To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, womens suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else.
Today many on the liberal left would like to revive that movement and its aura of social justice. Journalist Bill Moyers, speaking at a conference sponsored by the left-wing Campaign for Americas Future, described Progressivism as one of the countrys great traditions. Progressives, he told the crowd, exalted and extended the original American Revolution. They spelled out new terms of partnership between the people and their rulers. And they kindled a flame that lit some of the most prosperous decades in modern history.
Yet the Progressive Era was also a time of vicious, state-sponsored racism. In fact, from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation. The wholesale disfranchisement of Southern black voters occurred during these years, as did the rise and triumph of Jim Crow. Furthermore, as the Westminster College historian David W. Southern notes in his recent book, The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 19001917, the very worst of itdisfranchisement, segregation, race baiting, lynchingwent hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism. Racism was the norm, not the exception, among the very crusaders romanticized by todays activist left.
<snip>
Woodrow Wilson, whose Progressive presidential legacy includes the Federal Reserve System, a federal loan program for farmers, and an eight-hour workday for railroad employees, segregated the federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. I have recently spent several days in Washington, the black leader Booker T. Washington wrote during Wilsons first term, and I have never seen the colored people so discouraged and bitter as they are at the present time.
When Bigots Become Reformers - Reason Magazine
Like it or not, we now have a stronger central government and are better off for it
Another baseless conclusion that the left constantly bleats in an effort to somehow hypnotise people into thinking they should be grateful that Obama is trying to suck our liberties away at an incredible pace.
We have achieved our current power and global influence because we have a strong central government. We never could have emerged from WWII as a superpower if not for the power of the federal government
*chortle*
Your decisively anti-libertarain worship of race bigotry is showing, Dudley.
When Bigots Become Reformers
The Progressive Era's shameful record on race.
The Progressive movement swept America from roughly the early 1890s through the early 1920s, producing a broad popular consensus that government should be the primary agent of social change. To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, womens suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else.
Today many on the liberal left would like to revive that movement and its aura of social justice. Journalist Bill Moyers, speaking at a conference sponsored by the left-wing Campaign for Americas Future, described Progressivism as one of the countrys great traditions. Progressives, he told the crowd, exalted and extended the original American Revolution. They spelled out new terms of partnership between the people and their rulers. And they kindled a flame that lit some of the most prosperous decades in modern history.
Yet the Progressive Era was also a time of vicious, state-sponsored racism. In fact, from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation. The wholesale disfranchisement of Southern black voters occurred during these years, as did the rise and triumph of Jim Crow. Furthermore, as the Westminster College historian David W. Southern notes in his recent book, The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 19001917, the very worst of itdisfranchisement, segregation, race baiting, lynchingwent hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism. Racism was the norm, not the exception, among the very crusaders romanticized by todays activist left.
<snip>
Woodrow Wilson, whose Progressive presidential legacy includes the Federal Reserve System, a federal loan program for farmers, and an eight-hour workday for railroad employees, segregated the federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. I have recently spent several days in Washington, the black leader Booker T. Washington wrote during Wilsons first term, and I have never seen the colored people so discouraged and bitter as they are at the present time.
When Bigots Become Reformers - Reason Magazine
Impressive twisting of history. What you neglect to include was that the institutional racism was pervasive and was not isolated to that era. You also neglected to mention that the Jim Crow laws were exclusively in the south which primarily maintained an agrarian economy and was rebelling against newfound freedoms of blacks entering the middle class
Another baseless conclusion that the left constantly bleats in an effort to somehow hypnotise people into thinking they should be grateful that Obama is trying to suck our liberties away at an incredible pace.
We have achieved our current power and global influence because we have a strong central government. We never could have emerged from WWII as a superpower if not for the power of the federal government
The federal government was always "strong" in the areas needed to be a superpower.
Your claim here is an apples make oranges fallacy.
*chortle*
Your decisively anti-libertarain worship of race bigotry is showing, Dudley.
When Bigots Become Reformers
The Progressive Era's shameful record on race.
The Progressive movement swept America from roughly the early 1890s through the early 1920s, producing a broad popular consensus that government should be the primary agent of social change. To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, womens suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else.
Today many on the liberal left would like to revive that movement and its aura of social justice. Journalist Bill Moyers, speaking at a conference sponsored by the left-wing Campaign for Americas Future, described Progressivism as one of the countrys great traditions. Progressives, he told the crowd, exalted and extended the original American Revolution. They spelled out new terms of partnership between the people and their rulers. And they kindled a flame that lit some of the most prosperous decades in modern history.
Yet the Progressive Era was also a time of vicious, state-sponsored racism. In fact, from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation. The wholesale disfranchisement of Southern black voters occurred during these years, as did the rise and triumph of Jim Crow. Furthermore, as the Westminster College historian David W. Southern notes in his recent book, The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 19001917, the very worst of itdisfranchisement, segregation, race baiting, lynchingwent hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism. Racism was the norm, not the exception, among the very crusaders romanticized by todays activist left.
<snip>
Woodrow Wilson, whose Progressive presidential legacy includes the Federal Reserve System, a federal loan program for farmers, and an eight-hour workday for railroad employees, segregated the federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. I have recently spent several days in Washington, the black leader Booker T. Washington wrote during Wilsons first term, and I have never seen the colored people so discouraged and bitter as they are at the present time.
When Bigots Become Reformers - Reason Magazine
You're the one genuflecting at the altar of one of the 20th century's greatest tyrants, warmongers and race bigots, not me.
Sorry you can't deal with the truth.
You're the one genuflecting at the altar of one of the 20th century's greatest tyrants, warmongers and race bigots, not me.
Sorry you can't deal with the truth.
