Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

Forcing firms to hire moron slackers like you is the best way to harm the economy.
Only lousy capitalists, say that.

Economics....lib morons just don't get it.

Yes, liberals forget that everything is really simple, so simple that retards can understand it. Liberals are fucking stupid because they think economics is COMPLEX, bahhh, what a bunch of fools they are.

Yes, liberals forget that everything is really simple,

That liberal moron you're defending thinks businesses should hire everyone who applies.
He also thinks he should get UE benefits if he quits or never works.

He makes the average lib moron look like a genius.

So, that's reason to then basically tar everyone on one side of a spectrum... because you don't agree with one person?

So, that's reason to then basically tar everyone on one side of a spectrum...

Only because basically every liberal is an idiot when it comes to economics.
Daniel would need to double his IQ to rise to the level of idiot.
 
Restaurants rarely go out of business because of price. If the food is good, people will go there to eat. Restaurants fail all the time. Price of food is at the very bottom of the list of reasons of failure.

Asking business owners to pay people a livable wage isn't unreasonable. If a business owner cannot afford to pay people a livable wage, then perhaps they shouldn't be running a business.

Yeah, sole reason that business exists is to support people needs.

"Livable wage"... LOL.

I need around $150K annually. Are you ready to pay that up?

A livable wage is a salary that allows to eat and pay rent without government assistance or force to get a second job.

$8.25 doesn't allow for that.

I agree, it doesn't allow if you eat steaks or baby back ribs every day.

If you want to eat that anyways, you need be able to get career job that pays more.

Anyways, what's wrong with getting a second job?
Not always convenient.

Neither is having kids that you have to feed and clothe, but we do it anyways.
ok. some people advocate for equal protection of the law. money is not every thing.
 
Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

In a pair of affluent coastal California counties, the canary in the mineshaft has gotten splayed, spatchcocked and plated over a bed of unintended consequences, garnished with sprigs of locally sourced economic distortion and non-GMO, “What the heck were they thinking?”

The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.

A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Another telltale is San Diego, where voters approved increasing the city’s minimum wage to $11.50 per hour from $10.50, this after the minimum wage was increased from $8 an hour in 2015 – meaning hourly costs have risen 43 percent in two years.

The cost increases have pushed San Diego restaurants to the brink, Stephen Zolezzi, president of the Food and Beverage Association of San Diego County, told the San Diego Business Journal. Watch for the next mass die-off there...

Luckily, I live in the central coast area between L.A. and San Francisco, so this area hasn't gone as extreme left as those parts of California.

You know you could just get illegal Mexicans to do it, if you want it cheap. Then there'd be lots more food places. But for some reason you have a problem with Mexicans working illegally, but you don't have a problem with Americans working for too little money. Hmmm.

Boot 10 million illegal aliens, low skill Americans would earn more.
You new to our New World economy?

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

You need New World excuses not Old World excuses.

5.8 million job openings.

Why do we have so many on unemployment, welfare and food stamps?
The number on unemployment compensation is the lowest it has been since the 1970's. Most of the people on welfare and food stamps are working in crappy jobs that don't pay enough to feed a family. There is no shortage of jobs. We have plenty of crappy jobs. We just need jobs that pay s decent wage.
You new to our New World economy?

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

You need New World excuses not Old World excuses.
 
Yes, I do; it is the right wing that Only has, "fantasy legislation".

You got no clue what "right to work" means.
Yes, I do. It is Congress that needs laws regarding, Truth in Legislative Advertising.

It doesn't mean what you think it means.
I know what, right to work, means; I also know, that is not what the legislative intent means.

By reading your gems, one after another, I don't think you do.

"Right to Work" means something. Legislation does not necessarily mean the same as those terms. Do we need, "Truth in legislative advertising" laws?
 
Maybe they should not pass the wage increase on to the consumer. Sooner or later these business owners need to take the hit.

They are going out of business, how much more of a hit do they need to take?
That Only happens to lousy capitalists. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages, because he had a plan to achieve gains from efficiency; unlike the right wing.

No stupid, business models vary and Ford's business model then may not work today and in many places it doesn't.

