Rules of Engagement (ROE) CHANGED...Hurray!!!

[JoeB131]

I don't expect them to care about us. I just expect them to die when they're dumb enough to think they can stick a thumb in our eye (or allow people in their country to do so) and continue to live.

again, kind of a stupid attitude. for the costs of 19 plane tickets, they got us to give up many of our freedoms, put up with a more intrusive government and piss away trillions of dollars on ultimately pointless wars.

Maybe we should try something else.

 

[Anathema]

Maybe we should try something else.

Definitely..... We shoild have carpet-nuked Tora Bora and returned to the Isolstionist (i... no foreign guests) society we should have been to begin with.

 

[JoeB131]

Definitely..... We shoild have carpet-nuked Tora Bora and returned to the Isolstionist (i... no foreign guests) society we should have been to begin with.

Right. Because that's worked so well, 16 years of bombing shit...

 

[Anathema]

Right. Because that's worked so well, 16 years of bombing shit...

Not bombing. No MOABs. NUKES. Literally turn thst area into a lifeless wasteland; with no forewarning.

At the same time we should have been closing every US Government (including military) facility outside the US, bringing everyone home; abd forcibly removibg every nkn-US Citizen from this country. Then closing the proverbial castle gates and telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

His idea to bomb and destabilize Libya was one of the most stupid military decisions ever made.

Given that the Libyan people were going to get rid of Khadafy one way or the other, not really. The point was, Khadafy was so unpopular, he had to hire African Mercenaries to prop up his regime.

He escalated the war in Afghanistan and didn't have a clue what he was doing. He didn't send the number of troops the Generals requested and he had a disastrous ROE. He just got Americans troops killed for nothing and the Taliban managed to reestablish themselves. What a moron.

Except of course, the Afghans themselves failed to stand up so we could stand down. We've had 16 years in that miserable country... what else was Obama supposed to do?

Here's the problem. We can't fight someone else war for them.

You asked "What else was Obama suppose to do?"
JUST SHUT THE F....K UP!
A) You don't tell the bad guys that OUR guys are the bad guys!
Here are comments made that according to a Harvard study HELPED prolong the conflict!
Remember Obama was the traitor who told the world "our troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians," Only an idiot tells the bad guys our guys are BAD!
He and these other traitors also helped the barbarians by telling the world:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost", Certainly gave the barbarians a good old atta boy!
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Or how about the future Secretary of State Senator Kerry(D)
"American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children." Calling our troops "TERRORISTS"!
With this mentality was it NO wonder ISIS regained Mosul,etc. and 11% of Afghanistan is still in barbarians' hands.
So is it NO surprise that the Harvard study found words like the above "emboldened" the terrorist to increase killings and violence after these statements were made to
cheerlead the bad guys and bad mouth our guys?
JUST SHUT THE F...K UP!
B) You NEVER NEVER tell the enemy "oh we will be going away by the end of the year"!
updated 10/21/2011 6:58:45 PM ET

• WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end. U.S. soldiers take a rest in the shade of armoured vehicles at a courtyard at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. U.S troops are scheduled to pull out of the country by the end of this year, according to President Barack Obama.“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

Don't you believe the generals that won WWII were turning over in their graves and not only such disgusting help to the enemy BUT the telling of Iraqis supporting
the US they will now be left alone ....with the bad guys!
Way to instill love for the USA!

Partisan Is Short for "Part-Insane"

Sissyboy Heirguardsman DubDud followed the same GI-killing ROEs, just as another GOPer, Tricky Dick, did in Vietnam. Forcing your Masters' sons to fight under those conditions is the only way we can change them. In fact, they should be the first to be drafted.

 

[JoeB131]

Not bombing. No MOABs. NUKES. Literally turn thst area into a lifeless wasteland; with no forewarning.

At the same time we should have been closing every US Government (including military) facility outside the US, bringing everyone home; abd forcibly removibg every nkn-US Citizen from this country. Then closing the proverbial castle gates and telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves.

