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Republicans, Do You Not See The Hypocrisy In Your Disdain For Paying Taxes?

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog
I Don't understand why you feel I should defend these individuals. I Don't care if the list is accurate. I defended Maher because I know you're wrong about him.

I know why you don't think you need defend these individuals.

That's typical liberal hypocrisy.

You condemn conservatives complaining about taxes, but you want to be silent about liberals doing the EXACT SAME THING AND HIDING THEIR MONEY TO NOT PAY TAXES.

That's typical! It's ONLY okay to do stuff like this when you are liberal.

You are just proving your own hypocrisy.
Except that paying little in taxes is part of the conservative dogma. It isn't in the liberal one.
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You understand that "paying little in taxes" is not the same as "complain about the very idea of paying taxes" right?
Probably not. To stupid people like you things that sound vaguely similar are identitical. That's why you're stupid.
Oh rabbi you are so transparent. You try so desperately to feel correct about something. It's sad really.
No. What's sad is your need to post a daily troll thread that you end up running from when the rest of the board realizes you're full of shit.
And then doing the same thing the next day.
Havent you figured out you are way way out of your league here?
 
Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

:lol:
Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

Wealthy liberals are willing to raise their own taxes
Why aren't wealthy Conservatives?
Those people are free to write a big fat check payable to the United States' Treasury so why don't they?

Yes and those who voted to invade Iraq were free to enlist themselves

Easy isn't it?
Besides I don't see how you can compare writing a check to risking your life in an unwarranted war.
 
Federal taxes should be used for two things, Infrastructure and national defense.
State taxes should be used to fund local utilities, education, and government services (police, firemen ext).

The Government should stay the hell out of everything else.
 
They all want to live in the best country in the world but none of them want to pay for it.

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

Defense is one of the things the federal government is actually MANDATED to do.

As for corporate welfare, most of the time you guys are talking about tax breaks, not direct subsidies.

Where is it "mandated" that the US must rack up massive deficit spending in order to maintain the military?
It's not the maintenance of the military that costs so much it's th fact that we police the world for those other countries who have no military.

It's time for us to let them fend for themselves.
 
Bwahahahaahaa!

What doesn't Bill Maher "support" or those other liberals when they dodge or complain about taxes?????????

You can't worm your way out of this.

You got nailed on your party's own hypocrisy.

Just deal with it!

:lol:
Lol Bill Maher is a millionaire you clown. He has always supported higher taxes on the rich. He supported Obama's plan.

Yeah, until it was HE that had to pay the taxes and then he started complaining.

Like all liberals it was OTHER PEOPLE supposed to pay the taxes not him.

You want a list of liberals caught putting their money in tax shelters why preaching WE should pay higher taxes????

Note: One of those liberals is BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes
The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

The Weekly Standard reports:

Disclosure forms reveal that Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a member of Congress from Florida, previously held funds with investments in Swiss banks, foreign drug companies, and the state bank of India. This revelation comes mere days after the Democratic chair attacked presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney for holding money in Swiss bank accounts in the past.

Nancy Pelosi

The Daily Caller reports:

According to Pelosi’s 2011 financial disclosure statement, the Democratic House Minority Leader received between $1 million and $5 million in partnership income from ”Matthews International Capital Management LLC,” a group that emphasizes that it has a “A Singular Focus on Investing in Asia.”A quick trip to the company website reveals a featured post extolling the virtues of outsourcing.

Valerie Jarrett
fireandreamitchell.com reports:

Top Obama adviser and BFF Valerie Jarrett has a line of credit from a Bermuda insurance company valued between $100,000 and a quarter of a million dollars.

Barack Obama

Fox News reports:

President Obama and his wife, Michele, gave a total of $48,000 in tax-free gifts to their daughters, according to tax records made public on Friday.Thepresident and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federaltaxes.There is nothing illegal about the president’s taking advantage of this tax shelter, but it does raise eyebrows given that he has lamented the myriad tax exemptions used by the wealthy—“millionaires and billionaires” like himself—to pay less in taxes.

Noam Chomsky

The Hoover Institution reports:

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky’s work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the “massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich” and criticized the concentration of wealth in “trusts” by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with “complicated devices for ensuring that the poor—like 80 percent of the population—pay off the rich.”

But trusts can’t be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston’s venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in “income-tax planning,” set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favors the estate tax and massive income redistribution—just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: “I don’t apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren,” he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam.

John Kerry

The Boston Globe reports:

Documents obtained by the Globe detail John Kerry’s 1983 investment of between $25,000 and $30,000 in offshore companies registered in the Cayman Islands. The document below, signed by Kerry, shows his pledge to purchase 2,470 shares of Peabody Commodities Trading Corp. through Sytel Traders, registered in the Caymans.

