Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

So I just want to be crystal clear on this: your saying that the housing bubble was the result of George W. Bush's policies. Is that correct?
Yep

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush's President's Working Group on Financial Markets March 2008

"The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007."

ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?
As a matter of fact....yes. In this entire thread, you've been praising socialism. For instance, in response to someone stating that "socialism has never worked and never will", you replied in post #902:
US was Founded on socialism cupcake.....
You've had at least half a dozen comments in this thread supporting the "wonders" of socialism. And yet you just proved that government intervention in the free market causes collapse (specifically, Bill Clinton's intervention - but hey, if it makes you feel slightly better to blame George W. Bush - go for it...you're still proving that government intervention in the free market always ends in collapse). Thanks for being my bitch, bitch!

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Got it Cupcake YOU WILL STICK WITH LIES AND SELECTIVE EDITING :(


Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up

The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.

A McKinsey Global Institute report noted “from 2000 through 2007, a remarkable run-up in global home prices occurred.” It is highly unlikely that a simultaneous boom and bust everywhere else in the world was caused by one set of factors (ultra-low rates, securitized AAA-rated subprime, derivatives) but had a different set of causes in the United States. Indeed, this might be the biggest obstacle to pushing the false narrative.



...The market share of financial institutions that were subject to the CRA has steadily declined since the legislation was passed in 1977. As noted by Abromowitz & Min, CRA-regulated institutions, primarily banks and thrifts, accounted for only 28 percent of all mortgages originated in 2006.



Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom. Check the mortgage origination data: The vast majority of subprime mortgages — the loans at the heart of the global crisis — were underwritten by unregulated private firms. These were lenders who sold the bulk of their mortgages to Wall Street, not to Fannie or Freddie. Indeed, these firms had no deposits, so they were not under the jurisdiction of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp or the Office of Thrift Supervision. The relative market share of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped from a high of 57 percent of all new mortgage originations in 2003, down to 37 percent as the bubble was developing in 2005-06.

•Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards.
Taking up that extra share were nonbanks selling mortgages elsewhere, not to the GSEs. Conforming mortgages had rules that were less profitable than the newfangled loans. Private securitizers — competitors of Fannie and Freddie — grew from 10 percent of the market in 2002 to nearly 40 percent in 2006. As a percentage of all mortgage-backed securities, private securitization grew from 23 percent in 2003 to 56 percent in 2006


These firms had business models that could be called “Lend-in-order-to-sell-to-Wall-Street-securitizers.” They offered all manner of nontraditional mortgages — the 2/28 adjustable rate mortgages, piggy-back loans, negative amortization loans. These defaulted in huge numbers, far more than the regulated mortgage writers did.

....A 2008 analysis found that the nonbank underwriters made more than 12 million subprime mortgages with a value of nearly $2 trillion. The lenders who made these were exempt from federal regulations.

WAPO

Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up
 
So I just want to be crystal clear on this: your saying that the housing bubble was the result of George W. Bush's policies. Is that correct?
Yep

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush's President's Working Group on Financial Markets March 2008

"The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007."

ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?
As a matter of fact....yes. In this entire thread, you've been praising socialism. For instance, in response to someone stating that "socialism has never worked and never will", you replied in post #902:
US was Founded on socialism cupcake.....
You've had at least half a dozen comments in this thread supporting the "wonders" of socialism. And yet you just proved that government intervention in the free market causes collapse (specifically, Bill Clinton's intervention - but hey, if it makes you feel slightly better to blame George W. Bush - go for it...you're still proving that government intervention in the free market always ends in collapse). Thanks for being my bitch, bitch!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Got it Cupcake YOU WILL STICK WITH LIES AND SELECTIVE EDITING
Oh snowflake....it is far too late. You've blamed Bush in at least a dozen posts already - citing his policies as the cause. Even if that is true - you just proved that government intervention in the markets causes collapse and failure!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
 
Yes, Jefferson the Republican was "full of propaganda and rhetoric".
Folks...if you want to know how radicalized and bat-shit crazy the left has become - just look at danielpalos post here. Jefferson was the architect behind our entire structure of government. You comment is as idiotic as proclaiming that Albert Einstein was "full of propaganda" about creating his Theory of Relativity.

