Right Wingers eating crow on price of gasoline. $1.39 in Indiana.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddster 12992993

At the 30 second mark he says he would have preferred a gradual adjustment.
Because, you see, he's not upset with high gas prices.

Faced with the reality that gas prices at the pump were rising shockingly fast, of course Obama would, as would everybody not associated or invested in the oil industry prefer a gradual adjustment. What on earth makes you think Obama was not upset with high gas prices?

Are you of some belief that the price of gas is always going to go down regardless of increased demand or decreased supply.

The price of gasoline had already been rising sharply when Obama granted this interview. He had no immediate options or authority to stop it. So Obama made a sober response to create options and a means to take the roller coaster ride out of gas prices. We need to develop an energy policy "All of the Above"
that will level out the shocks and stabilize the gasoline prices over longer periods of time. Great for the consumer - great for business.

It's too difficult for those who hate to think in this kind of rational way.

What on earth makes you think Obama was not upset with high gas prices?

He thinks global warming is a bigger threat than Muslim extremists.
How does that square with wanting lower gas prices?
Be honest.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm curious, Franco...has the gap gotten bigger or smaller under Barack Obama? Hmmmmm?

It will continue to grow until Reaganist tax rates are changed. DUH.

Darn that Reagan and his top rate of 28%!!!

Things will not improve until we raise rates to 39.6%.
Wait, what? A hike of 41% isn't enough for you fuckwits?

The effective rate is 12% for corps and in the teens for income.

The effective rate is 12% for corps

Yeah, when you deduct things like cost of goods sold and payroll, your rate drops.

and in the teens for income.

So why'd you whine about Reagan's 28% rate?

BS, dupe.
It's all part of the Reaganist rate duh.

It's all part of the Reaganist rate duh.


39.6% is part of Reagan's 28% rate?
What kind of stupid shit is that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He just wanted to make electricity more expensive, to reduce CO2.
At the same time, he wanted to make gasoline cheaper, to increase CO2. Totally makes sense.
LOL!

Obama's overall energy policy is aimed at reducing costs for all consumers by using everything we have and can invent. It's a net result. You cite one part on electricity but can't be bothered with savings consumers get with better insulated homes and more energy efficient appliances etc. And there is the higher fleet efficiency that U.S. Automakers are now dedicated. Better gas mileage reduces CO2 and contributes to lower prices at the pump.

Just because you can't grasp the big picture doesnt mean 'big picture' thinking about energy consumption and costs is not taking place.

Obama's overall energy policy is aimed at reducing costs for all consumers

LOL!

 

[FA_Q2]

FAQ2 12994344

o the clip I posted with Obama stating exactly that - he wanted to price coal out of the market with added fees - was not evidence in your mind. Was it a doppelganger that made those statements?

The claim you RW'ers are expected to provide
is the one that Obama wanted in 2012 to skyrocket gas prices at the pump for consumers who drive cars and trucks and engage in trade and services that depends on petroleum products to deliver those goods and services. He never said that he wants higher gasoline prices.

I don't know anyone who drives a coal powered set of wheels anymore.

Electric cars are in use and being developed but as they become a good cleaner alternative more electricity is being generated by means other than coal now anyway.

Your coal diversion attempt is further proof that you can't find an Obama quote that matches your baseless claim about gasoline.

Ill take that as a yes - you are going to ignore reality in your face in the name of partisanship.

Oh well, you have plenty of company over here.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

FAQ2 12994344

o the clip I posted with Obama stating exactly that - he wanted to price coal out of the market with added fees - was not evidence in your mind. Was it a doppelganger that made those statements?

The claim you RW'ers are expected to provide
is the one that Obama wanted in 2012 to skyrocket gas prices at the pump for consumers who drive cars and trucks and engage in trade and services that depends on petroleum products to deliver those goods and services. He never said that he wants higher gasoline prices.

I don't know anyone who drives a coal powered set of wheels anymore.

Electric cars are in use and being developed but as they become a good cleaner alternative more electricity is being generated by means other than coal now anyway.

Your coal diversion attempt is further proof that you can't find an Obama quote that matches your baseless claim about gasoline.

Electric cars are in use and being developed but as they become a good cleaner alternative more electricity is being generated by means other than coal now anyway.

