Sabra and Shatila: 30 Years Ago Today

[irosie91]

Except you're the one who resurrected this thread yesterday after it was quiet for nearly two months, Hossie. What's the matter, is your memory playing tricks on you? Do you remember yesterday?

I wanted you to get the blame, George. You deserve it.

Credit where credit is due"

"Let me tell you about what life is like for the Palestinians I know still living in Sabra and Shatila. More than 9,000 refugees live within one square kilometer. Most of the dwellings are overcrowded, damp, and poorly ventilated; some have tin roofs.

"Open sewage systems run through the camps.

"The population is vulnerable to hostilities between various political factions. Refugees are denied the right to work in most jobs. Impoverished, they depend on an already overworked and underfunded UNRWA for basic health services and education.
"Inadequate nutrition, chronic illnesses and poor health are common.

"Children are deprived of a good education. Many refugees have never been out of their
camp! Third and fourth generations are being born, growing up, and dying in these camps. It is bleak and appalling.

"The future holds little hope for any improvement in their lives."

All because 650,000 of the "Treasured Ones" inflicted a Jewish State by force of arms upon
a majority of Palestinians in 1948.

A letter to the IDF soldiers at Sabra and Shatila | +972 Magazine

The letter which tinnie cites describes the lives of TENS OF MILLIONS
of muslim children in islamic shit holes.

My own husband was born in an islamic shit hole----MORE THAN 65 years
ago Tinnie's letter is a good description of the lives of the children there.
In fact the lives of the muslim children in that islamic shit hole is ----basically
the same. Descriptions of arab/muslim villages ----specifically in JERUSALEM
were something like that 150 years ago too.

When hubby reached palestine----he was HOSPITALIZED ---
He survived because his parents had escaped the islamic shit hole which
remains an islamic shit hole even though it has gotten rid of all of its jews.

for the record----the country is rich in oil-----

Muslims have been blaming jews for islamic filth and illiteracy for 1400
years------somethings never change

 

[georgephillip]

Because they're "Treasured", fool.

Should've treasured them. Fools.

Mention that to the fictional Moses:

"In the Hebrew Bible, (or the Tanakh), called the 'Old Testament' by Christians, the 'Treasured People' is the exact phrase used in the text, referring to the Hebrews/Israelites.

"In the Book of Deuteronomy, YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his 'treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth' (Deuteronomy 7:6).

"As mentioned in the Book of Exodus, the Hebrew people are God's chosen people, and from them shall come the Messiah, or redeemer of the world.

"The Israelites also possess the 'Word of God' and/or the 'Law of God' in the form of the Torah as communicated by God to Moses."

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you "treasured". drivel?
Did YHWH proclaim it?

 

[Hossfly]

Because they're "Treasured", fool.

Should've treasured them. Fools.

Mention that to the fictional Moses:

"In the Hebrew Bible, (or the Tanakh), called the 'Old Testament' by Christians, the 'Treasured People' is the exact phrase used in the text, referring to the Hebrews/Israelites.

"In the Book of Deuteronomy, YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his 'treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth' (Deuteronomy 7:6).

"As mentioned in the Book of Exodus, the Hebrew people are God's chosen people, and from them shall come the Messiah, or redeemer of the world.

"The Israelites also possess the 'Word of God' and/or the 'Law of God' in the form of the Torah as communicated by God to Moses."

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you "treasured". drivel?
Did YHWH proclaim it?

Do you dispute YHWH?

 

[irosie91]

anyone know how to say "TREASURED PEOPLE" in hebrew? is the word in the bible AM (people or nation) or Goy (nation)???

an interesting aspect of the bible is the use of the word CHOOSE---In order
to understand why the word shows up so much in the first book-----you need
a brain-----but it relates to the concept of FATE vs FREE CHOICE The theme ---of fate vs free choice is important in lots of ancient writings -----it is a major theme of the Odyssey

 

[georgephillip]

Should've treasured them. Fools.

