Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

[Nia88]

A livable wage is a salary that allows to eat and pay rent without government assistance or force to get a second job.

$8.25 doesn't allow for that.

Where's is that in the constitution? Prior to all the self entitled spineless snowflakes people had roommates and shared expenses. Now you are entitled to live on your own? You didn't say where that comes from.

No where in my post did I say living alone. But even with a roommate, rent cannot be paid with $8.25 an hour.

When I first graduated college I had a roommate and my portion was still $1,400 a month. Thankfully I was making more than minimum wage but I couldn't imagine having to having to pay rent with min wage. All I would be able to do is pay rent and maybe a buy a can of baked beans.

Your portion was $1,400 a month? I bought a house for half that. Maybe you should have taken an economics class?

Perhaps where you live, things are cheap. But those of us living in urban areas, thats the norm.

 

[Votto]

Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

In a pair of affluent coastal California counties, the canary in the mineshaft has gotten splayed, spatchcocked and plated over a bed of unintended consequences, garnished with sprigs of locally sourced economic distortion and non-GMO, “What the heck were they thinking?”

The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.

A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Another telltale is San Diego, where voters approved increasing the city’s minimum wage to $11.50 per hour from $10.50, this after the minimum wage was increased from $8 an hour in 2015 – meaning hourly costs have risen 43 percent in two years.

The cost increases have pushed San Diego restaurants to the brink, Stephen Zolezzi, president of the Food and Beverage Association of San Diego County, told the San Diego Business Journal. Watch for the next mass die-off there...

Luckily, I live in the central coast area between L.A. and San Francisco, so this area hasn't gone as extreme left as those parts of California.

The capitalistic restraint owners should all go out of business.

Who do they think they are trying to get rich off feeding people? After all, food is a natural right guaranteed by the General Welfare Clause in the Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe they should not pass the wage increase on to the consumer. Sooner or later these business owners need to take the hit.

They are going out of business, how much more of a hit do they need to take?

That Only happens to lousy capitalists. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages, because he had a plan to achieve gains from efficiency; unlike the right wing.

No stupid, business models vary and Ford's business model then may not work today and in many places it doesn't.

Please learn before you post stupidity.

Only lousy Capitalists, say that, according to Herr Say.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.

You new to our New World economy?

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

You need New World excuses not Old World excuses.

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.

Not the problem, the jobs are out there, but the pay is low and they are part time or seasonal. So you have just admitted that illegal aliens work, good for you, and they pay tax,

Mexicans are not coming here anymore for work. They also hire HB1 visas and lay off 50 year olds, to let the Indians who are young and healthy take their jobs. No one has job security. You give you loyalty to a company for 20 years and they don't want to give you the pay raises or retirement, and you are just too old. Not all companies do this but many.

Not the problem,

All those illegals competing for the same jobs sure isn't the solution for low skilled Americans.

So you have just admitted that illegal aliens work, good for you,

And now they need to go back home and work there.

You new to our New World economy?

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

You need New World excuses not Old World excuses.

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Employment is supposed to be, at-will.

But not forced.
Why should an employer have to hire a useless stoner like you who can't even pass the drug screening?

Because, employment is "forced" if I can't quit on an at-will basis and collect unemployment compensation. Equality, right wingers.

Because, employment is "forced"

Not for over 150 years.

if I can't quit on an at-will basis and collect unemployment compensation.

Boohoo.

Equality, right wingers.

Laziness, left wingers.

That "contract was made under duress".

Duress? You poor girl.

Just a "damsel boy in distress"? Equality, huh.

I prefer to advocate for equal protection and faithful execution of the law, simply for the sake of public morals.

You'll have to explain what that mean employer did to you that fit the legal definition of duress.

So I can laugh at you some more.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

In a pair of affluent coastal California counties, the canary in the mineshaft has gotten splayed, spatchcocked and plated over a bed of unintended consequences, garnished with sprigs of locally sourced economic distortion and non-GMO, “What the heck were they thinking?”

The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.

A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Another telltale is San Diego, where voters approved increasing the city’s minimum wage to $11.50 per hour from $10.50, this after the minimum wage was increased from $8 an hour in 2015 – meaning hourly costs have risen 43 percent in two years.

The cost increases have pushed San Diego restaurants to the brink, Stephen Zolezzi, president of the Food and Beverage Association of San Diego County, told the San Diego Business Journal. Watch for the next mass die-off there...

Luckily, I live in the central coast area between L.A. and San Francisco, so this area hasn't gone as extreme left as those parts of California.

You know you could just get illegal Mexicans to do it, if you want it cheap. Then there'd be lots more food places. But for some reason you have a problem with Mexicans working illegally, but you don't have a problem with Americans working for too little money. Hmmm.

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.

Yes, they would, and then you'd have to pay more too... you see how that works.

The deal here is that Republicans are complaining about low paid workers earning too much, then they'll turn around and demand that Mexicans get kicked out so people earn even more. Does that not confuse you?

Yes, they would, and then you'd have to pay more too... you see how that works.

Glad we agree.
Start the deportations!!!