Dumb ass. :lmao:
so what; he was a Republican, afterward.
No, snowflake. Like almost all of the founders (save for a few nut jobs like Alexander Hamilton), what Thomas Jefferson was, was a small-government conservative.

If the General Welfare clause meant what you LWNJ's claim it means, the federal government would literally have unlimited power. They would be able to murder citizens, strip 1st Amendment rights, strip 2nd Amendment rights, sterilize citizens, and a whole lot more - all they would have to do is declare that those actions were "for the general welfare" of the people and the United States.

Yes...that really is how stupid your argument is and how stupid LWNJ's are.


Sorry Cupcake, why do you think the Founders went with the BIG FEDERAL GOV'T CONSTITUTION, AFTER THE SMALL, STATES RIGHTS ARTICLES FAILED??


YOU DO KNOW WHO WON BETWEEN THE FEDERALISTS AND ANTI-FEDERALISTS RIGHT CUPCAKE?
 
Yes, Jefferson the Republican was "full of propaganda and rhetoric".
Folks...if you want to know how radicalized and bat-shit crazy the left has become - just look at danielpalos post here. Jefferson was the architect behind our entire structure of government. You comment is as idiotic as proclaiming that Albert Einstein was "full of propaganda" about creating his Theory of Relativity.

Dumb ass. :lmao:
so what; he was a Republican, afterward.
No, snowflake. Like almost all of the founders (save for a few nut jobs like Alexander Hamilton), what Thomas Jefferson was, was a small-government conservative.

If the General Welfare clause meant what you LWNJ's claim it means, the federal government would literally have unlimited power. They would be able to murder citizens, strip 1st Amendment rights, strip 2nd Amendment rights, sterilize citizens, and a whole lot more - all they would have to do is declare that those actions were "for the general welfare" of the people and the United States.

Yes...that really is how stupid your argument is and how stupid LWNJ's are.
He was a republican and claimed to subscribe to the republican doctrine.

And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.

Nah, he was a Dem/Repub (that was the actual party) , the Republican party wasn't formed till almost 100 years later, he was HUGELY liberal especially as he got older
 
No, snowflake. Like almost all of the founders (save for a few nut jobs like Alexander Hamilton), what Thomas Jefferson was, was a small-government conservative.

If the General Welfare clause meant what you LWNJ's claim it means, the federal government would literally have unlimited power. They would be able to murder citizens, strip 1st Amendment rights, strip 2nd Amendment rights, sterilize citizens, and a whole lot more - all they would have to do is declare that those actions were "for the general welfare" of the people and the United States.

Yes...that really is how stupid your argument is and how stupid LWNJ's are.
The only thing the left know about the US Constitution is that was written by a bunch of slave owners who are now dead.
some on the left, actually understand the federal Doctrine.
What's Federal law taking precedent over State and local laws have to do with leftists giving so little time and money to charity?
Only in certain Things; the general government has no actual police power within the sovereign States, but for federal obligations. States are not districts or territories.
And how is that relevant to the agenda of the left being based upon feelings?

As righties whine about their failed trickle down will bring in more revenues? Seriously?


ALL the GOP has had for 40+ years is emotion, there are no more Goldwater or even Rockefeller Repubs, they are Ronnie/Hateful Cheeto Repugs today!
 
So I just want to be crystal clear on this: your saying that the housing bubble was the result of George W. Bush's policies. Is that correct?
Yep

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush's President's Working Group on Financial Markets March 2008

"The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007."

ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?
As a matter of fact....yes. In this entire thread, you've been praising socialism. For instance, in response to someone stating that "socialism has never worked and never will", you replied in post #902:
US was Founded on socialism cupcake.....
You've had at least half a dozen comments in this thread supporting the "wonders" of socialism. And yet you just proved that government intervention in the free market causes collapse (specifically, Bill Clinton's intervention - but hey, if it makes you feel slightly better to blame George W. Bush - go for it...you're still proving that government intervention in the free market always ends in collapse). Thanks for being my bitch, bitch!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Got it Cupcake YOU WILL STICK WITH LIES AND SELECTIVE EDITING
Oh snowflake....it is far too late. You've blamed Bush in at least a dozen posts already - citing his policies as the cause. Even if that is true - you just proved that government intervention in the markets causes collapse and failure!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Sorry Cupcake, I pointed out Dubya cheered on the Banksters WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE because he "believed" Banksters would self regulate, like Ronnie did when Mr Gray warned him about the S&L problems in 1984, but Ronnie was too busy running for re-election Cupcake
 
