Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

[Camp]

The Paul Revere of his era, ruined at least one career, and that was his own.

So....why do you Liberal liars constantly claim he 'ruined' innocent folks' lives when he revealed that they were communists and communist supporters?


Must be fear of the truth, huh?

His definitions of a communist were as flexible and meaningless as yours. So what is a communist or a communist supporter? Who is given the authority to label someone a communist or fascist and what evidence is required? We probably all have made statements at one time that some nut could claim were fascist or communistic.
Perhaps one that is publicly anticommunist and makes speeches about the communists in all about us is the real communist and the anticommunist speeches are the real cover? What evidence did McCarthy have that there were 205, or whatever number he was using at the time, have for those communists in the State Department?

"His definitions of a communist were as flexible and meaningless as yours."

Really?

First of all,I wanted an admission that he never "ruined the lives of innocent Americans via baseless accusations."

And you provided that proof.


2. Communists were those who wanted to replace the American government and Constitution with Stalin's dictatorship.
Communists answered to and/or agreed with Stalin.

a. "When anti-communism took its toll in Hollywood, the blacklisting took the “deadly” form of not having ones name in the credits, or living in Paris, or not being able to sell a teleplay for as much as three years. This for folks who had no problem with Ukrainian farmers and their children eating their shoes."


b. Roosevelt's New Deal was riddled with communists....paid agents of Stalin. At a dinner party, a number administration officials spilled the beans, spoke openly about the plans to cause a revolution so they can rebuild America in the Soviet's image. "Wirt claimed he had "discovered" evidence of a plot within FDR's administration to launch a Bolshevik takeover of the United States..... garnering all kind of media attention, and even testifying before Congress about his evidence of a "concrete plan" for the overthrow of the U.S. government crafted by members of FDR's "Brain Trusters." "Roosevelt is only the Kerensky of this revolution," he quoted them. (Kerensky was the provisional leader of Russia just before the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.) The hoodwinked president would be permitted to stay in office, they said, "until we are ready to supplant him with a Stalin." The Washington Monthly



Six years after the Democrats on the select committee branded Wirt a liar, one of the members, Democrat John J. O'Connor (Democrat, NY) "confessed in a statement today that he had helped prevent a thorough investigation in 1934 of charges by the late Dr. William A. Wirt that a group of New Dealers were plotting a new American revolution....expressed belief that most of the latter's charges had come true.....there was a deliberately conceived plot among New Dealers to overthrow the established social order in this country and substitute a planned economy.":

"O'Connor Admits Helping to Discredit Dr. Wirt," The Utica Observer-Dispatch, April 10, 1940.

PC depends on and expects readers to NOT check her sources. If the reader clicks on The Washington Monthly link they will discover an article that actually disputes her entire post. She blindly used it because it contained a quote that fit her agenda, but the quote was used to show an example of a false reporting and allegation. Directly following the quote:

"Wirt's provocative tale soon feel apart; his "evidence" crumbled, and Republican leaders decided they didn't want anything to do with the guy. He quickly vanished from the public spotlight."

This is why cherry picking is mocked. The cherry picked quote comes from an article that refutes her conspiracy theory. Click on the link to see for yourself. It is a short article.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Paul Revere of his era, ruined at least one career, and that was his own.

So....why do you Liberal liars constantly claim he 'ruined' innocent folks' lives when he revealed that they were communists and communist supporters?


Must be fear of the truth, huh?

His definitions of a communist were as flexible and meaningless as yours. So what is a communist or a communist supporter? Who is given the authority to label someone a communist or fascist and what evidence is required? We probably all have made statements at one time that some nut could claim were fascist or communistic.
Perhaps one that is publicly anticommunist and makes speeches about the communists in all about us is the real communist and the anticommunist speeches are the real cover? What evidence did McCarthy have that there were 205, or whatever number he was using at the time, have for those communists in the State Department?

"His definitions of a communist were as flexible and meaningless as yours."

Really?

First of all,I wanted an admission that he never "ruined the lives of innocent Americans via baseless accusations."

And you provided that proof.


