Revisionist history focusing on 1/6 is getting louder.

[Billiejeens]

So as Speaker of the House, she held no additional authority from any other house member?

She was the designated drunk.

 

[Marener]

So you're calling him a liar and the testimony he gave lies?

I would certainly take his testimony with a grain of salt. People have a way of spinning the truth to defend themselves.

Everyone involved in the security of the Capitol is pointing fingers at everyone else. I don’t know exactly who to believe.

 

[Faun]

Ok, let's walk through this. Let's say YOU'RE that cop. A mob of 100 or more rush you. You unload your service weapon and take out maybe a dozen or so. What happens to you after you discharge your last bullet; assuming someone hasn't already wrestled your own gun from you or shot you with theirs?

Start shooting, dumb ass

<crickets>

 

[OldFlame]

Not even in dispute in the real world.
NBC's Lester Holt reported on it.
Yes, Cult approved NBC.

That's why it's truly a waste of time even going back and forth with these idiots.

The desperately want to say that Pelosi/McConnell had nothing to do with NG troops being delayed, they will turn themselves into pretzels to obfuscate and go down every rabbit hole. The facts don't align with their opinions, and nothing you show to them or tell them will convince them otherwise. It's just a complete waste of time.

 

[OldFlame]

I would certainly take his testimony with a grain of salt. People have a way of spinning the truth to defend themselves.

Everyone involved in the security of the Capitol is pointing fingers at everyone else. I don’t know exactly who to believe.

So you're calling him a liar and you don't believe anything he has to say. The person who was in charge of security of the Capitol Building on 1/6/21 is not to be believed. There's no helping you in that case, you're more of an expert on it than he is, and no one will convince you otherwise. You're a fool, one of the biggest I've ever come across, and a waste of time to even try to talk to.

 

[Marener]

Not even in dispute in the real world.
NBC's Lester Holt reported on it.
Yes, Cult approved NBC.

I don’t see anyone disputing it. The FBI screwed up. They didn’t see Trump supporters as the violent lawless thugs they truly are.

 

[OldFlame]

I don’t see anyone disputing it. The FBI screwed up. They didn’t see Trump supporters as the violent lawless thugs they truly are.

The 'FBI screwed up' has to be your go to argument, to believe the alternative would just send you into a spiral you'd never recover from. Enjoy your fantasy world, it will come crashing down eventually, and you won't be able to stop it.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

FACTS:
- The Capitol Police LET PROTESTORS INTO THE BUILDING
-The Capitol Police ESCORTED the buffalo guy INTO and OUT OF the SENATE CHAMBER
-The Capitol Police FIRED ON the crowd OUTSIDE
-HUNDREDS of FBI cosplayers dressed as MAGA incited violence INSIDE the BUILDING
-Nacy Pelosi DENIED Trump's request for the NG

It is crystal CLEAR that the riot was actually the FEDSURRECTION REICHSTAG FIRE that they planned for and WANTED!!!!!

CLAIM: Footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol shows that Jacob Chansley, who participated in the riot sporting face paint, no shirt and a fur hat with horns, was “led through the Capitol by police the entire time he was in the building.”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times.

THE FACTS: After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast Jan. 6 security footage previously unseen by the public on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot.

Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast Jan. 6 security footage previously unseen by the public on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot.

apnews.com

 

[Marener]

So you're calling him a liar and you don't believe anything he has to say. The person who was in charge of security of the Capitol Building on 1/6/21 is not to be believed. There's no helping you in that case, you're more of an expert on it than he is, and no one will convince you otherwise. You're a fool, one of the biggest I've ever come across, and a waste of time to even try to talk to.

Lots of people contradicted lots of other people. Someone is lying. I’m not saying who or what.

To be honest, I’m not sure what you think I’m accusing him of lying about.

The Congressional Report showed that the Capitol Police had received intelligence about the potential for violence, but I agree that the FBI and DHS weren’t communicating any significant assessments to the Capitol Police.
I’m not sure if Sund’s book talks about this:

 

[SeaMajor7]

CLAIM: Footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol shows that Jacob Chansley, who participated in the riot sporting face paint, no shirt and a fur hat with horns, was “led through the Capitol by police the entire time he was in the building.”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times.

THE FACTS: After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast Jan. 6 security footage previously unseen by the public on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot.

Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast Jan. 6 security footage previously unseen by the public on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot.

apnews.com

Fake news, fucko!

