Replace the ACA with single payer

[Rustic]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Because we don't want the fucking government to tax our asses off and get piss pour health care, managed by corrupt bureaucrats, just so that fucking welfare queens get can get it for free.

Any more stupid questions?

You don't understand. As it is gov picks up the tab to pay for so much healthcare . Why have this crazy system of middleman insurance companies wh subsidies. Just expand Medicare .

The private insurance still is there . It's not a full take over .

Medicare is bankrupt. asswipe

 

[Timmy]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Because we don't want the fucking government to tax our asses off and get piss pour health care, managed by corrupt bureaucrats, just so that fucking welfare queens get can get it for free.

Any more stupid questions?

You don't understand. As it is gov picks up the tab to pay for so much healthcare . Why have this crazy system of middleman insurance companies wh subsidies. Just expand Medicare .

The private insurance still is there . It's not a full take over .

Medicare is bankrupt. asswipe

No it's not .

Medicare is also for old people and disabled . Expanding it to the younger and healthier will only make it stronger .

 

[Rustic]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Because we don't want the fucking government to tax our asses off and get piss pour health care, managed by corrupt bureaucrats, just so that fucking welfare queens get can get it for free.

Any more stupid questions?

You don't understand. As it is gov picks up the tab to pay for so much healthcare . Why have this crazy system of middleman insurance companies wh subsidies. Just expand Medicare .

The private insurance still is there . It's not a full take over .

Medicare is bankrupt. asswipe

No it's not .

Medicare is also for old people and disabled . Expanding it to the younger and healthier will only make it stronger .

I have no problem expanding something like that as long as it's an opt in... you know, a choice.
Nothing like that should ever be forced on anyone.

 

[Billy000]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

You apparently don't understand the concept of "for profit motive". That's why our healthcare has always been a complete joke. You can complain all you want about ObamaCare. It wouldn't change the fact that healthcare system has always been unaffordable to the poor and shrinking middle class.

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The private sector is why our jobs go over sea's, why people need to train their replacement and why our middle class is collapsing. You really fucking think that giving these greedy fucking bastards more power is going to fix anything? lol

 

[Timmy]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Because we don't want the fucking government to tax our asses off and get piss pour health care, managed by corrupt bureaucrats, just so that fucking welfare queens get can get it for free.

Any more stupid questions?

You don't understand. As it is gov picks up the tab to pay for so much healthcare . Why have this crazy system of middleman insurance companies wh subsidies. Just expand Medicare .

The private insurance still is there . It's not a full take over .

Medicare is bankrupt. asswipe

No it's not .

Medicare is also for old people and disabled . Expanding it to the younger and healthier will only make it stronger .

I have no problem expanding something like that as long as it's an opt in... you know, a choice.
Nothing like that should ever be forced on anyone.

I agree. It'd be for people who couldn't afford a private insurance pay in .

 

[Flash]

There is no human reason health care should not be available to all who need it in America.

There is no human reason an oppressive fucking government should steal money away from the people that earn it to pay the bills of those that didn't earn the money.

If you want health care that is your responsibility, not mine. You are not entitled to have me pay your bills simply because you are alive. If you think so then you are a greedy asshole, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

Tell an uninsured person that the US has the best healthcare. No it should not be privatized.

For a Liberal, Obamacare is the best of both worlds. The working class pays for it, and everyone is still insurance-less, except in name.

If you do not know what the ACA is , refrain from commenting on it. The working class used it and also pays taxes. People in the ACA work, you dunce.

An old woman I know, who has cancer, has been dropped from it MANY times and has trouble receiving treatment. Like I said, working class pays for it, insurance-less except in name.

I don't care if my taxes go to the uninsured, I have no problem with that, rather that than a CEO's pocket.

And you can choose to put your money there. I don't care what people choose to do with their money. On the other hand, taking money from someone against their will and using it on someone else is thievery, which is inherently wrong.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

How did that happen, dupe?

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

I wonder what the comparison would be if your party hadn't destroyed our system in the first place.

How did that happen, dupe?

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.'' -RW idiocy for dupes only LOL. Meanwhile Reaganism rolls on, defended to the death by the GOP. Now taxing the rich less than the middle class and giving the store away to giant corps. Great job. PRAYING Trump isn't as idiotic as the GOP and its dupes....