Okay, seriously, guy you can't possibly be this fucking stupid.

If you nuked the places that offend you, first, that's a lot of places and secondly, dropping that many bombs would have serious consequences- nuclear winter, fallout, etc.

 

[Tom Horn]

We went to iraq on a LIE. there was no good reason to keep being there.

Even Saddam's generals believed the "lie" so how good does our intel have to be in your expert opinion? You can disregard the facts...that Saddam regenerated his ABC programs after Desert Storm. That Russian spetsnaz trucked the majority of his WMDs into Syria. Or that Iraq was not based only on WMDs in the first place. Since you must have been a past CIA operative or battalion commander to have such expert opinions....you were right?....try this on for size. Bush drew AQ into Iraq to go against our war-fighters instead of WTC secretaries and clerks. And they fell for it and lost somewhere around 12K fighters which was the end of them as a military force. ISIS agreed with your opinion about Barry running away from a won war...maybe you're one of them....are you?

 

[JoeB131]

Even Saddam's generals believed the "lie" so how good does our intel have to be in your expert opinion? You can disregard the facts...that Saddam regenerated his ABC programs after Desert Storm. That Russian spetsnaz trucked the majority of his WMDs into Syria. Or that Iraq was not based only on WMDs in the first place. Since you must have been a past CIA operative or battalion commander to have such expert opinions....you were right?....try this on for size. Bush drew AQ into Iraq to go against our war-fighters instead of WTC secretaries and clerks. And they fell for it and lost somewhere around 12K fighters which was the end of them as a military force. ISIS agreed with your opinion about Barry running away from a won war...maybe you're one of them....are you?

here's the problem, people who had doubts about their being WMD's found their professional reputations trashed. A lot of people doubted there were WMD's, in the run up to the war, both inside and outside the US.

Nobody went to war because 20 years earlier, Saddam killed the Kurds. We went to war because George W. Stupid and his crew told us that Saddam had WMD's and was going to get us!!!!

Bush Lied. People Died.

And , no most of the people we killed in Iraq - about 600,000 of them - were not "fighters" or anyone we had an argument with.

 

[Anathema]

Okay, seriously, guy you can't possibly be this fucking stupid.

Yes, apparently I can be.

If you nuked the places that offend you, first, that's a lot of places and secondly, dropping that many bombs would have serious consequences- nuclear winter, fallout, etc.

The point is not to nuke everyone but to be willing and able to, so they stay out of our business..... while we undo a century old mistake and return to Isolationism

 

[Jarlaxle]

Not bombing. No MOABs. NUKES. Literally turn thst area into a lifeless wasteland; with no forewarning.

At the same time we should have been closing every US Government (including military) facility outside the US, bringing everyone home; abd forcibly removibg every nkn-US Citizen from this country. Then closing the proverbial castle gates and telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves.

Okay, seriously, guy you can't possibly be this fucking stupid.

If you nuked the places that offend you, first, that's a lot of places and secondly, dropping that many bombs would have serious consequences- nuclear winter, fallout, etc.

Naah, he's just as batshit as you.

 

[JoeB131]

The point is not to nuke everyone but to be willing and able to, so they stay out of our business..... while we undo a century old mistake and return to Isolationism

Yeah, maybe if you pick up a history book, you'll understand why isolationism didn't work 100 years ago, and wouldn't work now.

 

[JoeB131]

Naah, he's just as batshit as you.

Says the guy who whines about me in his sig line because I spanked him so many times?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yer hallucinatin', boy.

 

[JoeB131]

Yer hallucinatin', boy.

Yet, I don't waste time thinking about you all that much... but clearly I own space in your head.

 

[Kosh]

The point is not to nuke everyone but to be willing and able to, so they stay out of our business..... while we undo a century old mistake and return to Isolationism

Yeah, maybe if you pick up a history book, you'll understand why isolationism didn't work 100 years ago, and wouldn't work now.