2. Communists were those who wanted to replace the American government and Constitution with Stalin's dictatorship.
Communists answered to and/or agreed with Stalin.

a. "When anti-communism took its toll in Hollywood, the blacklisting took the “deadly” form of not having ones name in the credits, or living in Paris, or not being able to sell a teleplay for as much as three years. This for folks who had no problem with Ukrainian farmers and their children eating their shoes."


b. Roosevelt's New Deal was riddled with communists....paid agents of Stalin. At a dinner party, a number administration officials spilled the beans, spoke openly about the plans to cause a revolution so they can rebuild America in the Soviet's image. "Wirt claimed he had "discovered" evidence of a plot within FDR's administration to launch a Bolshevik takeover of the United States..... garnering all kind of media attention, and even testifying before Congress about his evidence of a "concrete plan" for the overthrow of the U.S. government crafted by members of FDR's "Brain Trusters." "Roosevelt is only the Kerensky of this revolution," he quoted them. (Kerensky was the provisional leader of Russia just before the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.) The hoodwinked president would be permitted to stay in office, they said, "until we are ready to supplant him with a Stalin." The Washington Monthly



Six years after the Democrats on the select committee branded Wirt a liar, one of the members, Democrat John J. O'Connor (Democrat, NY) "confessed in a statement today that he had helped prevent a thorough investigation in 1934 of charges by the late Dr. William A. Wirt that a group of New Dealers were plotting a new American revolution....expressed belief that most of the latter's charges had come true.....there was a deliberately conceived plot among New Dealers to overthrow the established social order in this country and substitute a planned economy.":

"O'Connor Admits Helping to Discredit Dr. Wirt," The Utica Observer-Dispatch, April 10, 1940.

PC depends on and expects readers to NOT check her sources. If the reader clicks on The Washington Monthly link they will discover an article that actually disputes her entire post. She blindly used it because it contained a quote that fit her agenda, but the quote was used to show an example of a false reporting and allegation. Directly following the quote:

"Wirt's provocative tale soon feel apart; his "evidence" crumbled, and Republican leaders decided they didn't want anything to do with the guy. He quickly vanished from the public spotlight."

This is why cherry picking is mocked. The cherry picked quote comes from an article that refutes her conspiracy theory. Click on the link to see for yourself. It is a short article.

Of course, nothing you ever post is true.

Here....let's prove that.


1. "PC depends on and expects readers to NOT check her sources. If the reader clicks on The Washington Monthly link they will discover an article that actually disputes her entire post."

Far from the truth, I encourage education, something lost on your sort of fanatic ideologue.
As proof of same, I always include the link and source....as you inadvertently showed in your post.




2. I followed the first post, which discussed the Wirt story, with actual proof of the story...This:

I included this authentication in that very post...post #620

Six years after the Democrats on the select committee branded Wirt a liar, one of the members, Democrat John J. O'Connor (Democrat, NY) "confessed in a statement today that he had helped prevent a thorough investigation in 1934 of charges by the late Dr. William A. Wirt that a group of New Dealers were plotting a new American revolution....expressed belief that most of the latter's charges had come true.....there was a deliberately conceived plot among New Dealers to overthrow the established social order in this country and substitute a planned economy.":

"O'Connor Admits Helping to Discredit Dr. Wirt," The Utica Observer-Dispatch, April 10, 1940.


3. Now....why didn't you mention the Democrat John J. O'Connor confession......after all, it was included in the very same post?


Could be that you are simply a Roosevelt boot-licker, and the truth of the Wirt story would prove everything I've said about Roosevelt and Stalin, and their 'special' relationship?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. A footnote, and a significant one: Rexford Tugwell was appointed first as Assistant Secretary and then in 1934 as Undersecretary of the United States Department of Agriculture. The Department of Agriculture was filled the Stalinists.

At a dinner party attended by members of the Department, William A. Wirt testified to Congress that members of the "Brain Trust" planned a revolution, to take over the country.
Rexford Tugwell was the leader of the movement to take over the country and undermine the Constitution.
St. Petersburg Times - Google News Archive Search


a. WASHINGTON, April lft (#> —Standing on tiptoe in his earnestness, Dr. William A. Wirt today singled out' Rexford o. Tugwell, assistant secretary of agriculture, as the leader of a group that Wirt charges with plotting revolution. http://news2.nnyln.net/plattsburgh-...ress-1933-december-21-1934-june-09 - 0830.pdf


2. Tugwell, a Roosevelt favorite, despised the Constitution.
It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said:

"Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63

3. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described." Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union." p. 48

 

[ScienceRocks]

Lol, At least Roosevelts ideas made America strong which lead into the 50's and 60's having the biggest middle class on earth. Reagan screwed this up.