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.''

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Pay gaps are completely meaningless. Certain jobs would be completely barren of employment if everyone was paid exactly the same. People who complain about wage gaps simply don't know how the job market works.

When you apply for a job, you're selling your skills. If those skills are in high demand, you're offered higher pay. If your skills are in low demand, you're paid less. If you're applying for no-skill jobs, you're paid less.

Democrats happen to be the ones driving wages down, with extremely high taxes on employers, and lowering the amounts employees need to be paid in order to live with their Federal Aid.

They're not victims if they did it to themselves. You're just repeating Liberal talking points that have no merit.

 

[eagle7_31]

The private sector is why our jobs go over sea's, why people need to train their replacement and why our middle class is collapsing. You really fucking think that giving these greedy fucking bastards more power is going to fix anything? lol

Just give everyone the coverage Congress has. Besides the insurance companies don't care where there money comes from, private or public sector.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

And you get no subsidy?

What RED state sold that $150 scam policy? Now that 950 policy is what it actually costs and is GUARANTEED. Now to get competition and going after costs really going. Or maybe Trump will figure out to Nazify the system quickly with single payer lol...

It's not a scam policy if it actually works. My youngest brother was born prematurely and needed absurd amounts of expensive surgery and treatments in order to survive and live a normal life, and our insurance covered more than half of the cost, as well as our dental bills. We're lucky this happened before the ACA was implemented or he'd have likely died.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

You apparently don't understand the concept of "for profit motive". That's why our healthcare has always been a complete joke. You can complain all you want about ObamaCare. It wouldn't change the fact that healthcare system has always been unaffordable to the poor and shrinking middle class.

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

 

[Billy000]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

You apparently don't understand the concept of "for profit motive". That's why our healthcare has always been a complete joke. You can complain all you want about ObamaCare. It wouldn't change the fact that healthcare system has always been unaffordable to the poor and shrinking middle class.

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Notice every single place you cited has worse healthcare than America before we Socialized, and our economy is significantly better. Healthcare should be privatized entirely.

You also don't seem to know what the word "works" means.

You apparently don't understand the concept of "for profit motive". That's why our healthcare has always been a complete joke. You can complain all you want about ObamaCare. It wouldn't change the fact that healthcare system has always been unaffordable to the poor and shrinking middle class.

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

 

[Billy000]

You apparently don't understand the concept of "for profit motive". That's why our healthcare has always been a complete joke. You can complain all you want about ObamaCare. It wouldn't change the fact that healthcare system has always been unaffordable to the poor and shrinking middle class.

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

 

[kaz]

You're wrong, humanity doesn't always go for the good things.

There are people like you in the way, forcing bad ideas on people and corrupting their core nature as a reasonable species.

We've shown this time and time and time and time again. Honesty? Come on, the two candidates for president in the US weren't exactly the most honest people in the world, and yet people are gushing over them. Why? Because they're humans and make a lot of flawed decisions, that's why.

They weren't created like that. They were perverted, by people like you that are self obsessed with power and control. Human beings are shepherded into camps from a young age and installed with corrupt ideas about the world, which overtake their better nature.

No, your view of me is wrong, you don't know me, you don't understand me. You have just presented a picture that you can attack, regardless of whether it fits me or not.

I understand you perfectly. Whether you choose to accept who you are is another story.

Again, what gives you the right to dictate for other people when you don't even have your own shit in order? Or do you want to tell me that you are infallible and have everything figured out? What motivates you to want to systematically control human life on earth?

You understand vaccinations, does everyone? Do you think a 3 year old child understands? Do you think society should force vaccinations upon children who don't understand what they are other than some bastard is trying to stick a sharp needle in my arm?

First of all, I do not believe in vaccinations. To answer your question, they don't know. What's dangerous is powerful control freaks that think they know what's best on their behalf.

I'm like you, I'm wary of power. The US has gone way over the edge of giving too much power to the rich, and that from starting out with the intention of giving people the power. What went wrong?

So who do we give political power? Politicians? A majority? You? I'll pass.

Listen, freedom is not anarchy and it's not fascism or communism. It's somewhere in between.

Such a load of bullshit! I can't believe you swallow that much shit.

