Republican bill stops funding to states issuing DL's to illegals

[Billy_Kinetta]

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.

All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.

If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.

I don't see how that's relevant here. If they come here and drop babies they can't afford, who do you think takes care of them? That's right, the US taxpayers. It's the same with education. The illegals don't pay for the education of their children, we taxpayers do via property tax, at least in my state. But no matter how it's funded, it's not being funded by them in many cases.

As for police, that's the excuse most people on the left give me about sanctuary cities and states. They have told me that by not cooperating with ICE, it gives illegals the ability to confide in police without ramifications. As for myself, I think that's as phony of a concern as safety on our roads by licensing them. They are just looking for excuses to keep and protect them here.

When NY announced that they will provide illegals with drivers licenses, they had videos of DMV's in NYC with lines a mile long outside of illegals. They didn't seem very coy or scared to me. Some of them waiving at the cameras.

The most disturbing part of this is that once they have a drivers license from a state that permits illegals to drive, they can drive to any state that don't want them driving. It's why one poster suggested that perhaps the way to combat this is for other states to not grant reciprocity. From now on, you can't drive in my state of Ohio with a NY license unless they get rid of handing them out to illegals.

As numerous studies have show, undocumented immigrants entered the US to work, most of them legally, not to have babies, get driver's licenses, or commit crimes. We don't have to spend billions on building walls around the country and have endless fights over illegal immigration. All that needs to happen is for Americans to stop hiring illegal immigrants.

And end all aid to them as well.

 

[Flopper]

Unless you’re here legally such as a travel visa, work visa, green card, etc. you do not have the right to get a drivers license. Period. End of story.

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.

If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.

All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

In Colorado, you need Insurance to have a License. If you don't have a car, there are insurance policies that covers your license only. If you don't have insurance you don't get a license. It's called driving while uninsured and get you jail time and a nice fine plus it makes it that much harder to get a license.

In general, auto insurance follows the car not the driver. In Colorado as in most states, the owner of a vehicle is required to have insurance in order to register the car. The driver must have proof of insurance in the car at all times which is usually an insurance id card in the glove compartment. Most states require this.

The problem is enforcement. Most state do not require the owner to show proof of insurance to get the vehicle registration renewed as they are renewed online and the new registration mailed. So what happens is a person buys a car get's insurance then fails to pay the premium resulting in cancellation of coverage. There are also several other loopholes that most states never close. Some people buy old cars from an individual for cash and can't afford insurance so they never transfer the registration. Another loophole is a person borrows the car from another person who supposedly has insurance but doesn't. If they have a wreck the driver tells the cop the car is insured but since they don't own the car they know nothing about it and the cop fails to give them a ticket.

The above plus other loopholes result in one out of ever 7 cars being uninsured in the US. For those of us that are responsible and insure our cars we are stuck with carrying uninsured motorist insurance to protect our selves from uninsured vehicles.

 

[Flopper]

It's how they go about getting something they want. They want to reward illegals by giving them drivers license, using the excuse of safety. Forget the link I posted that stated ICE deported over 80,000 illegals in one year alone all with DUI offenses. Give those people licenses now.

I can't help it though, because I do like Mexican's. Maybe I haven't met the bad ones, but the one's I've met are humble hardworking always smiling people. We definitely need those types to be with us in America, but there is a way to do it and do it right. Legal immigration is the only way, and not upsetting the balance in our many cultures by allowing a flood of immigrants to over run our border in which is un-exceptable. We must get organized and legal in our processes, while ensuring that our own cultures thrive and prosper just as we always have. Treating people as one expects to be treated is also very important. Creating more butthurt people in America has got to end. Time to throw away the bickering partisan bullcrap for scoring political points, and get an immigration system that works.

All the while we must protect the personality, character, and the cultures that exist in America. We must hold on to who we are, and remain as great examples of who we are in the world and to the world.

Assimilation is key, and that goes for all, and especially to those who refuse to do so, and all because of hang ups that are being milked to death for political and/or personal angst through out time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

 

[OldLady]

I can't help it though, because I do like Mexican's. Maybe I haven't met the bad ones, but the one's I've met are humble hardworking always smiling people. We definitely need those types to be with us in America, but there is a way to do it and do it right. Legal immigration is the only way, and not upsetting the balance in our many cultures by allowing a flood of immigrants to over run our border in which is un-exceptable. We must get organized and legal in our processes, while ensuring that our own cultures thrive and prosper just as we always have. Treating people as one expects to be treated is also very important. Creating more butthurt people in America has got to end. Time to throw away the bickering partisan bullcrap for scoring political points, and get an immigration system that works.

