Replace and Repeal Obamacare

[kaz]

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Nope, she didn't. Nor did I vote for her. But even Tea Party Tom Price is saying the gummit has a duty to help people get insurance.

Then Tom Price is wrong, isn't he?

The oppressive government may have the force to do it but it sure as hell does not have a duty to take the money that I earn and give it to somebody else, does it? That is like Tony Soprano saying he has a duty to take protection money from the businesses in town to provide for the welfare of his family, isn't it?

I struggle with this. Clearly I view government as not having a role in healthcare. However, we have to recognize the reality that the country is so overwhelmingly in favor of government having a major role in providing healthcare, to just fight anyone who doesn't support that is tilting at windmills. It's not going to go away.

I'm looking forward to Trump's proposal. I'm hoping he does provide free market proposals as he says he will. I am sure I won't like it, but I hope I can live with it

 

[rightwinger]

I wonder, those who supported Trump because they hate big federal government favoring states rights will think when Trump/Pence & the Republicans decide that States have no rights in determining which insurances can sell into their state & what the policies need to cover.

U.S. Constitution
Article I, Section 8
"To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"

The so-called "Commerce Clause", Part of the original purpose of which was to delegate the authority to the Federal Government to eliminate trade barriers between the States, i.e. in this case, knock down internal state barriers to selling insurance ACROSS STATE LINES.

It's actually an exercise of the clause that aligns with the original intent.

So you want to reduce states right on Health Insurance and make Health insurance under Federal control...
Massive Federal power grab... WOW the GOP really going to grow the Federal Government....

Imagine if Obama did that...

Democrats just love condemning Republican proposals before we know what they are. What a bunch of idiots you are.

You know you can take medicine now for that premature evaluation you have going on

Republicans have had seven years to provide a proposal

I think America has a right to see what Republicans are replacing with before we repeal Obamacare

 

[Claudette]

Rsise the rates of people who buy health care
.
Duh


Leave the rest of us alone

Just what I expected. A price increase for everyone

Couldn't be any higher than I'm paying now. My benefits have gone up 60% in the last two years because of that POS.

That's great!

How has that impacted your premiums?

Thought you would be smart enough to figure out it means they COST more.

Cost is going up again this year as well.

I'm pretty sure I pointed out your error. It's not my fault you're too dumb to not understand the difference.

Rsise the rates of people who buy health care
.
Duh


Leave the rest of us alone

Just what I expected. A price increase for everyone

Couldn't be any higher than I'm paying now. My benefits have gone up 60% in the last two years because of that POS.

That's great!

How has that impacted your premiums?

Thought you would be smart enough to figure out it means they COST more.

Cost is going up again this year as well.

I'm pretty sure I pointed out your error. It's not my fault you're too dumb to not understand the difference.

The only thing I understand is the money coming out of my paycheck.

 

[Claudette]

I wonder, those who supported Trump because they hate big federal government favoring states rights will think when Trump/Pence & the Republicans decide that States have no rights in determining which insurances can sell into their state & what the policies need to cover.

U.S. Constitution
Article I, Section 8
"To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"

The so-called "Commerce Clause", Part of the original purpose of which was to delegate the authority to the Federal Government to eliminate trade barriers between the States, i.e. in this case, knock down internal state barriers to selling insurance ACROSS STATE LINES.

It's actually an exercise of the clause that aligns with the original intent.

So you want to reduce states right on Health Insurance and make Health insurance under Federal control...
Massive Federal power grab... WOW the GOP really going to grow the Federal Government....

Imagine if Obama did that...

Democrats just love condemning Republican proposals before we know what they are. What a bunch of idiots you are.

You know you can take medicine now for that premature evaluation you have going on

Republicans have had seven years to provide a proposal

I think America has a right to see what Republicans are replacing with before we repeal Obamacare

Of course you do. No one would expect anything else from you. A you who thinks Health care is right. Good Lord what a left wing moonbat you are.

 

[Flash]

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Healthcare is a basic human right.

No it is not. If somebody told you that, even Trump then he/she was lying to you.

It is not your right to force me to have to pay your bills. If you think that then you are a sorry ass thief.

We have some rights guaranteed under the Constitutions. Like the right to keep and bear arms. The right to have you require that I pay your bills is not one of them.

