Roosevelt: Cold Water Splashed In His Face!

[PoliticalChic]

You couldn't be more wrong.

You could try....but you wouldn't be successful.

This is your work of fiction promoted earlier in this thread to advance your partisan agenda.

a. FDR hated successful entrepreneurs, because he could not find any way to be successful in business. And.....future capitalists had rejected him in college.

But you couldn't be more wrong. This is the reality of FDR's business dealings that you attempt to distort. He is a capitalist of some success.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was, at one time or another during the 1920s, a vice president of the Fidelity & Deposit Company (120 Broadway); the president of an industry trade association, the American Construction Council (28 West 44th Street); a partner in Roosevelt & O'Connor (120 Broadway); a partner in Marvin, Hooker & Roosevelt (52 Wall Street); the president of United European Investors, Ltd. (7 Pine Street); a director of International Germanic Trust, Inc. (in the Standard Oil Building at 26 Broadway); a director of Consolidated Automatic Merchandising Corporation, a paper organization; a trustee of Georgia Warm Springs Foundation (120 Broadway); a director of American Investigation Corporation (37-39 Pine Street); a director of Sanitary Postage Service Corporation (285 Madison Avenue); the chairman of the General Trust Company (15 Broad Street); a director of Photomaton (551 Fifth Avenue); a director of Mantacal Oil Corporation (Rock Springs, Wyoming); and an incorporator of the Federal International Investment Trust. That's a pretty fair list of directorships. It surely earns FDR the title of Wall Streeter par excellence. Most who work on "the Street" never achieve, and probably never even dream about achieving, a record of 11 corporate directorships, two law partnerships, and the presidency of a major trade association.
CHAPTER 1

You left this out:

a. "....he pursued futile schemes to drill oil in Wyoming, buy ships to cross the Atlantic, and sell stamps that were premoistened....tried to corner the live lobster market...lost $26,000 before bailing out.....he assumed that airplanes were only a passing fad, and he invested in a line of airships, called dirigibles,....tried buying and selling German marks, planting thousands of trees, making cash with vending machines,....lost money in his resort for polio patients in Warm Springs, Georgia- and then, to top that off, he lost more money farming the land nearby."
"A First Class Temperament: The Emergence of Franklin Roosevelt, 1905-1928,"
by Geoffrey C. Ward, p. 658, 756, 768-769, 793; Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal," p.24-25


b. "Roosevelt knows nothing about finance, but he doesn't know he doesn't know." Franklin Lane, Woodrow Wilson's Sec'y of the Interior
The Final Case Against Franklin Delano Obama - The Last Resistance


c. FDR became a failed lawyer (without a degree) in 1907
Two presidents, Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909), and his cousin, Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945), both attended Columbia law school, both withdrew, and both were posthumously awarded degrees in 2008.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/02/12/which-u-s-presidents-didnt-earn-a-college-degree-two-of-them-are-on-mount-rushmore/

Never learned to respect the Constitution, it seems.
Neither of them did.





Time and again we see Democrat/Liberal politicians who are either failures in business....FDR.....or who know nothing about enterprise, creating a political milieu that results in a poor economy.....

Such as this:
" In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls “an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton."
Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart

You left this out:

What I left out was all of your spin, the names of the companies are all there in my post, presented in a factual manner.

FDR was a capitalist who represented wall street interests.His NRA was adapted from the Swope Plan. Gererad Swope was the president of General Electric Company. Glass-Steagall was proposed by Winthrop Aldrich (Chase Bank) and James Perkins (National City Bank), who wanted to weaken Morgan Bank.

This was his modus operandi. He wrote this shortly after becoming the VP Fidelity and Deposit Company of Maryland in 1921.

I am going to take advantage of our old friendship and ask you if you can help me out any [sic] in an effort to get fidelity and contract bonds from the powers that be in Brooklyn.
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Congressman J. A. Maher, March 2, 1922.

These are not the acts of someone who hates successful entrepreneurs, these are the acts of a full fledged capitalist.