Please learn before you post stupidity.
Only lousy Capitalists, say that, according to Herr Say.

No only stupid idiots like yourself post stupid nonsense that can't possibly fit every business model. You notice I don't accuse you of being left or right wing. Calling you either is an insult to the left or the right. Let me know when you have ran a successful business and get back to me on your silly comment.
Herr Say, says you don't know what you are talking about because you are full of fallacy.
 
Why claim it is a, "right to work" State and not a "right to employ" State?

Why try to understand your idiocy? Lost cause.
Only lousy capitalists makes excuses instead of try to understand the potential Contract.

Forcing firms to hire moron slackers like you is the best way to harm the economy.
Only lousy capitalists, say that.

Economics....lib morons just don't get it.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages; only the right complains about a lack of capital opportunities; but blame the poor.
 
They're trying. More and more fast food places are implementing self-service kiosks here in California. I don't blame them either.

I so doubt that this is due to the wage increase, shame on them for paying min wage in the state to begin with. The cost of living is high in San Diego, and that is all they make. There comes a time when the worker just needs to say hell with it when the business owners want to get rich off their backs. I bet they do not even cost share health insurance. Self serve, well we all know waitresses do not make min wage.

Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.
Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Have you tried?

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.
Because that would be nonsense.
Equal protection of the law, and National Thong Day, right wingers!
Nonsense.
 
So, that mean there isn't a problem with minimum wage then?

Link? You want a link to a thread where people are complaining about the minimum wage? Go look at the OP.

I asked you whether it's not confusing that Republicans want their cake and want to eat it, you deflected. maybe you can try again.

There is a problem with minimum wage.

It totally disadvantages poor people. Raising it will drive automation in the lowest sectors of our economy thus making less jobs for illegals. But also, make hiring illegals more profitable, which is different issue. Minimum wage accomplishes absolutely nothing except accelerating inflation.

That's why it needs to be abolished completely. Let market drive the price of labor and workers negotiate their pay with employer.
You new to our New World economy?

America has near record 5.8 million job openings

You need New World excuses not Old World excuses.
 
Not the problem, the jobs are out there, but the pay is low and they are part time or seasonal. So you have just admitted that illegal aliens work, good for you, and they pay tax,

Mexicans are not coming here anymore for work. They also hire HB1 visas and lay off 50 year olds, to let the Indians who are young and healthy take their jobs. No one has job security. You give you loyalty to a company for 20 years and they don't want to give you the pay raises or retirement, and you are just too old. Not all companies do this but many.

Not the problem,

All those illegals competing for the same jobs sure isn't the solution for low skilled Americans.

So you have just admitted that illegal aliens work, good for you,

And now they need to go back home and work there.

Except the US is intent on making sure there aren't any jobs for them there.

Except the US is intent on making sure there aren't any jobs for them there.

The US is supposed to make sure there are jobs for them in their home country?

Damn, that's hilarious!

Let's try explaining this in a way you should be able to grasp.

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? Post WW2 and many countries were in serious need of rebuilding. The US helped certain allies to rebuild, like Japan, who had been an enemy, and the Japanese came strongly to the forefront of the Cold War in the Pacific. West Germany was also very strong along with France, they were staunch allies in the Cold War. They benefited the US greatly, it was money well spent for the US.

At the end of the Cold War the US again helped countries that had formerly been their enemies. Many Warsaw Pact countries, but not Russia. America still feared the power of Russia. So, during the 1990s while many Warsaw Pact countries were doing well, Russia wasn't. So Russia then went and elected Putin who has been a thorn in the side of America ever since. Had the US helped Russia, showed the Russians that democracy can work, then maybe someone like Putin wouldn't have found it easy to come to the fore in politics. But it didn't work like that.

For Mexico there seem to be a few problems, crime and drugs, and illegal workers. Neither of these are a problem for the US-Canadian border. There's no call for a wall on the US-Canadian border.

Canada has a GDP of $46,000 per capita, Mexico has $19,000 per capita.

The border is going to cost Americans billions of dollars all because of this. If Mexico has jobs, and Mexico increases its GDP then it's more able to fight the drugs and the crime, saving the US money, and the border will be less crossed, saving the US money.