 

[Marener]

The 'FBI screwed up' has to be your go to argument, to believe the alternative would just send you into a spiral you'd never recover from. Enjoy your fantasy world, it will come crashing down eventually, and you won't be able to stop it.

And what exactly is the “alternative”?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Fake news, fucko!

"Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times."

 

[OldFlame]

Lots of people contradicted lots of other people. Someone is lying. I’m not saying who or what.

To be honest, I’m not sure what you think I’m accusing him of lying about.

The Congressional Report showed that the Capitol Police had received intelligence about the potential for violence, but I agree that the FBI and DHS weren’t communicating any significant assessments to the Capitol Police.
I’m not sure if Sund’s book talks about this:
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Not one single agency shared their serious intel with Steven Sund, quite the coincidence, isn't it? Do you seriously believe that every piece of intel shared or reviewed in high level meetings is not documented and would back up his testimony? Not to mention that his repeated requests for assistance were ignored for hours that day from everyone that he contacted? He has documentation and minute by minute testimony of all of his actions and requests that day, none of it has been questioned. But you will believe what you want, there's really no point in discussing it any further.

 

[OldFlame]

And what exactly is the “alternative”?

Tell us who has benefited from that day?

 

[SeaMajor7]

"Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times."

Video footage shows Capitol Police ESCORTING buffalo guy around, not asking him to leave.
Better luck next time.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Lots of people contradicted lots of other people. Someone is lying. I’m not saying who or what.

To be honest, I’m not sure what you think I’m accusing him of lying about.

The Congressional Report showed that the Capitol Police had received intelligence about the potential for violence, but I agree that the FBI and DHS weren’t communicating any significant assessments to the Capitol Police.
I’m not sure if Sund’s book talks about this:
View attachment 886144

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jan+6+breach+washington+post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-intelligence/2021/01/12/30d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

 

[Marener]

Not one single agency shared their serious intel with Steven Sund, quite the coincidence, isn't it? Do you seriously believe that every piece of intel shared or reviewed in high level meetings is not documented and would back up his testimony? Not to mention that his repeated requests for assistance were ignored for hours that day from everyone that he contacted? He has documentation and minute by minute testimony of all of his actions and requests that day, none of it has been questioned. But you will believe what you want, there's really no point in discussing it any further.

Not that much of a coincidence. The FBI and DHS both reached the same conclusion as to the “seriousness” of the threat. It’s easy to see why they wouldn’t take the threats seriously. Trump’s supporters have not been known to commit widespread violence.

All the documents were reviewed by the Congressional committee investigating and indicated that Capitol Police did receive intelligence of an attack but they too did not take it seriously.

Again, because they’re all working on the same assumption that Trump’s supporters aren’t violent.

We don’t have recordings of the phone calls Sund made on January 6th. We know who he called when but we don’t know what he said, and there is contradictory claims about that.

The military especially is blaming each other for their lack of responsiveness.

'Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

In a 36-page memo to the Capitol riot committee, Col. Earl Matthews also slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-ridden report.

www.politico.com

 

[elektra]

Sunday said his requests were made to both Sergeant-at-Arms and the Pentagon, not Nancy Pelosi.

And the Sergeant at Arms makes the request to who?

 

[elektra]

Yes, doofus. She was the ranking member of the House of Representatives, one of the 2 houses in Congress.

Congress is bicameral. She was not Congress.

Yes, Nancy Pelosi is a member of congress, the leader in fact, must I say, along with?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Video footage shows Capitol Police ESCORTING buffalo guy around, not asking him to leave.
Better luck next time.

case closed. guilty as charged. tons of evidence presented.

The footage aired by Carlson earlier this month showed Chansley walking through Capitol hallways accompanied by police officers, who at some moments appeared to be facilitating his movements — even opening a Senate-wing door for him at one point — and certainly weren’t trying to subdue him. But the clips didn’t indicate what time of day the footage came from or any of the context about the interactions.

...

But Carlson omitted footage of Chansley’s entry into the Capitol, which came amid the earliest wave of rioters overrunning police, as well as footage from a lengthy standoff with police outside the Senate, and Chansley’s own trip inside the Senate chamber, where he stood on the Senate dais, recited a prayer and wrote an ominous message to then-Vice President Mike Pence: “It’s only a matter of time. Justice is coming.”

Prosecutors say newly aired Chansley footage paints misleading portrait of his Jan. 6 conduct

The Justice Department says a four-minute segment played by Fox News' Tucker Carlson omitted the most incriminating aspects of the so-called QAnon Shaman's time in the Capitol.

www.politico.com