 

[Syriusly]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

True.

And with each inane thread and post she reaffirms the genius of FDR, a president far superior to that of Reagan, and that after all these decades FDR is still able to get the best of republicans and conservatives.

 

[regent]

The anti-FDRer's have their hands full. They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, They have searched speeches, books anything that will counter the people's beliefs that lived during the FDR period, the very people that elected FDR four times in a row. Ironically the anti's got an amendment passed so that FDR will forever be the only president elected that many times. But it wasn't over, the historians in rating presidents added another insult and have never rated FDR less than third best president since 1948, and recently rated FDR America's greatest president.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The anti-FDRer's have their hands full. They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, They have searched speeches, books anything that will counter the people's beliefs that lived during the FDR period, the very people that elected FDR four times in a row. Ironically the anti's got an amendment passed so that FDR will forever be the only president elected that many times. But it wasn't over, the historians in rating presidents added another insult and have never rated FDR less than third best president since 1948, and recently rated FDR America's greatest president.

"They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, ..."

Are you blind as well as dumb?

I've shown dozens of examples of both malevolence and ineptitude.

Resolve to stop lying in the New Year.

 

[Camp]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

 

[Jroc]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

 

[Camp]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.

FDR took over in 1933.

The second Depression, the result of his mismanagement, begin in full fury in 1937.

1. Federal spending went from 2.5 % in 1929 to 9 % in 1936: Washington’s portion of the economy increased by 360 % in just seven years- with no benefit to the economy.

2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .

3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
article - AEI


And Homo habilis, discovering his opposable thumbs, says what?

 

[Camp]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.

FDR took over in 1933.

The second Depression, the result of his mismanagement, begin in full fury in 1937.

1. Federal spending went from 2.5 % in 1929 to 9 % in 1936: Washington’s portion of the economy increased by 360 % in just seven years- with no benefit to the economy.

2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .

3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
article - AEI


And Homo habilis, discovering his opposable thumbs, says what?

Notice that your often used quote by Schlesinger states that "...the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair...". This is exactly what I explained. FDR focused on ending the despair of the masses and made that his priority. The profits of private industry and for the people who were least affected by the depression in regards to the necessities of life and basic living conditions were put on standby.

You have been schooled on the temporary crash of '37 by multiple posters with multiple links in multiple threads but you choose to ignore the facts that don't fit your misinformation. FDR made the mistake of reducing and halting a number of his programs with the hopes that the country had moved forward enough to be able to progress without them. He followed the wrong advise and as soon as he reimplemented his programs the short lived set back shot back to the progress that had beeb made. Within two years the unemployment was lower than it had been in the entire decade and private industry began seeing a long awaited progress.

 

[regent]

The anti-FDRer's have their hands full. They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, They have searched speeches, books anything that will counter the people's beliefs that lived during the FDR period, the very people that elected FDR four times in a row. Ironically the anti's got an amendment passed so that FDR will forever be the only president elected that many times. But it wasn't over, the historians in rating presidents added another insult and have never rated FDR less than third best president since 1948, and recently rated FDR America's greatest president.

"They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, ..."

Are you blind as well as dumb?

I've shown dozens of examples of both malevolence and ineptitude.

Resolve to stop lying in the New Year.

Showing me and board members your dozens of examples is a waste. We do not create FDR's place in history. I have suggested more than once you must get your evidence to the historians; it is the historians that have and will create FDR's place in history not posters on these boards. All I ask is for you to inform we posters how grateful the historians are when they examine your evidence, and how they respond to your help.

 

[Syriusly]

PC shows in each of his threads that Conservatives have never forgiven FDR to leading the United States to victory in WW2, for leading the United States out of the Depression and for giving Americans the GI Bill, Social Security, Unemployment insurance and bank depositers insurance.