That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Our nation was founded on the principle of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

Seems like healthcare supports "Life"

My happiness and liberty ends when the government thugs comes to take my money and give it to some filthy ass welfare queen, doesn't it?

 

[Flash]

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I struggle with this. Clearly I view government as not having a role in healthcare. However, we have to recognize the reality that the country is so overwhelmingly in favor of government having a major role in providing healthcare, to just fight anyone who doesn't support that is tilting at windmills. It's not going to go away.

I'm looking forward to Trump's proposal. I'm hoping he does provide free market proposals as he says he will. I am sure I won't like it, but I hope I can live with it

Democracy is the rule of the mob. Just because the majority of the people decide to take my liberty away doesn't mean that it is right.

Obamacare took a lot of liberty away from a lot people. Forced participation, higher taxation and higher cost to cover the welfare queens. That was wrong.

I think the "overwhelming majority" will tell you that they are in favor of government interference until they get the bill for it and then they would be whistling a different tune.

I suspect the Trump administration will make health care more affordable and better because Obamacare was so screwed up and it won't take much to fix it. However, it would be better than that if the stupid government would stop interfering and let the magic of the free market provide the best service for the least cost like they do with other commodities.

 

[kaz]

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I struggle with this. Clearly I view government as not having a role in healthcare. However, we have to recognize the reality that the country is so overwhelmingly in favor of government having a major role in providing healthcare, to just fight anyone who doesn't support that is tilting at windmills. It's not going to go away.

I'm looking forward to Trump's proposal. I'm hoping he does provide free market proposals as he says he will. I am sure I won't like it, but I hope I can live with it

Democracy is the rule of the mob. Just because the majority of the people decide to take my liberty away doesn't mean that it is right.

Obamacare took a lot of liberty away from a lot people. Forced participation, higher taxation and higher cost to cover the welfare queens. That was wrong.

I think the "overwhelming majority" will tell you that they are in favor of government interference until they get the bill for it and then they would be whistling a different tune.

I suspect the Trump administration will make health care more affordable and better because Obamacare was so screwed up and it won't take much to fix it. However, it would be better than that if the stupid government would stop interfering and let the magic of the free market provide the best service for the least cost like they do with other commodities.

Obviously I agree with that as I said so in my post. It doesn't address my point though. People think of medical care like education. It's not going to change.

I'm a libertarian because I want to minimize government to maximize my liberty. I want to do it in real life, not theoretically. To do that, I have to recognize reality. Medical is hard for me because my view is like yours that government has no legitimate role in healthcare. I'm struggling with where to draw the line. But I think just denying how the population overwhelmingly views it isn't going to achieve my libertarian objective

 

[Claudette]

at Well for my money Govt. needs to keep its big fat nose out of Health Care.

Govt. has no business in Health Care at all. Never saw a health care paragraph in the constitution. That's because there isn't one.

Anything the Govt. touches. turns into mountains of paper work, regulations, red tape and bullshit.

 

[Flash]

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Obviously I agree with that as I said so in my post. It doesn't address my point though. People think of medical care like education. It's not going to change.

It use to be that education was mostly a combined community project. The people with children of an area would pool their money and hire a teacher and build a school house. There is nothing wrong with that and it was probably done for a low cost. Most Libertarians would support that concept.

I sent my sons to a private school where they got a great education and the the cost per student was less than half that of what the county was paying per student. The government always screws up everything.

I would agree that far too many people think they will somehow get something out of government interference in the free market, especially health care but that is simple ignorance of free market forces.

I know I am preaching to the choir when I say to you that we don't need the government telling us what to do and forcing us to give our money to other people. However, these stupid Moon Bats on here don't understand the concept of Liberty and they need to be reminded of it from time to time.

 

[rightwinger]

I wonder, those who supported Trump because they hate big federal government favoring states rights will think when Trump/Pence & the Republicans decide that States have no rights in determining which insurances can sell into their state & what the policies need to cover.

U.S. Constitution
Article I, Section 8
"To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"

The so-called "Commerce Clause", Part of the original purpose of which was to delegate the authority to the Federal Government to eliminate trade barriers between the States, i.e. in this case, knock down internal state barriers to selling insurance ACROSS STATE LINES.

It's actually an exercise of the clause that aligns with the original intent.

So you want to reduce states right on Health Insurance and make Health insurance under Federal control...
Massive Federal power grab... WOW the GOP really going to grow the Federal Government....

