Repercussions of all-out Trade Wars....

[nat4900]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Funny stuff. Oh...it's gnat.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

This is what we will see more and more of as Trump's trade war widens...

US jobs increased 103K in March, missing expectations

Shitty job reports will become the norm not the exception if he keeps this up.

 

[BluesLegend]

Funny stuff. Oh...it's gnat.

Nothing more need be said.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So Jake accepts China's theft of Intellectual Property

 

[xband]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

A trade war evolves into a full blown gun war. US farmers will turn their corn into ethanol to power a car if your car has flex-fuel.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

A trade war evolves into a full blown gun war. US farmers will turn their corn into ethanol to power a car if your car has flex-fuel.

The ethanol market is already saturated, there is not enough demand to buy up what the export markets if we lose them

 

[Manonthestreet]

China is not our friend. Except under Clinton's we haven't exported much but food to Russia either and have done just fine. All Chinese students and scientist should be booted.

 

[xband]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

A trade war evolves into a full blown gun war. US farmers will turn their corn into ethanol to power a car if your car has flex-fuel.

The ethanol market is already saturated, there is not enough demand to buy up what the export markets if we lose them

Ethanol is an option if we suffer another Arab Oil Embargo. Shift to Ethanol and the House of Saud crumbles.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

A trade war evolves into a full blown gun war. US farmers will turn their corn into ethanol to power a car if your car has flex-fuel.

The ethanol market is already saturated, there is not enough demand to buy up what the export markets if we lose them

Ethanol is an option if we suffer another Arab Oil Embargo. Shift to Ethanol and the House of Saud crumbles.

I think you give ethanol way more credit than it is due.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

China is not our friend. Except under Clinton's we haven't exported much but food to Russia either and have done just fine. All Chinese students and scientist should be booted.

There are no "friends" among countries, every country looks out for their own interest first and foremost.

 

[xband]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

A trade war evolves into a full blown gun war. US farmers will turn their corn into ethanol to power a car if your car has flex-fuel.

The ethanol market is already saturated, there is not enough demand to buy up what the export markets if we lose them

Ethanol is an option if we suffer another Arab Oil Embargo. Shift to Ethanol and the House of Saud crumbles.

I think you give ethanol way more credit than it is due.

I am a grain farmer in the corn belt and of course I promote ethanol. I use GMO seed which can be changed to make more sugar and thus more ethanol.

 

[Manonthestreet]

China is not our friend. Except under Clinton's we haven't exported much but food to Russia either and have done just fine. All Chinese students and scientist should be booted.

first and foremost.

There are no "friends" among countries, every country looks out for their own interest

 

[nat4900]

This is what we will see more and more of as Trump's trade war widens...

US jobs increased 103K in March, missing expectations

Shitty job reports will become the norm not the exception if he keeps this up.

Beside Gorsuch, the ONLY other issue that could have kept the GOP in power, was the economy and the tax cuts (with borrowed money)........This trade war will NULLIFY the tax scam, leaving republican candidates in the upcoming midterm campaigns scrambling for ANY reason why they should be re-elected.

 

[Manonthestreet]

China is not our friend. Except under Clinton's we haven't exported much but food to Russia either and have done just fine. All Chinese students and scientist should be booted.

first and foremost.

There are no "friends" among countries, every country looks out for their own interest

So....individuals do that too....doesn't preclude friendship and cooperation

 

[Wry Catcher]

Trump cultist or not, any right wing business entrepreneur must sometime think beyond the catastrophe that is the Trump administration......eventually (sooner or later....hopefully, sooner) this clown will be gone from the oval office, and the repercussions of his ill-advised policies may linger way beyond his tenure.

Take for example the tariffs that China is imposing on our corn and soy bean exports to that country as retaliation to Trump's tariffs on China's exports.

The U.S. is NOT the only growers of these commodities.........Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Canada are ALSO huge growers of corn and soy beans.......How long will it take for these countries to offer China a much better deal on these commodities???

And even more important, once these countries have established active trade with China, what would make China return to wanting U.S. trade on such commodities?

No doubt China has abused trade agreements with us.....mostly because of China's HUGE power to demand compliance to her own needs.......BUT, one of the unheralded advantage had we signed on to the TPP, was to break the strangle hold on China's self-serving demands.

Bottom line is this.........Trump has actually lost for the U.S. the first round of this looming trade war with China.......leaving open a substantial opportunity for other countries to satisfy China's needs for imports, leaving us out of the picture for decades to come as warehouses fill up with home-grown goods that no one will want.

In short, Trump is both a demagogue, a charlatan and a narcissist who cannot seem to learn from others, and his ego is so fragile he can never admit to himself that he was wrong. The best he can do and has done is flip flop, and pretend to others and himself that this was part of the plan.

 

[nat4900]

In short, Trump is both a demagogue, a charlatan and a narcissist who cannot seem to learn for others, and his ego is so fragile he can never admit to himself that he was wrong. The best he can do and has done is flip flop, and pretend to others and himself that this was part of the plan.

Yep.....Trump is at it again.....only its all our feet, not just his own

 

[nat4900]

We will soon hear from democrat candidates this phrase:

" So, are you tired of all that "winning" yet???"

 

[Mac1958]

Most likely this is simply a high-level game of negotiations by both sides, and that both sides know they can't take it too far. They'll most likely find some areas of agreement and everyone will stop losing their shit.

But as I said two years ago when Trump started tossing the idea of large tariffs around, China owns over a TRILLION in US debt, and could fuck us over if it wanted to. I'm assuming Trump realizes that. I hope. Maybe.
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[nat4900]

Most likely this is simply a high-level game of negotiations by both sides, and that both sides know they can't take it too far. They'll most likely find some areas of agreement and everyone will stop losing their shit.

But as I said two years ago when Trump started tossing the idea of large tariffs around, China owns over a TRILLION in US debt, and could fuck us over if it wanted to. I'm assuming Trump realizes that. I hope. Maybe.

You're giving Trump too much credit in claiming that he realizes the hole he is digging for all of us with these trade wars.......He is...at best....a real estate mogul and will not really listen to anything but his fat gut for sound advice.

Wait until China decides to go with AirBus instead of Boeing.......that added "nail"in the economy's "coffin" will sober up many of his acolytes.