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.

FDR took over in 1933.

And unemployment was 25% in 1933 and by 1940- it was down to 9%, and by the time FDR died it was virtually non-existant.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR led the United States to victory against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and at the time of his death the United States was the most powerful country in the world- militarily and industrially.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR brought the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, social security and bank depositers insurance to Americans.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR.

 

[Camp]

Americans continue to benefit from the policies, programs and legacy of FDR from 80 years ago. The best the FDR haters can do is try to compare Reagan, and there just is no comparison. His biggest accomplishment is that along with other world leaders, he helped bring the eventual end to the USSR. Problem there is that his contribution is debated, and worst of all, while the USSR ceased to exist, Russia and the Cold War was only put on delay. We are dealing with the sloppy job to this day. The threat of war with the old USSR, or at least the main body of it, still exist.
Not much chance we will be at war with Germany, Japan or Italy any time soon. FDR beat them into begging to be our friends and allies. It has lasted well over a half a century.

 

[Unkotare]

The anti-FDRer's have their hands full. They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, They have searched speeches, books anything that will counter the people's beliefs that lived during the FDR period, the very people that elected FDR four times in a row. Ironically the anti's got an amendment passed so that FDR will forever be the only president elected that many times. But it wasn't over, the historians in rating presidents added another insult and have never rated FDR less than third best president since 1948, and recently rated FDR America's greatest president.

"They have been searching for over eighty years to find something, anything evil about FDR, ..."

Are you blind as well as dumb?

I've shown dozens of examples of both malevolence and ineptitude.

Resolve to stop lying in the New Year.

Showing me and board members your dozens of examples is a waste. We do not create FDR's place in history. I have suggested more than once you must get your evidence to the historians; it is the historians that have and will create FDR's place in history not posters on these boards. All I ask is for you to inform we posters how grateful the historians are when they examine your evidence, and how they respond to your help.

And there the mindless drone repeats his assigned fallacy yet again.

 

[Unkotare]

FDR extended both the Depression and WWII, adding to the casualties in both.

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.

FDR took over in 1933.

And unemployment was 25% in 1933 and by 1940- it was down to 9%, and by the time FDR died it was virtually non-existant.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR led the United States to victory against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and at the time of his death the United States was the most powerful country in the world- militarily and industrially.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR brought the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, social security and bank depositers insurance to Americans.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR.

Disingenuous BS X 2000

 

[Syriusly]

No, he didn't. You and some others have made that claim repeatedly and repeatedly been unable to make such a claim stand. It is nothing more than an opinion based on speculative and distorted data.

Proponents of the "lengthened the depression" idea use data related to industry and ignore data related to the mass's. Students of the Great Depression know that FDR chose to support the public relief programs that reduced real unemployment and kept massive numbers of citizens housed, fed and trained for future employment. The private industry hated this and in many cases, it did hold back progress in the private sector. FDR was cutting out the middleman, i.e., private sector and put resource where it helped the most people.

By 1940 the real unemployment figure was down to 9%, infrastructure had leaped ahead more than in any time in American history, much of which is still serving America 80 years later. In addition, as a bonus, FDR had quietly prepared the nation for war by developing modern aircraft, ships and other weapons and military hardware that greatly reduced casualties and the time needed to win WWII. By the time Congress finally took the coming war serious and provided funding, private industry had retooled or were in the process of retooling and it took only a little time to turn America into what became known as the "Arsenal of Freedom".

The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.

"

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.

FDR took over in 1933.

And unemployment was 25% in 1933 and by 1940- it was down to 9%, and by the time FDR died it was virtually non-existant.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR led the United States to victory against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and at the time of his death the United States was the most powerful country in the world- militarily and industrially.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR brought the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, social security and bank depositers insurance to Americans.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR.

Disingenuous BS X 2000

All true- no wonder the Conservatives like PC prefer to create fiction to distract from the facts

And unemployment was 25% in 1933 and by 1940- it was down to 9%, and by the time FDR died it was virtually non-existant.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR led the United States to victory against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and at the time of his death the United States was the most powerful country in the world- militarily and industrially.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

And of course FDR brought the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, social security and bank depositers insurance to Americans.

No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR.