Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[Cecilie1200]

Shutting down the government, which really won't be shut down anyway, doesn't default on the debt. Neither does refusing to raise the debt ceiling for that matter.

It's lib-speak. If we dont raise the debt ceiling then children will die. Hysteria is all they have.

I've already seen the "grandma is going to be forced to eat cat food" lament.

And by the way, where do these people get the idea that cat food is cheaper than human food?

 

[BDBoop]

He was an extreme conservative. Obama is a centrist.

If Obama was a centrist he wouldn't be splitting the country and only representing the extreme left of the American people.

Don't be ridiculous, Obama is not splitting the country.

The people splitting the country are pretty obvious. They are the ones who are constantly finding fault, and have access to a keyboard.

 

[Lumpy 1]

He was an extreme conservative. Obama is a centrist.

If Obama was a centrist he wouldn't be splitting the country and only representing the extreme left of the American people.

Don't be ridiculous, Obama is not splitting the country.

You do comedy also..cool

 

[Faun]

Right. They were sent to defund Obamacare. Which is what they are doing.

Not true. America had it's chance to repeal ObamaCare last year when the rightwing put up a candidate for president who ran on repealing it.

America chose the candidate who was in favor of keeping ObamaCare over the candidate who was in favor of repealing it.

It's interesting how you leftist twerps believe something is "settled law, and should never, EVER be interfered with" when it's something you like, but when you disagree with it, there are sixty gazillion reasons why it's not settled and completely negotiable.

What's even more interesting is how you think we're all as ignorant and lacking in long-term memory as you are, and will therefore listen to and respect this line of utter, reeking garbage every time it spews from Obama's cockholsters right below your noses.

I don't think that. I think y'all are MORE ignorant than we are. Here's a perfect example. Despite every single poll showing that more people blame Republicans for the government shutdown and despite every single poll showing that more people are against the government shutdown than those who are against ObamaCare -- Republicans still delude themselves that they are winning this fight.

You guys will be up for next years' Darwin Award at the rate you're going.

 

[Faun]

If Obama was a centrist he wouldn't be splitting the country and only representing the extreme left of the American people.

Don't be ridiculous, Obama is not splitting the country.

You do comedy also..cool

Ok, I'll entertain your lunacy ... enumerate where you find Obama is splitting the country ...

 

[Cecilie1200]

Every Poll I'm seeing places the blame on this retarded shutdown on the GOP...and rightfully so. Pushing your own personal agenda through a blackmail threat since you don't have the votes otherwise is truly evil.

Why should Obamacare be funded when the people in the current congress elected by the people don't want to fund it? It shouldn't. That prior congresses can pass programs and force future congresses to fund them unless they get the votes to defund them is what's evil.

Congress should fund the programs that the votes are there to fund. Period. This is on the Democratic party that they are shutting down government to force funding of a program they don't have the votes to fund.

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

1) If Congress was intended to fund everything that's "the law", why does the Constitution give Congress - and more specifically, the House - the power to defund things? Why does our system of government include the necessity of passing funding on a regular basis if everything "should" be automatically funded just because some group of people at some point in time voted for it?

2) If you really believe that Congress is obligated to fully fund everything that's ever been passed, how come you never pitch this same little hissy when the DEMOCRATS play hardball over budget issues? Or did you not know that there have been multiple shutdowns, just in my own lifetime, that were triggered by DEMOCRAT-controlled Houses?

The left is behaving like babies because they won an election and then found out that doesn't give them carte-blanche (look it up) to do whatever the fuck they want, whenever they want, however they want. Awwww. Need a diaper change?

 

[Lumpy 1]

Don't be ridiculous, Obama is not splitting the country.

You do comedy also..cool

Ok, I'll entertain your lunacy ... enumerate where you find Obama is splitting the country ...

You're in such deep deep denial, I figure it's a complete waste of time.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

you don't have to fund a law moron

see checks and balances

The system of checks and balances do not extend to existing laws. No single body of government should have so much power that they get to unilaterally decide which laws should be effectively terminated by defunding them.

In fact, your reference to "checks and balances" is being abrogated by the House in their attempt to defund a law because they don't like it. The reason we have a system of checks and balances is to prevent any one body of government from exercising too much power. Now you're defending one body which is attempting to do just that.

Who the fuck fed you THIS pile of steaming horseshit? You should go find them and smack them for lying to you.

 

[PMZ]

Does the GOP realize that shutting down the Govt. is not going to stop the law they say is so important to stop and so damaging to this country? If they force a shutdown, it will be their own doing.

Do the leftist dimwits understand that the GOP isn't shutting down the gov't, and therefore blithering about what the GOP does or doesn't understand is meaningless?

Judging by this post, I'd say the answer is no.

Carry on blithering. Don't let me interrupt.