Mention that to the fictional Moses:

"In the Hebrew Bible, (or the Tanakh), called the 'Old Testament' by Christians, the 'Treasured People' is the exact phrase used in the text, referring to the Hebrews/Israelites.

"In the Book of Deuteronomy, YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his 'treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth' (Deuteronomy 7:6).

"As mentioned in the Book of Exodus, the Hebrew people are God's chosen people, and from them shall come the Messiah, or redeemer of the world.

"The Israelites also possess the 'Word of God' and/or the 'Law of God' in the form of the Torah as communicated by God to Moses."

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you "treasured". drivel?
Did YHWH proclaim it?

Do you dispute YHWH?

And the Easter Bunny.

 

[georgephillip]

anyone know how to say "TREASURED PEOPLE" in hebrew? is the word in the bible AM (people or nation) or Goy (nation)???

an interesting aspect of the bible is the use of the word CHOOSE---In order
to understand why the word shows up so much in the first book-----you need
a brain-----but it relates to the concept of FATE vs FREE CHOICE The theme ---of fate vs free choice is important in lots of ancient writings -----it is a major theme of the Odyssey

Speaking of "Treasure People"

"What about robber barons? We don’t talk much about monopoly power these days; antitrust enforcement largely collapsed during the Reagan years and has never really recovered.

"Yet Barry Lynn and Phillip Longman of the New America Foundation argue, persuasively in my view, that increasing business concentration could be an important factor in stagnating demand for labor, as corporations use their growing monopoly power to raise prices without passing the gains on to their employees.

Robots and Robber Barons | Common Dreams

 

[irosie91]

obviously "TREASURED PEOPLE" is a translation of something. I am a bit familiar with the TERMS used in the literature I would not translate any of them as "TREASURED" ------but I can imagine that some translators would There is a term which is sometimes more accurately translated ----sorta as -----intimate friend ,<< but even that one is a poor translation-----of a term which implies a very close relationship based on deep understanding

 

[georgephillip]

"In the Hebrew Bible, (or the Tanakh), called the 'Old Testament' by Christians, the 'Treasured People' is the exact phrase used in the text, referring to the Hebrews/Israelites.

"In the Book of Deuteronomy, YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his 'treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth' (Deuteronomy 7:6).

"As mentioned in the Book of Exodus, the Hebrew people are God's chosen people, and from them shall come the Messiah, or redeemer of the world. The Israelites also possess the 'Word of God' and/or the 'Law of God' in the form of the Torah as communicated by God to Moses.

"In Judaism, chosenness is the belief that the Jews are a people chosen to be in a covenant with God. 'The Jewish idea of being chosen is first found in the Torah (five books of Moses) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. This status carries both responsibilities and blessings as described in the Biblical covenants with God. Much is written about this topic in rabbinic literature.'"

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you "chosen" or "Treasured" or "deep"?
Or just plain full of shit?

 

[MHunterB]

Georgie, you seem unable to understand what "chosen to be in a covenant with God" means in the context above.

It simply means that we were the ones He chose for the Sinai Covenant: other nations/peoples were chosen for other Covenants, etc. All of the details are not in the Torah, since it's focused on the history of the Jewish People with GOD. I imagine that other Peoples have their own witnesses to their relationships with Him......

It has nothing to do with 'robber barons' and certainly doesn't mean we think we're 'better' than other tribes.

Glad I could help clear that up for you - maybe you'll stop posting stupid nonsense now?

 

[Hossfly]

"In the Hebrew Bible, (or the Tanakh), called the 'Old Testament' by Christians, the 'Treasured People' is the exact phrase used in the text, referring to the Hebrews/Israelites.

"In the Book of Deuteronomy, YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his 'treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth' (Deuteronomy 7:6).

"As mentioned in the Book of Exodus, the Hebrew people are God's chosen people, and from them shall come the Messiah, or redeemer of the world. The Israelites also possess the 'Word of God' and/or the 'Law of God' in the form of the Torah as communicated by God to Moses.