All the while we must protect the personality, character, and the cultures that exist in America. We must hold on to who we are, and remain as great examples of who we are in the world and to the world.

Assimilation is key, and that goes for all, and especially to those who refuse to do so, and all because of hang ups that are being milked to death for political and/or personal angst through out time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

The fact that many illegals are just decent, hard working people makes it hard for Americans to get firm about not hiring them. I think we have to, though, Flopper, in order to stop the huge influx of illegals into this country every year. Personally, it makes more sense to me that if everyone is working (which numbers say we are) then these illegal workers are NEEDED to keep things running, and that indicates that we need to increase the number of immigrants who can come here either permanently or on work visas. Then they would be paying payroll taxes like everyone else and people could stop bitching about illegals coming here to suck us dry via welfare and healthcare and blah blah blah.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You said that ALL Lefties were after the same conclusion. Well, chipper, I asked you two questions.

Am I a leftie?
Do ALL Lefties want Illegals to have a legal Drivers License and be Insured?

Why are you asking me if I think you are a lefty? I don't need to ask anybody how they think about what side I'm on. I said "you on the left" to another poster, and if you think I was talking about you, then so be it. But I didn't make the judgment on you being a lefty or not.

You made the blanket statement that ALL Lefties pretty much want Illegals to have legal Drivers Licenses. Not your exact words, but close enough. And you stated it in an open forum. Do you hold to that still or did your fingers get your ass in trouble once again? You insulted many in here. If you don't want called on it, don't insult the group. And it doesn't matter if you were answering just one person or not.

Wait a minute. I insulted who and how? It's pretty clear that Rigby is to the left. I told him that he and his peers felt the same way. I never once mentioned your name in the conversation.

You can't talk your way out of this one. You specifically said that all lefties. That means you insulted me because by your own definition, I am a leftie. I suggest if you are going to mean one person, you don't use the blanket group name. Then you are going to use the name of quite a few of us in the process and we will have the right to respond. Just a suggestions, rtwingnutjob.

How do you know what I consider you? Maybe you are a lefty, since lefties believe they can read minds.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.

If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.

All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

In Colorado, you need Insurance to have a License. If you don't have a car, there are insurance policies that covers your license only. If you don't have insurance you don't get a license. It's called driving while uninsured and get you jail time and a nice fine plus it makes it that much harder to get a license.

So if you don't make your insurance payment and your policy is cancelled, do they suspend your license? I thought people's car insurance automatically covered other occasional drivers. It doesn't?

That's taking things too far.

You have a grace period. And if you get stopped during the time of the expired insurance, you may be given a driving without valid insurance ticket. The saving grace is, if you get insurance immediately and show the Judges clerk, chances are, you will have the ticket annulled. If you are involved in an accident that's your fault, you will be losing your license until AFTER you make full restitution and pay the ticket, pay a reinstatement fee and show proof of insurance. Only then can you get your license unsuspended. If you don't have insurance, sooner or later, they are going to suspend your license anyway. You see, you can't register a vehicle without insurance. There are those that seem to push the envelope but it always ends not going well.

The insurance you are talking about is something added on to a normal insurance policy. It's the Uninsured Motorist. You pay extra for that. So, no, it doesn't.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You said that ALL Lefties were after the same conclusion. Well, chipper, I asked you two questions.

Am I a leftie?
Do ALL Lefties want Illegals to have a legal Drivers License and be Insured?

Why are you asking me if I think you are a lefty? I don't need to ask anybody how they think about what side I'm on. I said "you on the left" to another poster, and if you think I was talking about you, then so be it. But I didn't make the judgment on you being a lefty or not.

You made the blanket statement that ALL Lefties pretty much want Illegals to have legal Drivers Licenses. Not your exact words, but close enough. And you stated it in an open forum. Do you hold to that still or did your fingers get your ass in trouble once again? You insulted many in here. If you don't want called on it, don't insult the group. And it doesn't matter if you were answering just one person or not.

STFU up, Daryl Klunt......what lefties there may be that may not want "open borders" are not going to make peep about it nor will it stop them from supporting the socialist/communist party that is the DNC. If you support them, vote for them and they are the ones that set the goals of said communist party? Then you are put in the same sorry category. You are a gun grabbing wannabe...that much is for certain which is near and dear to leftards. You and some fellow leftards felt "insulted" by his post? And anyone should care because of????