In 2014, the United States generated about 4,093 billion kilowatthours of electricity.1 About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2014:

• Coal = 39%
• Natural gas = 27%
• Nuclear = 19%
• Hydropower = 6%
• Other renewables = 7%
  • Biomass = 1.7%
  • Geothermal = 0.4%
  • Solar = 0.4%
  • Wind = 4.4%
• Petroleum = 1%
• Other gases < 1%

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

LOL!

 

[francoHFW]

Obama's overall energy policy is aimed at reducing costs for all consumers by using everything we have and can invent. It's a net result. You cite one part on electricity but can't be bothered with savings consumers get with better insulated homes and more energy efficient appliances etc. And there is the higher fleet efficiency that U.S. Automakers are now dedicated. Better gas mileage reduces CO2 and contributes to lower prices at the pump.

Just because you can't grasp the big picture doesnt mean 'big picture' thinking about energy consumption and costs is not taking place.

So let me see if I understand Obama's "big picture"...we're going to cut CO2 emissions here in the US but the agreement that Barry just signed with China allows THEM to increase CO2 emissions until the year 2030 and only THEN cap those CO2 levels? So we cut our emissions while we allow the biggest polluter on the planet to increase theirs for another 15 years?

Was this the same President that smugly pointed out that a wall across our border wouldn't stop global warming?

How the hell do you sign THAT agreement with China then? Duh?

What imaginary treaty is that? China is going nuts on wind and solar these days, and Obama has made us competitive...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

Obama's overall energy policy is aimed at reducing costs for all consumers by using everything we have and can invent. It's a net result. You cite one part on electricity but can't be bothered with savings consumers get with better insulated homes and more energy efficient appliances etc. And there is the higher fleet efficiency that U.S. Automakers are now dedicated. Better gas mileage reduces CO2 and contributes to lower prices at the pump.

Just because you can't grasp the big picture doesnt mean 'big picture' thinking about energy consumption and costs is not taking place.

So let me see if I understand Obama's "big picture"...we're going to cut CO2 emissions here in the US but the agreement that Barry just signed with China allows THEM to increase CO2 emissions until the year 2030 and only THEN cap those CO2 levels? So we cut our emissions while we allow the biggest polluter on the planet to increase theirs for another 15 years?

Was this the same President that smugly pointed out that a wall across our border wouldn't stop global warming?

How the hell do you sign THAT agreement with China then? Duh?

What imaginary treaty is that? China is going nuts on wind and solar these days, and Obama has made us competitive...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

Riggghhtttt,

1. Renewable Energy Growing Again in China | Wall Street Daily
   www.wallstreetdaily.com/.../27/china-renewable-energy-growth
   ... renewable energy spending rose in 2014. ... China Brings Renewable Energy Growth Back ... as the market starts to turn back to renewable energy.
   
   
2. Renewable energy in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
   The effort to drive the renewable energy use in China was further assured after the speech of the Chinese President given at the UN climate summit on 22 September ...
   
   
3. China's Gigantic New Commitment To Renewable Energy ...
   thinkprogress.org/.../china-renewable-energy-commitment
   Grid companies have been resistant to adding a significant amount of renewable energy, but with the Chinese government expected ... China; Renewable Energy;
   
   
4. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution: What Is Driving It ...
   www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-renewable-energy-revolution...
   ... is based, which in turn provides a platform for reducing costs due to learning curve effects. ...China’s Continuing Renewable Energy Revolution: ...
   
   
5. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution Has Global Implications
   cleantechnica.com/2014/04/08/chinas-renewable-energy...
   China’s renewable energy ... In fact the sharp turn to renewables ... In 2013 China produced 1044 billion kWh of renewable electrical energy, ...

Change the channel. Now, about that treaty?

Who is the world's worst air polluter? If China is going "green" then why are they demanding another 15 years of increased CO2 emissions before they have to cap their CO2 levels? You're so clueless at times...it's laughable!

The truth is that China consumes almost as much coal as the rest of the world put together.

So when do you think Fox Rush etc might decide to tell you about these new developments lol?

 

[francoHFW]

It will continue to grow until Reaganist tax rates are changed. DUH.

Darn that Reagan and his top rate of 28%!!!

Things will not improve until we raise rates to 39.6%.
Wait, what? A hike of 41% isn't enough for you fuckwits?

The effective rate is 12% for corps and in the teens for income.

