Reuters: Trump up 13 points on Palin endorsement.

[Dovahkiin]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Not true. That's a silly way to think, it's childish to be honest.
Here is a good read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/paul-krugman-debt-is-good-for-the-economy.html\

One answer is that issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future, and a very bad time for what has actually happened: an unprecedented decline in public construction spending adjusted for population growth and inflation.
Beyond that, those very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want. I’ve already mentioned that having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash.
In other words, the great debt panic that warped the U.S. political scene from 2010 to 2012, and still dominates economic discussion in Britain and the eurozone, was even more wrongheaded than those of us in the anti-austerity camp realized.
Not only were governments that listened to the fiscal scolds kicking the economy when it was down, prolonging the slump; not only were they slashing public investment at the very moment bond investors were practically pleading with them to spend more; they may have been setting us up for future crises.
And the ironic thing is that these foolish policies, and all the human suffering they created, were sold with appeals to prudence and fiscal responsibility.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Loudmouth insulting? Err.. I haven't been on this forum long, but virtually every right wing poster I've run into is a partisan hack that spews some of the most vile garbage I've seen.

They are usually responding to a liberal idiot.

Really now? Want me to gather names? They're not hard to find.

 

[Boss]

Yeah. Nobody likes belligerent loudmouth insulting and denigrating. So... vote Trump.

Just saying... IF that's what this election comes down to.... Trump is going to beat your fucking brains out. He is The Master when it comes to doing this effectively... you don't have a prayer of a chance.

Yeah, because trump is definitely going to get the vote of educated whites and a majority of minorities..

Again... IF the Democrats continue to run on vitriolic hate-filled rants and blame Bush for all things wrong in the world.... Trump is going to clean your clocks. Trump is a very smart man with some very good ideas. But his ace in the hole is being able to effectively deal with loud mouth morons. You have NO chance of beating him in a schoolyard game of insults and denigration. He's going to get votes from people you didn't even know existed.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Yeah. Nobody likes belligerent loudmouth insulting and denigrating. So... vote Trump.

Just saying... IF that's what this election comes down to.... Trump is going to beat your fucking brains out. He is The Master when it comes to doing this effectively... you don't have a prayer of a chance.

Yeah, because trump is definitely going to get the vote of educated whites and a majority of minorities..

Again... IF the Democrats continue to run on vitriolic hate-filled rants and blame Bush for all things wrong in the world.... Trump is going to clean your clocks. Trump is a very smart man with some very good ideas. But his ace in the hole is being able to effectively deal with loud mouth morons. You have NO chance of beating him in a schoolyard game of insults and denigration. He's going to get votes from people you didn't even know existed.

What a silly rant. What "hate filled rants" are coming from the dems? (People on this forum don't count.. and no one is "blaming" bush, you can't just ignore the fact that obama took over during a horrible recession, along with pathetic job growth during the bush years, etc, etc..)

 

[Boss]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Not true. That's a silly way to think, it's childish to be honest.
Here is a good read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/paul-krugman-debt-is-good-for-the-economy.html\

One answer is that issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future, and a very bad time for what has actually happened: an unprecedented decline in public construction spending adjusted for population growth and inflation.
Beyond that, those very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want. I’ve already mentioned that having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash.
In other words, the great debt panic that warped the U.S. political scene from 2010 to 2012, and still dominates economic discussion in Britain and the eurozone, was even more wrongheaded than those of us in the anti-austerity camp realized.
Not only were governments that listened to the fiscal scolds kicking the economy when it was down, prolonging the slump; not only were they slashing public investment at the very moment bond investors were practically pleading with them to spend more; they may have been setting us up for future crises.
And the ironic thing is that these foolish policies, and all the human suffering they created, were sold with appeals to prudence and fiscal responsibility.

Paul Krugman is an idiot.

 

[Boss]

Yeah. Nobody likes belligerent loudmouth insulting and denigrating. So... vote Trump.

Just saying... IF that's what this election comes down to.... Trump is going to beat your fucking brains out. He is The Master when it comes to doing this effectively... you don't have a prayer of a chance.

Yeah, because trump is definitely going to get the vote of educated whites and a majority of minorities..