Imagine if Obama did that...

Democrats just love condemning Republican proposals before we know what they are. What a bunch of idiots you are.

You know you can take medicine now for that premature evaluation you have going on

Republicans have had seven years to provide a proposal

I think America has a right to see what Republicans are replacing with before we repeal Obamacare

Of course you do. No one would expect anything else from you. A you who thinks Health care is right. Good Lord what a left wing moonbat you are.

Hey.... I got a great deal for you

Let me buy your house and after we sign the contract, I will tell you what I will pay for it
If it is anything like Republican Healthcare, you will get nothing in return

 

[Claudette]

U.S. Constitution
Article I, Section 8
"To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"

The so-called "Commerce Clause", Part of the original purpose of which was to delegate the authority to the Federal Government to eliminate trade barriers between the States, i.e. in this case, knock down internal state barriers to selling insurance ACROSS STATE LINES.

It's actually an exercise of the clause that aligns with the original intent.

So you want to reduce states right on Health Insurance and make Health insurance under Federal control...
Massive Federal power grab... WOW the GOP really going to grow the Federal Government....

Imagine if Obama did that...

Democrats just love condemning Republican proposals before we know what they are. What a bunch of idiots you are.

You know you can take medicine now for that premature evaluation you have going on

Republicans have had seven years to provide a proposal

I think America has a right to see what Republicans are replacing with before we repeal Obamacare

Of course you do. No one would expect anything else from you. A you who thinks Health care is right. Good Lord what a left wing moonbat you are.

Hey.... I got a great deal for you

Let me buy your house and after we sign the contract, I will tell you what I will pay for it
If it is anything like Republican Healthcare, you will get nothing in return

Oh I think plenty of people, the taxpayers, and people who's benefit costs have gone up to pay for the ACA will be perfectly okay to see that POS gone.

The only ones who won't like it gone are the people we taxpayers are paying for.

That's plenty of return for me.

 

[TipOfTheIceberg]

You sing a different song at democratic underground don't you willow tree. You rreported me there and I am appealing it and exposing you as a troll there where you pose as a liberal.

 

[owebo]

You sing a different song at democratic underground don't you willow tree. You rreported me there and I am appealing it and exposing you as a troll there where you pose as a liberal.

The DU is a fascist Nazi plantation....

Someone escaped you Say?

 

[my2¢]

Healthcare reform is to the first thing out of the gate but it will be a smooth transition sounds like the usual political doubletalk. I'll have patience but I already have sense of dread over the oh-woe-is-us news stories and hope it doesn't drag on too long.

 

[rightwinger]

Healthcare reform is to the first thing out of the gate but it will be a smooth transition sounds like the usual political doubletalk. I'll have patience but I already have sense of dread over the oh-woe-is-us news stories and hope it doesn't drag on too long.

Simple....all Republicans have to do is provide a better system than Obamacare and then they can repeal it

 

[Cellblock2429]

Healthcare reform is to the first thing out of the gate but it will be a smooth transition sounds like the usual political doubletalk. I'll have patience but I already have sense of dread over the oh-woe-is-us news stories and hope it doesn't drag on too long.

Simple....all Republicans have to do is provide a better system than Obamacare and then they can repeal it

That's like saying provide a better alternative to a train wreck. How about no Gubmint intervention. Let the free market decide just like home owner insurance, car insurance and life insurance. Some regulations but open competition.

 

[rightwinger]

Healthcare reform is to the first thing out of the gate but it will be a smooth transition sounds like the usual political doubletalk. I'll have patience but I already have sense of dread over the oh-woe-is-us news stories and hope it doesn't drag on too long.

Simple....all Republicans have to do is provide a better system than Obamacare and then they can repeal it

That's like saying provide a better alternative to a train wreck. How about no Gubmint intervention. Let the free market decide just like home owner insurance, car insurance and life insurance. Some regulations but open competition.

If it is that easy....why haven't Republicans come up with anything better in eight years of trying?

 

[LeftofLeft]

I do commend the OP for posting "Replace and Repeal" instead of the usual "Repeal and Replace"

I would like to see an approved Republican plan before we dispose of Obamacare

Fair enough. With that, Democrats who supported the original plan for all other yet exempted themselves and their cronies from the plan should say nothing. Mandating a ford Escort on everyone else while you drive a BMW xDrive50i is beyond hypocritical.