Freedom is a state of being, where one is independent from external control. It means not having control freaks like you lording over me, compensating for their pitiful existence by experimenting on others. If you want a free society, then stop using violence and intimidation to push your screwed up agenda. I am tired of the savage machine humanity that people like you advocate for.

You might think this is restrictive, but it's probably because you've never been anywhere restrictive.

I grew up where the government was corrupt and the police acted like thugs. Please don't lecture me about restrictive.

And yes, both the CCP and the US are barbaric terror states. So is every country in Europe, and the whole third world. Until the power complex is eliminated, barbarism is going to be the international status quo.

You talk about things having gone wrong, yet the US is where everything is going really wrong and nothing is changing because there are too many people in society who refuse to change things for the better. They are suspicious of their govt, and yet support their govt's power to do things and cause suspicion. It's bizarre.

You talk about everything going wrong in the US, but I suppose that your people would know best and wouldn't fuck things up either? Your ego is destructive. You are destructive.

Let's see, what are you now? You're a socialist, anarchist, Democrat, totalitarian, libertarian, equestrian, contrarian, veterinarian vegetarian? Do I have that about right?

 

[francoHFW]

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

How did that happen, dupe?

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.'' -RW idiocy for dupes only LOL. Meanwhile Reaganism rolls on, defended to the death by the GOP. Now taxing the rich less than the middle class and giving the store away to giant corps. Great job. PRAYING Trump isn't as idiotic as the GOP and its dupes....

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.''

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Pay gaps are completely meaningless. Certain jobs would be completely barren of employment if everyone was paid exactly the same. People who complain about wage gaps simply don't know how the job market works.

When you apply for a job, you're selling your skills. If those skills are in high demand, you're offered higher pay. If your skills are in low demand, you're paid less. If you're applying for no-skill jobs, you're paid less.

Democrats happen to be the ones driving wages down, with extremely high taxes on employers, and lowering the amounts employees need to be paid in order to live with their Federal Aid.

They're not victims if they did it to themselves. You're just repeating Liberal talking points that have no merit.

This is what happens when gov't has little money to invest in infrastructure or training for good jobs, all to save the bloated rich from paying their fair share. Great job! Thanks for the stupidest wars ever and the corrupt W/GOP word depression, and 8 years of disfunction, dupes.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[LeftofLeft]

Why not? Seriously, Canada, Uk, Germany, France, and on down the list have it. It is a proven system and it works. I seriously believe that our healthcare system shouldn't be about jacking up the price just because you're sick. That is wrong.

They all have it......and the elite from those countries come to US for the best healthcare. Further, you people still cannot explain or justify Obama and his elitist cronies EXEMPTING themselves from the ACA which you say works in the other countries you mentioned.

What is your definition of "works"? Obama believes in it so much he exempted himself and cronies. What says you people?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I do understand the the concept, the issue here is that YOU don't. With profit as a motive, goods and services become inherently better and more affordable, entirely because they want money. A lot of the confusion from the left comes from the fact that they don't understand how the economy works. A business exists to fulfill a demand, and as that demand is fulfilled, and demand grows, that business grows. With the existence of competition, a a business has to satisfy or lose its customers, which causes them to provide the best product or service at the best price. That's why the private sector is better in every way at providing a service, because they have motivation to do so, and that motivation is money. The government already makes money off of the people in the form of taxes, they therefor have no reason to provide a good product at a reasonable price. You can't switch, because they become a monopoly, and even if you could, you'd still be paying for it.

As far as the shrinking middle class goes, I imagine there would be fewer poor people if your party would stop providing incentive to be poor. Those who are poor put themselves there, and they deserve to be there because of that, and because they refuse to pull themselves back up. If you want to help the poor so much, give them jobs, and stop using Federal Aid to shrink their wages.

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

 

[Billy000]

Okay stop pretending the private sector is the key to any program'a success. The for profit motive fails at programs meant for the population at large. None of this bullshit you're saying changes the fact that healthcare has always been unaffordable to the poor and growing population in the middle class. Healthcare costs have only gone up prior to ObamaCare. These corporations make a killing off necessary healthcare being charged at ridiculous rates. What exactly is going to bring these costs down if there is very little government interference.

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.