Republican Ken Buck Says Being Gay Is A Choice, And Also Like Alcoholism

[ABikerSailor]

It's been proven over and over that gays are different from straights.

They are physiologically, neurologically and hormonally different. A different gene controls all of those various traits, so no.......there isn't just 1 gene that does it, but if enough factors come together right, they will be physically different because they are BORN THAT WAY.

Anyone remember the African woman who had to give up her medal because they thought she was taking steroids or male? She was 60 percent male (based on hormones and body build), which is why they made her give up her medal.

The only thing she had that was female was genitals.

 

[Gadawg73]

It's been proven over and over that gays are different from straights.

They are physiologically, neurologically and hormonally different. A different gene controls all of those various traits, so no.......there isn't just 1 gene that does it, but if enough factors come together right, they will be physically different because they are BORN THAT WAY.

Anyone remember the African woman who had to give up her medal because they thought she was taking steroids or male? She was 60 percent male (based on hormones and body build), which is why they made her give up her medal.

The only thing she had that was female was genitals.

The evolution of the species has males mating with females. If that ain't genetic then what the fuckis? Gays are different as they are attracted to the same sex. Why are they attracted to the same sex? Because they are different. If that difference is not genetic then what is it?
My johnson became hard in the back seat of a 1966 Plymouth because of that. I was attracted to the opposite sex and if anyone anywhere on earth can claim and prove that I had a choice about 'ole Oscar standing to attention in the back seat of that Plymouth I would like to see that evidence.
Jack, Sunni and everyone else that argues the "choice" position: Get in the back seat of a Plymouth with a man and see if you can CHOOSE to get a hard on.

It doesn't work that way dumbasses. Anyone that makes those claims is bat shit crazy. Hell, even the Southern Baptists these ways now state that it is same sex attraction. They still state it is sin to practice the sex but admit fully that it is same sex attraction from birth.
Well, DUH.

 

[Seawytch]

I have made my point and made it very clear. Gays are not born that way because there is no "gay gene". That has nothing to do with religion or bigotry. It is based on fact.

"Possibly" is not an argument. We are dealing with facts here. If you have some facts then show us some links.

Actually, you expressed an opinion that is not supported by ANY facts. That sexual orientation is not chosen and that there is a genetic predisposition for sexual orientation IS supported by actual science (and I provided links to the studies earlier in this thread). What FACTS or studies can you provide that prove that sexual orientation is "chosen"? (I won't be holding my breath)

The overwhelming majority of scientists will tell you that sexual orientation is NOT chosen.

Why is it so important for you for sexual orientation to be a choice (other than too support your own homophobia)?

When did you choose to only be attracted to members of the opposite sex...or are you saying you are equally attracted to both men and women, but "chose" to act on only opposite sex attractions. That would really just make you an non practicing bisexual.

So Seawytch, tell us how you "decided" to become gay. Did you weigh the pros and cons? Did you canvas all the gay and straight people you know to ask them of their opinions? Did you get a piece of paper, divided it in half and wrote down all the reasons to be gay and straight? Did you do extensive academic research? Did you have sex with 10 women and 10 men, then decided that men were just better? Are you really good at interior design and just felt more comfortable being gay and being able to determine which credenza went with which couch? Tell us. Tell all the all-knowing experts on homosexuality here who know for certain that homosexuality is a choice just how you "decided" to be gay?

It was all in the "perks" for being gay...you know, living in constant fear of losing your job, having to tell your parents, worrying about the ostracism you might encounter because you just can't help who you fall in love with. That's what REALLY drew me to being gay.

No, really it was based primarily on the swimsuit and evening gown competitions.

 

[mal]

The Homosexual Lifestyle, which Buck was Referring... For those that Choose to Defy their Natural Design as Opposed to being Born with a Defect that keeps them from Embracing what Creates us...

Until the early 80's it was Unlimted Sex without Consequences.

30 years later, with the Overwhelming number of new HIV Cases continuing to be Gay Men, it's Clearly Exposed itself to be an Addiction, not unlike Crack or Booze.

As a Minority, Homosexuals are the Wealthiest and Most Educated, yet in the First World they Dominate new HIV Cases to this day.

And Predominantly, the number of new HIV Cases amongst Women are in the Ethnic Communities where Gay Men are NOT Accepted, so they Live on the Down Low but Prove their Heterosexuality to their Peers by Bedding Women.

Check the CDC Stats...

The Female Category is Qualified with Women who have Sex with Men who have Sex with Men.

True Story!

Anyway, the Lifestyle is Selfish and it is Plagued with Evidence of Addiction.