The effective rate is 12% for corps

Yeah, when you deduct things like cost of goods sold and payroll, your rate drops.

and in the teens for income.

So why'd you whine about Reagan's 28% rate?

BS, dupe.
It's all part of the Reaganist rate duh.

It's all part of the Reaganist rate duh.


39.6% is part of Reagan's 28% rate?
What kind of stupid shit is that?

All the corrupt deductions are duh. We need to get back to 70% etc to cut CEO pay. Whatever, TOO GD LOW for the rich and giant corps. OBVIOUSLY.

 

[Synthaholic]

The "problem" is shutting those shallow water drillers down showed the lengths that Obama's Administration was willing to go to "handicap" the fossil fuel industry, Synth!

And I see the fossil fuel industry much the way I see the tobacco industry. As an industry that harms society, our children, and their children.

an industry that harms society, our children, and their children.

Is that why you're heating and cooling your home with wind and solar?

Not wind. I'm not even sure wind is zoned residential.

So you're heating and cooling with solar?

Partially. I've made great use of all the Green rebates under President Obama (praise be unto Him!), especially the Stimulus in 2009. I'm going to do more in the spring. But I don't think I'm going to totally displace my city electric, nor would I want to.

 

[Synthaholic]

I just have to ask again.

Obama: GREAT president? Or the GREATEST president?

Failed President. Bottom 5.

Well, you're a fanatic, and that's what I would expect a fanatic to say.

 

[Synthaholic]

I just have to ask again.

Obama: GREAT president? Or the GREATEST president?

Not sure. I guess that would be determined by how big your SNAP's card is and how nice your Obama phone works.

You mean the Reagan Phone?

Ring Wing Goes Crazy Over 'Obama Phones' Which Are Actually 'Reagan Phones'


.

 

[Oldstyle]

So let me see if I understand Obama's "big picture"...we're going to cut CO2 emissions here in the US but the agreement that Barry just signed with China allows THEM to increase CO2 emissions until the year 2030 and only THEN cap those CO2 levels? So we cut our emissions while we allow the biggest polluter on the planet to increase theirs for another 15 years?

Was this the same President that smugly pointed out that a wall across our border wouldn't stop global warming?

How the hell do you sign THAT agreement with China then? Duh?

What imaginary treaty is that? China is going nuts on wind and solar these days, and Obama has made us competitive...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

So let me see if I understand Obama's "big picture"...we're going to cut CO2 emissions here in the US but the agreement that Barry just signed with China allows THEM to increase CO2 emissions until the year 2030 and only THEN cap those CO2 levels? So we cut our emissions while we allow the biggest polluter on the planet to increase theirs for another 15 years?

Was this the same President that smugly pointed out that a wall across our border wouldn't stop global warming?

How the hell do you sign THAT agreement with China then? Duh?

What imaginary treaty is that? China is going nuts on wind and solar these days, and Obama has made us competitive...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

Riggghhtttt,

1. Renewable Energy Growing Again in China | Wall Street Daily
   www.wallstreetdaily.com/.../27/china-renewable-energy-growth
   ... renewable energy spending rose in 2014. ... China Brings Renewable Energy Growth Back ... as the market starts to turn back to renewable energy.
   
   
2. Renewable energy in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
   The effort to drive the renewable energy use in China was further assured after the speech of the Chinese President given at the UN climate summit on 22 September ...
   
   
3. China's Gigantic New Commitment To Renewable Energy ...
   thinkprogress.org/.../china-renewable-energy-commitment
   Grid companies have been resistant to adding a significant amount of renewable energy, but with the Chinese government expected ... China; Renewable Energy;
   
   
4. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution: What Is Driving It ...
   www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-renewable-energy-revolution...
   ... is based, which in turn provides a platform for reducing costs due to learning curve effects. ...China’s Continuing Renewable Energy Revolution: ...
   
   
5. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution Has Global Implications
   cleantechnica.com/2014/04/08/chinas-renewable-energy...
   China’s renewable energy ... In fact the sharp turn to renewables ... In 2013 China produced 1044 billion kWh of renewable electrical energy, ...

Change the channel. Now, about that treaty?

Who is the world's worst air polluter? If China is going "green" then why are they demanding another 15 years of increased CO2 emissions before they have to cap their CO2 levels? You're so clueless at times...it's laughable!

