Russian Collusion In A Nutshell

[edward37]

A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Are you saying Russians attacked us?

When exactly?

are you really that stupid ?? When? you must be a dotard

 

[Ame®icano]

Dotr are you just one more apologizing for Putins attack on our election system? that it's all Obamas fault not Putins

What election system was attacked, exactly?

 

[edward37]

Dotr are you just one more apologizing for Putins attack on our election system? that it's all Obamas fault not Putins

What election system was attacked, exactly?

ours dotard

 

[Ame®icano]

A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Some maybe. Others, like myself, recognize that this nonsense is counterproductive. No one is going to jail because they were online trolls. They will never be brought to justice making this a big damn waste of my tax dollars. Also of note is the hypocrisy of Americans who ignore the fact that WE DO THIS VERY SAME SHIT TO OTHER NATIONS

This isn't about "trolls."

A foreign government attacked our democratic institutions in an attempt to damage our country.

But because the Republican candidate unexpectedly won - and that candidate is deified almost as a God by his base - Republicans are attacking the people who are investigating those who attacked the country.

This shit happens in every single election. It only became a 4 alarm fire because Trump won.

Russias goal is to sow distrust among the American people with regard to our political system.
THEY SUCCEEDED in large part because of people like you.

Espionage is not new to the Trump presidency and suggesting it is now suddenly a problem when little has changed is hysterical

Putin didnt care who won..so long as the loser attacked the US from within, Fascist theory is that democratic elections are a waste of time and lead to weak and corrupt governments. He lets Hillary say it for him these days.

BULLSHIT A bi partisan group of congressmen said THERE IS NO DOUBT that russians hacked our elections to AIDE TRUMP

Let me guess, that information was presented by Clapper, Brennan, and Rosenstein.

What exactly Russian hacked? Ballot machines? Voting registers?

 

[edward37]

Some maybe. Others, like myself, recognize that this nonsense is counterproductive. No one is going to jail because they were online trolls. They will never be brought to justice making this a big damn waste of my tax dollars. Also of note is the hypocrisy of Americans who ignore the fact that WE DO THIS VERY SAME SHIT TO OTHER NATIONS

This isn't about "trolls."

A foreign government attacked our democratic institutions in an attempt to damage our country.

But because the Republican candidate unexpectedly won - and that candidate is deified almost as a God by his base - Republicans are attacking the people who are investigating those who attacked the country.

This shit happens in every single election. It only became a 4 alarm fire because Trump won.

Russias goal is to sow distrust among the American people with regard to our political system.
THEY SUCCEEDED in large part because of people like you.

Espionage is not new to the Trump presidency and suggesting it is now suddenly a problem when little has changed is hysterical

Putin didnt care who won..so long as the loser attacked the US from within, Fascist theory is that democratic elections are a waste of time and lead to weak and corrupt governments. He lets Hillary say it for him these days.

BULLSHIT A bi partisan group of congressmen said THERE IS NO DOUBT that russians hacked our elections to AIDE TRUMP

Let me guess, that information was presented by Clapper, Brennan, and Rosenstein.

What exactly Russian hacked? Ballot machines? Voting registers?

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[dudmuck]

A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Are you saying Russians attacked us?

When exactly?

Gowdy says in 2016.
But whether he's gonna do anything about it is a different issue.

 

[Valerie]

Liar. Nobody said Russia wasn't spying on us.
Any idiot knows Russians have been spying on us since the formation of the Soviet Union before WWII....so stop repeating that despicable lie.


The truth is, Democrats were tricked by Russian hackers into giving away the crimes they were committing, and they got caught red-handed (no pun intended).

Russians tried the same trick on the Republicans and failed.
Now the Democrats are trying to blame their malfeasance on Russia and Trump.

speaking of despicable lies...? there were no crimes committed, liar.

...fake news fabricated by fools RABIDLY claiming fake news "malfeasance"
for DNC having a crime committed AGAINST them.

hysterical loons acted as if it is SHOCKING for a political party to prefer a candidate... (gtfo)


and ah oh yeah ho-hum hacking the DNC is the only CRIMINAL ACT committed

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Dotr are you just one more apologizing for Putins attack on our election system? that it's all Obamas fault not Putins

What election system was attacked, exactly?

ours dotard

Be VERY specific and cite for us HOW it was attacked.