Barney Frank

National Review reports:

When Massachusetts cut its top tax rate to 5.3 percent in 2001, it let guilty liberals pay the old 5.85 percent rate if they wished… Pro-tax U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.) spurned the higher rate. “No, I won’t” pay some $800 extra, Frank told Boston radio host Howie Carr in April 2003.

Michael Moore

ihatethemedia.com reports:

Moore’s most recent effort, Capitalism: A Love Story, took aim at businesses that used shelters to avoid paying taxes and took government bailouts during the market crash.

The thing is, Moore used similar tactics, taking advantage of a Michigan tax break to fund the making of his film–which raked in millions, by the way. Michigan taxpayers–already hit hard with the collapsing auto industry–were left holding the funny money bag for that one.

Bill Clinton

USA Today reports:

Former president Bill Clinton once made public a tax return on which he deducted $2 apiece for donated underwear.

The following rich liberals have all used legal tax shelters to legally lower their taxes Dan from Squirrel Hill s Blog

Wealthy liberals are willing to raise their own taxes
Why aren't wealthy Conservatives?
Those people are free to write a big fat check payable to the United States' Treasury so why don't they?

Yes and those who voted to invade Iraq were free to enlist themselves

Easy isn't it?
If you think those are comparable you're even dumber than you appear.
They were not free to enlist. Many voting were way over age. Some were veterans themselves. Many had children in the military.
But anyone can write a check to the Treasury. Go ahead. For the children.
 
You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes. For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

Yeah, yeah the poor don't pay taxes derp, derp, derp. There's an easy solution for that. Raise the goddamn minimum wage so it can at least be kept up with the current level of fucking inflation. Then we can all pay taxes!
Paying taxes is a part of America's culture, but it's not terrorism to expect those folks in Washington not to waste what we give them.

Raise the MW and everything else goes up with it.

When we ever see a day when one of you liberals volunteered to pay extra we might STFU, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Just write a check to Uncle Sam. Leave the amount blank and put a note in there telling them to take what they need. It's cool.

Until then spare us.

:gives:
 
You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes. For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

Yeah, yeah the poor don't pay taxes derp, derp, derp. There's an easy solution for that. Raise the goddamn minimum wage so it can at least be kept up with the current level of fucking inflation. Then we can all pay taxes!
Paying taxes is a part of America's culture, but it's not terrorism to expect those folks in Washington not to waste what we give them.

Raise the MW and everything else goes up with it.

When we ever see a day when one of you liberals volunteered to pay extra we might STFU, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Just write a check to Uncle Sam. Leave the amount blank and put a note in there telling them to take what they need. It's cool.

Until then spare us.

:gives:
Lol you people say that a lot. Rich liberals should just write a check to the IRS. That really wouldn't fix the problem now would it?
 
They all want to live in the best country in the world but none of them want to pay for it.

I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

Defense is one of the things the federal government is actually MANDATED to do.

As for corporate welfare, most of the time you guys are talking about tax breaks, not direct subsidies.

Where is it "mandated" that the US must rack up massive deficit spending in order to maintain the military?
It's not the maintenance of the military that costs so much it's th fact that we police the world for those other countries who have no military.

It's time for us to let them fend for themselves.

So we can add you to the list of people who want to slash all defense spending by 50%?
 
You can tell by the desperation that the left is out of ideas and out of issues. All we are going to get from now to the election is cliches and inane posts.
 
So your "solution" is to force employers to pay poor people more money and then take it away in taxes so that a bloated and inefficient government can spend it? :confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84:

Yeah, that will work!:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:

It'll work real good because then we'll have a lot MORE people with no jobs at all who will use even MORE government assistance than ever. It's a win/win for everyone!!!
 
You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes. For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

Yeah, yeah the poor don't pay taxes derp, derp, derp. There's an easy solution for that. Raise the goddamn minimum wage so it can at least be kept up with the current level of fucking inflation. Then we can all pay taxes!


Another liberal shows that they just don't get it.

No one is saying we shouldn't pay to fund necessary government functions. Problem is that the left seems to think micromanaging people's lives is a legitimate function.
 
So your "solution" is to force employers to pay poor people more money and then take it away in taxes so that a bloated and inefficient government can spend it? :confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84:

Yeah, that will work!:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:
Crap like this just blows my mind. What do you think pays for our military and public school. Granted over spending is a problem but spending itself is pretty fucking basic man. Taxes fund shit.

Since you admit that over spending is a problem then why aren't you here calling on a stop to that? You're like a man with a bucket full of big holes that keeps telling others that you need more water to keep your bucket from being empty. If you don't fix overspending and sheer waste, Billy you're NEVER going to fill that bucket no matter how much water you pour into it!
Why should make that call in this thread? You people whine about enough. It's really the only thing that makes sense that you whine about.

Well with how much you all love defense spending, you better cough up some more dough or face cuts.