Again... IF the Democrats continue to run on vitriolic hate-filled rants and blame Bush for all things wrong in the world.... Trump is going to clean your clocks. Trump is a very smart man with some very good ideas. But his ace in the hole is being able to effectively deal with loud mouth morons. You have NO chance of beating him in a schoolyard game of insults and denigration. He's going to get votes from people you didn't even know existed.

What a silly rant. What "hate filled rants" are coming from the dems? (People on this forum don't count.. and no one is "blaming" bush, you can't just ignore the fact that obama took over during a horrible recession, along with pathetic job growth during the bush years, etc, etc..)

Obama was elected because he claimed he could fix those things and he's made them worse. He's had 8 years, part of that with majorities in both houses of Congress. All he has to show for it is a fraudulent health care program he rammed down our throats which makes the insurance companies richer and raises everyone's health care premiums.

He has done nothing to help private enterprise grow, the jobs he claims he has created are temp jobs, part time jobs and shit jobs that no one wants. Our foreign policy is a disaster. You can fluff him all you want, his record will speak for itself. But this election isn't about Obama's record.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Not true. That's a silly way to think, it's childish to be honest.
Here is a good read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/paul-krugman-debt-is-good-for-the-economy.html\

One answer is that issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future, and a very bad time for what has actually happened: an unprecedented decline in public construction spending adjusted for population growth and inflation.
Beyond that, those very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want. I’ve already mentioned that having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash.
In other words, the great debt panic that warped the U.S. political scene from 2010 to 2012, and still dominates economic discussion in Britain and the eurozone, was even more wrongheaded than those of us in the anti-austerity camp realized.
Not only were governments that listened to the fiscal scolds kicking the economy when it was down, prolonging the slump; not only were they slashing public investment at the very moment bond investors were practically pleading with them to spend more; they may have been setting us up for future crises.
And the ironic thing is that these foolish policies, and all the human suffering they created, were sold with appeals to prudence and fiscal responsibility.

Paul Krugman is an idiot.

Yeah, that's a great refutation.. Call a well known economist an idiot.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Yeah. Nobody likes belligerent loudmouth insulting and denigrating. So... vote Trump.

Just saying... IF that's what this election comes down to.... Trump is going to beat your fucking brains out. He is The Master when it comes to doing this effectively... you don't have a prayer of a chance.

Yeah, because trump is definitely going to get the vote of educated whites and a majority of minorities..

Again... IF the Democrats continue to run on vitriolic hate-filled rants and blame Bush for all things wrong in the world.... Trump is going to clean your clocks. Trump is a very smart man with some very good ideas. But his ace in the hole is being able to effectively deal with loud mouth morons. You have NO chance of beating him in a schoolyard game of insults and denigration. He's going to get votes from people you didn't even know existed.

What a silly rant. What "hate filled rants" are coming from the dems? (People on this forum don't count.. and no one is "blaming" bush, you can't just ignore the fact that obama took over during a horrible recession, along with pathetic job growth during the bush years, etc, etc..)

Obama was elected because he claimed he could fix those things and he's made them worse. He's had 8 years, part of that with majorities in both houses of Congress. All he has to show for it is a fraudulent health care program he rammed down our throats which makes the insurance companies richer and raises everyone's health care premiums.

He has done nothing to help private enterprise grow, the jobs he claims he has created are temp jobs, part time jobs and shit jobs that no one wants. Our foreign policy is a disaster. You can fluff him all you want, his record will speak for itself. But this election isn't about Obama's record.

Worse according to who? You?

He has done nothing to help private enterprise grow

You're a partisan hack.
Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing
This is from forbes.
U.S. added 292,000 jobs in December; unemployment rate steady at 5 percent

The U.S. economy finished the year with a red-hot hiring spree, adding 292,000 new jobs as the unemployment rate held steady at 5 percent, according to new government data released Friday morning.
The latest jobs report exceeded the expectations of economists and investors and provided a reassuring note about the resiliency of the labor market, even amid volatile oil prices, a major slowdown in China and modest overall growth at home.
In all, the nation added 2.65 million jobs in 2015, the second-best year for hiring since 1999 and one that improved markedly in the last quarter. The economy added an average of 284,000 new monthly positions between October and December; in the first three-quarters of the year, the monthly pace was 200,000. Wage growth remains tepid, but the unemployment rate stands at its lowest point in more than seven years.