The truth is that China consumes almost as much coal as the rest of the world put together.

So when do you think Fox Rush etc might decide to tell you about these new developments lol?

So did you want to explain the rationale behind Obama agreeing to cut our CO2 emissions while allowing China to increase theirs for the next fifteen years? Does that make any sense at all to you? Oh...wait...I keep forgetting that "Pub dupe" makes sense to you! Never mind, Franco...this topic is WAY too complicated for your infantile little mind!

 

[francoHFW]

What imaginary treaty is that? China is going nuts on wind and solar these days, and Obama has made us competitive...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

What imaginary treaty is that? China is going nuts on wind and solar these days, and Obama has made us competitive...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

Riggghhtttt,

1. Renewable Energy Growing Again in China | Wall Street Daily
   www.wallstreetdaily.com/.../27/china-renewable-energy-growth
   ... renewable energy spending rose in 2014. ... China Brings Renewable Energy Growth Back ... as the market starts to turn back to renewable energy.
   
   
2. Renewable energy in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
   The effort to drive the renewable energy use in China was further assured after the speech of the Chinese President given at the UN climate summit on 22 September ...
   
   
3. China's Gigantic New Commitment To Renewable Energy ...
   thinkprogress.org/.../china-renewable-energy-commitment
   Grid companies have been resistant to adding a significant amount of renewable energy, but with the Chinese government expected ... China; Renewable Energy;
   
   
4. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution: What Is Driving It ...
   www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-renewable-energy-revolution...
   ... is based, which in turn provides a platform for reducing costs due to learning curve effects. ...China’s Continuing Renewable Energy Revolution: ...
   
   
5. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution Has Global Implications
   cleantechnica.com/2014/04/08/chinas-renewable-energy...
   China’s renewable energy ... In fact the sharp turn to renewables ... In 2013 China produced 1044 billion kWh of renewable electrical energy, ...

Change the channel. Now, about that treaty?

Who is the world's worst air polluter? If China is going "green" then why are they demanding another 15 years of increased CO2 emissions before they have to cap their CO2 levels? You're so clueless at times...it's laughable!

The truth is that China consumes almost as much coal as the rest of the world put together.

So when do you think Fox Rush etc might decide to tell you about these new developments lol?

So did you want to explain the rationale behind Obama agreeing to cut our CO2 emissions while allowing China to increase theirs for the next fifteen years? Does that make any sense at all to you? Oh...wait...I keep forgetting that "Pub dupe" makes sense to you! Never mind, Franco...this topic is WAY too complicated for your infantile little mind!

Link to your bs? From a reputable source?

 

[Oldstyle]

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

China is so polluted right now, Franco that they just had to issue a "pollution emergency" for their Capital because air quality is so bad. China is not going nuts on wind and solar...they are burning millions of tons of coal to heat their houses and run their industries.

Once more you've demonstrated that you know nothing about a topic...

Riggghhtttt,

1. Renewable Energy Growing Again in China | Wall Street Daily
   www.wallstreetdaily.com/.../27/china-renewable-energy-growth
   ... renewable energy spending rose in 2014. ... China Brings Renewable Energy Growth Back ... as the market starts to turn back to renewable energy.
   
   
2. Renewable energy in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
   The effort to drive the renewable energy use in China was further assured after the speech of the Chinese President given at the UN climate summit on 22 September ...
   
   
3. China's Gigantic New Commitment To Renewable Energy ...
   thinkprogress.org/.../china-renewable-energy-commitment
   Grid companies have been resistant to adding a significant amount of renewable energy, but with the Chinese government expected ... China; Renewable Energy;
   
   
4. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution: What Is Driving It ...
   www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-renewable-energy-revolution...
   ... is based, which in turn provides a platform for reducing costs due to learning curve effects. ...China’s Continuing Renewable Energy Revolution: ...
   
   
5. China’s Renewable Energy Revolution Has Global Implications
   cleantechnica.com/2014/04/08/chinas-renewable-energy...
   China’s renewable energy ... In fact the sharp turn to renewables ... In 2013 China produced 1044 billion kWh of renewable electrical energy, ...

Change the channel. Now, about that treaty?

Who is the world's worst air polluter? If China is going "green" then why are they demanding another 15 years of increased CO2 emissions before they have to cap their CO2 levels? You're so clueless at times...it's laughable!