Put the entire budget under the microscope. Start cutting everything that is NOT explicitly authorized in the Constitution first. You won't need to cut defense.
 
You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes. For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.

Yeah, yeah the poor don't pay taxes derp, derp, derp. There's an easy solution for that. Raise the goddamn minimum wage so it can at least be kept up with the current level of fucking inflation. Then we can all pay taxes!


Another liberal shows that they just don't get it.

No one is saying we shouldn't pay to fund necessary government functions. Problem is that the left seems to think micromanaging people's lives is a legitimate function.

Liberal never stop adding to the list of things they think are "necessary government functions".
 
I do want to live in the best country in the world. I also want my government to use the money that I give them...money that I worked hard to make...in a way that makes the US a better place to live in. I simply want them to treat my money like it has value, Mr. Clean and not like I'm some faceless ATM that they can keep tapping for more spending cash!

You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

Defense is one of the things the federal government is actually MANDATED to do.

As for corporate welfare, most of the time you guys are talking about tax breaks, not direct subsidies.

Where is it "mandated" that the US must rack up massive deficit spending in order to maintain the military?
It's not the maintenance of the military that costs so much it's th fact that we police the world for those other countries who have no military.

It's time for us to let them fend for themselves.

So we can add you to the list of people who want to slash all defense spending by 50%?

Cut out the unconstitutional unmadated crap first, then we can talk.
 
Oh and the deficit has been falling for quite some time now.

You bet it has.

That means nothing.

It is still way to high.

But relative changes are always a good thing in your favor.

All four engines on the plane were on fire.

Now there are only three.

Great.....less engines are on fire.

THERE ARE STILL ENGINES ON FIRE.

Suck on it.
 
So your "solution" is to force employers to pay poor people more money and then take it away in taxes so that a bloated and inefficient government can spend it? :confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84:

Yeah, that will work!:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:
Crap like this just blows my mind. What do you think pays for our military and public school. Granted over spending is a problem but spending itself is pretty fucking basic man. Taxes fund shit.

Since you admit that over spending is a problem then why aren't you here calling on a stop to that? You're like a man with a bucket full of big holes that keeps telling others that you need more water to keep your bucket from being empty. If you don't fix overspending and sheer waste, Billy you're NEVER going to fill that bucket no matter how much water you pour into it!
Why should make that call in this thread? You people whine about enough. It's really the only thing that makes sense that you whine about.

Well with how much you all love defense spending, you better cough up some more dough or face cuts.

Put the entire budget under the microscope. Start cutting everything that is NOT explicitly authorized in the Constitution first. You won't need to cut defense.
Oh right. Let's cut out the FDA. Let's let companies put whatever the hell they want in their food and drugs. While we're at it, we'll let paint companies be careless about how much lead is going in their products.
 
You are constantly complaining about the moocher culture in this country yet you expect the government to pay for everything for you by not wanting to pay taxes.
Big pick assumption there bud. You might want to quantify that ridiculous comment.

I love how the left always uses red herrings and goes to the extreme. You will RARELY hear a conservative stated taxes aren't necessary! Over-taxation is becoming a problem that is making the US uncompetitive in the global market. There should be a compromise, such as reducing the highest corporate tax in the world and caps on property taxes (the only thing CA has done right).

For one thing, it is a very small minority of people who abuse government assistance like food stamps. Food stamps, by and large, feed starving families. The actual facts and statistics on food stamps, that you refuse to acknowledge, reflect that. .
How the fuck do you know that. I guarantee there are many more people than you think abusing entitlement programs. But I will agree the attack on food stamps is illogical. First, food stamps help to only a small degree. The benefit is small compared to the need and it help but solves nothing. The majority of the food stamp enrollees need the support, I will agree to that.

On the other hand, there are 10s of million mooching tea baggers who would prefer not to pay taxes
First off if the tea partiers didn't pay their taxes then the IRS will come after them. Heck the IRS comes after them even when they do. Second, you make an awful lot of assumption about people and most are incorrect. The vast majority of tea partiers are middle class everyday Joes (and some Joses, Jermones and Jins) that wake up go to work, get a paycheck, bring home bacon and don't take a cent to entitlement assistance. They believe is self-reliance. If they didn't believe in that then I doubt they would go to a tea party rally and would think 10 fold more like you.

Paying taxes is part of being a citizen of this country. You can't bitch and whine about the national debt AND paying taxes. How you don't see how those issues are connected just blows my mind. You want a bitching military? Pay your taxes. You want your kids to go to public school? Pay your taxes. You want this country to have strong infrastructure? Pay your fucking taxes you mooch.
First, off I guarantee the tea party as a whole pays way more than their fair share of taxes and your claim they mooch shows how dishonest your attack of them is. Second, damn right we have every right to complain about OVER-TAXATION, OVER-SPENDING, OVER-REGULATION and a MIND BLOWING DEFICIT!