Not all... Nothing is all.

But for those who are not Wired Incorrectly, it is.



peace...

You might all be fascinated to know that Mal in fact never has sex unless it's to attempt to reproduce,

which, of course, is the only natural way sex should occur.

If only I was for Outlawing Deviant Sex...

Why do you Liberals have to Lie to get by?...

Can't you just have an Honest Discussion about a Difficult Topic?

Your Next Line is to Insinuate that I am one, and then there should be some People to Join in with the Trolling...

Again, I Support Civil Unions for Gays and I am Against Sodomy Laws.

Adults should be able to do whatever the Hell they want with their Bodies.

To do that, they don't Need a Dishonesty and Fake Validation by being given a False Equality in Law in Marriage.

Marriage is for the Possibility Fowarding this Species.

Everyone else can have a Civil Union and a Smile until we Evolve and Men and Men and Women and Women are Naturally Procreating.



peace...

 

[mal]

Gay men aren't promiscuous because they're gay. Gay men are promiscuous because they're guys.

If women had the same sex drive men did, nothing ever would get done. We'd still be in the stone age because we'd all be having sex 24/7. There'd be no technological advancement. Well, maybe we'd have invented the video camera and the TV so we can watch pornography. But that's about it.

Lame... If Heterosexual Men are the same, and it's a Male thing, who are Heterosexual Men being Promiscuous with?...

Try again.



peace...

Surely you can't be this dense.

The point is that heterosexual men aren't as promiscuous as gay men because women won't let heterosexual men be promiscuous since women don't have the same sex drive as men. FFS, you are on the Internet, the biggest repository of pornography the world has ever seen. And most of that porn ain't directed at women or gay men.

"Dense"... Why does it always go to the Personal with Liberals?...

Again, you can't Assert that all Men are Equally Promiscous Sexually and then Dismiss it when I Illustrate that Lack of High HIV Rates for Heterosexual Men.

If they are Promiscuous, they are having Sex...

HIV simply does NOT Spread Easily in Healthy Heterosexual Sex.

30 Years of Data don't Lie.

And by Healthy I Mean Impoverished Areas in the Third World have other Issues...

Disease, Genital Mutilation... Rape as a Matter of Practice.

You aren't going to see an Outbreak of HIV in the First World Heterosexual Population because it's simply not that Easy to Spread.

The Porn Industry would have been Plagued with it by the end of the 80's if that was the Case.



peace...

 

[Toro]

I'm not exactly sure what you are arguing Mal. The place with the highest infection rate in the world is in Africa, and it is transmitted primarily by heterosexual sex.

 

[Bern80]

A college friend of mine brought up an interesting take to this argument. Even though common sense says being gay is not a choice, how does it really change the argument if it were a choice? What upper hand has the oppostion gained by proving it's a choice?

We are basically suppossed to be free to do what we want to do in this country, so long as what we choose to do does not infringe on the freedom of others. The negatives of being gay that have been brought up like spread of STDs aren't the direct result of being gay. It's the direct result of irresponsible sexual behavior which can occur in any sexual orientation.

 

[DiamondDave]

A college friend of mine brought up an interesting take to this argument. Even though common sense says being gay is not a choice, how does it really change the argument if it were a choice? What upper hand has the oppostion gained by proving it's a choice?

We are basically suppossed to be free to do what we want to do in this country, so long as what we choose to do does not infringe on the freedom of others. The negatives of being gay that have been brought up like spread of STDs aren't the direct result of being gay. It's the direct result of irresponsible sexual behavior which can occur in any sexual orientation.

Because a claim does not give you any right to special or different treatment.... just because I would choose to say I am a dog, does not exempt me from income taxes... just because I could proclaim myself to be female does not afford me governmental treatment to put me in a female prison if I commit a crime... I cannot choose to be handicapped and have government recognize it because it is my choice, in order to get a handicapped parking permit

You can choose to do whatever or call yourself whatever.. but the minute it becomes about governmental recognition and associated privilege, I am against it

 

[mal]

I'm not exactly sure what you are arguing Mal. The place with the highest infection rate in the world is in Africa, and it is transmitted primarily by heterosexual sex.

Did you NOT Read the Post before yours?...

Lame... If Heterosexual Men are the same, and it's a Male thing, who are Heterosexual Men being Promiscuous with?...

Try again.



peace...

Surely you can't be this dense.

The point is that heterosexual men aren't as promiscuous as gay men because women won't let heterosexual men be promiscuous since women don't have the same sex drive as men. FFS, you are on the Internet, the biggest repository of pornography the world has ever seen. And most of that porn ain't directed at women or gay men.

