RNC steals Paul's delegates

[Dissent]

I think he had a good shot. He has good and dedicated supporters. I think it would have made for an interesting convention for sure. Not sure if the Romney/Santorum/Gingrich folks would have gotten behind him or not and I am pretty sure the RNC would have not backed him...oh well...its not 100% over time to watch the farce they call a convention and then await what Paul will do. I don't see him endorsing Romney I would think he would endorse Johnson if he does it at all...

 

[Shelzin]

<You have given out too much reputation in 24 hours. Try again later.>

I agree! And if the whole world hadn't gone to hell in a handbasket this morning, and I hadn't used my reps for multiple sympathies with the worries and plights, you'd be getting a rep right now, Mr. Patriot.

Some libertarians seem to think Obama is going to reduce the size of government after his 5-trillion$-in-4 $pendathon, and need to see the head examiner in the front office sooner rather than later.

No... I don't think that. I don't think that a libertarian has a chance in hell of changing the Democratic platform. It does have a chance of changing the Republican platform, as all that is happens to be go back to doing what you all did before Reagan more or less.

Because frankly

Some republicans seem to think Willard is going to reduce the size of government after his 5-trillion$-in-4 $pendathon (Whatever Bush did), you need to see the head examiner in the front office sooner rather than later.

I don't think that a libertarian has a chance in hell of changing the Democratic platform.

That's probably why conservatives aren't flocking around you anymore.

Conservatives are just like Democrats?

It does have a chance of changing the Republican platform, as all that is happens to be go back to doing what you all did before Reagan more or less.

The Republican platform is established largely by the Republican primary winner.

Enjoying your visit on planet earth, are ya e.t.?

Yes... I agree. It is pretty much established largely by the primary winner. However... Getting a republican to change his view is pretty easy when they already agree with the view... Now it's more about convincing them of actually voting FOR the guy that shares that view.

Some republicans seem to think Willard is going to reduce the size of government after his 5-trillion$-in-4 $pendathon (Whatever Bush did), you need to see the head examiner in the front office sooner rather than later.

You need to do the conservative choir practice. It's called "getting ready," and you can memorize it in just a few seconds of your valuable time: "President-Elect Mitt Romney," and "Vice-President-Elect Paul Ryan."

See how easy that was and will be after November?

Blah... retarded tribal monkeys.

 

[freedombecki]

Funniest thing that happened today? Some idiot on tv was blathering how it didn't matter who would be president, because they would HAVE to address paying the National Debt.

Oh, yeah, Obama, who is disinterested in passing a budget so he can unleash more spending sans the restraint of a budget is gonna suddenly be transformed into this vision of pecuniary obedience? Nuh-uh.

I'm thinking the voters can put him out of his fiscal misery by letting someone else bail America out of its spendthrift and national debt modes as President, and Romney's the only one who has such a history of cleaning house on fiscal improprieties like Obama calling the Treasury and telling them how the cow ate the jobs cabbage if they didn't write a check out to Solyndra forthwith.

Obama needs practice on his golf championship form, anyhow, so his loafing for the rest of his life on the golfcourse is worth our investment of making it happen.

Yeah like ryans plan addresses paying off the debt starting in a decade or so?

Paul Ryan is not running for President. He has agreed to support Mitt Romney. Where you been lately, th' koolaide stand?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Ron Paul is going to retire. that's what he is going to do next.

 

[Dissent]

I know that. But do you think he endorses anyone? Ya think he does a publicity tour to talk about how he got screwed at the convention? I mean he does have a few months left as a congressman.

 

[freedombecki]

And what baseline cuts is Mitt Romney advocating? None.

but even more importantly how many baseline cuts can we expect out of congress? Either party in Congress and they are the ones who determine how much money gores where, not the president.
And Ron Paul is quitting.

If you had the President using the bully pulpit to demand actual baseline cuts? Probably still none. At least such a President would veto any budget and any bills that increase spending, however.

As for Ron Paul quitting, there's Justin Amash from Michigan running for reelection and Thomas Massie from Kentucky is likely to be elected. So there will still be a few Representatives willing to cut spending.

