Republicans, Do You Not See The Hypocrisy In Your Disdain For Paying Taxes?

[Skull Pilot]

I thinks it's funny that more democrats actually cheat on their taxes yet want everyone else to pay more.

The Daily Beast Ranks the Party Democratic or Republican With the Most Tax Cheats - The Daily Beast

 

[teapartysamurai]

We have disdain in paying taxes?????

You want to see how liberals feel about it?

Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to paying taxes - LA Times

Bill Maher’s Tax Hypocrisy
Bill Maher 8217 s Tax Hypocrisy FrontPage Magazine

Name the liberal hypocrite quiz
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/doasisay/quiz.pdf

Lol you cons have the hardest time with nuance. He said state taxes were too high, not the federal. For California, he felt 50% was too much.

Bwahahahaa! "Nuance" is a liberal way of saying "Do as I say, NOT AS I DO."

You just started an op that's a polemic against conservatives complaining about taxes but now tell us it's "nuance" when a liberal does the same.

You are hilarious, laughably, laughably, hilarious!

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

 

[Skull Pilot]

You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes.

Big pick assumption there bud. You might want to quantify that ridiculous comment.

I love how the left always uses red herrings and goes to the extreme. You will RARELY hear a conservative stated taxes aren't necessary! Over-taxation is becoming a problem that is making the US uncompetitive in the global market. There should be a compromise, such as reducing the highest corporate tax in the world and caps on property taxes (the only thing CA has done right).

For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. .

How the fuck do you know that. I guarantee there are many more people than you think abusing entitlement programs. But I will agree the attack on food stamps is illogical. First, food stamps help to only a small degree. The benefit is small compared to the need and it help but solves nothing. The majority of the food stamp enrollees need the support, I will agree to that.

On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes

First off if the tea partiers didn't pay their taxes then the IRS will come after them. Heck the IRS comes after them even when they do. Second, you make an awful lot of assumption about people and most are incorrect. The vast majority of tea partiers are middle class everyday Joes (and some Joses, Jermones and Jins) that wake up go to work, get a paycheck, bring home bacon and don't take a cent to entitlement assistance. They believe is self-reliance. If they didn't believe in that then I doubt they would go to a tea party rally and would think 10 fold more like you.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

First, off I guarantee the tea party as a whole pays way more than their fair share of taxes and your claim they mooch shows how dishonest your attack of them is. Second, damn right we have every right to complain about OVER-TAXATION, OVER-SPENDING, OVER-REGULATION and a MIND BLOWING DEFICIT!

Who the fuck are you to tell us we have to just listen to our masters in the government and jump off the cliff with them! Sorry but I care more about a better country for my children then a better cash cow for my government!

You people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. When you do concede you should you don't give any specifics on what you should pay that is still healthy for the economy. You just say "eliminate waste!" and can never come up with anything specific.

LOL the vast majority of tea baggers are middle class? Are you fucking kidding me? Many are poor and many live off Medicare.

We are not over taxed. Taxes is only high in terms of raw dollars. The size of the economy and inflation must be accounted for. The only way to measure revenue is by computing it as a percentage of the GDP. Right now it is near the historic low of 16%.

Oh and the deficit has been falling for quite some time now.

You know why it's low right now?

Because we have more people than ever before paying no income taxes and receiving government benefits.

So really a smaller proportion of people are shouldering the tax burden than ever before but that's the way you idiots want it.

 

[Billy000]

Lol you cons have the hardest time with nuance. He said state taxes were too high, not the federal. For California, he felt 50% was too much.

Bwahahahaa! "Nuance" is a liberal way of saying "Do as I say, NOT AS I DO."

You just started an op that's a polemic against conservatives complaining about taxes but now tell us it's "nuance" when a liberal does the same.

You are hilarious, laughably, laughably, hilarious!

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

They all want to live in the best country in the world but none of them want to pay for it.

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

National defense is enumerated in the constitution. You knew that. Corporate welfare, food stamps, and other gravy train items are not.

Please cite the actual terms in the Constitution where it requires that this nation spend as much as the next 10 highest nations combined.

And why we should buy more of what we don't use and will never use again.
Chart Of Defense Spending By Country - Business Insider

 

[teapartysamurai]

Bwahahahaa! "Nuance" is a liberal way of saying "Do as I say, NOT AS I DO."

You just started an op that's a polemic against conservatives complaining about taxes but now tell us it's "nuance" when a liberal does the same.

You are hilarious, laughably, laughably, hilarious!

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

I know why you don't think you need defend these individuals.

That's typical liberal hypocrisy.

You condemn conservatives complaining about taxes, but you want to be silent about liberals doing the EXACT SAME THING AND HIDING THEIR MONEY TO NOT PAY TAXES.

That's typical! It's ONLY okay to do stuff like this when you are liberal.

You are just proving your own hypocrisy.

 

[teapartysamurai]

They all want to live in the best country in the world but none of them want to pay for it.

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

National defense is enumerated in the constitution. You knew that. Corporate welfare, food stamps, and other gravy train items are not.

Please cite the actual terms in the Constitution where it requires that this nation spend as much as the next 10 highest nations combined.