"Dense"... Why does it always go to the Personal with Liberals?...

Again, you can't Assert that all Men are Equally Promiscous Sexually and then Dismiss it when I Illustrate that Lack of High HIV Rates for Heterosexual Men.

If they are Promiscuous, they are having Sex...

HIV simply does NOT Spread Easily in Healthy Heterosexual Sex.

30 Years of Data don't Lie.

And by Healthy I Mean Impoverished Areas in the Third World have other Issues...

Disease, Genital Mutilation... Rape as a Matter of Practice.

You aren't going to see an Outbreak of HIV in the First World Heterosexual Population because it's simply not that Easy to Spread.

The Porn Industry would have been Plagued with it by the end of the 80's if that was the Case.

peace...

 

[Gadawg73]

A college friend of mine brought up an interesting take to this argument. Even though common sense says being gay is not a choice, how does it really change the argument if it were a choice? What upper hand has the oppostion gained by proving it's a choice?

We are basically suppossed to be free to do what we want to do in this country, so long as what we choose to do does not infringe on the freedom of others. The negatives of being gay that have been brought up like spread of STDs aren't the direct result of being gay. It's the direct result of irresponsible sexual behavior which can occur in any sexual orientation.

Because a claim does not give you any right to special or different treatment.... just because I would choose to say I am a dog, does not exempt me from income taxes... just because I could proclaim myself to be female does not afford me governmental treatment to put me in a female prison if I commit a crime... I cannot choose to be handicapped and have government recognize it because it is my choice, in order to get a handicapped parking permit

You can choose to do whatever or call yourself whatever.. but the minute it becomes about governmental recognition and associated privilege, I am against it

So you are against children and military vets because the government recognizes them and "associated privilege", whatever the fuck that is?
Rush and Sean don't 'splain things too well do they?

 

[DiamondDave]

A college friend of mine brought up an interesting take to this argument. Even though common sense says being gay is not a choice, how does it really change the argument if it were a choice? What upper hand has the oppostion gained by proving it's a choice?

We are basically suppossed to be free to do what we want to do in this country, so long as what we choose to do does not infringe on the freedom of others. The negatives of being gay that have been brought up like spread of STDs aren't the direct result of being gay. It's the direct result of irresponsible sexual behavior which can occur in any sexual orientation.

Because a claim does not give you any right to special or different treatment.... just because I would choose to say I am a dog, does not exempt me from income taxes... just because I could proclaim myself to be female does not afford me governmental treatment to put me in a female prison if I commit a crime... I cannot choose to be handicapped and have government recognize it because it is my choice, in order to get a handicapped parking permit

You can choose to do whatever or call yourself whatever.. but the minute it becomes about governmental recognition and associated privilege, I am against it

So you are against children and military vets because the government recognizes them and "associated privilege", whatever the fuck that is?
Rush and Sean don't 'splain things too well do they?

And the misguided linking to employment benefits again... sorry that dog won't hunt

 

[Toro]

Mal

I mean I don't understand your central point. You are trying to tell us what? That gay men have a higher incidence of HIV? That's like saying smokers have a higher rate of lung cancer.

In the third world most of the spread of HIV occurs through consensual heterosexual intercourse. HIV spreads primarily because of ignorance not health issues. So in some countries in Africa where they have stepped up education and started emphasizing condoms, the rate of infection plummetted.

 

[mal]

Mal

I mean I don't understand your central point. You are trying to tell us what? That gay men have a higher incidence of HIV? That's like saying smokers have a higher rate of lung cancer.

In the third world most of the spread of HIV occurs through consensual heterosexual intercourse. HIV spreads primarily because of ignorance not health issues. So in some countries in Africa where they have stepped up education and started emphasizing condoms, the rate of infection plummetted.

And Poverty Breeds Illness... Illness alows for HIV to Spread Easier... So does Genital Mutilation and Rape.

But in the First World, even after 30 Years, it is still a Homosexual Disease.

"Ignorance" isn't an Excuse for Homosexuals in the US... As a Minority they are Most Educated and the Wealthiest...

So why does it Continue?...



peace...

 

[ABikerSailor]

Lame... If Heterosexual Men are the same, and it's a Male thing, who are Heterosexual Men being Promiscuous with?...

Try again.



peace...

Surely you can't be this dense.

The point is that heterosexual men aren't as promiscuous as gay men because women won't let heterosexual men be promiscuous since women don't have the same sex drive as men. FFS, you are on the Internet, the biggest repository of pornography the world has ever seen. And most of that porn ain't directed at women or gay men.