Oh, so now I am a gun grabber once again according to you rtwingnutjobs. I think that most don't buy that. Once again, you rtwingnutjob just stepped in the crap you keep dropping everywhere. More of your GRU Putin cyber routine that's been reported. Hows the weather in Moscow these days, comrade?

Did I "stutter", fuckface? Are you becoming senile as you reach the "back nine" of your life? Have we not discussed this issue ad naseum? I asked if you had the nads to go "door to door" and confiscate over what you advocate and you bailed.

I live in Moscow, Daryl Chunt? Do tell? Since I gave you a way to talk to me directly as I reside here in Carrollton, Texas and you bailed like the big ol' pussy that you are......ya might want to walk back that "You are a rooskie" accusation, pussbag.

Ivan from Moscow would say the same thing, Comrade.

 

[Mac-7]

WTF are you talking about? I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Rigby.

You said that ALL Lefties were after the same conclusion. Well, chipper, I asked you two questions.

Am I a leftie?
Do ALL Lefties want Illegals to have a legal Drivers License and be Insured?

Why are you asking me if I think you are a lefty? I don't need to ask anybody how they think about what side I'm on. I said "you on the left" to another poster, and if you think I was talking about you, then so be it. But I didn't make the judgment on you being a lefty or not.

You made the blanket statement that ALL Lefties pretty much want Illegals to have legal Drivers Licenses. Not your exact words, but close enough. And you stated it in an open forum. Do you hold to that still or did your fingers get your ass in trouble once again? You insulted many in here. If you don't want called on it, don't insult the group. And it doesn't matter if you were answering just one person or not.

Wait a minute. I insulted who and how? It's pretty clear that Rigby is to the left. I told him that he and his peers felt the same way. I never once mentioned your name in the conversation.

You can't talk your way out of this one. You specifically said that all lefties. That means you insulted me because by your own definition, I am a leftie. I suggest if you are going to mean one person, you don't use the blanket group name. Then you are going to use the name of quite a few of us in the process and we will have the right to respond. Just a suggestions, rtwingnutjob.

I usually say “most” lefties because every lib in captivity claims to be the exception

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.

If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.

All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

In Colorado, you need Insurance to have a License. If you don't have a car, there are insurance policies that covers your license only. If you don't have insurance you don't get a license. It's called driving while uninsured and get you jail time and a nice fine plus it makes it that much harder to get a license.

In general, auto insurance follows the car not the driver. In Colorado as in most states, the owner of a vehicle is required to have insurance in order to register the car. The driver must have proof of insurance in the car at all times which is usually an insurance id card in the glove compartment. Most states require this.

The problem is enforcement. Most state do not require the owner to show proof of insurance to get the vehicle registration renewed as they are renewed online and the new registration mailed. So what happens is a person buys a car get's insurance then fails to pay the premium resulting in cancellation of coverage. There are also several other loopholes that most states never close. Some people buy old cars from an individual for cash and can't afford insurance so they never transfer the registration. Another loophole is a person borrows the car from another person who supposedly has insurance but doesn't. If they have a wreck the driver tells the cop the car is insured but since they don't own the car they know nothing about it and the cop fails to give them a ticket.

The above plus other loopholes result in one out of ever 7 cars being uninsured in the US. For those of us that are responsible and insure our cars we are stuck with carrying uninsured motorist insurance to protect our selves from uninsured vehicles.

Until you get busted for driving without insurance. Then in order to get your license reinstated, you must show valid insurance. And you don't need to own a car to have insurance.
Non Owners Car Insurance
Can you get car insurance without a car?
Yes. Guidelines vary, but typically an insurer will require that:

• You have a valid driver’s license.
• You do not own a vehicle.
• Some insurers also require that no one in your household owns a vehicle and that you do not have regular access to a vehicle.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

The fact that many illegals are just decent, hard working people makes it hard for Americans to get firm about not hiring them. I think we have to, though, Flopper, in order to stop the huge influx of illegals into this country every year. Personally, it makes more sense to me that if everyone is working (which numbers say we are) then these illegal workers are NEEDED to keep things running, and that indicates that we need to increase the number of immigrants who can come here either permanently or on work visas. Then they would be paying payroll taxes like everyone else and people could stop bitching about illegals coming here to suck us dry via welfare and healthcare and blah blah blah.

Wage increases for Americans happen naturally through the supply and demand process. When supply is low, that benefits the worker, particularly the non-skilled worker. If you cheat the system and satisfy the demand, then wages stay stagnant or even lower.