"In Judaism, chosenness is the belief that the Jews are a people chosen to be in a covenant with God. 'The Jewish idea of being chosen is first found in the Torah (five books of Moses) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. This status carries both responsibilities and blessings as described in the Biblical covenants with God. Much is written about this topic in rabbinic literature.'"

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you "chosen" or "Treasured" or "deep"?
Or just plain full of shit?

Looks like Georgie Boy has a problem if Jews think they are chosen, treasured or special. Do you have a problem if the people who belong to other religions think their religion is the best, Georgie Boy, and if you weren't such a Jew hater, you would admit that they do. As another Muslim on another message board once said -- Islam is not just for the Arabs or the Iranians but for the entire world. Don't you think most Muslims think that way? If Muslims didn't think that way, they wouldn't have invaded countries and forced people to convert and they would be tolerant toward people of other religions.. Even now in the 21st century, there are Muslims kidnapping Hindu and Christian girls and forcing them to convert to Islam. I doubt most Jews think they are chosen over other people as being the best. Here, read a satire and you can see how Jews make fun of it. One thing I think you have been chosen for, Georgie Boy, is to sit in your apartment day and night, night and day, posting, away and never leaving your apartment to have any enjoyment when there is so much to do in a big city as Los Angeles. Why, Georgie Boy, you could stand in front of a mosque and yell out that the Muslims are "full of shit" as to what they believe in. See how big that would go over.

SatireWire | GOD NAMES NEXT "CHOSEN PEOPLE"; IT'S JEWS AGAIN

 

[georgephillip]

"The chosenness refers to a specific set of responsibilities beyond the Seven Laws of Noah given to all mankind.

"Every child of Noah (non-Jew) has the responsibility to live by the seven Noahide laws.

"Though not held by authority figures of the religious Jews around the world, there are people[who?] with the opinion that the acceptance to adhere to the laws and commandments of Judaism make the chosen character as one of the Jewish people choosing to be in the covenant with God and not the other way around.

"The usual Orthodox thinking states that even completely secular Jews are part of the Jewish nation and are 'full-fledged' Jews."

Are you "full-fledged Jew", Hossie?

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hossfly]

"The chosenness refers to a specific set of responsibilities beyond the Seven Laws of Noah given to all mankind.

"Every child of Noah (non-Jew) has the responsibility to live by the seven Noahide laws.

"Though not held by authority figures of the religious Jews around the world, there are people[who?] with the opinion that the acceptance to adhere to the laws and commandments of Judaism make the chosen character as one of the Jewish people choosing to be in the covenant with God and not the other way around.

"The usual Orthodox thinking states that even completely secular Jews are part of the Jewish nation and are 'full-fledged' Jews."

Are you "full-fledged Jew", Hossie?

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drivel.

 

[irosie91]

The damour massacre happened after the sabra and shatilla massacre....they were both inexcusable crimes

wrong---the Damour massacre PRECEDED that maronite action at Sabra and shatilla
Sharon was the commander of ISRAELI FORCES-----the REALITY is that the
JIHADIST MILITANTS in Sabra and shatilla were HEAVILY armed------islamo nazi
pigs LIE when they claim they were unarmed. The christian phalangists entered and
a battle ensued between the people in the camp and the christian phalangists ----but
the phalangists WON -----clearly it was not an even handed fight . As commander of
a OUTSIDE FORCE-----facing internecine violence in another country----Sharon
was actually NOT IN A POSITION to send his own troops into the fray He could
have faced court martial for that too----keep in mind----Sabra and Shatilla was
LEBANESE FIGHTING LEBANESE -----if sharon lost men -----he would have
to face the fact that he lost men getting involved in a battle of Lebanese
fighting Lebanese gee you people are STUPID Imagine if an
american commander in Afghanistan or pakistan sent his men to
intervene in a fight between sunni and shiiite pigs Of course
I do understand that islamo nazi pigs HAVE to blame all their
problems on JOOOOOOS allah says so

 

[georgephillip]

"The chosenness refers to a specific set of responsibilities beyond the Seven Laws of Noah given to all mankind.