"Dense"... Why does it always go to the Personal with Liberals?...

Again, you can't Assert that all Men are Equally Promiscous Sexually and then Dismiss it when I Illustrate that Lack of High HIV Rates for Heterosexual Men.

If they are Promiscuous, they are having Sex...

HIV simply does NOT Spread Easily in Healthy Heterosexual Sex.

30 Years of Data don't Lie.

And by Healthy I Mean Impoverished Areas in the Third World have other Issues...

Disease, Genital Mutilation... Rape as a Matter of Practice.

You aren't going to see an Outbreak of HIV in the First World Heterosexual Population because it's simply not that Easy to Spread.

The Porn Industry would have been Plagued with it by the end of the 80's if that was the Case.



peace...

ohn Curtis Holmes (August 8, 1944 – March 13, 1988) better known as John C. Holmes or Johnny Wadd (after the lead character in a series of related films), was one of the most prolific male porn stars of all time, appearing in about 2,500 adult loops, stag films, and pornographic feature movies in the 1970s and 1980s. He was best known for his exceptionally large penis, which was heavily promoted as being the longest and thickest in the porn industry, although no definitive measurement of Holmes' actual penis length exists.[1] Near the end of his life, Holmes attracted notoriety for his involvement in the Wonderland murders in 1981, and eventually for his death from complications caused by AIDS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holmes_(actor)

Some did, with the most famous being John Holmes. Why else do you think the porn industry started testing?

 

[Gadawg73]

Because a claim does not give you any right to special or different treatment.... just because I would choose to say I am a dog, does not exempt me from income taxes... just because I could proclaim myself to be female does not afford me governmental treatment to put me in a female prison if I commit a crime... I cannot choose to be handicapped and have government recognize it because it is my choice, in order to get a handicapped parking permit

You can choose to do whatever or call yourself whatever.. but the minute it becomes about governmental recognition and associated privilege, I am against it

So you are against children and military vets because the government recognizes them and "associated privilege", whatever the fuck that is?
Rush and Sean don't 'splain things too well do they?

And the misguided linking to employment benefits again... sorry that dog won't hunt

Children get employment privileges?
Doesn't the US Constitution define and RECOGNIZE certain RIGHTS?
A dictator would describe rights as "privilege" when not recognizing them.
I would expect that sort of logic from a classic liberal, never a true conservative.

 

[Toro]

And Poverty Breeds Illness... Illness alows for HIV to Spread Easier... So does Genital Mutilation and Rape.

But in the First World, even after 30 Years, it is still a Homosexual Disease.

"Ignorance" isn't an Excuse for Homosexuals in the US... As a Minority they are Most Educated and the Wealthiest...

So why does it Continue?...



peace...

Because young men have a high sex drive and engage in risky behavior. This shouldn't come as a surprise.

 

[DiamondDave]

So you are against children and military vets because the government recognizes them and "associated privilege", whatever the fuck that is?
Rush and Sean don't 'splain things too well do they?

And the misguided linking to employment benefits again... sorry that dog won't hunt

Children get employment privileges?
Doesn't the US Constitution define and RECOGNIZE certain RIGHTS?
A dictator would describe rights as "privilege" when not recognizing them.
I would expect that sort of logic from a classic liberal, never a true conservative.

It is pretty easy to know an age.. your age is not a choice... and it is known that a person under the age of 18 is a minor.. but you know damn well that you attempted to link (as many libs do) the employment benefits of the military to preferred governmental treatment (whether it be for a choice group like the homosexuals or welfare junkies or whatever else you guys bring up)

Rights to every person.. including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... it does not mean that you get to choose your standing to receive other rights...

As stated, your choices do not dictate rights nor should the dictate special privileges given by the government... you do not get to choose to say you are handicapped to earn the special privilege of a handicapped parking permit, as stated the previous time I used that example... just as a choice to act homosexual or engage in homosexual acts does not mean you should get the privileges afforded to other persons

A homosexual should have the same equal treatment under law... hence my belief that the government should be out of the marriage business and that all dual adult family units should be recognized with the same privileges of inheritance, power of attorney for emergency decisions, taxation, etc... I do not believe in laws making homosexual acts illegal, because that is unequal treatment by government...