 

[Ame®icano]

None of those have anything to do with the goals of the investigation.

Mueller could have achieved the same results if he chose four random people out of the telephone book to investigate.

Wrong. There is a mountain of evidence you are choosing not to see.

 

[Ame®icano]

Doesn't matter how many funny faces you bitches pony up, you know the writing is on the wall and the dump truck Trump is backing up for a haul.

Beep, beep, beep...

Boy....you sure have a vivid yet warped imagination.

Imagination? Nah, rather opioids.

 

[Ame®icano]

A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Russia has no business meddling in our elections and by the same token we have no business meddling in anyone else’s elections.

Meddling... code word for "exposing criminal left corruption and their plans to steal elections".

 

[Ame®icano]

A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Are you saying Russians attacked us?

When exactly?

are you really that stupid ?? When? you must be a dotard

You're so smart that you can't answer the question. Can you?

 

[Ame®icano]

This isn't about "trolls."

A foreign government attacked our democratic institutions in an attempt to damage our country.

But because the Republican candidate unexpectedly won - and that candidate is deified almost as a God by his base - Republicans are attacking the people who are investigating those who attacked the country.

This shit happens in every single election. It only became a 4 alarm fire because Trump won.

Russias goal is to sow distrust among the American people with regard to our political system.
THEY SUCCEEDED in large part because of people like you.

Espionage is not new to the Trump presidency and suggesting it is now suddenly a problem when little has changed is hysterical

Putin didnt care who won..so long as the loser attacked the US from within, Fascist theory is that democratic elections are a waste of time and lead to weak and corrupt governments. He lets Hillary say it for him these days.

BULLSHIT A bi partisan group of congressmen said THERE IS NO DOUBT that russians hacked our elections to AIDE TRUMP

Let me guess, that information was presented by Clapper, Brennan, and Rosenstein.

What exactly Russian hacked? Ballot machines? Voting registers?

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Trump Risks It All … For What?

I don't see the answer to my question.

Let me repeat it: What exactly Russians hacked?

 

[flacaltenn]

Yet you have the Hillary campaign who's manager was representing SberBank of Russia that literally OWNS on paper 1/3 of ALL Russian assets. With ties to the Kremlin and HUNDREDS of nasty oligarchs and mafioso as bank clients. How come NO interest in that? Any one of the 100s of Russian oligarchs/mafia his firm was lobbying for could have EASILY hacked his phone and email.

Or you have Jill Stein, who's campaign for the Greens was JUICED by the Bernie screwing that the DNC did and cost Hillary 2 or maybe 3 states vote wise. SHE was sitting at an RT awards banquet DURING the campaign at Putin's table and got Pouty to hook her up with his top Kremlin foreign affairs people during the trip so she could give them "her plans for relations with Russia". She BRAGGED about it. And in turn RT gave her GLOWING coverage during the rest of HER campaign.

No one in the Russian witchhunt party is interested in that either. Why is that???

After 25 indictments and 4 convictions, it is definitely not a witch hunt.

You including the 8 russian trolls who spent less than $50K? Or the many verdicts that are held up in sentencing because of the hinkinest in how the govt ENTRAPPED many Trump campaign people?

Good for Mueller. He got the big fish Manafort. On something that happened WAAAY before the campaign. You ought feel that good when Podesta or Jill Stein get indicted on "colluding with the Russians". The MAJOR "colluding with the Russians" occurred when the Clinton campaign FINANCED a phony as shit "Russian dossier" based on the fantasies of several REAL RUSSIAN SPIES. Now THAT -- is colluding with the Russians.

But -- you're not interested in ANY of those 3 things apparently.

BTW -- the funnest part is when those russian trolls appear voluntarily for Mueller evidence and discovery. THAT is worth the price of the whole "collusion" witch hunt.

WE did this to ourselves. WE did more damage to the credibility of our govt and our elections that Putin could EVER dream of doing. And Putin thanks you for helping.