There will be cuts in all aspects of spending as follows:

Set Honest Goals: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP​

Any turnaround must begin with clear and realistic goals. Optimistic projections cannot wish a problem away, they can only make it worse. As president, Mitt&#8217;s goal will be to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by the end of his first term:

• Reduced from 24.3 percent last year; in line with the historical trend between 18 and 20 percent
• Close to the tax revenue generated by the economy when healthy
• Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts

Take Immediate Action: Return Non-Security Discretionary Spending To Below 2008 Levels ​

Any turnaround must also stop the bleeding and reverse the most recent and dramatic damage:

• Send Congress a bill on Day One that cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent across the board
• Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama&#8217;s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels

Follow A Clear Roadmap: Build A Simpler, Smaller, Smarter Government ​

Most importantly, any turnaround must have a thoughtful, structured approach to achieving its goals. Mitt will attack the bloated budget from three angles:

1. The Federal Government Should Stop Doing Things The American People Can&#8217;t Afford, For Instance:
   • Repeal Obamacare &#8212; Savings: $95 Billion. President Obama&#8217;s costly takeover of the health care system imposes an enormous and unaffordable obligation on the federal government while intervening in a matter that should be left to the states. Mitt will begin his efforts to repeal this legislation on Day One.
   • Privatize Amtrak &#8212; Savings: $1.6 Billion. Despite requirement that Amtrak operate on a for-profit basis, it continues to receive about $1.6 billion in taxpayer funds each year. Forty-one of Amtrak&#8217;s 44 routes lost money in 2008 with losses ranging from $5 to $462 per passenger.
   • Reduce Subsidies For The National Endowments For The Arts And Humanities, The Corporation For Public Broadcasting, And The Legal Services Corporation &#8212; Savings: $600 Million. NEA, NEH, and CPB provide grants to supplement other sources of funding. LSC funds services mostly duplicative of those already offered by states, localities, bar associations and private organizations.
   • Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding &#8212; Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.
   • Reduce Foreign Aid &#8212; Savings: $100 Million. Stop borrowing money from countries that oppose America&#8217;s interests in order to give it back to them in the form of foreign aid.
   If pursued with focus and discipline, Mitt&#8217;s approach provides a roadmap to rescue the federal government from its present precipice. But that respite will be short-lived without a plan for the looming long-term threat posed by the unsustainable nature of existing entitlement obligations. Learn more about Mitt&#8217;s proposals for entitlement reform: Medicare and Social Security.
2. Empower States To Innovate &#8212; Savings: >$100 billion
   • Block grants have huge potential to generate both superior results and cost savings by establishing local control and promoting innovation in areas such as Medicaid and Worker Retraining. Medicaid spending should be capped and increased each year by CPI + 1%. Department of Labor retraining spending should be capped and will increase in future years. These funds should then be given to the states to spend on their own residents. States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.
3. Improve Efficiency And Effectiveness. Where the federal government should act, it must do a better job. For instance:
   • Reduce Waste And Fraud &#8212; Savings: $60 Billion. The federal government made $125 billion in improper payments last year. Cutting that amount in half through stricter enforcement and harsher penalties yields returns many times over on the investment.
   • Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector &#8212; Savings: $47 Billion. Federal compensation exceeds private sector levels by as much as 30 to 40 percent when benefits are taken into account. This must be corrected.
   • Repeal The Davis-Bacon Act &#8212; Savings: $11 Billion. Davis-Bacon forces the government to pay above-market wages, insulating labor unions from competition and driving up project costs by approximately 10 percent.
   • Reduce The Federal Workforce By 10 Percent Via Attrition &#8212; Savings: $4 Billion. Despite widespread layoffs in the private sector, President Obama has continued to grow the federal payrolls. The federal workforce can be reduced by 10 percent through a &#8220;1-for-2&#8221; system of attrition, thereby reducing the number of federal employees while allowing the introduction of new talent into the federal service.
   • Consolidate agencies and streamline processes to cut costs and improve results in everything from energy permitting to worker retraining to trade negotiation.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I don't care who he endorses. I also don't think anyone but his supporters who already have watched him get run over by the RNC (the supporters as well) will listen to Ron Paul talk about it.

Case in point - the entire crew of GOP supporters in here who keep trying to make a mockery out of the cheating by the RNC because

"Ron Paul wasn't going to win anyway."

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

but even more importantly how many baseline cuts can we expect out of congress? Either party in Congress and they are the ones who determine how much money gores where, not the president.
And Ron Paul is quitting.

If you had the President using the bully pulpit to demand actual baseline cuts? Probably still none. At least such a President would veto any budget and any bills that increase spending, however.

As for Ron Paul quitting, there's Justin Amash from Michigan running for reelection and Thomas Massie from Kentucky is likely to be elected. So there will still be a few Representatives willing to cut spending.