But also remembering that the choices we make can exclude us from certain things... just as the choice to do drugs or commit a crime while in the military can lead to discharge, for it is detrimental to the mission of the military... I fully believe the choice of homosexual activity detrimental to the mission of the military... and while you are free to make that choice, you are also subject to the consequences... no special treatment because of choice

 

[Gadawg73]

And the misguided linking to employment benefits again... sorry that dog won't hunt

Children get employment privileges?
Doesn't the US Constitution define and RECOGNIZE certain RIGHTS?
A dictator would describe rights as "privilege" when not recognizing them.
I would expect that sort of logic from a classic liberal, never a true conservative.

It is pretty easy to know an age.. your age is not a choice... and it is known that a person under the age of 18 is a minor.. but you know damn well that you attempted to link (as many libs do) the employment benefits of the military to preferred governmental treatment (whether it be for a choice group like the homosexuals or welfare junkies or whatever else you guys bring up)

Rights to every person.. including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... it does not mean that you get to choose your standing to receive other rights...

As stated, your choices do not dictate rights nor should the dictate special privileges given by the government... you do not get to choose to say you are handicapped to earn the special privilege of a handicapped parking permit, as stated the previous time I used that example... just as a choice to act homosexual or engage in homosexual acts does not mean you should get the privileges afforded to other persons

A homosexual should have the same equal treatment under law... hence my belief that the government should be out of the marriage business and that all dual adult family units should be recognized with the same privileges of inheritance, power of attorney for emergency decisions, taxation, etc... I do not believe in laws making homosexual acts illegal, because that is unequal treatment by government...

But also remembering that the choices we make can exclude us from certain things... just as the choice to do drugs or commit a crime while in the military can lead to discharge, for it is detrimental to the mission of the military... I fully believe the choice of homosexual activity detrimental to the mission of the military... and while you are free to make that choice, you are also subject to the consequences... no special treatment because of choice

Heterosexual activity is banned in the military also.
So what is the issue?

 

[FA_Q2]

And Poverty Breeds Illness... Illness alows for HIV to Spread Easier... So does Genital Mutilation and Rape.

But in the First World, even after 30 Years, it is still a Homosexual Disease.

"Ignorance" isn't an Excuse for Homosexuals in the US... As a Minority they are Most Educated and the Wealthiest...

So why does it Continue?...



peace...

Because young men have a high sex drive and engage in risky behavior. This shouldn't come as a surprise.

Sorry, this does not jive at all. There is a reason that AIDS affect homosexuals at a grater rate than heterosexual people. It is DIFFICULT for aids to be transmitted through 'normal' sex practices because it is not truly a STD as many other STD's are. It is a blood bourn pathogen and only relates to an STD because there is a minute amount of blood contained in semen and that makes it transmutable during sex. If aids comes in contact with the outside world then it will likely die and not be transmitted. What is of special importance here is that anal sex has a HIGH rate of bleeding for both the giver and receiver thus creating the PERFECT situation for aids to be transmitted. It is worth pointing out that heterosexual couples that are engaged in anal sex will transmit AIDS at the same rate. It is also FAR simpler for a female to contract AIDS then it is for a male as a male is depositing a small amount of blood in the female yet the male must have some sort of wound in order to receive it from the female. That is not to say it is terribly unlikely, people receive micro cuts all the time that they never even know about but it is a lot less likely than the women contracting it.

AIDS is NOT a homosexual decease but it is transmitted FAR faster in homosexual men. Of course this has NOTHING to do with the actual issue: gay marriage or gay being a choice. We do not base law on the fact that one group of people has a higher incidence of an illness than any other. Black men have a higher rate of heart disease, would you also advocate that it is illegal for black men to eat fast food? Of course not, that is ludicrous. On a tangent to this, everyone that links AIDS to homosexuality is missing a HUGE section of the gay community: lesbians! AIDS is NOT transmitted faster in lesbian sex and is actually LESS likely to be transmitted through lesbian sex as the exchange of bodily fluid is a lot less prevalent and bleeding even more so. That really kicks anything based on that argument in the ass.

 

[Rinata]

There is a lot of information out there on this topic. I think people are born gay. This is some of the information contained in an article that I really like:

There is now plenty of research which shows that a person's sexual orientation, far from being a phase or a lifestyle choice, is a reflection of fixed properties of their brain that develop at an early age.

A new study adds new weight to this evidence by using brain-scanning technology to look at the differences between the brains of gay and straight people. Ivanka Savic and Per Lindstrom at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm scanned the brains of 90 men and women of different sexual orientations. Their images show that in the brains of gay people, certain features including symmetry and connections to the brain's emotional centre are more closely matched to the brains of straight people from the opposite sex.

Brains of gay people resemble those of straight people of opposite sex : Not Exactly Rocket Science