 

[Boss]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Not true. That's a silly way to think, it's childish to be honest.
Here is a good read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/paul-krugman-debt-is-good-for-the-economy.html\

One answer is that issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future, and a very bad time for what has actually happened: an unprecedented decline in public construction spending adjusted for population growth and inflation.
Beyond that, those very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want. I’ve already mentioned that having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash.
In other words, the great debt panic that warped the U.S. political scene from 2010 to 2012, and still dominates economic discussion in Britain and the eurozone, was even more wrongheaded than those of us in the anti-austerity camp realized.
Not only were governments that listened to the fiscal scolds kicking the economy when it was down, prolonging the slump; not only were they slashing public investment at the very moment bond investors were practically pleading with them to spend more; they may have been setting us up for future crises.
And the ironic thing is that these foolish policies, and all the human suffering they created, were sold with appeals to prudence and fiscal responsibility.

Paul Krugman is an idiot.

Yeah, that's a great refutation.. Call a well known economist an idiot.

Well sorry, lot of well known people are idiots. Krugman is a left-wing hack idiot who manipulates details to prop up failed Keynesian policies that have never worked. Even in the op-ed you posted... he makes the claim that "debt is good for the economy" and explains all the wonderful and glorious things it does, only to have to explain why our $19 trillion debt didn't result in all those wonderful things.

 

[Boss]

Just saying... IF that's what this election comes down to.... Trump is going to beat your fucking brains out. He is The Master when it comes to doing this effectively... you don't have a prayer of a chance.

Yeah, because trump is definitely going to get the vote of educated whites and a majority of minorities..

Again... IF the Democrats continue to run on vitriolic hate-filled rants and blame Bush for all things wrong in the world.... Trump is going to clean your clocks. Trump is a very smart man with some very good ideas. But his ace in the hole is being able to effectively deal with loud mouth morons. You have NO chance of beating him in a schoolyard game of insults and denigration. He's going to get votes from people you didn't even know existed.

What a silly rant. What "hate filled rants" are coming from the dems? (People on this forum don't count.. and no one is "blaming" bush, you can't just ignore the fact that obama took over during a horrible recession, along with pathetic job growth during the bush years, etc, etc..)

Obama was elected because he claimed he could fix those things and he's made them worse. He's had 8 years, part of that with majorities in both houses of Congress. All he has to show for it is a fraudulent health care program he rammed down our throats which makes the insurance companies richer and raises everyone's health care premiums.

He has done nothing to help private enterprise grow, the jobs he claims he has created are temp jobs, part time jobs and shit jobs that no one wants. Our foreign policy is a disaster. You can fluff him all you want, his record will speak for itself. But this election isn't about Obama's record.

Worse according to who? You?

He has done nothing to help private enterprise grow

You're a partisan hack.
Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing
This is from forbes.
U.S. added 292,000 jobs in December; unemployment rate steady at 5 percent

The U.S. economy finished the year with a red-hot hiring spree, adding 292,000 new jobs as the unemployment rate held steady at 5 percent, according to new government data released Friday morning.
The latest jobs report exceeded the expectations of economists and investors and provided a reassuring note about the resiliency of the labor market, even amid volatile oil prices, a major slowdown in China and modest overall growth at home.
In all, the nation added 2.65 million jobs in 2015, the second-best year for hiring since 1999 and one that improved markedly in the last quarter. The economy added an average of 284,000 new monthly positions between October and December; in the first three-quarters of the year, the monthly pace was 200,000. Wage growth remains tepid, but the unemployment rate stands at its lowest point in more than seven years.

Forbes is owned by billionaire liberals. All they do is pump out liberal propaganda. A sustained 5% unemployment rate is NOT GOOD. I'm sorry... it doesn't count the millions of people who are no longer eligible for benefits because their benefits ran out.

 

[jillian]

I'd like to hear about these policies for which the Donald plans to help the economy. He thought our GPD was below zero, remember? He also claimed that China is taking advantage of American through the Trans-Pacific Partnership, however China isn't even a part of that. The man is a moron, and anyone who plans to vote for him is a moron.

Post the links and we'll discuss.
I the meanwhile, check out Senate Bill S744 and House Bill HR633...and tell me how wonderful our Representatives on the both sides of the aisle are..

the immigration bill?

why?