We issue 50,000 green cards and Visa's a year. That's more than enough.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I can't help it though, because I do like Mexican's. Maybe I haven't met the bad ones, but the one's I've met are humble hardworking always smiling people. We definitely need those types to be with us in America, but there is a way to do it and do it right. Legal immigration is the only way, and not upsetting the balance in our many cultures by allowing a flood of immigrants to over run our border in which is un-exceptable. We must get organized and legal in our processes, while ensuring that our own cultures thrive and prosper just as we always have. Treating people as one expects to be treated is also very important. Creating more butthurt people in America has got to end. Time to throw away the bickering partisan bullcrap for scoring political points, and get an immigration system that works.

All the while we must protect the personality, character, and the cultures that exist in America. We must hold on to who we are, and remain as great examples of who we are in the world and to the world.

Assimilation is key, and that goes for all, and especially to those who refuse to do so, and all because of hang ups that are being milked to death for political and/or personal angst through out time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

All of which could be solved by kicking them out of the country, and preventing them coming here in the first place.

Your liberal friends here want to see you thrown in prison. If you highly suspect your maid is here illegally and not reporting her, then you sir are a criminal according to them.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

All of which could be solved by kicking them out of the country, and preventing them coming here in the first place.

Your liberal friends here want to see you thrown in prison. If you highly suspect your maid is here illegally and not reporting her, then you sir are a criminal according to them.

Legally, you would be aiding and abetting a crime. Yes, catch them and kick them out. But you also want to remove the available jobs for them as well to remove the temptation. And how do we do this? Adhere to the LAW. You know, that funny little thing that you rtwingnutjobs think you are above when it suits you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In general, auto insurance follows the car not the driver.

Not in my state. When I had to have my vehicle serviced at Toyota, I rent one of their cars for convenience. All I have to do is show them I'm insured, and we're set. I rent the car and I don't have to inform my insurance company of what's going on.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

All of which could be solved by kicking them out of the country, and preventing them coming here in the first place.

Your liberal friends here want to see you thrown in prison. If you highly suspect your maid is here illegally and not reporting her, then you sir are a criminal according to them.

Legally, you would be aiding and abetting a crime. Yes, catch them and kick them out. But you also want to remove the available jobs for them as well to remove the temptation. And how do we do this? Adhere to the LAW. You know, that funny little thing that you rtwingnutjobs think you are above when it suits you.

We're doing what we can by having business raids and arresting the illegals, but we can't force companies to obey the laws. Companies hire big time lawyers. If they get caught, let the lawyers handle it. The best way to stop them from getting hired is them not being here in the first place.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

All of which could be solved by kicking them out of the country, and preventing them coming here in the first place.

Your liberal friends here want to see you thrown in prison. If you highly suspect your maid is here illegally and not reporting her, then you sir are a criminal according to them.

Legally, you would be aiding and abetting a crime. Yes, catch them and kick them out. But you also want to remove the available jobs for them as well to remove the temptation. And how do we do this? Adhere to the LAW. You know, that funny little thing that you rtwingnutjobs think you are above when it suits you.

We're doing what we can by having business raids and arresting the illegals, but we can't force companies to obey the laws. Companies hire big time lawyers. If they get caught, let the lawyers handle it. The best way to stop them from getting hired is them not being here in the first place.

Are you saying that if the Employer is caught aiding and abetting that he should be ignored so that he can continue with the next batch after his first batch is arrested by ICE? The only thing that did was to encourage more to enter the US illegally because they have a ready made job waiting for them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

All of which could be solved by kicking them out of the country, and preventing them coming here in the first place.

Your liberal friends here want to see you thrown in prison. If you highly suspect your maid is here illegally and not reporting her, then you sir are a criminal according to them.

Legally, you would be aiding and abetting a crime. Yes, catch them and kick them out. But you also want to remove the available jobs for them as well to remove the temptation. And how do we do this? Adhere to the LAW. You know, that funny little thing that you rtwingnutjobs think you are above when it suits you.

We're doing what we can by having business raids and arresting the illegals, but we can't force companies to obey the laws. Companies hire big time lawyers. If they get caught, let the lawyers handle it. The best way to stop them from getting hired is them not being here in the first place.

Are you saying that if the Employer is caught aiding and abetting that he should be ignored so that he can continue with the next batch after his first batch is arrested by ICE? The only thing that did was to encourage more to enter the US illegally because they have a ready made job waiting for them.

I never said that at all. I made reference to Floppers situation.