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

 

[Tehon]

This is your work of fiction promoted earlier in this thread to advance your partisan agenda.
But you couldn't be more wrong. This is the reality of FDR's business dealings that you attempt to distort. He is a capitalist of some success.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was, at one time or another during the 1920s, a vice president of the Fidelity & Deposit Company (120 Broadway); the president of an industry trade association, the American Construction Council (28 West 44th Street); a partner in Roosevelt & O'Connor (120 Broadway); a partner in Marvin, Hooker & Roosevelt (52 Wall Street); the president of United European Investors, Ltd. (7 Pine Street); a director of International Germanic Trust, Inc. (in the Standard Oil Building at 26 Broadway); a director of Consolidated Automatic Merchandising Corporation, a paper organization; a trustee of Georgia Warm Springs Foundation (120 Broadway); a director of American Investigation Corporation (37-39 Pine Street); a director of Sanitary Postage Service Corporation (285 Madison Avenue); the chairman of the General Trust Company (15 Broad Street); a director of Photomaton (551 Fifth Avenue); a director of Mantacal Oil Corporation (Rock Springs, Wyoming); and an incorporator of the Federal International Investment Trust. That's a pretty fair list of directorships. It surely earns FDR the title of Wall Streeter par excellence. Most who work on "the Street" never achieve, and probably never even dream about achieving, a record of 11 corporate directorships, two law partnerships, and the presidency of a major trade association.
CHAPTER 1

You left this out:

a. "....he pursued futile schemes to drill oil in Wyoming, buy ships to cross the Atlantic, and sell stamps that were premoistened....tried to corner the live lobster market...lost $26,000 before bailing out.....he assumed that airplanes were only a passing fad, and he invested in a line of airships, called dirigibles,....tried buying and selling German marks, planting thousands of trees, making cash with vending machines,....lost money in his resort for polio patients in Warm Springs, Georgia- and then, to top that off, he lost more money farming the land nearby."
"A First Class Temperament: The Emergence of Franklin Roosevelt, 1905-1928,"
by Geoffrey C. Ward, p. 658, 756, 768-769, 793; Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal," p.24-25


b. "Roosevelt knows nothing about finance, but he doesn't know he doesn't know." Franklin Lane, Woodrow Wilson's Sec'y of the Interior
The Final Case Against Franklin Delano Obama - The Last Resistance


c. FDR became a failed lawyer (without a degree) in 1907
Two presidents, Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909), and his cousin, Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945), both attended Columbia law school, both withdrew, and both were posthumously awarded degrees in 2008.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/02/12/which-u-s-presidents-didnt-earn-a-college-degree-two-of-them-are-on-mount-rushmore/

Never learned to respect the Constitution, it seems.
Neither of them did.





Time and again we see Democrat/Liberal politicians who are either failures in business....FDR.....or who know nothing about enterprise, creating a political milieu that results in a poor economy.....

Such as this:
" In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls “an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton."
Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart

You left this out:

What I left out was all of your spin, the names of the companies are all there in my post, presented in a factual manner.

FDR was a capitalist who represented wall street interests.His NRA was adapted from the Swope Plan. Gererad Swope was the president of General Electric Company. Glass-Steagall was proposed by Winthrop Aldrich (Chase Bank) and James Perkins (National City Bank), who wanted to weaken Morgan Bank.

This was his modus operandi. He wrote this shortly after becoming the VP Fidelity and Deposit Company of Maryland in 1921.

I am going to take advantage of our old friendship and ask you if you can help me out any [sic] in an effort to get fidelity and contract bonds from the powers that be in Brooklyn.
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Congressman J. A. Maher, March 2, 1922.

These are not the acts of someone who hates successful entrepreneurs, these are the acts of a full fledged capitalist.

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

 

[PoliticalChic]

You left this out:

a. "....he pursued futile schemes to drill oil in Wyoming, buy ships to cross the Atlantic, and sell stamps that were premoistened....tried to corner the live lobster market...lost $26,000 before bailing out.....he assumed that airplanes were only a passing fad, and he invested in a line of airships, called dirigibles,....tried buying and selling German marks, planting thousands of trees, making cash with vending machines,....lost money in his resort for polio patients in Warm Springs, Georgia- and then, to top that off, he lost more money farming the land nearby."
"A First Class Temperament: The Emergence of Franklin Roosevelt, 1905-1928,"
by Geoffrey C. Ward, p. 658, 756, 768-769, 793; Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal," p.24-25


b. "Roosevelt knows nothing about finance, but he doesn't know he doesn't know." Franklin Lane, Woodrow Wilson's Sec'y of the Interior
The Final Case Against Franklin Delano Obama - The Last Resistance


c. FDR became a failed lawyer (without a degree) in 1907
Two presidents, Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909), and his cousin, Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945), both attended Columbia law school, both withdrew, and both were posthumously awarded degrees in 2008.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/02/12/which-u-s-presidents-didnt-earn-a-college-degree-two-of-them-are-on-mount-rushmore/

Never learned to respect the Constitution, it seems.
Neither of them did.