Who the fuck are you to tell us we have to just listen to our masters in the government and jump off the cliff with them! Sorry but I care more about a better country for my children then a better cash cow for my government!
You people complain about the very idea of paying taxes. When you do concede you should you don't give any specifics on what you should pay that is still healthy for the economy. You just say "eliminate waste!" and can never come up with anything specific.

LOL the vast majority of tea baggers are middle class? Are you fucking kidding me? Many are poor and many live off Medicare.

We are not over taxed. Taxes is only high in terms of raw dollars. The size of the economy and inflation must be accounted for. The only way to measure revenue is by computing it as a percentage of the GDP. Right now it is near the historic low of 16%.

Oh and the deficit has been falling for quite some time now.

And most of the limosine liberals avoiding taxes like Noam Chomsky, Al Gore, the late Ted Kennedy, or Warren Buffet are RICH, limosine liberals who want other people to say high taxes while they put their money in tax shelters or leave the country (Buffet) to avoid paying the corporate tax.

You won't address that, how come?

Again you are saying giving your own a free pass.
You are giving anecdotal examples. I don't care. Maybe those individuals are hypocrites, but so the fuck what? It hardly matters to my argument.

Just what is your argument ?
 
You don't "give YOUR money" to the government.

We the People have a government OF the people and FOR the people.

If you want to be part of We the People then you have to pay for the privilege by paying your full share of the tax burden.

Anything less than that is mooching.

As far as "waste" goes you can start by agreeing to eliminate 100% of corporate welfare and 50% of defense spending.

When you agree to those 2 biggies we can discuss the small stuff.

Defense is one of the things the federal government is actually MANDATED to do.

As for corporate welfare, most of the time you guys are talking about tax breaks, not direct subsidies.

Where is it "mandated" that the US must rack up massive deficit spending in order to maintain the military?
It's not the maintenance of the military that costs so much it's th fact that we police the world for those other countries who have no military.

It's time for us to let them fend for themselves.

So we can add you to the list of people who want to slash all defense spending by 50%?

Cut out the unconstitutional unmadated crap first, then we can talk.

Please list the "unconstitutional unmadated [sic] crap".
 
So your "solution" is to force employers to pay poor people more money and then take it away in taxes so that a bloated and inefficient government can spend it? :confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84:

Yeah, that will work!:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:
Crap like this just blows my mind. What do you think pays for our military and public school. Granted over spending is a problem but spending itself is pretty fucking basic man. Taxes fund shit.

Since you admit that over spending is a problem then why aren't you here calling on a stop to that? You're like a man with a bucket full of big holes that keeps telling others that you need more water to keep your bucket from being empty. If you don't fix overspending and sheer waste, Billy you're NEVER going to fill that bucket no matter how much water you pour into it!
Why should make that call in this thread? You people whine about enough. It's really the only thing that makes sense that you whine about.

Well with how much you all love defense spending, you better cough up some more dough or face cuts.

Put the entire budget under the microscope. Start cutting everything that is NOT explicitly authorized in the Constitution first. You won't need to cut defense.
Oh right. Let's cut out the FDA. Let's let companies put whatever the hell they want in their food and drugs. While we're at it, we'll let paint companies be careless about how much lead is going in their products.

The FDA does not protect us.

And killing the FDA does not remove the need for product testing.

It would just make it more effective.

Have a day.
 
So your "solution" is to force employers to pay poor people more money and then take it away in taxes so that a bloated and inefficient government can spend it? :confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84::confused-84:

Yeah, that will work!:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:
Crap like this just blows my mind. What do you think pays for our military and public school. Granted over spending is a problem but spending itself is pretty fucking basic man. Taxes fund shit.

Since you admit that over spending is a problem then why aren't you here calling on a stop to that? You're like a man with a bucket full of big holes that keeps telling others that you need more water to keep your bucket from being empty. If you don't fix overspending and sheer waste, Billy you're NEVER going to fill that bucket no matter how much water you pour into it!
Why should make that call in this thread? You people whine about enough. It's really the only thing that makes sense that you whine about.

Well with how much you all love defense spending, you better cough up some more dough or face cuts.

Put the entire budget under the microscope. Start cutting everything that is NOT explicitly authorized in the Constitution first. You won't need to cut defense.
Oh right. Let's cut out the FDA. Let's let companies put whatever the hell they want in their food and drugs. While we're at it, we'll let paint companies be careless about how much lead is going in their products.

Yes, yes, we're all familiar with the hoary old tactic of leaping immediately to the extremes in order to stop the discussion. That doesn't work. I said put the whole budget up for cuts. Of course you're going to prioritize what really is more important than everything else. The point is to eliminate all automatic budget increases and require programs to periodically justify their existence. It simply does not make sense for the Federal budget to grow by 8 or 9% every year when the economy grows by 2 or 3%.
 

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