"Every child of Noah (non-Jew) has the responsibility to live by the seven Noahide laws.

"Though not held by authority figures of the religious Jews around the world, there are people[who?] with the opinion that the acceptance to adhere to the laws and commandments of Judaism make the chosen character as one of the Jewish people choosing to be in the covenant with God and not the other way around.

"The usual Orthodox thinking states that even completely secular Jews are part of the Jewish nation and are 'full-fledged' Jews."

Are you "full-fledged Jew", Hossie?

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drivel.

Don't be afraid, Hossie.
What's your thinking on the "Equality of Souls?"
(Are you leaning toward Orthodox or Reformed?)

 

[irosie91]

I mention Palestine in my replies but I refer to other Muslim countries because it is an analogy and metaphorical. Can't you get away from your Tinmore-like arguments?And if you don't want to be called a Muslim, stop acting like one. As for your Christian "piety," I have never in my life heard Christian people defile Jews until you started your ranting and raving.

Sherri

Are you finished, Sherri? Meanwhile, everyone can see that Sherri never blames the Muslims for what they have done and what they are still doing? We have learned that Muslims must never say anything bad against other Muslims. Are you taking Bible lessons at
some madrassa, Sherri? Some of your posts have been sent to people who actually have had Bible lessons practically all their lives and who study the Bible every day, thus not getting their information on the Internet where people can be pretend Christians, have classified you as a phony. You can keep on all you want to, Sherri, about how good a
Christian you are, but to many readers this just don't make it so.

Sherri is doing on the message boards that which fourth rate lawyers do in
the court room----she is NARROWING THE PARAMETERS of the discussion
in order to EXCLUDE anything which contradicts HER OWN ALLEGATION AND
POV. She decides on the TIME WINDOW for the discussion----on the absolute
geographical issues-----she has even demanded that no one discuss anything about
the middle east other then the specific fatalities that SHE decides are "IMPORTANT".

She also LIES She decided on a definition of "murder" which does not even
exist "unlawful killing" and then comes up with "unlawful killing" as being any
death which can possibly be construed to be related to an "unlawful act" as SHE DEFINES the unlawfullnes of the act using absurd sophistry. I assure you---lawyers do
LIE as to the nature of laws-----rignt there in court rooms----I have witnessed it ----I have seen a lot of really lousy lawyers at work. Using similarly absurd sophistry she LEGALIZED or declares IRRELEVANT atrocities comitted by those whose asses she licks

 

[ima]

Sherri

Are you finished, Sherri? Meanwhile, everyone can see that Sherri never blames the Muslims for what they have done and what they are still doing? We have learned that Muslims must never say anything bad against other Muslims. Are you taking Bible lessons at
some madrassa, Sherri? Some of your posts have been sent to people who actually have had Bible lessons practically all their lives and who study the Bible every day, thus not getting their information on the Internet where people can be pretend Christians, have classified you as a phony. You can keep on all you want to, Sherri, about how good a
Christian you are, but to many readers this just don't make it so.

Sherri is doing on the message boards that which fourth rate lawyers do in
the court room----she is NARROWING THE PARAMETERS of the discussion
in order to EXCLUDE anything which contradicts HER OWN ALLEGATION AND
POV. She decides on the TIME WINDOW for the discussion----on the absolute
geographical issues-----she has even demanded that no one discuss anything about
the middle east other then the specific fatalities that SHE decides are "IMPORTANT".

She also LIES She decided on a definition of "murder" which does not even
exist "unlawful killing" and then comes up with "unlawful killing" as being any
death which can possibly be construed to be related to an "unlawful act" as SHE DEFINES the unlawfullnes of the act using absurd sophistry. I assure you---lawyers do
LIE as to the nature of laws-----rignt there in court rooms----I have witnessed it ----I have seen a lot of really lousy lawyers at work. Using similarly absurd sophistry she LEGALIZED or declares IRRELEVANT atrocities comitted by those whose asses she licks

iro, when this happened, were you already retired?