Time and again we see Democrat/Liberal politicians who are either failures in business....FDR.....or who know nothing about enterprise, creating a political milieu that results in a poor economy.....

Such as this:
" In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls “an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton."
Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart

You left this out:

What I left out was all of your spin, the names of the companies are all there in my post, presented in a factual manner.

FDR was a capitalist who represented wall street interests.His NRA was adapted from the Swope Plan. Gererad Swope was the president of General Electric Company. Glass-Steagall was proposed by Winthrop Aldrich (Chase Bank) and James Perkins (National City Bank), who wanted to weaken Morgan Bank.

This was his modus operandi. He wrote this shortly after becoming the VP Fidelity and Deposit Company of Maryland in 1921.

I am going to take advantage of our old friendship and ask you if you can help me out any [sic] in an effort to get fidelity and contract bonds from the powers that be in Brooklyn.
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Congressman J. A. Maher, March 2, 1922.

These are not the acts of someone who hates successful entrepreneurs, these are the acts of a full fledged capitalist.

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. General George Patton saw the inevitability of a conflict with the Russians.

"It is a conflict that Patton believes will be fought soon. The Russians are moving to forcibly spread communism throughout the world, and Patton knows it. "They are a scurvy race and simply savages," he writes of the Russians in his journal. "We could beat the hell out of them."
"Patton," By Martin Blumenson, Kevin M. Hymel, p. 84



2. Five day after V-E Day, the AP filed a startling news report from SHAEF: "Nearly half of the estimated 200,000 British and 76,000 American prisoners of war still in Germany are believed to be within the Russian zone of occupation and Supreme Headquarters has twice requested a meeting or arrangement to arrange their return."
Senate Minority POW/MIA Report, 39."SHAEF Asks Russians About Freed PW's", AP Dispatch, ADVANCE HEADQUARTERS, Reims, France, May 12, 1945

a. On May 19, 1945, Eisenhower signed a cable stating "Numbers of US prisoners estimated in Russian control 25,000"


3. Americans in Soviet custody were "in effect being held hostage"; "we may find a reluctance to return them all..." The realization began to dawn that they may never come home at all.
Major R.W. Barker, 'Report on Conference With Russian Officials Relative to Repatriation of Prisoners of War, May 23, 1945, See Senate Minority POW/MIA Report, 41.

At the time, before he learned the truth, Truman was still in the Roosevelt mode of appeasing Stalin.


See why General Patton was not a fav with either Eisenhower nor Roosevelt?
He was right.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You left this out:

What I left out was all of your spin, the names of the companies are all there in my post, presented in a factual manner.

FDR was a capitalist who represented wall street interests.His NRA was adapted from the Swope Plan. Gererad Swope was the president of General Electric Company. Glass-Steagall was proposed by Winthrop Aldrich (Chase Bank) and James Perkins (National City Bank), who wanted to weaken Morgan Bank.

This was his modus operandi. He wrote this shortly after becoming the VP Fidelity and Deposit Company of Maryland in 1921.

I am going to take advantage of our old friendship and ask you if you can help me out any [sic] in an effort to get fidelity and contract bonds from the powers that be in Brooklyn.
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Congressman J. A. Maher, March 2, 1922.

These are not the acts of someone who hates successful entrepreneurs, these are the acts of a full fledged capitalist.

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

You didn't answer the question:

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?

 

[Tehon]

You left this out:

What I left out was all of your spin, the names of the companies are all there in my post, presented in a factual manner.

FDR was a capitalist who represented wall street interests.His NRA was adapted from the Swope Plan. Gererad Swope was the president of General Electric Company. Glass-Steagall was proposed by Winthrop Aldrich (Chase Bank) and James Perkins (National City Bank), who wanted to weaken Morgan Bank.

This was his modus operandi. He wrote this shortly after becoming the VP Fidelity and Deposit Company of Maryland in 1921.

I am going to take advantage of our old friendship and ask you if you can help me out any [sic] in an effort to get fidelity and contract bonds from the powers that be in Brooklyn.
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Congressman J. A. Maher, March 2, 1922.

These are not the acts of someone who hates successful entrepreneurs, these are the acts of a full fledged capitalist.