If you really believed in History you would never vote or support the far left.

Proof the far left does not care about history!

 

[JoeB131]

If you really believed in History you would never vote or support the far left.

Proof the far left does not care about history!

Let me know if you ever get to add anything of merit to a conversation.

 

[healthmyths]

His idea to bomb and destabilize Libya was one of the most stupid military decisions ever made.

Given that the Libyan people were going to get rid of Khadafy one way or the other, not really. The point was, Khadafy was so unpopular, he had to hire African Mercenaries to prop up his regime.

He escalated the war in Afghanistan and didn't have a clue what he was doing. He didn't send the number of troops the Generals requested and he had a disastrous ROE. He just got Americans troops killed for nothing and the Taliban managed to reestablish themselves. What a moron.

Except of course, the Afghans themselves failed to stand up so we could stand down. We've had 16 years in that miserable country... what else was Obama supposed to do?

Here's the problem. We can't fight someone else war for them.

You asked "What else was Obama suppose to do?"
JUST SHUT THE F....K UP!
A) You don't tell the bad guys that OUR guys are the bad guys!
Here are comments made that according to a Harvard study HELPED prolong the conflict!
Remember Obama was the traitor who told the world "our troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians," Only an idiot tells the bad guys our guys are BAD!
He and these other traitors also helped the barbarians by telling the world:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost", Certainly gave the barbarians a good old atta boy!
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Or how about the future Secretary of State Senator Kerry(D)
"American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children." Calling our troops "TERRORISTS"!
With this mentality was it NO wonder ISIS regained Mosul,etc. and 11% of Afghanistan is still in barbarians' hands.
So is it NO surprise that the Harvard study found words like the above "emboldened" the terrorist to increase killings and violence after these statements were made to
cheerlead the bad guys and bad mouth our guys?
JUST SHUT THE F...K UP!
B) You NEVER NEVER tell the enemy "oh we will be going away by the end of the year"!
updated 10/21/2011 6:58:45 PM ET

• WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war, one of the longest and most divisive conflicts in U.S. history, announcing that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn from the country by year's end. U.S. soldiers take a rest in the shade of armoured vehicles at a courtyard at Camp Liberty in Baghdad. U.S troops are scheduled to pull out of the country by the end of this year, according to President Barack Obama.“As promised the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over,” Obama said.

Don't you believe the generals that won WWII were turning over in their graves and not only such disgusting help to the enemy BUT the telling of Iraqis supporting
the US they will now be left alone ....with the bad guys!
Way to instill love for the USA!

Partisan Is Short for "Part-Insane"

Sissyboy Heirguardsman DubDud followed the same GI-killing ROEs, just as another GOPer, Tricky Dick, did in Vietnam. Forcing your Masters' sons to fight under those conditions is the only way we can change them. In fact, they should be the first to be drafted.

Where are your FACTS about the ROEs being the same as Obama's?
Please I want FACTS not your biased guesses.
Now for FACTS:
Experts:
Even before the president’s edict, commanders since 2009 had to insure that a Taliban fighter was carrying a weapon before they could authorize direct fire. A unit engaged in combat on the ground and requesting airstrikes must convince commanders — and lawyers — back at headquarters that no civilians would be harmed.
But it is clear that the rules of engagement, which restrain troops from firing in order to spare civilian casualties, cut back on airstrikes and artillery strikes — the types of support that protect troops during raids and ambushes.

“In Afghanistan, the [rules of engagement] that were put in place in 2009 and 2010 have created hesitation and confusion for our war fighters,” said Wayne Simmons, a retired U.S. intelligence officer who worked in NATO headquarters in Kabul as the rules took effect, first under Army Gen. Stanley M. McChrystal, then Army Gen. David H. Petraeus.