There will be cuts in all aspects of spending as follows:

Set Honest Goals: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP​

Any turnaround must begin with clear and realistic goals. Optimistic projections cannot wish a problem away, they can only make it worse. As president, Mitt’s goal will be to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by the end of his first term:

• Reduced from 24.3 percent last year; in line with the historical trend between 18 and 20 percent
• Close to the tax revenue generated by the economy when healthy
• Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts

Take Immediate Action: Return Non-Security Discretionary Spending To Below 2008 Levels ​

Any turnaround must also stop the bleeding and reverse the most recent and dramatic damage:

• Send Congress a bill on Day One that cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent across the board
• Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels

Follow A Clear Roadmap: Build A Simpler, Smaller, Smarter Government ​

Most importantly, any turnaround must have a thoughtful, structured approach to achieving its goals. Mitt will attack the bloated budget from three angles:

1. The Federal Government Should Stop Doing Things The American People Can’t Afford, For Instance:
   • Repeal Obamacare — Savings: $95 Billion. President Obama’s costly takeover of the health care system imposes an enormous and unaffordable obligation on the federal government while intervening in a matter that should be left to the states. Mitt will begin his efforts to repeal this legislation on Day One.
   • Privatize Amtrak — Savings: $1.6 Billion. Despite requirement that Amtrak operate on a for-profit basis, it continues to receive about $1.6 billion in taxpayer funds each year. Forty-one of Amtrak’s 44 routes lost money in 2008 with losses ranging from $5 to $462 per passenger.
   • Reduce Subsidies For The National Endowments For The Arts And Humanities, The Corporation For Public Broadcasting, And The Legal Services Corporation — Savings: $600 Million. NEA, NEH, and CPB provide grants to supplement other sources of funding. LSC funds services mostly duplicative of those already offered by states, localities, bar associations and private organizations.
   • Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.
   • Reduce Foreign Aid — Savings: $100 Million. Stop borrowing money from countries that oppose America’s interests in order to give it back to them in the form of foreign aid.
   If pursued with focus and discipline, Mitt’s approach provides a roadmap to rescue the federal government from its present precipice. But that respite will be short-lived without a plan for the looming long-term threat posed by the unsustainable nature of existing entitlement obligations. Learn more about Mitt’s proposals for entitlement reform: Medicare and Social Security.
2. Empower States To Innovate — Savings: >$100 billion
   • Block grants have huge potential to generate both superior results and cost savings by establishing local control and promoting innovation in areas such as Medicaid and Worker Retraining. Medicaid spending should be capped and increased each year by CPI + 1%. Department of Labor retraining spending should be capped and will increase in future years. These funds should then be given to the states to spend on their own residents. States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.
3. Improve Efficiency And Effectiveness. Where the federal government should act, it must do a better job. For instance:
   • Reduce Waste And Fraud — Savings: $60 Billion. The federal government made $125 billion in improper payments last year. Cutting that amount in half through stricter enforcement and harsher penalties yields returns many times over on the investment.
   • Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector — Savings: $47 Billion. Federal compensation exceeds private sector levels by as much as 30 to 40 percent when benefits are taken into account. This must be corrected.
   • Repeal The Davis-Bacon Act — Savings: $11 Billion. Davis-Bacon forces the government to pay above-market wages, insulating labor unions from competition and driving up project costs by approximately 10 percent.
   • Reduce The Federal Workforce By 10 Percent Via Attrition — Savings: $4 Billion. Despite widespread layoffs in the private sector, President Obama has continued to grow the federal payrolls. The federal workforce can be reduced by 10 percent through a “1-for-2” system of attrition, thereby reducing the number of federal employees while allowing the introduction of new talent into the federal service.
   • Consolidate agencies and streamline processes to cut costs and improve results in everything from energy permitting to worker retraining to trade negotiation.

What I see there are proposed reductions in certain areas of spending, but no plan to actually reduce the overall amount that government spends. Thus, no baseline cuts to spending.

 

[uscitizen]

And what baseline cuts is Mitt Romney advocating? None.

but even more importantly how many baseline cuts can we expect out of congress? Either party in Congress and they are the ones who determine how much money gores where, not the president.
And Ron Paul is quitting.

If you had the President using the bully pulpit to demand actual baseline cuts? Probably still none. At least such a President would veto any budget and any bills that increase spending, however.

As for Ron Paul quitting, there's Justin Amash from Michigan running for reelection and Thomas Massie from Kentucky is likely to be elected. So there will still be a few Representatives willing to cut spending.

the veto pen has been virtually totally silent for over a decade now.

