School Staff JAILED for Not Reporting

[iamwhatiseem]

I'm not debating whether this is a law or not. It seems clear that it is.

I'm not even debating if the admin are eggheads. They likely are.

I'm asking my fellow conservatives mainly: WHAT DO YOU WANT?

Why should the choir teacher not have told the girl, upon receiving the note, "tell her to tell her parents"?

Because, unfortunately, there are a LOT of really lousy parents. And many times it is the parent that is abusing. And for those children, the only protection they have is other adults.
I completely support making it a legal requirement, and criminally punishable for not reporting it.
My son is a respiratory specialist at a childrens hospital. He could literally write a book about all the things he sees and deals with on a regular basis of nightmare parents. There are more of them than any of us can imagine.

 

[SweetSue92]

A minor that is being molested or raped doesn't have a "sex life", you fucking lunatic. Get some help and stay away from kids. Sell cigarettes and gas at a convenience store. That's a better fit for you.

We have no idea what happened. None. She was likely assaulted, but we don't know.

 

[Vastator]

Not a strawman. Why are we responsible for students' sex lives if there is student- to- student sexual abuse.....to the point you condone not even INFORMING the parents....

But we can't have this that or the other book in the library, or mention this that or the other about sexuality? (btw, I'm not condoning that either)

Make up your minds. It's inconsistent and we don't get paid NEARLY enough to deal with it.

This has been the law since before you ever thought of becoming a teacher. I'm not sure what your on about with this...

 

[Vastator]

Oh so we're going to play like all laws are valid.

Cool, let's do gun laws. Shall we?

You agreed to this when you became a teacher. For you, this was optional, and you opted in.

 

[SweetSue92]

Because, unfortunately, there are a LOT of really lousy parents. And many times it is the parent that is abusing. And for those children, the only protection they have is other adults.
I completely support making it a legal requirement, and criminally punishable for not reporting it.
My son is a respiratory specialist at a childrens hospital. He could literally write a book about all the things he sees and deals with on a regular basis of nightmare parents. There are more of them than any of us can imagine.

I agree with this, but you are being *reasonable*.

Many conservatives here are not when it comes to the school--but are being HIGHLY selective. So yes, I agree that when a child/teen reports abuse at home, there is nothing to do but go straight to authorities. But from a conservative viewpoint, why wasn't this put directly to the parents? They weren't abusing her.

 

[SweetSue92]

This has been the law since before you ever thought of becoming a teacher. I'm not sure what your on about with this...

Your worldview is inconsistent.

Congratulations.

 

[SweetSue92]

Thus far not a single conservative on this thread can give a reason why the choir teacher should not have advised the student to TELL HER PARENTS.

Anyone?

Isn't that what you want? Parental control?

Why in this case is everyone like, throw the teachers in jail? Or is it just throw them in jail for whatever?

 

[Arlette]

I agree with this, but you are being *reasonable*.

Many conservatives here are not when it comes to the school--but are being HIGHLY selective. So yes, I agree that when a child/teen reports abuse at home, there is nothing to do but go straight to authorities. But from a conservative viewpoint, why wasn't this put directly to the parents? They weren't abusing her.

That the parents failed to act changes nothing for the teacher and the administration. It's just typical conholes Whataboutism

 

[Vastator]

Your worldview is inconsistent.

Congratulations.

This has nothing to do with my world view...

 

[SweetSue92]

This has nothing to do with my world view...

You don't get to dictate my perception of what this is about.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I agree with this, but you are being *reasonable*.

Many conservatives here are not when it comes to the school--but are being HIGHLY selective. So yes, I agree that when a child/teen reports abuse at home, there is nothing to do but go straight to authorities. But from a conservative viewpoint, why wasn't this put directly to the parents? They weren't abusing her.

Because they have no idea if the parents don't care.
To normal people, that sounds insane. But, like I say, there are more really bad parents out there than you can imagine.
My own teenage experiences. At the time I thought the situations were awesome!! Fantastic!! What super cool parents!! But now as an adult with 2 children with children of there own - they were nightmare parents.
1) I had a girlfriend whose parents wanted to go to a all night racing event, but their only child - a 16 year old daughter would be left home alone all night. I was only around for a couple weeks.... a couple weeks! And her parents were cool with me spending the night with her so she wouldn't be alone. With a male boy they didn't know from Adam.
2) I had another girlfriend whose father was AWOL. Her mother was an absolute slut. Brought dudes in from bars every weekend. This girl was 14 years old. I was 17. Her mother let me spend the night, fully aware we were having sex, numerous times. She even asked us about how good was the sex, have we tried this or that.
I swear on my life both these scenarios are true. And it is not nearly as uncommon as you would think it is. I had other friends who had similar situations. And then when my kids became teens I saw a lot of the same stuff from their friends parents.