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Get this Mr Mod
Sen. John McCain says Trump at Putin summer gave 'One of the most disgraceful performances by an American president' at Putin summit

• Sen. John McCain said President Donald Trump, appearing with Russian President Vladimir Putin at a press conference following their summit in Helsinki, had "abased himself ... abjectly before a tyrant."
• "The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naivete, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate," the Republican senator from Arizona said in a prepared statement.
• McCain's blistering take came hours after the press conference, in which Trump refused to criticize Putin for what U.S. intelligence agencies have said was a concerted effort by Russians to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

Dan Mangan | @_DanMangan
Published 7 Hours Ago Updated 5 Hours AgoCNBC.com

Alexei Nikolsky | Kremlin | Reuters
Russia's President Vladimir Putin (R) and U.S. President Donald Trump attend a meeting in Helsinki, Finland July 16, 2018.
Sen. John McCain called President Donald Trump's joint appearance with Russian leader Vladimir Putin on Tuesday "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory," and said Trump had "abased himself ... abjectly before a tyrant."

"The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naivete, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate," said McCain, the Arizona Republican, in a prepared statement. "But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake."

"President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin," said McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential nominee and current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

He screwed up bigly today. I'm never defending him as "my guy". He's not. But maybe he and Putin know more about this than they will reveal right now. . It PROVES they discussed it. And actually BOTH of them COULD be right. I was skeptical about the evidence because it had been fully compromised and contaminated by 3rd parties pawing all over it. And NOT ONE US Intel operative has EVER laid hands or eyes on the DNC server. Because no one in the Obama admin thought there was an enough of a national crisis to have the DOJ raid the DNC HQs and confiscate the evidence of the crimes as soon as they knew about the hack. If they WARNED the DNC months earlier about the "probing", then the same counter cyber groups would KNOW about the exact attacks. .

BUT -- I read the Mueller indictment and most folks (90% of America) have no idea how they got all those specifics in the indictments without ever having the original evidence. It's clear to me that the NSA collection system swept up and STORED enough "domestic spying data" to make the evidence. Which is interesting, but raises continuing questions about our govt adamantly LYING to us about how much digital data they are collecting and storing from DOMESTIC American communications.

So they probably have the GRU guys dead to nuts on the trail they left for the massive NSA. collection system. BUT --- I'm NOT sure they have the evidence correct on WHO RELEASED those emails. Again, only folks who have been around these sensitive areas would understand that if you find out that some bad actor has COMPROMISED you and can BLACKMAIL you -- the standard solution is to go public with data and make the VALUE of that compromising data "go away". The leadership of the DNC bailed quickly after the election. Donna Brazile said she feared for her life. They have to go to the 4th string to find ANY leadership that would step in.

That EFFORT the Russians put in was too valuable to waste on a "prank". When you run an operation like that, the longer you hold it, the BETTER opportunities show up to blackmail folks later. That's why it makes it perfect sense to me, that the former Admin selectively leaked some crap out to "sanitize" those involved. Also explains why Obama and his folks issued "stand-down" orders on PURSUING the known Russian interference.

Putin's guys probably DID hack into the DNC and Podesta's emails. But I'm not convinced that they RELEASED that information to WikiLeaks. In fact, I'll wager that what WikiLeaks got is a FRACTION of the information that was taken.

 

[OKTexas]

Hey, great deflection.


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Deflection from what? You telling me what I know and don't know?

Great to see you believe in fairy tales, because you have no evidence on Trump or his campaign.


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[OKTexas]

which is?

sounds more like you're taking a lot of circumstantial crap and making it positive and true.

Read the latest indictment. It is very specific on who did what and when.

And no American cooperation.


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[Ame®icano]

Dotr are you just one more apologizing for Putins attack on our election system? that it's all Obamas fault not Putins

What election system was attacked, exactly?

ours dotard

Our system? Like what?

Be specific, shitstain. What did they attacked, how they did it.

 

[Valerie]

Be VERY specific and cite for us HOW it was attacked.

The defendants are charged with conspiracy against the United States, identity theft, and money laundering.

“The object of the conspiracy was to hack into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the indictment states.

The indictment lays out in more detail than previously known how the hacking worked. While the federal government released an intelligence document explaining its conclusions, it offered little hard evidence. Mueller marshals more detailed forensic evidence, recording specific actions, down to searches run and files deleted.

According to Mueller, the GRU, Russia’s main foreign-intelligence agency, conducted the operation with the intention of interfering with the election. One unit was charged with hacking, while another had responsibility for spreading what was known.