 

[uscitizen]

Funniest thing that happened today? Some idiot on tv was blathering how it didn't matter who would be president, because they would HAVE to address paying the National Debt.

Oh, yeah, Obama, who is disinterested in passing a budget so he can unleash more spending sans the restraint of a budget is gonna suddenly be transformed into this vision of pecuniary obedience? Nuh-uh.

I'm thinking the voters can put him out of his fiscal misery by letting someone else bail America out of its spendthrift and national debt modes as President, and Romney's the only one who has such a history of cleaning house on fiscal improprieties like Obama calling the Treasury and telling them how the cow ate the jobs cabbage if they didn't write a check out to Solyndra forthwith.

Obama needs practice on his golf championship form, anyhow, so his loafing for the rest of his life on the golfcourse is worth our investment of making it happen.

Yeah like ryans plan addresses paying off the debt starting in a decade or so?

Paul Ryan is not running for President. He has agreed to support Mitt Romney. Where you been lately, th' koolaide stand?

A lemmingaid stand actually watching lemmings follow Rayn.

 

[freedombecki]

If you had the President using the bully pulpit to demand actual baseline cuts? Probably still none. At least such a President would veto any budget and any bills that increase spending, however.

As for Ron Paul quitting, there's Justin Amash from Michigan running for reelection and Thomas Massie from Kentucky is likely to be elected. So there will still be a few Representatives willing to cut spending.

There will be cuts in all aspects of spending as follows:

Set Honest Goals: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP​

Any turnaround must begin with clear and realistic goals. Optimistic projections cannot wish a problem away, they can only make it worse. As president, Mitt’s goal will be to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by the end of his first term:

• Reduced from 24.3 percent last year; in line with the historical trend between 18 and 20 percent
• Close to the tax revenue generated by the economy when healthy
• Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts

Take Immediate Action: Return Non-Security Discretionary Spending To Below 2008 Levels ​

Any turnaround must also stop the bleeding and reverse the most recent and dramatic damage:

• Send Congress a bill on Day One that cuts non-security discretionary spending by 5 percent across the board
• Pass the House Republican Budget proposal, rolling back President Obama’s government expansion by capping non-security discretionary spending below 2008 levels

Follow A Clear Roadmap: Build A Simpler, Smaller, Smarter Government ​

Most importantly, any turnaround must have a thoughtful, structured approach to achieving its goals. Mitt will attack the bloated budget from three angles:

1. The Federal Government Should Stop Doing Things The American People Can’t Afford, For Instance:
   • Repeal Obamacare — Savings: $95 Billion. President Obama’s costly takeover of the health care system imposes an enormous and unaffordable obligation on the federal government while intervening in a matter that should be left to the states. Mitt will begin his efforts to repeal this legislation on Day One.
   • Privatize Amtrak — Savings: $1.6 Billion. Despite requirement that Amtrak operate on a for-profit basis, it continues to receive about $1.6 billion in taxpayer funds each year. Forty-one of Amtrak’s 44 routes lost money in 2008 with losses ranging from $5 to $462 per passenger.
   • Reduce Subsidies For The National Endowments For The Arts And Humanities, The Corporation For Public Broadcasting, And The Legal Services Corporation — Savings: $600 Million. NEA, NEH, and CPB provide grants to supplement other sources of funding. LSC funds services mostly duplicative of those already offered by states, localities, bar associations and private organizations.
   • Eliminate Title X Family Planning Funding — Savings: $300 Million. Title X subsidizes family planning programs that benefit abortion groups like Planned Parenthood.
   • Reduce Foreign Aid — Savings: $100 Million. Stop borrowing money from countries that oppose America’s interests in order to give it back to them in the form of foreign aid.
   If pursued with focus and discipline, Mitt’s approach provides a roadmap to rescue the federal government from its present precipice. But that respite will be short-lived without a plan for the looming long-term threat posed by the unsustainable nature of existing entitlement obligations. Learn more about Mitt’s proposals for entitlement reform: Medicare and Social Security.
2. Empower States To Innovate — Savings: >$100 billion
   • Block grants have huge potential to generate both superior results and cost savings by establishing local control and promoting innovation in areas such as Medicaid and Worker Retraining. Medicaid spending should be capped and increased each year by CPI + 1%. Department of Labor retraining spending should be capped and will increase in future years. These funds should then be given to the states to spend on their own residents. States will be free from Washington micromanagement, allowing them to develop innovative approaches that improve quality and reduce cost.
3. Improve Efficiency And Effectiveness. Where the federal government should act, it must do a better job. For instance:
   • Reduce Waste And Fraud — Savings: $60 Billion. The federal government made $125 billion in improper payments last year. Cutting that amount in half through stricter enforcement and harsher penalties yields returns many times over on the investment.
   • Align Federal Employee Compensation With The Private Sector — Savings: $47 Billion. Federal compensation exceeds private sector levels by as much as 30 to 40 percent when benefits are taken into account. This must be corrected.
   • Repeal The Davis-Bacon Act — Savings: $11 Billion. Davis-Bacon forces the government to pay above-market wages, insulating labor unions from competition and driving up project costs by approximately 10 percent.
   • Reduce The Federal Workforce By 10 Percent Via Attrition — Savings: $4 Billion. Despite widespread layoffs in the private sector, President Obama has continued to grow the federal payrolls. The federal workforce can be reduced by 10 percent through a “1-for-2” system of attrition, thereby reducing the number of federal employees while allowing the introduction of new talent into the federal service.
   • Consolidate agencies and streamline processes to cut costs and improve results in everything from energy permitting to worker retraining to trade negotiation.