What happens is after a bust, the prosecutor has to prove to the court that the employer knowingly hired illegals, which is very difficult to do. It's hard to prove that the employer had knowledge of their legal status. If the prosecutor has no evidence to show the courts, it doesn't even make sense to prosecute it. Even in employers cases, they are innocent until proven guilty.

It's kind of like if a prosecutor had to prove you did not fear for your life or serious bodily harm if you used deadly force. How is a prosecutor supposed to prove what you were thinking at the time?

I may be incorrect by this, but I've never seen an industry get busted twice for hiring illegals. After the first time, they either quit practicing those hiring policies or made extra effort to make sure they were not hiring illegal aliens.

 

[WEATHER53]

They love public transportation any way so the DL fraud is mostly so they can commit other frauds in order to be more entrenched.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They love public transportation any way so the DL fraud is mostly so they can commit other frauds in order to be more entrenched.

It's to make voter fraud more confusing to detect and harder to prosecute. If an illegal goes to the library (or wherever) to deliberately try and register to vote, he or she will get turned away. If they allow the person to register and they get caught, it's a criminal case.

If they automatically register you to vote while getting a drivers license, and a DMV worker registered an illegal, it's easy to claim it was an honest mistake. If the illegal gets caught voting, they can claim ignorance of the law. Their DL said they could vote, so they voted.

 

[Flopper]

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.

Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.

Everywhere there are legal immigrants from the south, there are illegal immigrants among them. IF the Democrats are "pandering," they are pandering to the legal immigrants who are friends/relatives of the illegals that they will vote to treat decently. Of course they don't want to see them deported. You wouldn't either. The vast majority of illegals would never get close to a polling place. Too risky.

I do agree that registering to vote at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you go to renew your license or whatever is a stupid idea that should be discontinued. Go to your town office and register, providing proof of citizenship. Citizenship is not necessary for a DL; a green card will do.

I'm pretty sure our maid is undocumented. I certain would not want to see her deported. She is hard working, reliable, supports her 3 kids without any government assistance. I'm not saying all illegals in the country are like her but many are.

I believe the biggest problem posed by illegal immigrants is not they are stealing jobs from Americans, are committing serious crimes, or living off welfare. It's that they can not assimilate into society. They tend to keep to themselves out fear of being discovered, are often victims or crimes and don't report criminal activity. They don't vote, participate in civic activities, or report problems in the community to anyone so their neighborhoods are often the worst in the city. Most of their children are raised in poverty, have relative poor educations and add to Americans social problems as adults.

The fact that many illegals are just decent, hard working people makes it hard for Americans to get firm about not hiring them. I think we have to, though, Flopper, in order to stop the huge influx of illegals into this country every year. Personally, it makes more sense to me that if everyone is working (which numbers say we are) then these illegal workers are NEEDED to keep things running, and that indicates that we need to increase the number of immigrants who can come here either permanently or on work visas. Then they would be paying payroll taxes like everyone else and people could stop bitching about illegals coming here to suck us dry via welfare and healthcare and blah blah blah.

I think it's pretty obvious we need to rework the immigration system. The current system is incredibly complex, unfair to immigrants, almost impossible to enforce, and it does not provide us with the quality or quantity of immigrants we need. Many people have the idea that most of the people willing to immigrate to the US are people we don't need and that is absolutely not true. US immigration policy for over a century has been to make immigration hard, filled with bureaucratic red tape, delays, and instead of promoting immigration, Customs and Immigration actually discourages it. That may have worked a hundred years ago but not today. Well educated successful people with skills we need are being sought after by other countries. If we want better immigrants we need to go after them.

Yes, America needs immigrants, legal immigrants for a number of reasons. We need their labor, we need the dollars they spend, and we need their ideas. Even more import is the long term impact they have on economy. The birth rate for native born women in the US is the lowest it has been in nearly 50 years and falling. Sentiment among young women points to a much lower birth rate in the 21st century. A significant increase in immigration would boost our birth rate.

Do we really need a growing population? The answer is yes, if you want to see the economic growth we had in the 20th century. There are good reasons for a zero growth rate but a growing vibrant economy is not one of them.

 

[Flopper]

In general, auto insurance follows the car not the driver.

Not in my state. When I had to have my vehicle serviced at Toyota, I rent one of their cars for convenience. All I have to do is show them I'm insured, and we're set. I rent the car and I don't have to inform my insurance company of what's going on.

I lot of dealerships offer free car rental while your car is being serviced. The dealer is paying for the auto insurance or is self insured. I don't know if Toyota does that or not.