Ron Johnson and Rick Scott want to end Medicare and SS.

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You mean like the working class country employees in Galveston Texas that were able to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and made more than twice the amount in retirement than they would have got with that Social Security scam? Better health care insurance than would have got with Medicare?

Social Security is nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme and Medicare (along with the other Federal Health Care regulations) has fucked up health care in this country.

How about you taking care of your retirement and your health care and I'll take care of mine and we work together to stop the government from fucking everything up? Sounds good?

You mean over 50 years ago?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

These are the facts:

At the end of the Second World War, 1945, the national debt as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) was 114%. By 1960 this had declined to 54%. By 1980, Carter's last year in office, it was 32%. It had declined during the wars in Korea and Vietnam. When Trump left office in 2020 it had risen to 129%.

US National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt was over $31 trillion in 2022. In 1930, it was just $16 billion. The biggest impacts have been defense spending, recessions, and recently, the pandemic.

www.thebalance.com

This was the result of Reagan, Bush II, and Trump cutting taxes for the rich.

Thank you for letting me know I was rich. I never realized that in all of those years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here's an idea - WHEN I qualify for SS, I don't want it 'no matter what the cost'. Just cut me 1 lump-sum check for everything I have paid into it my entire life, and we can call it 'even'?!

That's just like everyone showing up at the bank and withdrawing all of their money. It doesn't work!

 

[easyt65]

That's just like everyone showing up at the bank and withdrawing all of their money. It doesn't work!

Yeah, good thing I mad the comment sarcastically.

Them again, I did not say cut EVERYONE a check. Just give me MY money.

 

[tahuyaman]

The gop has been trying to privatize SS and Medicare for decades….

False.

 

[tahuyaman]

The gop has been trying to privatize SS and Medicare for decades.


That is bullshit. Even Rand Paul went to Canada for healthcare. He didn’t have to commit suicide waiting for an appointment.

The average waiting period in Canada for critical care is almost 7 months. Plus people have been counseled to opt for assisted suicide instead of treatment. Those are facts.

 

[Dagosa]

tahuyaman

The average waiting period in Canada for critical care is almost 7 months. Plus people have been counseled to opt for assisted suicide instead of treatment. Those are facts.

If they were facts, you’d have a reference. You don’t. It’s made up shit. I bet you don’t even know what “critical care” is. Rand Paul didn’t have to wait 7 months. and he wasn’t even a citizen.

 

[Dagosa]

The average waiting period in Canada for critical care is almost 7 months. Plus people have been counseled to opt for assisted suicide instead of treatment. Those are facts.

Canadian family care wait times to see specialist.
You are obviously confused.

How long are Canadians waiting to access specialty care?

Objective To calculate patient wait times for specialist care using data from primary care clinics across Canada. Design Retrospective chart audit. Setting Primary care clinics. Participants A total of 22 primary care clinics across 7 provinces and 1 territory. Main outcome measures Wait...

www.cfp.ca

 

[tahuyaman]

Canadian family care wait times to see specialist.
You are obviously confused.

How long are Canadians waiting to access specialty care?

Objective To calculate patient wait times for specialist care using data from primary care clinics across Canada. Design Retrospective chart audit. Setting Primary care clinics. Participants A total of 22 primary care clinics across 7 provinces and 1 territory. Main outcome measures Wait...

www.cfp.ca

The average time on a waiting list in Canada for critical care is almost seven months. Period. Canada’s system is a disaster.

 

[Dagosa]

Why not those under 30k? The more you make the more you pay.Now if those folks are over 65 I would go along with it.

Maybe you never heard 15% of less then 30k leaves less to buy food then 15% of 40k
Geesus, plus most other taxes are flat rate that the poor pay. Payroll tax they aren’t exempt for but the rich are above a set amount. Plus, business is exemptions give the richer free use of transportation, vacations and services, tax free. You need this app explained ?

 

[Dagosa]

The average time on a waiting list in Canada for critical care is almost seven months. Period. Canada’s system is a disaster.

That’s bullshit. its from bogus libertarian conservative crap shit theymade up....the Frazier institute.
The real real wait Times are posted.

 

[JoeC]

Maybe you never heard 15% of less then 30k leaves less to buy food then 15% of 40k
Geesus, plus most other taxes are flat rate that the poor pay. Payroll tax they aren’t exempt for but the rich are above a set amount. Plus, business is exemptions give the richer free use of transportation, vacations and services, tax free. You need this app explained ?