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's, they were being advanced behind he scenes by the same players, the corporations and the banks. After WWI capitalism found itself in a bit of a crisis in Europe. Socialist movements were on the rise in Europe, communism found its way in Russia, the capitalists needed to stem the tide. So in Europe the capitalists supported the fascists who violently repressed the socialist movements in their countries.
After the crash that lead to the great depression capitalism again found itself in crisis, though in America the people were only demoralized, they weren't ready to revolt like in Europe. So the capitalists turned to the same methods they used in Italy to appease the masses while still retaining control of the ship. Minus the violent repression of course. That is why the NRA looks similar to Mussolini's corporations. Capitalists are behind all of it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your list was a total fabrication.

It was provided by the congenital liar, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in a puff piece book edited by his son.


Now....for truth....which is my stock in trade:

1. "A few months before his marriage, Franklin began law school at Columbia University. He attended for two years, never graduated, and displayed neither an aptitude nor a passion for the law. He did pass the bar, though, and worked for a few years at the New York City law firm of Carter, Ledyard, and Milburn. In 1910, however, fellow Democrats from upstate asked Roosevelt to run for political office. He quickly agreed. Although historians are unsure of FDR's precise motives for entering politics, a few reasons seem central. First, FDR truly disliked being a lawyer. Second, he enjoyed meeting new challenges and new people, both of which were integral to political life. Third, politics offered him the opportunity to be a leader, which appealed to his sense of self and conformed to his understanding of his role in the world. Finally, FDR's immense admiration for former President Theodore Roosevelt spurred him to try his hand at politics." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Life Before the Presidency—Miller Center


2. "Franklin studied law at Columbia University Law School and passed the bar exam in 1907, though he didn't receive a degree. For the next three years, he practiced corporate law in New York, living the typical upper-class life. But he found law practice boring and restrictive. He set his sights on greater accomplishments". http://www.biography.com/people/franklin-d-roosevelt-9463381#early-life


3. "FDR resumed his studies at Columbia University Law School, which he had begun in the fall of 1904. He never completed the courses needed to receive an LL.B. degree, but passed the bar examination at the end of three years and began a law practice in New York City. In 1910, FDR won a seat in the New York State Senate."
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)


4. "Roosevelt attended law school at Columbia University and worked for several years as a clerk in a Wall Street law firm. In 1910, he entered politics, ...."
Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com



Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????


No where...."worked for several years as a clerk"....then became, excuse the expression, a politician.
His talent....his only talent....was smiling and shaking hands.


Roosevelt was a poor student, a failure in business, and a mistake as a politician.

God help America, when there are so many easily fooled like you.

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's, they were being advanced behind he scenes by the same players, the corporations and the banks. After WWI capitalism found itself in a bit of a crisis in Europe. Socialist movements were on the rise in Europe, communism found its way in Russia, the capitalists needed to stem the tide. So in Europe the capitalists supported the fascists who violently repressed the socialist movements in their countries.
After the crash that lead to the great depression capitalism again found itself in crisis, though in America the people were only demoralized, they weren't ready to revolt like in Europe. So the capitalists turned to the same methods they used in Italy to appease the masses while still retaining control of the ship. Minus the violent repression of course. That is why the NRA looks similar to Mussolini's corporations. Capitalists are behind all of it.

"Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's,..."

Good to see you retreat from that nonsense that FDR was in favor of capitalism, capitalists, free market, or business.

The man was an anti-Constitution pro-dictatorship megalomaniac.

But 'similar to Mussolini's' gets you the same grade as Roosevelt got in school....C+

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

2. Another early policy given high priority by the Nazi government was the organizing of all German businesses into cartels. The argument was that—in contrast to the disorderliness and egoism of free market capitalism—centralization and state control would increase efficiency and a sense of German unity. In July of 1933, membership in a cartel became compulsory for businesses, and by early 1934 the cartel structure was re-organized and placed firmly under the direction of the German government. Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz – Stephen Hicks, Ph.D.


The shameful six include Fascism, socialism, communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, and Nazism.

Franklin Roosevelt fit all six.



Be sure to ask what the opposite would look like.

 

[Tehon]

Now....where do you see references to a sparking career in business...marked with successful endeavors?????

Where????

My intent is not to portray FDR as a master of business, it is merely to show that he was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests. Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business we can then begin to dissect the rest of your bs. You start with a false premise which naturally leads you to false conclusions.