 

[SweetSue92]

Because they have no idea if the parents don't care.
To normal people, that sounds insane. But, like I say, there are more really bad parents out there than you can imagine.
My own teenage experiences. At the time I thought the situations were awesome!! Fantastic!! What super cool parents!! But now as an adult with 2 children with children of there own - they were nightmare parents.
1) I had a girlfriend whose parents wanted to go to a all night racing event, but their only child - a 16 year old daughter would be left home alone all night. I was only around for a couple weeks.... a couple weeks! And her parents were cool with me spending the night with her so she wouldn't be alone. With a male boy they didn't know from Adam.
2) I had another girlfriend whose father was AWOL. Her mother was an absolute slut. Brought dudes in from bars every weekend. This girl was 14 years old. I was 17. Her mother let me spend the night, fully aware we were having sex, numerous times. She even asked us about how good was the sex, have we tried this or that.
I swear on my life both these scenarios are true. And it is not nearly as uncommon as you would think it is. I had other friends who had similar situations. And then when my kids became teens I saw a lot of the same stuff from their friends parents.

I understand this. I have also seen great parenting, good parenting, adequate parenting, and parenting that makes me cry when I get home from school.

I am asking the Parent's Rights folks why they suddenly endorse bypassing parents--because in their quest to vilify teachers, they often make parents out to be universally great.

Notice it's radio silence.

 

[Dekster]

I don't see why the teacher was arrested. She took it up the food chain. What else was she supposed to do. That is reporting it.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I understand this. I have also seen great parenting, good parenting, adequate parenting, and parenting that makes me cry when I get home from school.

I am asking the Parent's Rights folks why they suddenly endorse bypassing parents--because in their quest to vilify teachers, they often make parents out to be universally great.

Notice it's radio silence.

Ahh... now I see what you are saying.
The two are not related.
It may seem like it, but it is not.
It is completely unacceptable for school systems, polluted with teacher/activist activist school boards, DEI boards etc. etc. to have the power to talk about sex with, especially, young children. 100% unacceptable. Hell no.
The condition where teachers are required to report evidence of abuse on students, is not related to this. Two separate issues. Because there is no way of knowing if a parent is the abuser or is complicit in the abuse.

 

[SweetSue92]

I don't see why the teacher was arrested. She took it up the food chain. What else was she supposed to do. That is reporting it.

Agree....especially the teacher. If there is parental abuse, we are advised to first contact admin, but then we make the report. But this was not parental abuse. So anyone could have reported it to parents, and they could have made the report.

Again I don't understand why my fellow conservatives don't support this.

Or I do, actually. Rather backed into a corner...

 

[SweetSue92]

Ahh... now I see what you are saying.
The two are not related.
It may seem like it, but it is not.
It is completely unacceptable for school systems, polluted with teacher/activist activist school boards, DEI boards etc. etc. to have the power to talk about sex with, especially, young children. 100% unacceptable. Hell no.
The condition where teachers are required to report evidence of abuse on students, is not related to this. Two separate issues. Because there is no way of knowing if a parent is the abuser or is complicit in the abuse.

I am playing Devil's advocate 100%.

Parents want to be notified of everything....but yet, no one seems to think it appropriate that the teacher tell the student to tell her parents? From everything I've read this was student to student abuse.

Many, MANY conservatives here take the position that the parents are always correct and the schools have no function beyond the Three Rs. Yet in this case, "jail the teachers"!!

My point is: this profession is now impossible. Read the thread for why.

 

[SweetSue92]

It's unclear to me, from the article, just who is responsible for passing the information on to whom, in the chain of command, but at some point, someone in that chain certainly had a duty to notify the appropriate authorities, and failed to do so in a timely manner.

I can see a dubious excuse for those lower in this hierarchy to figure that their duty just extends to passing the information up to their supervisors, and leaving it to someone above them to report it to the legal authorities.

At least one school official in this chain, if not all of them, fully deserves to go to jail.

Bob I would especially like to hear from you:

Why were the girl's parents not "the proper authorities"?

???

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I am playing Devil's advocate 100%.

Parents want to be notified of everything....but yet, no one seems to think it appropriate that the teacher tell the student to tell her parents? From everything I've read this was student to student abuse.

Many, MANY conservatives here take the position that the parents are always correct and the schools have no function beyond the Three Rs. Yet in this case, "jail the teachers"!!

My point is: this profession is now impossible. Read the thread for why.

Again, I don't see that the two issues are related.
It is a strawman argument.
Parents being notified at what their kids are being taught - and teachers being required to report abuse to authorities are not related.

 

[Vastator]

Agree....especially the teacher. If there is parental abuse, we are advised to first contact admin, but then we make the report. But this was not parental abuse. So anyone could have reported it to parents, and they could have made the report.

Again I don't understand why my fellow conservatives don't support this.

Or I do, actually. Rather backed into a corner...

No one is backed into a corner. Nor has anyone emphatically said to not inform the parents. If the teacher wants to, that may be all well, and good. However that does not do away with the legal requirement to notify authorities.

 

[SweetSue92]

Again, I don't see that the two issues are related.
It is a strawman argument.
Parents being notified at what their kids are being taught - and teachers being required to report abuse to authorities are not related.

It's inconsistent in the extreme, when you're talking about student-to-student abuse, and the abuse is not coming from home.

The positions that parents should be notified what their children are taught but if your student tells a teacher that other students are abusing her, parents should be left in the dark while the school takes steps...

That is very inconsistent.

To add to this: parents want to be notified now if their child changes pronouns. But the conservatives here say if a child tells a teacher she is being sexually assaulted by other children--nah, the schools can take over.

REALLY?