And why we should buy more of what we don't use and will never use again.
Chart Of Defense Spending By Country - Business Insider

Liberals are always telling us how we will never need armaments.

Until the next war.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Bwahahahaa! "Nuance" is a liberal way of saying "Do as I say, NOT AS I DO."

You just started an op that's a polemic against conservatives complaining about taxes but now tell us it's "nuance" when a liberal does the same.

You are hilarious, laughably, laughably, hilarious!

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

Especially since all they did was abide by the law.

 

[rightwinger]

Lol you cons have the hardest time with nuance. He said state taxes were too high, not the federal. For California, he felt 50% was too much.

Bwahahahaa! "Nuance" is a liberal way of saying "Do as I say, NOT AS I DO."

You just started an op that's a polemic against conservatives complaining about taxes but now tell us it's "nuance" when a liberal does the same.

You are hilarious, laughably, laughably, hilarious!

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

Wealthy liberals are willing to raise their own taxes
Why aren't wealthy Conservatives?

 

[rightwinger]

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

National defense is enumerated in the constitution. You knew that. Corporate welfare, food stamps, and other gravy train items are not.

Please cite the actual terms in the Constitution where it requires that this nation spend as much as the next 10 highest nations combined.

And why we should buy more of what we don't use and will never use again.
Chart Of Defense Spending By Country - Business Insider

Liberals are always telling us how we will never need armaments.

Until the next war.

FDR was as libral as they come

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bwahahahaa! "Nuance" is a liberal way of saying "Do as I say, NOT AS I DO."

You just started an op that's a polemic against conservatives complaining about taxes but now tell us it's "nuance" when a liberal does the same.

You are hilarious, laughably, laughably, hilarious!

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

Wealthy liberals are willing to raise their own taxes
Why aren't wealthy Conservatives?

Those people are free to write a big fat check payable to the United States' Treasury so why don't they?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

National defense is enumerated in the constitution. You knew that. Corporate welfare, food stamps, and other gravy train items are not.

Please cite the actual terms in the Constitution where it requires that this nation spend as much as the next 10 highest nations combined.

And why we should buy more of what we don't use and will never use again.
Chart Of Defense Spending By Country - Business Insider

Liberals are always telling us how we will never need armaments.

Until the next war.

Post where I, or anyone else said "we will never need armaments".

 

[Billy000]

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

I know why you don't think you need defend these individuals.

That's typical liberal hypocrisy.

You condemn conservatives complaining about taxes, but you want to be silent about liberals doing the EXACT SAME THING AND HIDING THEIR MONEY TO NOT PAY TAXES.

That's typical! It's ONLY okay to do stuff like this when you are liberal.

You are just proving your own hypocrisy.

Except that paying little in taxes is part of the conservative dogma. It isn't in the liberal one.

 

[The Rabbi]

You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes.

Big pick assumption there bud. You might want to quantify that ridiculous comment.

I love how the left always uses red herrings and goes to the extreme. You will RARELY hear a conservative stated taxes aren't necessary! Over-taxation is becoming a problem that is making the US uncompetitive in the global market. There should be a compromise, such as reducing the highest corporate tax in the world and caps on property taxes (the only thing CA has done right).

For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. .

How the fuck do you know that. I guarantee there are many more people than you think abusing entitlement programs. But I will agree the attack on food stamps is illogical. First, food stamps help to only a small degree. The benefit is small compared to the need and it help but solves nothing. The majority of the food stamp enrollees need the support, I will agree to that.

On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes

First off if the tea partiers didn't pay their taxes then the IRS will come after them. Heck the IRS comes after them even when they do. Second, you make an awful lot of assumption about people and most are incorrect. The vast majority of tea partiers are middle class everyday Joes (and some Joses, Jermones and Jins) that wake up go to work, get a paycheck, bring home bacon and don't take a cent to entitlement assistance. They believe is self-reliance. If they didn't believe in that then I doubt they would go to a tea party rally and would think 10 fold more like you.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

First, off I guarantee the tea party as a whole pays way more than their fair share of taxes and your claim they mooch shows how dishonest your attack of them is. Second, damn right we have every right to complain about OVER-TAXATION, OVER-SPENDING, OVER-REGULATION and a MIND BLOWING DEFICIT!

Who the fuck are you to tell us we have to just listen to our masters in the government and jump off the cliff with them! Sorry but I care more about a better country for my children then a better cash cow for my government!

You people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. When you do concede you should you don't give any specifics on what you should pay that is still healthy for the economy. You just say "eliminate waste!" and can never come up with anything specific.

LOL the vast majority of tea baggers are middle class? Are you fucking kidding me? Many are poor and many live off Medicare.

We are not over taxed. Taxes is only high in terms of raw dollars. The size of the economy and inflation must be accounted for. The only way to measure revenue is by computing it as a percentage of the GDP. Right now it is near the historic low of 16%.

Oh and the deficit has been falling for quite some time now.

Please post examples of conservatives complaining about the very idea of paying taxes.