What I see there are proposed reductions in certain areas of spending, but no plan to actually reduce the overall amount that government spends. Thus, no baseline cuts to spending.

Exactly what is it you do not understand about "bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP" do you not understand? Spending is presently on a par with the GDP or even higher. That's 80% less any which way you crack it up, kind sir, isn't it?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

but even more importantly how many baseline cuts can we expect out of congress? Either party in Congress and they are the ones who determine how much money gores where, not the president.
And Ron Paul is quitting.

If you had the President using the bully pulpit to demand actual baseline cuts? Probably still none. At least such a President would veto any budget and any bills that increase spending, however.

As for Ron Paul quitting, there's Justin Amash from Michigan running for reelection and Thomas Massie from Kentucky is likely to be elected. So there will still be a few Representatives willing to cut spending.

the veto pen has been virtually totally silent for over a decade now.

I'd like to see it make a resurgence, personally.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

There will be cuts in all aspects of spending as follows:

What I see there are proposed reductions in certain areas of spending, but no plan to actually reduce the overall amount that government spends. Thus, no baseline cuts to spending.

Exactly what is it you do not understand about "bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP" do you not understand? Spending is presently on a par with the GDP or even higher. That's 80% less any which way you crack it up, kind sir, isn't it?

And spending 20%, which is a best case scenario that will never happen, of GDP is still spending.

 

[freedombecki]

Yeah like ryans plan addresses paying off the debt starting in a decade or so?

Paul Ryan is not running for President. He has agreed to support Mitt Romney. Where you been lately, th' koolaide stand?

A lemmingaid stand actually watching lemmings follow Rayn.

Well, at least you're getting your vitamin C. That could cure you of Obamabottery if you have any left after enjoying the first 100 days of Mitt Romney's fiscal renovation of the White House.

 

[freedombecki]

What I see there are proposed reductions in certain areas of spending, but no plan to actually reduce the overall amount that government spends. Thus, no baseline cuts to spending.

Exactly what is it you do not understand about "bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP" do you not understand? Spending is presently on a par with the GDP or even higher. That's 80% less any which way you crack it up, kind sir, isn't it?

And spending 20%, which is a best case scenario that will never happen, of GDP is still spending.

What would your preference be to get spoiled rotten America off the spending tit? At least Romney will be breaking it to us gently.

And it is a start, n'est ce pas?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Exactly what is it you do not understand about "bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP" do you not understand? Spending is presently on a par with the GDP or even higher. That's 80% less any which way you crack it up, kind sir, isn't it?

And spending 20%, which is a best case scenario that will never happen, of GDP is still spending.

What would your preference be to get spoiled rotten America off the spending tit? At least Romney will be breaking it to us gently.

And it is a start, n'est ce pas?

Continuing to spend money that we don't have is certainly not a start to cutting spending. In fact it's the opposite of a start. Ron Paul's plan to cut $1 trillion in spending in one year was a start, and only a start mind you. Romney's plan is nothing at all.

 

[Politico]

Hey guys. You know that Paul dude? We gotta make sure he doesn't win the nomination.

But he didn't boss.

I know. All the more reason we need to stop him.

 

[Dissent]

Lol...

 

[Dissent]

Maine's Ron Paul delegates lose final appeal | The Morning Sentinel, Waterville, ME

Nice. A man with a set on him who is willing to stand up to the establishment..better believe the establishment will endorse a candidate against him.

 

[rightwinger]

Who gives a fuck about Ron Paul

He stole all his delegates anyway