Is 30k some arbitrary number you made up? Those under 30k most likely already get help with food. Ever heard of food stamps? Ever heard of HUD? There would be no exemptions or loopholes period. Not the rich, not business, nobody, except for seniors 65 and over. Do you get what I'm saying now or do you need me to draw you a picture.

 

[Dagosa]

Is 30k some arbitrary number you made up? Those under 30k most likely already get help with food. Ever heard of food stamps? Ever heard of HUD? There would be no exemptions or loopholes period. Not the rich, not business, nobody, except for seniors 65 and over. Do you get what I'm saying now or do you need me to draw you a picture.

With respect….If I waited for you to draw a picture of why we need flat rate with no exemptions or alterations, it would be a cartoon. It’s not real.
Yes, 30k was pulled out of my ass as a base amount but is the only way flat rate WITH NO DEDUCTIONS could be even possibly effective. BTW, you need look at all the institutions whose existance is based upon tax exempt donations.

 

[Dagosa]

Is 30k some arbitrary number you made up? Those under 30k most likely already get help with food. Ever heard of food stamps? Ever heard of HUD? There would be no exemptions or loopholes period. Not the rich, not business, nobody, except for seniors 65 and over. Do you get what I'm saying now or do you need me to draw you a picture.

BTW, I think we just passed a corporate 15% MINIMUM tax rate which is a flat rate floor to keep entities from paying no tax…..so that in essence is part of what you are after. Sorry, many of the working poor would could literally go homeless when forced to pay an additional 15%. It would be devastation to them and the lower middle class.

 

[Dagosa]

Not the rich, not business, nobody, except for seniors 65 and over.

Ha ha
No exemptions means no exemptions. Some of the most wealthy peoples in America are over 65 and the most poor are younger hardworking in our needed labor force just starting out with in debt.

 

[JoeC]

Ha ha
No exemptions means no exemptions. Some of the most wealthy peoples in America are over 65 and the most poor are younger hardworking in our needed labor force just starting out with in debt.

OK try to keep up.Over 65 and under your arbitrary number of 30K.

 

[Dagosa]

Ever heard of food stamps? Ever heard of HUD? There would be no exemptions or loopholes period.

You don’t get it. The reason we don’t charge the poorer FEDERAL PAYROLL TAXES. ( they still pay other federal taxes) ……is to keep them off welfare like FOOD stamps to begin with. Making them pay tax would strap the welfare system, or 5he se people die. You are literally making the lower middle class, poor. You’re taking 15% of their low salaries, away. Why ?

 

[JoeC]

With respect….If I waited for you to draw a picture of why we need flat rate with no exemptions or alterations, it would be a cartoon. It’s not real.
Yes, 30k was pulled out of my ass as a base amount but is the only way flat rate WITH NO DEDUCTIONS could be even possibly effective. BTW, you need look at all the institutions whose existance is based upon tax exempt donations.

With respect….If I waited for you to draw a picture of why we need flat rate with no exemptions or alterations, it would be a cartoon. It’s not real.
Yes, 30k was pulled out of my ass as a base amount but is the only way flat rate WITH NO DEDUCTIONS could be even possibly effective. BTW, you need look at all the institutions whose existance is based upon tax exempt donations.

Of course some things need to be tweaked but the basic premise of a flat tax across the board when be more than enough revenue to run the nation.

 

[Dagosa]

OK try to keep up.Over 65 and under your arbitrary number of 30K.

Age should have nothing to do with it. If I’m over any age you make up and chose to keep working and earn more then the cut off, …..like now, I should be paying income tax. I’d get no exemption from state taxes, sales taxes, federal payroll etc .

If I’m well off, I can afford to pay more taxes. If you agree, its just the UNDER than. But you still haven’t addressed the tax exempt entities that receive donations from peoples who claim their deductions.

 

[JoeC]

You don’t get it. The reason we don’t charge the poorer FEDERAL PAYROLL TAXES. ( they still pay other federal taxes) ……is to keep them off welfare like FOid stamps to begin with. Making them pay tax would strap the welfare system, or 5he se people die. You are literally making the lower middle class, poor. You’re taking 15% of their low salaries, away. Why ?

You don’t get it. The reason we don’t charge the poorer FEDERAL PAYROLL TAXES. ( they still pay other federal taxes) ……is to keep them off welfare like FOid stamps to begin with. Making them pay tax would strap the welfare system, or 5he se people die. You are literally making the lower middle class, poor. You’re taking 15% of their low salaries, away. Why ?

Because everyone needs to contribute that's why. To be honest who is making 30k besides people who are supplementing their incomes or college kids etc?