Rob Portman Reverses Gay Marriage Stance After Son Comes Out

[g5000]

In my own lifetime, there was a period back in the day when there were very few people who were okay with a black man marrying a white woman. A black man could find himself dangling at the end of a rope at a Klan picnic if he whistled at a white woman.

There are still people today who can quote chapter and verse from the Bible as to why blacks should still be slaves.

Bigots have long used the Bible as their excuse for no end of assholery.

Thankfully, our country is bigger and better than that. It might take us a while to get there, but we DO get there.

And we will shake off our homophobia and put things right for gays eventually. Soon, looks like.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Did I say that slavery was a good thing?

No, I didn't.

You're certainly doing your best to try to spin it in the most positive way possible.

I'm simply stating the facts.

Of course you are, bless your little heart.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When is the war going to start? I have to stock up on K ratiions.

Patient cannon fodder you'll be given you chance

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So some misguided idiots think gay marriage is ok, and I'm supposed to accept that?
Sorry that duck don't fly.

You're free to think whatever you like.

And once gay marriage is the law of the land, you're free to "accept" it or not. Matters little what you think, because the majority will have made it law.

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

Uhhhhhhhhhh.....that'd be tinder-box.

Stupid Fuckin' Wannabe-Teabaggin'-Historians​

 

[bodecea]

Is it more acceptable to be a drug addict today than in 1953? How about a serial womanizer?

Someone invariably equates homosexuality with pedophilia, or incest, or bestiality. I guess we can add drug addiction and adultery to that list of logical fallacies.

Well as there were laws on the books against it - labeling sodomy a crime - it might be a good idea.

Government in the bedrooms of law-abiding, tax-paying consenting adult citizens......and you think that "might be a good idea"?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're free to think whatever you like.

And once gay marriage is the law of the land, you're free to "accept" it or not. Matters little what you think, because the majority will have made it law.

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

Ah, the civil war porn that you fringe right wingers masturbate to.

Look pal, I'm in the Army, deployed three time, the whole nine. If there is some revolt and you summon up the balls to crawl out of your trailer, worried is about the last thing I'll be when I take you out.

Look pal I don't give a fuck what you say your in. The federal government has been warned by many civilian law enforcement what will happen. You are one that might be in the military their are many more that are not like you who will fight against you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So some misguided idiots think gay marriage is ok, and I'm supposed to accept that?
Sorry that duck don't fly.

You can accept or reject as you see fit. But by every metric, acceptance of homosexuals and support for Same-sex Civil Marriage is on the rise as a function of population. In the early part of the 2000's initiatives/referendums/amendments conducted during general elections passed with margins of victory of (IIRC) 23-76%. By 2008/2009 initiatives in general elections were down to passing where less than a 3% shift in voting results would have changed the outcome (California Prop 8, Maine Question 1). In 2012 Same-sex Civil Marriage questions were on the general election ballot in 4 states and won in all 4 (3 approving SSCM directly and the 4th rejecting an Amendment to bar it).

Not only to the opinion polls show the change, voter reactions in the ballot boxes during general elections also reflect the change in attitudes.


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California Prop 8? Did some circuit court judge over rule the majority of the people?

A federal judge did over rule Prop 8, that decision was upheld upon appeal (so no it was not "1" judge that made the decision) and it is before the SCOTUS so we'll need to see how they rule on the fundamental question before them. "Can a State take away a legally recognized right that has already been exercised?" Which is what Prop 8 did.

North Carolina Amendment 1 passed with a strong majority.

The previous items cited the early 2000's, 2008/2009, and 2012 matched like situations - in that all those votes were during General Elections. North Carolina stacked the deck toward passage by not having the vote during the general election and having it on the Republican primary day instead to skew the results.


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[g5000]

You're free to think whatever you like.

And once gay marriage is the law of the land, you're free to "accept" it or not. Matters little what you think, because the majority will have made it law.

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

Ah, the civil war porn that you fringe right wingers masturbate to.

Look pal, I'm in the Army, deployed three time, the whole nine. If there is some revolt and you summon up the balls to crawl out of your trailer, worried is about the last thing I'll be when I take you out.

Isn't it just wonderful what these loons think of you? Any day now, the DHS and the US Army are going to be shooting us all with 1.6 billion rounds of ammuntion, and locking the rest of us up in FEMA camps and roughing us up.

Good times.

 

[Dot Com]

why do I tend to believe that this is a party decision to "soften" their image due to their disastrous election results in 2012?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

In my own lifetime, there was a period back in the day when there were very few people who were okay with a black man marrying a white woman. A black man could find himself dangling at the end of a rope at a Klan picnic if he whistled at a white woman.

There are still people today who can quote chapter and verse from the Bible as to why blacks should still be slaves.

Bigots have long used the Bible as their excuse for no end of assholery.

Thankfully, our country is bigger and better than that. It might take us a while to get there, but we DO get there.

And we will shake off our homophobia and put things right for gays eventually. Soon, looks like.

Klan? Well tell me sport why do democrats support the klan agenda?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Listen, you know as well as me that it was the White Americans who controlled and perpetuated a grand majority of the US slave trade, period. Blacks couldn't even vote in the US at this time!

Don't be a moron.

Well duh, if you look at a small percentage of the trans-atlantic slave trade, that percentage ending up here then you can say that it was white Americans that controlled it.

Myth: Most slaves were imported into what is now the United States
Fact: Well over 90 percent of slaves from Africa were imported into the Caribbean and South America

Myth: Slavery is a product of capitalism.
Fact: Slavery is older than the first human records.

Myth: Slavery is a product of Western Civilization.
Fact: Slavery is virtually a universal institution.

Myth: Slavery in the non-western world was a mild, benign, and non-economic institution.
Fact: Slaves were always subject to torture, sexual exploitation, and arbitrary death.

Myth: Slavery was an economically backward and inefficient institution.
Fact: Many of the most progressive societies in the world had slaves.

Myth: Slavery was always based on race.
Fact: Not until the 15th century was slavery associated primarily with people of African descent.

Myth: Europeans physically enslaved Africans or hired mercenaries who captured people for export or that African rulers were "Holocaust abettors" who were themselves to blame for the slave trade.
Fact: Europeans did engage in some slave raiding; the majority of people who were transported to the Americas were enslaved by Africans in Africa.

Myth: Many slaves were captured with nets.
Fact: There is no evidence that slaves were captured with nets; war was the most important source of enslavement.

Myth: Kidnapping was the usual means of enslavement.
Fact: War was the most important source of enslavement; it would be incorrect to reduce all of these wars to slave raids.

Myth: The slave trade permanently broke slaves' bonds with Africa.
Fact: Slaves were able to draw upon their African cultural background and experiences and use them as a basis for life in the New World.

Myth: Plantation life with its harsh labor, unstable families, and high mortality, made it difficult for Africans to construct social ties
Fact: African nations persisted in America well into the 18th century and even the early 19th century.

Myth: Masters assigned names to slaves or slaves imitated masters' systems of naming.
Fact: In fact, slaves were rarely named for owners. Naming patterns appear to have reflected African practices, such as the custom of giving children "day names" (after the day they were born) and "name-saking," such as naming children after grandparents.

Myth: Slaveholders sought to deculturate slaves by forbidding African names and languages and obliterating African culture.
Fact: While deculturation was part of the "project" of slavery, in fact African music, dance, decoration, design, cuisine, and religion exerted a profound, ongoing influence on American culture.
Fact: Slaves adapted religious rites and perpetuated a rich tradition of folklore.

Source

Lonestar- what is the point you're trying to make, exactly? None of these point discredit anything that I was saying.

I don't care how the slaves were captured, how long slavery existed prior, whether or not so called "progressive societies" condoned slavery.

All I care about is that in 1850 (in America) it was legal for a White man to "own" another human being, and force him to work for life without pay simply because the man's skin was black.

Blacks were worked to death, raped, beaten, and treated like animals.

Nowadays, that atrocity no longer exists, so we (as a result) are a much more progressive, moral, and ethical society.

Do you agree or disagree with that?

The point that you are really ignorant on the history of slavery, not only in this country but of it's origin.

Not trying to discredit, simply trying to enlighten.


It was also legal for a Black man to "own" another human being, and force him to work for life without pay simply because the man's skin was black.

"Blacks were worked to death, raped, beaten, and treated like animals."

There were exceptions but this certainly was not the rule.

But please link me to historical facts that would prove me wrong.

No I don't agree that we as a nation are a more moral, ethical, or progressive society.

We as a society has determined that slavery was morally wrong, but we as a society also find that the taking of innocent unborn life is morally acceptable.

 

[bodecea]

Revisionist history. Americans never kidnapped any slaves. The africans kidnapped were taken by africans as a result of tribal warfare ans sold to ARAB slave traders.

The left is dependent on ignorance.

Katz, really?

Regardless of how the Africans were initially "kidnapped", the White Americans shipped them over to the United States in 130 degree slave ships (1 of 3 perished), the White Americans auctioned them off (splitting apart families), the White Americans forced them to work on their plantations for no pay, the White Americans whipped and raped them, ect, ect.

Or am I mistaken, was it the Africans that ran the plantations and commerce in the US in 1850 and forced other Africans (in America) to work slave labor?

Be courageous and explain yourself.
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According to colonial records, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man.

By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.

The popular opinion regarding slavery in the United States is that it was a simple matter of racial oppression of blacks by whites. However, the presence of black slaveholders in North America prior to the Civil War shows that slavery was not based solely on color but on economics. Black slave owners, for the most part, were complicities in support of the institution deriving from it wealth and privileges denied to other groups.

Unspoken Reality: Black Slaveholders Prior to the Civil War

The first slave owner in what became the United States was John Rolfe of Jamestown. Now you say he was a black man??????? Since when?

 

[Dot Com]

So some misguided idiots think gay marriage is ok, and I'm supposed to accept that?
Sorry that duck don't fly.

You're free to think whatever you like.

And once gay marriage is the law of the land, you're free to "accept" it or not. Matters little what you think, because the majority will have made it law.

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

more toughie talk from lil'rebnyc1775 Boy, you'd be one of the first to throw their hands up & start squeelin' like a pig

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're certainly doing your best to try to spin it in the most positive way possible.

I'm simply stating the facts.

Of course you are, bless your little heart.

Your concession is duly noted.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

Ah, the civil war porn that you fringe right wingers masturbate to.

Look pal, I'm in the Army, deployed three time, the whole nine. If there is some revolt and you summon up the balls to crawl out of your trailer, worried is about the last thing I'll be when I take you out.

Isn't it just wonderful what these loons think of you? Any day now, the DHS and the US Army are going to be shooting us all with 1.6 billion rounds of ammuntion, and locking the rest of us up in FEMA camps and roughing us up.

Good times.

Only a loon thinks it's not going too happen.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

When is the war going to start? I have to stock up on K ratiions.

Don't bother.

It's within the Republican Party.....


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[theHawk]

It's a shame that it takes a conservative's child being gay to come to the realization that being gay is not some lewd choice made by an individual due to some sexual perversion.

It doesn't matter who his father is, liberal or conservative. It doesn't change the fact that being gay is his personal choice and it is due to sexual perversion.

Bottom line is, no one cares that his son is gay. So why does he now have to try to get everyone else to support "gay marriage". His son's actions don't change the fact that most people view a real marriage as being between a man and a woman.

 

[g5000]

In my own lifetime, there was a period back in the day when there were very few people who were okay with a black man marrying a white woman. A black man could find himself dangling at the end of a rope at a Klan picnic if he whistled at a white woman.

There are still people today who can quote chapter and verse from the Bible as to why blacks should still be slaves.

Bigots have long used the Bible as their excuse for no end of assholery.

Thankfully, our country is bigger and better than that. It might take us a while to get there, but we DO get there.

And we will shake off our homophobia and put things right for gays eventually. Soon, looks like.

Klan? Well tell me sport why do democrats support the klan agenda?

I know how much you want to believe this is still 1950. However, the Republican "Southern strategy" lured most of the racists from the Democratic Party into the GOP long ago.

This is not your grandfather's GOP.

Hell, it's not even mine any more. It's a loon festival now. I can hear them cooing to each other in nearly every topic on this forum.

 

[Mac1958]

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

Ah, the civil war porn that you fringe right wingers masturbate to.

Look pal, I'm in the Army, deployed three time, the whole nine. If there is some revolt and you summon up the balls to crawl out of your trailer, worried is about the last thing I'll be when I take you out.

Look pal I don't give a fuck what you say your in. The federal government has been warned by many civilian law enforcement what will happen. You are one that might be in the military their are many more that are not like you who will fight against you.

Boy oh boy, talk about mixed feelings.

While the comedic value of people like this is essentially off the charts, it's sad to see how badly they've been duped by their radio masters. Now they're all off in the woods playing Rambo and waiting for the big war.

Imagine going through life like that.

.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're free to think whatever you like.

And once gay marriage is the law of the land, you're free to "accept" it or not. Matters little what you think, because the majority will have made it law.

First you better be more concerned with the civil war that is coming.
Between this and the gun issue there is a tender box

more toughie talk from lil'rebnyc1775

loonie toons if you haven't been keeping up with the news I suggest looking at sheriffs of each state that have said what they will do if the feds go against the constitution.