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's, they were being advanced behind he scenes by the same players, the corporations and the banks. After WWI capitalism found itself in a bit of a crisis in Europe. Socialist movements were on the rise in Europe, communism found its way in Russia, the capitalists needed to stem the tide. So in Europe the capitalists supported the fascists who violently repressed the socialist movements in their countries.
After the crash that lead to the great depression capitalism again found itself in crisis, though in America the people were only demoralized, they weren't ready to revolt like in Europe. So the capitalists turned to the same methods they used in Italy to appease the masses while still retaining control of the ship. Minus the violent repression of course. That is why the NRA looks similar to Mussolini's corporations. Capitalists are behind all of it.

"Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's,..."

Good to see you retreat from that nonsense that FDR was in favor of capitalism, capitalists, free market, or business.

The man was an anti-Constitution pro-dictatorship megalomaniac.

But 'similar to Mussolini's' gets you the same grade as Roosevelt got in school....C+

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

2. Another early policy given high priority by the Nazi government was the organizing of all German businesses into cartels. The argument was that—in contrast to the disorderliness and egoism of free market capitalism—centralization and state control would increase efficiency and a sense of German unity. In July of 1933, membership in a cartel became compulsory for businesses, and by early 1934 the cartel structure was re-organized and placed firmly under the direction of the German government. Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz – Stephen Hicks, Ph.D.


The shameful six include Fascism, socialism, communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, and Nazism.

Franklin Roosevelt fit all six.



Be sure to ask what the opposite would look like.

Not retreating, my position is the same. FDR was a capitalist who was advancing the capitalist agenda at the time. The swopes plan was a capitalist supported plan. That the capitalist agenda has changed with the changing times is without question, we are now in a period of undoing what FDR did via neoliberal policies, but in his time he was advancing the cause of capitalism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

You didn't answer the question:

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?

"ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?"
Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart. Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

As for your fatuous query....
I am one of a kind.

If you ever gain an education, I've certainly given you enough of my posts to make your own judgement.



Now a query for you.....
...don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR "was a capitalist "of some success" who represented wall street interests.z'

He was no such thing, as I have proven via his own words.


1. Further....until he was confronted with a possible war....he drummed up hatred for the successful, for entrepreneurs, for any businesses not part of government cartels, a la Mussolini's fascist program.
His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.
And certainly not under the Constitution.


Of course a command and control economy would never be as efficient as a free market.
Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.


His aim, his desire, his fondest hope, was to be allowed into this club: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini....the Dictators Club.



3. "Once we can get past your falsely created narrative of FDR as someone who hated business..."

Nothing I post is false in any way.
Get used to it: I am never wrong.

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's, they were being advanced behind he scenes by the same players, the corporations and the banks. After WWI capitalism found itself in a bit of a crisis in Europe. Socialist movements were on the rise in Europe, communism found its way in Russia, the capitalists needed to stem the tide. So in Europe the capitalists supported the fascists who violently repressed the socialist movements in their countries.
After the crash that lead to the great depression capitalism again found itself in crisis, though in America the people were only demoralized, they weren't ready to revolt like in Europe. So the capitalists turned to the same methods they used in Italy to appease the masses while still retaining control of the ship. Minus the violent repression of course. That is why the NRA looks similar to Mussolini's corporations. Capitalists are behind all of it.

"Of course FDR's programs looked similar to Mussolini's,..."

Good to see you retreat from that nonsense that FDR was in favor of capitalism, capitalists, free market, or business.

The man was an anti-Constitution pro-dictatorship megalomaniac.

But 'similar to Mussolini's' gets you the same grade as Roosevelt got in school....C+

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

2. Another early policy given high priority by the Nazi government was the organizing of all German businesses into cartels. The argument was that—in contrast to the disorderliness and egoism of free market capitalism—centralization and state control would increase efficiency and a sense of German unity. In July of 1933, membership in a cartel became compulsory for businesses, and by early 1934 the cartel structure was re-organized and placed firmly under the direction of the German government. Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz – Stephen Hicks, Ph.D.


The shameful six include Fascism, socialism, communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, and Nazism.

Franklin Roosevelt fit all six.



Be sure to ask what the opposite would look like.

Not retreating, my position is the same. FDR was a capitalist who was advancing the capitalist agenda at the time. The swopes plan was a capitalist supported plan. That the capitalist agenda has changed with the changing times is without question, we are now in a period of undoing what FDR did via neoliberal policies, but in his time he was advancing the cause of capitalism.