“It is no accident nor a coincidence that from January 2009 to August of 2010, coinciding with the Obama/McChrystal radical change of the [rules of engagement], casualties more than doubled,” Mr. Simmons said. “The carnage will certainly continue as the already fragile and ineffective [rules] have been further weakened by the Obama administration as if they were playground rules.”
Spike in battlefield deaths linked to restrictive rules of engagement

 

[healthmyths]

Even Saddam's generals believed the "lie" so how good does our intel have to be in your expert opinion? You can disregard the facts...that Saddam regenerated his ABC programs after Desert Storm. That Russian spetsnaz trucked the majority of his WMDs into Syria. Or that Iraq was not based only on WMDs in the first place. Since you must have been a past CIA operative or battalion commander to have such expert opinions....you were right?....try this on for size. Bush drew AQ into Iraq to go against our war-fighters instead of WTC secretaries and clerks. And they fell for it and lost somewhere around 12K fighters which was the end of them as a military force. ISIS agreed with your opinion about Barry running away from a won war...maybe you're one of them....are you?

here's the problem, people who had doubts about their being WMD's found their professional reputations trashed. A lot of people doubted there were WMD's, in the run up to the war, both inside and outside the US.

Nobody went to war because 20 years earlier, Saddam killed the Kurds. We went to war because George W. Stupid and his crew told us that Saddam had WMD's and was going to get us!!!!

Bush Lied. People Died.

And , no most of the people we killed in Iraq - about 600,000 of them - were not "fighters" or anyone we had an argument with.

A) Prove THAT US TROOPS killed 600,000 people! PROVE IT BECAUSE here is the proof you are a f...king LIAR!
YOU DUMMY IGNORANT LIAR! FACTS!
LESS THEN 16,000 CIVILIANS OR 13% OF ALL DOCUMENTS CIVILIANS ! NOT 600,000! LIAR!

Civilian deaths from violence in 2003-2011 :: Iraq Body Count

 

[healthmyths]

I really don't understand these idiot liars that KNOW that it takes just a few minutes to show they are liars WHY they persist?
Unbelievable in this day when the FACTS are so easy to get!

 

[JoeB131]

Where are your FACTS about the ROEs being the same as Obama's?
Please I want FACTS not your biased guesses.
Now for FACTS:
Experts:
Even before the president’s edict, commanders since 2009 had to insure that a Taliban fighter was carrying a weapon before they could authorize direct fire.

Guy, the ROE aren't the issue here.

The issue is, do the Afghans want to be what we want them to be. And we aren't going to shoot them into wanting to be what we want them to be.

“It is no accident nor a coincidence that from January 2009 to August of 2010, coinciding with the Obama/McChrystal radical change of the [rules of engagement], casualties more than doubled,”

No, the reason why casualties doubled (many of them to non-combat things like traffic accidents) is because we had more guys there. When we drew down after the surge, casualties dropped.

A) Prove THAT US TROOPS killed 600,000 people! PROVE IT BECAUSE here is the proof you are a f...king LIAR!
YOU DUMMY IGNORANT LIAR! FACTS!
LESS THEN 16,000 CIVILIANS OR 13% OF ALL DOCUMENTS CIVILIANS ! NOT 600,000! LIAR!

Okay, your frothing at the mouth aside, the fact is, it really doesn't matter if they were killed by US Troops or not. 600,000 more Iraqis died due to violence, collapse of law and order, etc. because we came in and wrecked their country.

Iraqi Dead May Total 600,000, Study Says

A team of American and Iraqi public health researchers has estimated that 600,000 civilians have died in violence across Iraq since the 2003 American invasion, the highest estimate ever for the toll of the war here.

The figure breaks down to about 15,000 violent deaths a month, a number that is quadruple the one for July given by Iraqi government hospitals and the morgue in Baghdad and published last month in a United Nations report in Iraq. That month was the highest for Iraqi civilian deaths since the American invasion.

But it is an estimate and not a precise count, and researchers acknowledged a margin of error that ranged from 426,369 to 793,663 deaths.