 

[Hossfly]

"The chosenness refers to a specific set of responsibilities beyond the Seven Laws of Noah given to all mankind.

"Every child of Noah (non-Jew) has the responsibility to live by the seven Noahide laws.

"Though not held by authority figures of the religious Jews around the world, there are people[who?] with the opinion that the acceptance to adhere to the laws and commandments of Judaism make the chosen character as one of the Jewish people choosing to be in the covenant with God and not the other way around.

"The usual Orthodox thinking states that even completely secular Jews are part of the Jewish nation and are 'full-fledged' Jews."

Are you "full-fledged Jew", Hossie?

Chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drivel.

Don't be afraid, Hossie.
What's your thinking on the "Equality of Souls?"
(Are you leaning toward Orthodox or Reformed?)

What a ridiculous man Georgie Boy is. It seems that the Jew haters can't stand anyone sticking up for the Jews or Israel so they have to claim that person is Jewish. Millions of American people who are not Jewish stick up for the Jews and Israel, and if you got out of your Section 8 apartment once in a while you would realize this. Maybe Georgie Boy can explain to us why the Muslims were chosen to be against anyone who is not of their religion and even against Muslims of a different sect. I guess Georgie Boy would feel that Dr. Jasser, a Muslim, is a closet Jew because he is trying to warn Americans about what the Muslims plan here. We need more people here like Dr. Jasser than people like Georgie Boy who hates America but is afraid he wouldn't get the same benefits in another country as he gets here. I hope everyone had a chance to view the documentary The Third Jihad to see what Georgie Boy and his pals have in store for America.

 

[georgephillip]

Have G-d's "Treasured People" ever done anything Hossie would object to?
Here's another chance for the Kosher Apologist to man-up:

"The other day I tweeted an article that reported on a rather horrible story. It seems that the Israeli government gives African women drugs that keep them from reproducing.

"I think if this story had been about Canada, Korea, France, or Brazil people would have read it. The conversation would not have immediately shifted to my alleged hatred of all Canadians.

"Since it was about Israel, some people chose to announce that I hated Jews. Such a response is not only baseless and nonsensical, but it shifts attention to me and away from the story, which in the end isn't seen. "

Please note Hossie's baseless and nonsensical response to this alleged crime of Israel's will involve assorted logical fallacies alleging equally reprehensible Muslim crimes. Never will the "chosen" Hossie criticize the Jews; he might not get to Christ's heaven if he did.

How to Criticize the Israeli Government | Let's Try Democracy

 

[irosie91]

Depoprovera is a safe and TEMPORARY form of birth control-----female physicians use it for themselves in the USA. Patient compliance with PILL
regimens has been shown to be abysmally poor over scores of clinical studies. ------the article cited about its use in Ethiopian women is idiotic ----I have no doubt that temporary birth control in that population
has saved the lives of many ----both the potential mothers and babies. There is no evidence at all that anybody was FORCED -----I do believe that it was encouraged-----for good reason. There are some people with AGENDA ---who are against any form of birth control

 

[georgephillip]

While some HASBARA HACKs deny all of Israel's racist institutions:

"The birthrate among Ethiopians in Israel decreased by a dramatic 50% in the last decade, and Israeli journalist Gal Gabai wanted to know why..."

"In her attempt to find out what the story was behind the shocking statistic, Gabai interviewed Ethiopian women immigrants and learned from them that they were given Depo-Provera (a contraceptive injection containing the hormone progestin administered once every three months) against their will.

"While some did not understand what the shots were for, others felt pressured into taking them in response to alleged threats that they would otherwise not be allowed to immigrate to Israel.

Shocking Decline in Ethiopian Israeli Birthrate