Everything you've said has been debunked, or ignored as the desperate deflection it is. Move on to your next strawman deflection.
The only people doing the desperate deflecting are the desperate apologists like you.You're the one genuflecting at the altar of one of the 20th century's greatest tyrants, warmongers and race bigots, not me.
Sorry you can't deal with the truth.
Everything you've said has been debunked, or ignored as the desperate deflection it is. Move on to your next strawman deflection.
You're the one genuflecting at the altar of one of the 20th century's greatest tyrants, warmongers and race bigots, not me.
Sorry you can't deal with the truth.
Everything you've said has been debunked, or ignored as the desperate deflection it is. Move on to your next strawman deflection.
In reading through this exchange, it suffers like just about every other thread. The defintions are not the same. You've put forth counters, but you've not debunked anything. In the end, it is up to the individual reader to determine what still stands and what has been taken down.
I also think your use of the words desperate deflection are a bit telling. Usually the one using this term is doing the desperate deflecting.
The only people doing the desperate deflecting are the desperate apologists like you.You're the one genuflecting at the altar of one of the 20th century's greatest tyrants, warmongers and race bigots, not me.
Sorry you can't deal with the truth.
Everything you've said has been debunked, or ignored as the desperate deflection it is. Move on to your next strawman deflection.
My only two points in this thread, which have yet to be debunked despite your spurious claim, are:
#1 The original intent of the appointed Senate was for states to have a say in federal spending and bureaucracy....This is a matter of verifiable historical fact.
#2 That since the passage of the 17th Amendment, federal spending has ballooned from consuming a few percent to the neighborhood of 20% of all American GDP, which is also an undeniable fact.
All of the fallacious arguments, strawmen, non sequitur, unfalsifiable opinion and deflections have come from the apologists for mob rule like you.
The only people doing the desperate deflecting are the desperate apologists like you.You're the one genuflecting at the altar of one of the 20th century's greatest tyrants, warmongers and race bigots, not me.
Sorry you can't deal with the truth.
Everything you've said has been debunked, or ignored as the desperate deflection it is. Move on to your next strawman deflection.
My only two points in this thread, which have yet to be debunked despite your spurious claim, are:
#1 The original intent of the appointed Senate was for states to have a say in federal spending and bureaucracy....This is a matter of verifiable historical fact.
#2 That since the passage of the 17th Amendment, federal spending has ballooned from consuming a few percent to the neighborhood of 20% of all American GDP, which is also an undeniable fact.
All of the fallacious arguments, strawmen, non sequitur, unfalsifiable opinion and deflections have come from the apologists for mob rule like you.
So you didnt post:We weren't a second rate power, Bubba....We were pretty much masters of the Western Hemisphere.
And America was already well on its way to being the most wealthy and strongest nation on Earth because of the mechanization of the Industrial Revolution, not because of anything that racist, tyrant thug Woodrow Wilson did.
and you didnt post:The Industrial Revolution also happened prior to 1913.
Giving the warmongering tyrant Wilson the credit for the industriousness and inventiveness of the American people is the height of socialist progressive hubris.
and certainly not:Because of Wilson and is arrogant meddling in WWI, WWII was inevitable....It also set the stage for the disastrous interventions in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.....
But hey, it's always a welcome sight to watch the left give us a full display of their love for meddlesome foreign wars.....It makes all your bitching bout GEORGE BOOOOOOOSH!! ring extra hollow.
Which means you DEFINITELY didnt post:*chortle*
Your decisively anti-libertarain worship of race bigotry is showing, Dudley.
When Bigots Become Reformers
The Progressive Era's shameful record on race.
The Progressive movement swept America from roughly the early 1890s through the early 1920s, producing a broad popular consensus that government should be the primary agent of social change. To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, womens suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else.
Today many on the liberal left would like to revive that movement and its aura of social justice. Journalist Bill Moyers, speaking at a conference sponsored by the left-wing Campaign for Americas Future, described Progressivism as one of the countrys great traditions. Progressives, he told the crowd, exalted and extended the original American Revolution. They spelled out new terms of partnership between the people and their rulers. And they kindled a flame that lit some of the most prosperous decades in modern history.
Yet the Progressive Era was also a time of vicious, state-sponsored racism. In fact, from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation. The wholesale disfranchisement of Southern black voters occurred during these years, as did the rise and triumph of Jim Crow. Furthermore, as the Westminster College historian David W. Southern notes in his recent book, The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 19001917, the very worst of itdisfranchisement, segregation, race baiting, lynchingwent hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism. Racism was the norm, not the exception, among the very crusaders romanticized by todays activist left.
<snip>
Woodrow Wilson, whose Progressive presidential legacy includes the Federal Reserve System, a federal loan program for farmers, and an eight-hour workday for railroad employees, segregated the federal bureaucracy in Washington, D.C. I have recently spent several days in Washington, the black leader Booker T. Washington wrote during Wilsons first term, and I have never seen the colored people so discouraged and bitter as they are at the present time.
When Bigots Become Reformers - Reason Magazine
The only people doing the desperate deflecting are the desperate apologists like you.Everything you've said has been debunked, or ignored as the desperate deflection it is. Move on to your next strawman deflection.
My only two points in this thread, which have yet to be debunked despite your spurious claim, are:
#1 The original intent of the appointed Senate was for states to have a say in federal spending and bureaucracy....This is a matter of verifiable historical fact.
#2 That since the passage of the 17th Amendment, federal spending has ballooned from consuming a few percent to the neighborhood of 20% of all American GDP, which is also an undeniable fact.
All of the fallacious arguments, strawmen, non sequitur, unfalsifiable opinion and deflections have come from the apologists for mob rule like you.
You forgot #3: Proof that #s 1 & 2 are connected or that things would be any different under the old system. FAIL