The truth is that China consumes almost as much coal as the rest of the world put together.

So when do you think Fox Rush etc might decide to tell you about these new developments lol?

So did you want to explain the rationale behind Obama agreeing to cut our CO2 emissions while allowing China to increase theirs for the next fifteen years? Does that make any sense at all to you? Oh...wait...I keep forgetting that "Pub dupe" makes sense to you! Never mind, Franco...this topic is WAY too complicated for your infantile little mind!

Link to your bs? From a reputable source?

What, you didn't know that was the deal that Obama cut with the Chinese? You really don't know shit about anything...do you, Franco? You come on here with your "Pub dupe" this and your "Pub dupe" that...when the truth is...the biggest dupe on this board is you because you buy the line of crap that Obama has been putting out.
U.S. and China reach historic climate change agreement - CNN.com
Is CNN "reputable" enough for you?

 

[Oldstyle]

So we agree to cut our emissions NOW and the Chinese agree to keep increasing their emissions for another 15 years and THEN cap them at THAT level! They're already the world's biggest polluter and Barry just told them it was OK to pollute even more! That's YOUR guy, Franco! A deal that's SO bad that you could use it as a demo on how NOT to cut a deal! Barack Obama and his band of progressive idiots are the gang that can't shoot straight! Everything they touch turns to shit!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I just have to ask again.

Obama: GREAT president? Or the GREATEST president?

Failed President. Bottom 5.

Well, you're a fanatic, and that's what I would expect a fanatic to say.

Well he's a failure, what else would I say?

 

[Dot Com]

why can't rw Presidents deliver on gas prices like Barack has?

 

[longknife]

Another ignorant thread.

The price of fuel is determined first and foremost by the futures market. With more oil waiting than can be sold, the price goes down. Low prices are due to technology. And that is in spite of the stupidity of limiting exports from the US.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

why can't rw Presidents deliver on gas prices like Barack has?

Because a President has little if anything to do with gas prices. If you knew anything about politics, you would understand that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We had the best economy in the world BEFORE Barack Obama! His lack of leadership prolonged the "Great Recession" for years in the worst recovery from a recession in modern economic history. As his second term grinds to a conclusion he doesn't even TRY to put forth an economic plan to grow the economy because he's been out of ideas on how to do that since Larry Summers left after the fiasco of the "Obama Stimulus". Under Barack Obama the Fed has been forced to keep interest rates at almost zero for the longest sustained period in history. Why? Because every time they even HINT at raising them the stock market goes into a nosedive. That's not indicative of a strong economy...that's indicative of a weak one!

Your mindless obstructionist GOP has blocked all other solutions, functional moron.

Name an Obama "solution" to economic growth that the GOP has blocked, Franco. Better yet...name an Obama "solution" to economic growth that this President has even PROPOSED!

Everything, functional moron- CHANGE THE CHANNEL. Another stimulus, infrastructure jobs bill, raise min wage, tax the rich and corps more like their fair share and invest in America, free community college and training for 3 million tech jobs going begging etc etc etc. IDIOT.

Speaking of idiot, do you know what the word "broke" means?

Broke means no money. Broke means in debt. Broke means failure.

Why liberals always strive for failure is beyond me.

You think the bloated rich and giant corps are broke? Ay caramba.

No, but our government is, and nearly everything you listed would have to come from that very same broke government.

You don't follow along very good......do you?

 

[francoHFW]

Your mindless obstructionist GOP has blocked all other solutions, functional moron.

Name an Obama "solution" to economic growth that the GOP has blocked, Franco. Better yet...name an Obama "solution" to economic growth that this President has even PROPOSED!

Everything, functional moron- CHANGE THE CHANNEL. Another stimulus, infrastructure jobs bill, raise min wage, tax the rich and corps more like their fair share and invest in America, free community college and training for 3 million tech jobs going begging etc etc etc. IDIOT.

Speaking of idiot, do you know what the word "broke" means?

Broke means no money. Broke means in debt. Broke means failure.

Why liberals always strive for failure is beyond me.

You think the bloated rich and giant corps are broke? Ay caramba.

No, but our government is, and nearly everything you listed would have to come from that very same broke government.

You don't follow along very good......do you?

Incredibly shortsighted. The rich and giant corps are bloated beyond belief...