Got it?

What a load of crap.

How many jobs left US for Mexico since NAFTA and how much that really help them?

Mexico GDP before NAFTA was cca $8000 per capita and today is around $9500 per capita. LINK
Counting inflation, nothing has changed. Except, we're hurting, since nice chunk of our production moved south.

By the way, some of the former Warshaw Pact countries are doing much better, not because of "our money" but because they got rid of communism, take Poland, Slovakia, Hungary. The others, with the same communist mindset as during the Pact, are still shitholes, take Romania, Bulgaria, Albania. They're doing bit better, only due to the charity money from EU.
Mexico is our third largest trading partner; but the right wing prefers to blame poor Mexicans for expatriating money, instead of the rich, who do it for tax evasion.
 
I so doubt that this is due to the wage increase, shame on them for paying min wage in the state to begin with. The cost of living is high in San Diego, and that is all they make. There comes a time when the worker just needs to say hell with it when the business owners want to get rich off their backs. I bet they do not even cost share health insurance. Self serve, well we all know waitresses do not make min wage.

Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.
Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Have you tried?

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.
Because that would be nonsense.
Equal protection of the law, and National Thong Day, right wingers!
Nonsense.
It is all you have. The left is working on, fullsense.
 
Except the US is intent on making sure there aren't any jobs for them there.

Except the US is intent on making sure there aren't any jobs for them there.

The US is supposed to make sure there are jobs for them in their home country?

Damn, that's hilarious!

Let's try explaining this in a way you should be able to grasp.

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? Post WW2 and many countries were in serious need of rebuilding. The US helped certain allies to rebuild, like Japan, who had been an enemy, and the Japanese came strongly to the forefront of the Cold War in the Pacific. West Germany was also very strong along with France, they were staunch allies in the Cold War. They benefited the US greatly, it was money well spent for the US.

At the end of the Cold War the US again helped countries that had formerly been their enemies. Many Warsaw Pact countries, but not Russia. America still feared the power of Russia. So, during the 1990s while many Warsaw Pact countries were doing well, Russia wasn't. So Russia then went and elected Putin who has been a thorn in the side of America ever since. Had the US helped Russia, showed the Russians that democracy can work, then maybe someone like Putin wouldn't have found it easy to come to the fore in politics. But it didn't work like that.

For Mexico there seem to be a few problems, crime and drugs, and illegal workers. Neither of these are a problem for the US-Canadian border. There's no call for a wall on the US-Canadian border.

Canada has a GDP of $46,000 per capita, Mexico has $19,000 per capita.

The border is going to cost Americans billions of dollars all because of this. If Mexico has jobs, and Mexico increases its GDP then it's more able to fight the drugs and the crime, saving the US money, and the border will be less crossed, saving the US money.

Got it?

The border is going to cost Americans billions of dollars all because of this. If Mexico has jobs, and Mexico increases its GDP then it's more able to fight the drugs and the crime, saving the US money, and the border will be less crossed, saving the US money.

Considering how awesome liberals say all these illegal aliens are, you know....hard workers, starting up small businesses, etc, I figure if we deport 10-12 million back to Mexico, they'll fix up their homeland in no time.
They can even vote out their corrupt officials if they'd like.
Sound good?

No, it sounds like you're not using your brain.

No, it sounds like you're not using your brain.

Illegal aliens aren't awesome, supercool hard workers who make everything better?
We ran out of dwarfs and elves.

The economy of the United States is the world's largest national economy in nominal terms and second largest according to purchasing power parity (PPP), representing 22% of nominal global GDP and 17% of gross world product (GWP).-From wikipedia
 
Why worker doesn't do it? It's not like worker is held on gun point and forced to work.
Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Have you tried?

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.
Because that would be nonsense.
Equal protection of the law, and National Thong Day, right wingers!
Nonsense.
It is all you have. The left is working on, fullsense.
Keep working on it, because you're not doing a great job yet. Put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
 
Forcing firms to hire moron slackers like you is the best way to harm the economy.
Only lousy capitalists, say that.

Economics....lib morons just don't get it.