They are threatening to shut down the government if we don't let them impose what's best for them on all of us

 

[Cecilie1200]

Who the fuck told you that?.
Each of the two Houses of Congress exists for that very reason.
There is nothing unilateral about that. Not a damned thing.
To write, debate and vote on legislation.
You may believe laws are written in stone. They are not.
Laws can become outdated, obsolete, thought to be unjust or no longer popular.
The process is codified by the balance of having TWO houses of legislation.
This keeps the potential of the tyranny of the majority in check.
You can take your low IQ low information ass back to where ever it was before you decided to open your yapper.
This is no place for you. You are not very good at this.
Why is it that most of the uninformed such as yourself are liberals?

Holy shit!

Here's a civics lesson for you...

Checks and Balances of the Legislative Branch

The Legislative Branch is given the powers to make the laws. It has the following checks over the Executive Branch:
•May override presidential vetoes with a two-thirds vote
•Has the power over the purse strings to actually fund any executive actions
•May remove the president through impeachment
•Senate approves treaties
•Senate approves presidential appointments

The Legislative Branch has the following checks over the Judicial Branch:
•Creates lower courts
•May remove judges through impeachment
•Senate approves appointments of judges

Checks and Balances of the Executive Branch

The Executive Branch is given the power to carry out the laws. It has the following checks over the Legislative Branch:
•Veto power
•Ability to call special sessions of Congress
•Can recommend legislation
•Can appeal to the people concerning legislation and more

The Executive Branch has the following checks over the Judicial Branch:
•President appoints Supreme Court and other federal judges

Checks and Balances of the Judicial Branch

The Judicial Branch is given the power to interpret the laws. It has the following checks over the Executive Branch:
•Judges, once appointed for life, are free from controls from the executive branch
•Courts can judge executive actions to be unconstitutional through the power of judicial review

The Judicial Branch has the following checks over the Legislative Branch:
•Courts can judge legislative acts to be unconstitutional.

Checks and Balances - American System of Checks and Balances​

Hopefully, even you can recognize that description doesn't include bills passed by both chambers of the Congress and signed into law by the president.

It's designed to prevent any one body of government from strong-arming the law. Not to offer a body the opportunity to abolish an existing law they don't like but failed to repeal through the legislative process.

All true. But incomplete.
You clearly stated that the Congress can act unilaterally. That is not true.Nor is it accurate.
The House and Senate are designed to check each other.
Get real. You are reaching now. Your argument is a fail.

But . . . but . . . he found it on the Interwebs! It MUST be true!

 

[Derideo_Te]

Not true. America had it's chance to repeal ObamaCare last year when the rightwing put up a candidate for president who ran on repealing it.

America chose the candidate who was in favor of keeping ObamaCare over the candidate who was in favor of repealing it.

It's interesting how you leftist twerps believe something is "settled law, and should never, EVER be interfered with" when it's something you like, but when you disagree with it, there are sixty gazillion reasons why it's not settled and completely negotiable.

What's even more interesting is how you think we're all as ignorant and lacking in long-term memory as you are, and will therefore listen to and respect this line of utter, reeking garbage every time it spews from Obama's cockholsters right below your noses.

I don't think that. I think y'all are MORE ignorant than we are. Here's a perfect example. Despite every single poll showing that more people blame Republicans for the government shutdown and despite every single poll showing that more people are against the government shutdown than those who are against ObamaCare -- Republicans still delude themselves that they are winning this fight.

You guys will be up for next years' Darwin Award at the rate you're going.

So the Dems are rising in the polls because the Republicans are insisting that the Dems must take the "credit" for shutting down the government. Perhaps if the Republicans stopped being so bashful and admitted that they were the ones who shut down the government they might start rising in the polls again. Might be worth a try because their current strategy is backfiring on them.

What I don't get is that no one on the right thought through the ramifications of this strategy and considered all of the alternatives. They essentially just assumed that Obama and the Dems would cave in to extortion. Sun Tzu would give them an F- for leadership.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The GOP need to get enough votes to repeal ObamaCare.

Until then, they need to fund all laws & programs of the USA.


If they want to change ObamaCare, or have good reasons to delay parts of it, they need to explain that to the Senate and President.

Absent this, they need to fund the whole govt.

You are either an idiot, or a hypocrite. Or both.

I can't decide if you're just really so stupid you don't know that Democrats have done the exact same thing in the past, or if you're just such a partisan piece of shit you think it's okay when THEY do it.

Actually, I've decided. I think it's a mix of both.

 

[PMZ]

OK, I see what you're asking now. That would be primarily because of excess social security payments. Social security is just a tax, there is no trust fund. The balance of the debt, government owes itself.

The trust is invested in US treasuries as are many investments looking for moderate returns with no risk in principle. This is required by law.

Social Security is part of the general fund. Loaning yourself money isn't an asset.