"hate on the poor" lately with nothing but "emotion"?
And once again danielpalos proves the premise of this thread. If someone uses logic and reason, studies history and facts, and deduces that socialism is unsustainable and a failed ideology, the left screams "you hate the poor"!

Emotional meltdown. They know that socialism is a failed ideology, but it feels good (and they also don't want to have to support themselves - hands out feel good to them as well).

Without false premises, distortions and lies what would you right wingers EVER have Cupcake?

Dan is simply arguing the current casino capitalism practiced in the US is unsustainable for the bottom 95% of US and like we have since our Founding, the US should go more socialist and regulatory than unbridled casino/vulture capitalism that keeps requiring the bailouts of private markets AFTER they hose US!

IF CONservative/GOP policy is followed as it has been for 40+ years the US will look like a 3rd world nation in 60 years, the rich behind gated communities, MANY poor and a very small middle class Cupcake!
 
So I just want to be crystal clear on this: your saying that the housing bubble was the result of George W. Bush's policies. Is that correct?
Yep

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush's President's Working Group on Financial Markets March 2008

"The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007."

ANYTHING ELSE CUPCAKE?
As a matter of fact....yes. In this entire thread, you've been praising socialism. For instance, in response to someone stating that "socialism has never worked and never will", you replied in post #902:
US was Founded on socialism cupcake.....
You've had at least half a dozen comments in this thread supporting the "wonders" of socialism. And yet you just proved that government intervention in the free market causes collapse (specifically, Bill Clinton's intervention - but hey, if it makes you feel slightly better to blame George W. Bush - go for it...you're still proving that government intervention in the free market always ends in collapse). Thanks for being my bitch, bitch!

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

Sure Cupcake, explain which law required the 5 investment banks (all gone today) to enter this subprime craze Buttercup? Oops
 
Yes, Clinton gave US good, well performing loans with his change in CRA
And then - according to you - George W. Bush came along and collapsed the entire housing market with his policies. Proving yet again that socialism never works. That government intervention in the free market always creates collapse and ends in failure.

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:


Sorry Cupcake, Dubya's policies as far as Gov't was causing F/F to go BK, it was his willful "market self regulate" BS that ALLOWED the Banksters to use their PREDATORY practices to hose US, again :fu:
 
And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.
A. The best defense is a good offense
A true military axiom in most cases; we don't have a military constitution. We have a civil Constitution with specific, limiting terms.

Defense may not be confused with offense.
 
Only in certain Things; the general government has no actual police power within the sovereign States, but for federal obligations. States are not districts or territories.
Well no shit. Who has argued otherwise? Immigration is a federal responsibility - so the federal government has every right to chase down illegal aliens in all 50 states and deport them.
The right wing has nothing but, socialism on a national basis.

WE have a Commerce Clause. It trumps an immigration clause due to Tourism.
 
"hate on the poor" lately with nothing but "emotion"?
And once again danielpalos proves the premise of this thread. If someone uses logic and reason, studies history and facts, and deduces that socialism is unsustainable and a failed ideology, the left screams "you hate the poor"!

Emotional meltdown. They know that socialism is a failed ideology, but it feels good (and they also don't want to have to support themselves - hands out feel good to them as well).
laissez-fair in employment regulations, right wingers; we have a federal Doctrine regarding employment at the will of either party, even for unemployment compensation.
 
Yes, Jefferson the Republican was "full of propaganda and rhetoric".
Folks...if you want to know how radicalized and bat-shit crazy the left has become - just look at danielpalos post here. Jefferson was the architect behind our entire structure of government. You comment is as idiotic as proclaiming that Albert Einstein was "full of propaganda" about creating his Theory of Relativity.