This is another Billy troll thread where he throws out some shit he saw on a bumper sticker and then can't defend the basic premise of his own thread so has to deflect. I predict his response to my question will be "You can't be serious!"

 

[The Rabbi]

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

I know why you don't think you need defend these individuals.

That's typical liberal hypocrisy.

You condemn conservatives complaining about taxes, but you want to be silent about liberals doing the EXACT SAME THING AND HIDING THEIR MONEY TO NOT PAY TAXES.

That's typical! It's ONLY okay to do stuff like this when you are liberal.

You are just proving your own hypocrisy.

Except that paying little in taxes is part of the conservative dogma. It isn't in the liberal one.

Y
You understand that "paying little in taxes" is not the same as "complain about the very idea of paying taxes" right?
Probably not. To stupid people like you things that sound vaguely similar are identitical. That's why you're stupid.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes.

Big pick assumption there bud. You might want to quantify that ridiculous comment.

I love how the left always uses red herrings and goes to the extreme. You will RARELY hear a conservative stated taxes aren't necessary! Over-taxation is becoming a problem that is making the US uncompetitive in the global market. There should be a compromise, such as reducing the highest corporate tax in the world and caps on property taxes (the only thing CA has done right).

For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. .

How the fuck do you know that. I guarantee there are many more people than you think abusing entitlement programs. But I will agree the attack on food stamps is illogical. First, food stamps help to only a small degree. The benefit is small compared to the need and it help but solves nothing. The majority of the food stamp enrollees need the support, I will agree to that.

On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes

First off if the tea partiers didn't pay their taxes then the IRS will come after them. Heck the IRS comes after them even when they do. Second, you make an awful lot of assumption about people and most are incorrect. The vast majority of tea partiers are middle class everyday Joes (and some Joses, Jermones and Jins) that wake up go to work, get a paycheck, bring home bacon and don't take a cent to entitlement assistance. They believe is self-reliance. If they didn't believe in that then I doubt they would go to a tea party rally and would think 10 fold more like you.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

First, off I guarantee the tea party as a whole pays way more than their fair share of taxes and your claim they mooch shows how dishonest your attack of them is. Second, damn right we have every right to complain about OVER-TAXATION, OVER-SPENDING, OVER-REGULATION and a MIND BLOWING DEFICIT!

Who the fuck are you to tell us we have to just listen to our masters in the government and jump off the cliff with them! Sorry but I care more about a better country for my children then a better cash cow for my government!

You people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. When you do concede you should you don't give any specifics on what you should pay that is still healthy for the economy. You just say "eliminate waste!" and can never come up with anything specific.

LOL the vast majority of tea baggers are middle class? Are you fucking kidding me? Many are poor and many live off Medicare.

We are not over taxed. Taxes is only high in terms of raw dollars. The size of the economy and inflation must be accounted for. The only way to measure revenue is by computing it as a percentage of the GDP. Right now it is near the historic low of 16%.

Oh and the deficit has been falling for quite some time now.

Please post examples of conservatives complaining about the very idea of paying taxes.

This is another Billy troll thread where he throws out some shit he saw on a bumper sticker and then can't defend the basic premise of his own thread so has to deflect. I predict his response to my question will be "You can't be serious!"

His "logic" is the same as when idiots like him say that those who want smaller less intrusive government actually want anarchy.

 

[Billy000]

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

I know why you don't think you need defend these individuals.

That's typical liberal hypocrisy.

You condemn conservatives complaining about taxes, but you want to be silent about liberals doing the EXACT SAME THING AND HIDING THEIR MONEY TO NOT PAY TAXES.

That's typical! It's ONLY okay to do stuff like this when you are liberal.

You are just proving your own hypocrisy.

Except that paying little in taxes is part of the conservative dogma. It isn't in the liberal one.

Y
You understand that "paying little in taxes" is not the same as "complain about the very idea of paying taxes" right?
Probably not. To stupid people like you things that sound vaguely similar are identitical. That's why you're stupid.

Oh rabbi you are so transparent. You try so desperately to feel correct about something. It's sad really.

 

[rightwinger]

No no you people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. Anytime you say you do support paying taxes, you can never give examples of what you want to fund. You never give any specifics that's realistic. Bush's tax cuts is part of the reason for our crazy national debt.

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

Wealthy liberals are willing to raise their own taxes
Why aren't wealthy Conservatives?

Those people are free to write a big fat check payable to the United States' Treasury so why don't they?

Yes and those who voted to invade Iraq were free to enlist themselves

Easy isn't it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

Wealthy liberals are willing to raise their own taxes
Why aren't wealthy Conservatives?

Those people are free to write a big fat check payable to the United States' Treasury so why don't they?

Yes and those who voted to invade Iraq were free to enlist themselves

Easy isn't it?

Yes it is.

Either you are a fucking hypocrite or you are not.

 

[Derideo_Te]

They all want to live in the best country in the world but none of them want to pay for it.

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

Defense is one of the things the federal government is actually MANDATED to do.

As for corporate welfare, most of the time you guys are talking about tax breaks, not direct subsidies.

Where is it "mandated" that the US must rack up massive deficit spending in order to maintain the military?