Thank you for playing, but ouch, out in the first round. Here's a board game version of our show to take home. Thanks for playing!

Are you invested in treasuries? If so, you loaned yourself money to pay obligations that you, as a US citizen, have, to pay our soldiers or VA doctors or park rangers or air traffic controlers. However, you expect to be repaid. And, that's among the safest bets there is.

This is not rocket science.

 

[Faun]

Why should Obamacare be funded when the people in the current congress elected by the people don't want to fund it? It shouldn't. That prior congresses can pass programs and force future congresses to fund them unless they get the votes to defund them is what's evil.

Congress should fund the programs that the votes are there to fund. Period. This is on the Democratic party that they are shutting down government to force funding of a program they don't have the votes to fund.

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

1) If Congress was intended to fund everything that's "the law", why does the Constitution give Congress - and more specifically, the House - the power to defund things? Why does our system of government include the necessity of passing funding on a regular basis if everything "should" be automatically funded just because some group of people at some point in time voted for it?

2) If you really believe that Congress is obligated to fully fund everything that's ever been passed, how come you never pitch this same little hissy when the DEMOCRATS play hardball over budget issues? Or did you not know that there have been multiple shutdowns, just in my own lifetime, that were triggered by DEMOCRAT-controlled Houses?

The left is behaving like babies because they won an election and then found out that doesn't give them carte-blanche (look it up) to do whatever the fuck they want, whenever they want, however they want. Awwww. Need a diaper change?

You're just another low information Conservative. The Constitution does not give the House the power to defund laws. It gives them the power to initiate a budget bill. No single body in our government has the power you delude yourself into believing exists. The House does have the power to suggest defunding a law, but actually defunding the law requires the consent of the Senate; and barring a congressional veto override, the consent of the president.

Please take notes so hopefully, you can learn something.

And despite the rest of your diatribe, the Republican party remains adorned with their worst approval rating in history. Democrats' rating is about where it was prior to the GOP temper tantrum. And Obama's rating is up since then.

So please, by all means, keep digging!

 

[PMZ]

I'm not democrat or republican. I blame both parties for this mess. Bush is a "compassionate" conservative when it comes to domestic programs and a war hawk when it comes to international politics. Thus, Bush was not a conservative in either his domestic or his international politics.

He was an extreme conservative. Obama is a centrist.

That too is fucking nuts. Obama is a consummate Liberal.

Only according to the GOP propaganda issued through Fox News. By any objective measure he's a centrist.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Let's make something perfectly clear:

A Continuing Resolution funds all funding from the previous year, and funds all legally passed programs and agencies.

Parts of ObamaCare were set to be funded as of Oct. 1st, as per the ObamaCare law. This law was passed by BOTH Houses of Congress, signed into law by the President, and found Constitutional by the Supreme Court.

That said, the House need to submit a CR to the Senate that funds all existing programs and all legally approved laws, agencies, etc.

Why? And I don't mean waste my time with your "I just discovered five minutes ago that I have a strong belief that this is the way it should be" bullshit. I mean show me anywhere that the law says Congress is obligated to fund everything.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That is merely your opinion...Fine. You may believe what you wish.
But evading the facts does not make your opinion any more valid.
Clearly you do not understand. Obamacare HAS no funding.
It is the only way the law could be intepreted as a tax.

ObamaCare has no funding???

great!! so why is the GOP holding up govt. funding due to ObamaCare?

Because it has none, and they don't want to give it any.

Duuhh.

 

[jasonnfree]

He was an extreme conservative. Obama is a centrist.

That too is fucking nuts. Obama is a consummate Liberal.

Only according to the GOP propaganda issued through Fox News. By any objective measure he's a centrist.

He's a centrist. The opposition can't even make up their minds what he is, socialist, liberal, progressive, marxist, kenyan, muslim. It all means the same thing in their confused minds..

 

[Cecilie1200]

How is enacting a disaster of a law a step in the right direction? It would seem to be a step in the wrong direction.

are you guys gonna pull this crap next year and call the EPA "a disaster of an agency"?

We say that EVERY year. Only a leftist could choose the EPA as an example of an unthinkably sacrosanct, inviolable government department.

You cannot make this level of stupid up, I swear.

 

[Faun]

you don't have to fund a law moron

see checks and balances

The system of checks and balances do not extend to existing laws. No single body of government should have so much power that they get to unilaterally decide which laws should be effectively terminated by defunding them.

In fact, your reference to "checks and balances" is being abrogated by the House in their attempt to defund a law because they don't like it. The reason we have a system of checks and balances is to prevent any one body of government from exercising too much power. Now you're defending one body which is attempting to do just that.

Who the fuck fed you THIS pile of steaming horseshit? You should go find them and smack them for lying to you.

Greaaat ... yet another brain-dead Conservative who doesn't know what the system of checks and balances is.