Yes, liberals forget that everything is really simple, so simple that retards can understand it. Liberals are fucking stupid because they think economics is COMPLEX, bahhh, what a bunch of fools they are.

Yes, liberals forget that everything is really simple,

That liberal moron you're defending thinks businesses should hire everyone who applies.
He also thinks he should get UE benefits if he quits or never works.

He makes the average lib moron look like a genius.

So, that's reason to then basically tar everyone on one side of a spectrum... because you don't agree with one person?
Nothing but repeal, is all they have.
 
Try to quit and collect unemployment in any at-will employment State in our Union.

Have you tried?

Why not jail employers who don't hire everybody that applies, in right to work States.
Because that would be nonsense.
Equal protection of the law, and National Thong Day, right wingers!
Nonsense.
It is all you have. The left is working on, fullsense.
Keep working on it, because you're not doing a great job yet. Put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
Fallacy is all the right wing has; it is not very difficult to compete; no wonder y'all think I am a lousy socialist.
 
Have you tried?

Because that would be nonsense.
Equal protection of the law, and National Thong Day, right wingers!
Nonsense.
It is all you have. The left is working on, fullsense.
Keep working on it, because you're not doing a great job yet. Put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
Fallacy is all the right wing has; it is not very difficult to compete; no wonder y'all think I am a lousy socialist.
Oh, no, you're a great socialist, just not good at communicating coherent thoughts. Like I've advised you multiple times, put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
 
Equal protection of the law, and National Thong Day, right wingers!
Nonsense.
It is all you have. The left is working on, fullsense.
Keep working on it, because you're not doing a great job yet. Put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
Fallacy is all the right wing has; it is not very difficult to compete; no wonder y'all think I am a lousy socialist.
Oh, no, you're a great socialist, just not good at communicating coherent thoughts. Like I've advised you multiple times, put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
y'all having nothing but fallacy, used to annoy me. Now, I know that means I am "winning".
 
You got no clue what "right to work" means.
Yes, I do. It is Congress that needs laws regarding, Truth in Legislative Advertising.

It doesn't mean what you think it means.
I know what, right to work, means; I also know, that is not what the legislative intent means.

By reading your gems, one after another, I don't think you do.

"Right to Work" means something. Legislation does not necessarily mean the same as those terms. Do we need, "Truth in legislative advertising" laws?

"Right to Work" means something.

Explain what it means.
Include links to relevant laws/regulations.
Thanks!
 
Why try to understand your idiocy? Lost cause.
Only lousy capitalists makes excuses instead of try to understand the potential Contract.

Forcing firms to hire moron slackers like you is the best way to harm the economy.
Only lousy capitalists, say that.

Economics....lib morons just don't get it.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages; only the right complains about a lack of capital opportunities; but blame the poor.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages

Why?
 
Nonsense.
It is all you have. The left is working on, fullsense.
Keep working on it, because you're not doing a great job yet. Put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
Fallacy is all the right wing has; it is not very difficult to compete; no wonder y'all think I am a lousy socialist.
Oh, no, you're a great socialist, just not good at communicating coherent thoughts. Like I've advised you multiple times, put the bong down, get out of your mom's basement, and get a job.
y'all having nothing but fallacy, used to annoy me. Now, I know that means I am "winning".
That might be valid if I were posting fallacies. I am not. You are terrible at communicating coherent thoughts, at least in English.
 
They are going out of business, how much more of a hit do they need to take?
That Only happens to lousy capitalists. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages, because he had a plan to achieve gains from efficiency; unlike the right wing.

No stupid, business models vary and Ford's business model then may not work today and in many places it doesn't.

Please learn before you post stupidity.
Only lousy Capitalists, say that, according to Herr Say.

No only stupid idiots like yourself post stupid nonsense that can't possibly fit every business model. You notice I don't accuse you of being left or right wing. Calling you either is an insult to the left or the right. Let me know when you have ran a successful business and get back to me on your silly comment.
Herr Say, says you don't know what you are talking about because you are full of fallacy.

Again, please apply your "Ford" theory to the fast food industry and tell be how that will work. Remembering that Ford needed specialized workers and training. Then explain why you don't own a business that practices what you preach.
 

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