Dumb ass. :lmao:
so what; he was a Republican, afterward.
No, snowflake. Like almost all of the founders (save for a few nut jobs like Alexander Hamilton), what Thomas Jefferson was, was a small-government conservative.

If the General Welfare clause meant what you LWNJ's claim it means, the federal government would literally have unlimited power. They would be able to murder citizens, strip 1st Amendment rights, strip 2nd Amendment rights, sterilize citizens, and a whole lot more - all they would have to do is declare that those actions were "for the general welfare" of the people and the United States.

Yes...that really is how stupid your argument is and how stupid LWNJ's are.
He was a republican and claimed to subscribe to the republican doctrine.

And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.

Nah, he was a Dem/Repub (that was the actual party) , the Republican party wasn't formed till almost 100 years later, he was HUGELY liberal especially as he got older
Democratic-republican is the same as republican for political purposes on this board.
 
And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.
A. The best defense is a good offense
A true military axiom in most cases; we don't have a military constitution. We have a civil Constitution with specific, limiting terms.

Defense may not be confused with offense.

Could you please explain why you think what Thomas Jefferson said is propaganda?
 
And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.
A. The best defense is a good offense
A true military axiom in most cases; we don't have a military constitution. We have a civil Constitution with specific, limiting terms.

Defense may not be confused with offense.

Could you please explain why you think what Thomas Jefferson said is propaganda?
He was a democratic-Republican. It really is that simple. He was Not a federalist.
 
And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.
A. The best defense is a good offense
A true military axiom in most cases; we don't have a military constitution. We have a civil Constitution with specific, limiting terms.

Defense may not be confused with offense.

Could you please explain why you think what Thomas Jefferson said is propaganda?
He was a democratic-Republican. It really is that simple. He was Not a federalist.

So how is what Thomas Jefferson said propaganda? Please break down the quotes and tell me what part was propaganda, because I have never heard that stated by anyone else before.
 
And, y'all have nothing but red herrings. the common Defense does imply unlimited common offense spending.
A. The best defense is a good offense
A true military axiom in most cases; we don't have a military constitution. We have a civil Constitution with specific, limiting terms.

Defense may not be confused with offense.

Could you please explain why you think what Thomas Jefferson said is propaganda?
He was a democratic-Republican. It really is that simple. He was Not a federalist.

So how is what Thomas Jefferson said propaganda? Please break down the quotes and tell me what part was propaganda, because I have never heard that stated by anyone else before.
Any quote the right wing wants to use for economics or the law; is better applied by the left, not the right.

don't believe me, "bring it on".
 
A. The best defense is a good offense
A true military axiom in most cases; we don't have a military constitution. We have a civil Constitution with specific, limiting terms.

Defense may not be confused with offense.

Could you please explain why you think what Thomas Jefferson said is propaganda?
He was a democratic-Republican. It really is that simple. He was Not a federalist.

So how is what Thomas Jefferson said propaganda? Please break down the quotes and tell me what part was propaganda, because I have never heard that stated by anyone else before.
Any quote the right wing wants to use for economics or the law; is better applied by the left, not the right.

don't believe me, "bring it on".

Bring what on? Can you be specific on what part of Jeffersons quotes did you find to be propaganda. Please use the quote and show me, unless that is to difficult for you.
 
It's much easier to teach A man fish then give them fish every time they need it... The nanny state never has worked and never will work for the good of the people.

Without false premises, distortions and lies what would the right EVER have?

How about ONE TIME CONservatives were EVER on the correct side of US history?

OR give me 3 policies GOP gave US that worked as promised last 50 years?

Nanny state huh? Yeah, Europe is horrible right?
:lmao:
The GOP establishment are progressives. shit for brains
And Europe is a fucking nanny state and a fucking shit hole… Jack weed

Yet Europe has great freedoms and the happiest people on the planets. If they are a shithole that's about the best we have.

Yes, Europe is such a wonderful utopia . . . so when are you moving?


Why move cupcake, US liberals will eventually get US nearer Europe's safety nets/quality of life :)

Because your liberal utopia already exists somewhere, according to you tweekos, so why force people who DON'T WANT IT to live with it? Why not leave the rest of us alone and go live in it, already?
 

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