The hacking unit used two methods. The first was spearphishing—sending emails intended to trick users into divulging user names and passwords. This was already known to be the method by which hackers got into Podesta’s email. The second was to hack into computer networks, installing malware that allowed them to spy on users, capture keystrokes, take screenshots, and steal files. In addition to the Democratic targets, the Russians allegedly tinkered with hacking state boards of election. Various reports have speculated on whether the Russians did, in fact, break into state election functions, and the indictment provides an answer.

To get the documents out, the second GRU unit created two front personas. One, called DCLeaks, released an early tranche of Podesta emails. The second, Guccifer 2.0, took his name from an earlier Romanian hacker, who became famous for releasing pictures of former President George W. Bush’s paintings. Though they pretended to be Americans and a Romanian, respectively, both DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 were Russian intelligence, Mueller charges. To cover up their tracks, they set up a network outside Russia, paid for with cryptocurrencies.

The indictment states that the GRU officials corresponded with several Americans. For example, in August, Guccifer 2.0 “wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, ‘thank u for writing back … do u find anyting [sic] interesting in the docs i posted?’” Previous investigations have already revealed that that individual was Roger Stone, the sometime Trump adviser and former business partner of Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.


The indictment also says that the GRU used an outside organization to help disseminate the documents. Though it is not named, the details indicate it is WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has insisted that his organization’s source for documents was not the Russian state.

The indictment also says that in August 2016, an unnamed U.S. congressional campaign requested stolen documents from Guccifer 2.0. The hackers provided that information.


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Mueller Indicts 12 Russians in 2016 Election Email Hack - The Atlantic

 

[Ame®icano]

A few years ago, Republicans would hammer Democrats for being soft on countries who attacked America.

Today they rationalize it.

Are you saying Russians attacked us?

When exactly?

Gowdy says in 2016.
But whether he's gonna do anything about it is a different issue.

Gowdy says they attacked us. OK, what did they do exactly?

Some say they meddled, some say they hacked, some say they interfered. What exactly Russians did?

 

[Valerie]

Full transcript: FBI Director testifies on Russian interference in 2016 election

So We Find Out FBI Has Been Investigating Trump Since July


"The Russian active measures campaign may have begun as early as 2015, when Russian intelligence services launched a series of spear fishing attacks designed to penetrate the computers of a broad array of Washington based Democratic and Republican party organizations, think tanks and other entities. This continued at least through the winter of 2016.

While at first the hacking may have been intended solely for the collection of foreign intelligence. In mid-2016 the Russians weapon eyes the stolen data and used platforms established by the Intel services, such as D.C. leaks in existing third-party channels like WikiLeaks to dump the documents. The stolen documents were almost uniformly damaging to the candidate Putin despised, Hillary Clinton. And by forcing her campaign to constantly respond to the daily drip of disclosures, the releases greatly benefited Donald Trump's campaign.

None of these facts is seriously in question. And they're reflected in the consensus conclusion of our intelligence agencies.

We will never know whether the Russian intervention was determinative in such a close election. Indeed, it is unknowable in a campaign to which so many small changes could have dictated a different result. More importantly, and for the purposes of our investigation, it simply does not matter.

What does matter is this, the Russians successfully meddled in our democracy and our intelligence agencies have concluded they will do so again. Ours is not the first democracy to be attacked by the Russians in this way. Russian intelligence has been simile interfering in the internal and political affairs of our European and other allies for decades.


What is striking here is the degree to which the Russians were willing to undertake such an audacious and risky action against the most powerful nation on Earth. That ought to be a warning to us that if we thought that the Russians would not dare to so blatantly interfere in our affairs, we were wrong.

And if we do not do our very best to understand how the Russians accomplished this unprecedented attack on our democracy and what we need to do to protect ourselves in the future, we will only have ourselves to blame.

We know a lot about the Russian operation, about the way they amplified the damage their hacking and dumping of stolen documents was causing through the use of slick propaganda like R.T., the Kremlin's media arm. But there is a lot we don't know.

Most important, we do not yet know whether the Russians have the help of U.S. citizens including people associated with the Trump campaign. Many of the Trump's campaign personnel, including the president himself, have ties to Russia and Russian interests. This is of course no crime. On the other hand, if the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it aided or abetted the Russians, it would not only be a serious crime, it would also represent one of the most shocking betrayals of democracy in history."




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