"Not retreating, my position is the same. FDR was a capitalist..."

In that case your grade is now 'F.'

Repeat the course.

 

[Wry Catcher]

His aim was Mussolini's corporatism.....not a free economy in any shape, manner nor form.

But it wasn't his aim, it was Gerard Swopes aim and it supports my position that FDR was representing capitalist interests.

Gerard Swope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swope Plan[edit]
In September 1931, Swope presented a proposal for recovery, the Swope Plan. Under the plan, the Federal Trade Commission would supervise trade associations established for each industry. Trade associations would cover every company with at least 50 employees. Associations would regulate output and set prices. Workers would receive life insurance, pensions, and unemployment insurance paid for in part by employers. The Chamber of Commerce and other conservative groups provided enthusiastic support.[5]

President Herbert Hoover, who strongly supported voluntary trade associations, denounced the plan for being compulsory, inefficient, and monopolistic.[6]

In an oral history interview, Leon H. Keyserling said the New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act "started as a trade association act. The original draft of the act grew out of the so-called Gerard Swope plan for Recovery."[7] When asked in November 1933 about an updated Swope Plan, President Roosevelt said, "Mr. Swope's plan is a very interesting theoretical suggestion in regard to some ultimate development of N.R.A"”[8]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

You didn't answer the question:

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?

"ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?"
Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart. Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

As for your fatuous query....
I am one of a kind.

If you ever gain an education, I've certainly given you enough of my posts to make your own judgement.



Now a query for you.....
...don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

I never doubted you're one of a kind, so was the unabomber, McVeigh, Rudolph, Zimmerman and Oswald. But that does not answer the question.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. ".... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”
Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

2. " The undistributed profits tax enacted in 1936 was the first attempt
to strangle business by controlling the allocation of investment capital, as advocated by Rex Tugwell (he had written about this idea in 1933)....designed to force corporations to pay out all of their earnings in dividends, which would be subject to individual income tax. This would not allow accumulation of capital for expansion, so corporations would have to go to the government for credit, and would prevent corporations from saving capital for a future depression/recession, and would then allow a pretext for the government to take over the whole system. What followed was the Roosevelt depression of 1937.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 60.


Taking over private business by regulations that throttle same. How novel.


3. ...., in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
3. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

You didn't answer the question:

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?

"ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?"
Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart. Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

As for your fatuous query....
I am one of a kind.

If you ever gain an education, I've certainly given you enough of my posts to make your own judgement.



Now a query for you.....
...don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

I never doubted you're one of a kind, so was the unabomber, McVeigh, Rudolph, Zimmerman and Oswald. But that does not answer the question.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Clean off your specs, old timer....you missed this:
..don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

 

[Wry Catcher]

PC, are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

You didn't answer the question:

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?

"ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?"
Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart. Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

As for your fatuous query....
I am one of a kind.

If you ever gain an education, I've certainly given you enough of my posts to make your own judgement.



Now a query for you.....
...don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

I never doubted you're one of a kind, so was the unabomber, McVeigh, Rudolph, Zimmerman and Oswald. But that does not answer the question.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Clean off your specs, old timer....you missed this:
..don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

Are you dating Rabbi (BE aware, he and warrior had a thing going)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Meaning that, as usual, you cannot find any error in my posts.

You never will.....just as I will never find an intelligent thought in your posts.


So...your post effectively agrees that

1. Roosevelt was closely associated with Mussolini and Fascism, basing his entire New Deal on same.

2. And all hose who idolize FDR, effectively idolize Mussolini and Fascism.
Raise your paw.

You didn't answer the question:

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?

"ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?"
Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart. Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

As for your fatuous query....
I am one of a kind.

If you ever gain an education, I've certainly given you enough of my posts to make your own judgement.



Now a query for you.....
...don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

I never doubted you're one of a kind, so was the unabomber, McVeigh, Rudolph, Zimmerman and Oswald. But that does not answer the question.

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the John Birch Society?

Clean off your specs, old timer....you missed this:
..don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?

Are you dating Rabbi (BE aware, he and warrior had a thing going)

Gee.....just like a three year old, you'll do anything not to answer the question
..don't you ever engage in self-realization, and consider what it means that you have never been able to find a single error in any of my thousands of posts?




Hope I didn't insult three year olds!

 

[Tehon]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

You can dance around it all you like, but you have proven yourself incapable of incorporating facts to counter your biases.

You must be a government school grad, huh?

 

[regent]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

 

[Tehon]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.