It raises Business Visas to at least 160,000 times 10 professions.
That's a minimal of 1,600,000 Business Visas a year.

And how does that effect you?

Corporations off-shoring jobs so they can pay du distance wages is a far larger problem

Bringing in 160,000 Accountants and 160,000 Attorneys and 160,000 Physicians and 160,000 Mechanical Engineers and 160,000 Electrical Engineers and 160,000 x 5 other White Collar Business Visas won't have an adverse effect on our economy?
It will devastate over 1,000,000 careers a year.

I don't believe that is where our economic problems are. Our problems with jobs leaving so corporations don't have to pay properly is far more significant.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Lucky for you that you pay cash for your vehicles and cash for your home.

 

[Toro]

Forbes is owned by billionaire liberals. All they do is pump out liberal propaganda. A sustained 5% unemployment rate is NOT GOOD. I'm sorry... it doesn't count the millions of people who are no longer eligible for benefits because their benefits ran out.

Steve Forbes is a liberal?

C'mon. Be serious.

 

[Boss]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Lucky for you that you pay cash for your vehicles and cash for your home.

As a matter of fact, I do pay cash for my cars and my home is paid for. I did not say that credit is bad thing. Debt is bad. Accumulating debt is bad. When you are spending more than you're taking in, it's bad. If you are taking in more than you spend, debt is being reduced and that is good. Trying to spin debt into a good thing is stupid and moronic.

 

[Boss]

Forbes is owned by billionaire liberals. All they do is pump out liberal propaganda. A sustained 5% unemployment rate is NOT GOOD. I'm sorry... it doesn't count the millions of people who are no longer eligible for benefits because their benefits ran out.

Steve Forbes is a liberal?

C'mon. Be serious.

Steve Forbes does not own Forbes publishing. He sold a majority of the company to a Hong Kong investment group in 2012.

 

[Toro]

Forbes is owned by billionaire liberals. All they do is pump out liberal propaganda. A sustained 5% unemployment rate is NOT GOOD. I'm sorry... it doesn't count the millions of people who are no longer eligible for benefits because their benefits ran out.

Steve Forbes is a liberal?

C'mon. Be serious.

Steve Forbes does not own Forbes publishing. He sold a majority of the company to a Hong Kong investment group in 2012.

Thanks for that.

What makes you think that Integrated Whale Media Investments are liberals? Did their editorial content change?

I work in the investment business with private investors like that, and we have never, ever had any discussions regarding ideology. The only thing we care about is making money. If anyone with whom we invested were wasting our money on driving an ideology, we'd fire them in a heartbeat. So I'm not sure why anyone would think that these investors would change the content of a magazine that has been so successful for so long.

 

[Toro]

Assuming debt is always bad.

Debt is always bad.

Lucky for you that you pay cash for your vehicles and cash for your home.

As a matter of fact, I do pay cash for my cars and my home is paid for. I did not say that credit is bad thing. Debt is bad. Accumulating debt is bad. When you are spending more than you're taking in, it's bad. If you are taking in more than you spend, debt is being reduced and that is good. Trying to spin debt into a good thing is stupid and moronic.

Credit and debt are effectively the same thing. When a financial institution extends you credit, you are going into debt.

Accumulating debt isn't always a bad thing either. People should accumulate debt when they are adding to their capital - housing, cars, education, starting a business - or using it to bridge gaps in income - i.e. are unemployed until their next job. People do this, companies do this, and governments do this.

There certainly are bad forms of debt. Going into to debt and blowing it all on useless things or on bad investments isn't good, and should be avoided.

 

[JoeB131]

It wouldn't matter if we nominated Stephen Hawking, you'd still think we're idiots.

Well, maybe if you stopped saying idiotic things like "Supply side works" and "The 1% deserve to have most of the wealth", we wouldn't think you are idiots.

So you guys are about to nominate a Reality TV Rodeo Clown, and you wonder why peple are laughing at you.

 

[Boss]

Credit and debt are effectively the same thing.

No, credit and debt are NOT the same thing.

 

[Mac1958]

If Trump gets the nomination, wouldn't that mean we'd see a lot more of Palin?

And do conservatives here think that would be a good thing?
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