The deal here is that Republicans are complaining about low paid workers earning too much

Link?

then they'll turn around and demand that Mexicans get kicked out so people earn even more.

Boot the illegals. Today!

Does that not confuse you?

Your confusion doesn't confuse me at all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.

You new to our New World economy?

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

You need New World excuses not Old World excuses.

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.

Not the problem, the jobs are out there, but the pay is low and they are part time or seasonal. So you have just admitted that illegal aliens work, good for you, and they pay tax,

Mexicans are not coming here anymore for work. They also hire HB1 visas and lay off 50 year olds, to let the Indians who are young and healthy take their jobs. No one has job security. You give you loyalty to a company for 20 years and they don't want to give you the pay raises or retirement, and you are just too old. Not all companies do this but many.

Not the problem,

All those illegals competing for the same jobs sure isn't the solution for low skilled Americans.

So you have just admitted that illegal aliens work, good for you,

And now they need to go back home and work there.

Except the US is intent on making sure there aren't any jobs for them there.

Except the US is intent on making sure there aren't any jobs for them there.

The US is supposed to make sure there are jobs for them in their home country?

Damn, that's hilarious!

 

[Ame®icano]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Wartime tax rates for any alleged prosecution of War, right wingers; don't cut social services for the poor.

What minimum wage has to do with the social services for poor?

 

[Ame®icano]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Why zero?

Why not? Every dollar should be earned, not forced by government.

 

[Ame®icano]

Maybe they should not pass the wage increase on to the consumer. Sooner or later these business owners need to take the hit.

They're trying. More and more fast food places are implementing self-service kiosks here in California. I don't blame them either.

I so doubt that this is due to the wage increase, shame on them for paying min wage in the state to begin with. The cost of living is high in San Diego, and that is all they make. There comes a time when the worker just needs to say hell with it when the business owners want to get rich off their backs. I bet they do not even cost share health insurance. Self serve, well we all know waitresses do not make min wage.

Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.

Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.

Are you nutz? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical question.

Are you saying that companies should be forced to hire everyone that shows up at the door and wants a job?

 

[Ame®icano]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Why zero?

The right wing likes for the poor to have to work harder for less, in our first world economy.

Not really, the right wing wants everyone to earn their pay.

 

[Penelope]

Heard in Trumpcare , employers will not be mandated to offer cost share for Health Insurance.

 

[danielpalos]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Wartime tax rates for any alleged prosecution of War, right wingers; don't cut social services for the poor.

What minimum wage has to do with the social services for poor?

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

 

[danielpalos]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Why zero?

Why not? Every dollar should be earned, not forced by government.

In the Age of Corporate Welfare? Just political and right wing, "hate on the poor" under our form of capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe they should not pass the wage increase on to the consumer. Sooner or later these business owners need to take the hit.

They're trying. More and more fast food places are implementing self-service kiosks here in California. I don't blame them either.

I so doubt that this is due to the wage increase, shame on them for paying min wage in the state to begin with. The cost of living is high in San Diego, and that is all they make. There comes a time when the worker just needs to say hell with it when the business owners want to get rich off their backs. I bet they do not even cost share health insurance. Self serve, well we all know waitresses do not make min wage.

Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.

Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.

Are you nutz? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical question.

Are you saying that companies should be forced to hire everyone that shows up at the door and wants a job?

Only in "right to work" States.

 

[danielpalos]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Why zero?

The right wing likes for the poor to have to work harder for less, in our first world economy.

Not really, the right wing wants everyone to earn their pay.

No, they don't. They don't care as long as it involves profit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They're trying. More and more fast food places are implementing self-service kiosks here in California. I don't blame them either.

I so doubt that this is due to the wage increase, shame on them for paying min wage in the state to begin with. The cost of living is high in San Diego, and that is all they make. There comes a time when the worker just needs to say hell with it when the business owners want to get rich off their backs. I bet they do not even cost share health insurance. Self serve, well we all know waitresses do not make min wage.

Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.

Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.

Are you nutz? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical question.

Are you saying that companies should be forced to hire everyone that shows up at the door and wants a job?

Only in "right to work" States.

You have a right to work, not a right to a job.

 

[Ame®icano]

They're trying. More and more fast food places are implementing self-service kiosks here in California. I don't blame them either.

I so doubt that this is due to the wage increase, shame on them for paying min wage in the state to begin with. The cost of living is high in San Diego, and that is all they make. There comes a time when the worker just needs to say hell with it when the business owners want to get rich off their backs. I bet they do not even cost share health insurance. Self serve, well we all know waitresses do not make min wage.

Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.

Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.

Are you nutz? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical question.

Are you saying that companies should be forced to hire everyone that shows up at the door and wants a job?

Only in "right to work" States.

You do know what that "right to work" means, do ya?

 

[Ame®icano]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

Why zero?

The right wing likes for the poor to have to work harder for less, in our first world economy.

Not really, the right wing wants everyone to earn their pay.

No, they don't. They don't care as long as it involves profit.

You still have to earn it.

 

[hadit]

Just goes to show that the minimum wage increase needs to be on a national scale.

Yep, and needs to be set to zero.

The Pubs are working on it.

I'm glad no one is doing that. That would be scary.