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Wrong.
They observed some data that did not fit their theories. They hypothesized an explanation, and have offered theories to explain the existence of Dark Matter. To date no theory has been corroborated by experiment or observation. Scientists do not point to something they cannot explain and claim it proves something they made up to explain it.
If you will check back through the various explanations of the scientific method you will see that I am the one that is right here, and that Dark Matter is only a belief. No one knows if it really exists, or if some other explanation will eventually be found to explain the observations.
Why don't you post this in your thread about lies told by wingnuts? It will give people who are not reading this thread a chance to see how ignorant you are.
I never said it wasn't a hypothesis. You said that I said that but I never did. What I did say was that "SOMETHING" is causing a lensing effect and scientists refer to it as "Dark Matter". Something exists. Something is affecting the light.
Not every hypothesis has a "corresponding experiment". Why? Because it may be impossible to preform such an experiment with our current level of technology.
Go ahead. Keep trying to beat up on me if it makes you feel better about yourself. Personally, I think it's hilarious. Gives me a good "chuckle".
Are you being overly sensitive rdean? This post was not addressed to you, so anything you think I said to you was actually said to someone else. You say enough things I can beat you up over so that I do not have to put words in your mouth in order to do so. Am I free to actually beat up Sangha for his insistence that we know this stuff exists because we can see it does stuff we can't explain?
You left out the part about believing that cold exists the way heat does
Here is where you are shown to be disingenuous again. I do not believe cold exists or does not exist solely on the basis of you not having the ability to measure it. It is you that are acting as if the world is flat here.
We can also measure the effects of believing in God, does that prove God exists?
Dark matter is a hypothesis to explain the measurements they get. That means those measurements cannot be used to prove that dark matter exists. If you understood basic logic you would understand that without me having to explain it to you.
We can also measure the effects of believing in God, does that prove God exists?
Measure the effects? Examples?
There are a lot of science journals that discuss the effects of belief and brain activity, here is one to get you started.
'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study | Science | The Guardian
Next time, just ask the question in English?
And I've already explained how evolution refutes creationism, so it would seem that you're the one with the reading comprehension issues. Try to keep up
But as long as I have your attention, can you explain why you said that scientists believe that dark matter exists, and then contradict yourself and say that scientists don't believe that dark matter exists?
No, you proved that evolution disproves the statement that humans were created as is at some point in the past. Since I have to point out the obvious to you, that does not disprove creationism, which is the belief that the universe, and everything in it, was created. Why should a Hindu creationist believe in the biblical account of creation, even if they believe that the Earth is 5000 years old?
The problem here is that you are attempting to stake out a claim based on positions you are making up for other people, and that, in truth, all you are accomplishing is making yourself look ignorant. Different people believe different things, and it is possible that God, if He did create everything, set the universe up to evolve us in His image.
For one thing, I do not believe in the existence of Hindu Creationists
Secondly, if creationism is the belief that the universe, and everything in it (which I assume includes humans) were created, then the evolution of humans directly contradicts the creationist claim that humans were created, and not evolved
Thirdly, as it is with many topics, you don't know what you're talking about. Creationism is a belief that the universe, and everything in it (including humans) were created by a supernatural being. Again, evolution refutes this inane claim
Wrong.
They observed some data that did not fit their theories. They hypothesized an explanation, and have offered theories to explain the existence of Dark Matter. To date no theory has been corroborated by experiment or observation. Scientists do not point to something they cannot explain and claim it proves something they made up to explain it.
If you will check back through the various explanations of the scientific method you will see that I am the one that is right here, and that Dark Matter is only a belief. No one knows if it really exists, or if some other explanation will eventually be found to explain the observations.
Why don't you post this in your thread about lies told by wingnuts? It will give people who are not reading this thread a chance to see how ignorant you are.
You are lying. You saidRight there you say that scientists believe that dark energy exists. Too bad you have nothing to back up your lies with.Scientists do not know that either dark energy, which is not electromagnetic energy we cannot see, or dark matter exists. They believe dark energy exists
Scientists do not BELIEVE that dark matter exists. Some scientists SUSPECT that dark matter exists.
Didn't you just claim that we know everything about it? Yet you think I am lying when I say scientists believe in it.
We can also measure the effects of believing in God, does that prove God exists?
Measure the effects? Examples?
There are a lot of science journals that discuss the effects of belief and brain activity, here is one to get you started.
'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study | Science | The Guardian
Apples and oranges. What they are measuring is "belief". That belief could be any belief. If they believed "holding a four leaf clover" brought "good things", then why wouldn't they get the same results?
Proof of the existence of "God" has to be more than just a belief. That leaves us back where we started.
I believe the FACT that Republicans believe government is bad and government fails at everything is a FACT because when they are in power, they make sure it fails. That proves their belief. The evidence is that every time Republicans are in power, the economy falters and the country falls apart.
Then why do you refuse to admit that stupid people share your beliefs?I'm not going to bother responding to your other posts before this one -- it's clear you're more than happy arguing your side AND my side. My participation is not required.It's obvious that Dave lied about "sciencers" beliefs. He made it up to hide his lack of knowledge.
Nevertheless, I don't have to make stuff up.
I also explained that, but you're incapable of admitting that there are stupid people on your side, despite the overwhelming evidence.That's why Dave will never post a list of these mythical sciencers who believe that evolution explains the origin of life.
Meanwhile, I would like to point out (again) that the definition of "lie" is NOT "something a leftist disagrees with".
So your point is that there are stupid people on both sides. You've definitely earned the costume
I never said it wasn't a hypothesis. You said that I said that but I never did. What I did say was that "SOMETHING" is causing a lensing effect and scientists refer to it as "Dark Matter". Something exists. Something is affecting the light.
Not every hypothesis has a "corresponding experiment". Why? Because it may be impossible to preform such an experiment with our current level of technology.
Go ahead. Keep trying to beat up on me if it makes you feel better about yourself. Personally, I think it's hilarious. Gives me a good "chuckle".
Are you being overly sensitive rdean? This post was not addressed to you, so anything you think I said to you was actually said to someone else. You say enough things I can beat you up over so that I do not have to put words in your mouth in order to do so. Am I free to actually beat up Sangha for his insistence that we know this stuff exists because we can see it does stuff we can't explain?
QW can't help but lie. rdean has NEVER said that dark matter exists. All he has said is that SOMETHING EXISTS because something is having an effect that can be measured. rdead never said that it was dark matter that was causing the effect. rdean said that scientists have HYPOTHESIZED that dark matter is the cause of the effect.
No I am not.
Atheism | Define Atheism at Dictionary.com
Just because you have a problem with the English language it does not mean everyone else does.
You dishonestly left out the other definition of atheism because it proves you wrong
Just because you have a problem with honesty it doesn't mean everyone else is going to fall for your lies
No, I left it out in the hope that you would jump on it and prove yourself a fool. Thanks for cooperating.
: the act of disbelieving : mental rejection of something as untrue
Disbelief - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Disbelief is a belief, not the lack of one.
Looks like Sangha believes this post doesn't exist.I never said they were magic. I said they sound like magic, or faith.
You also said that scientists believe in dark matter, which is a lie
Ahem.
Ask A Physicist: Why Believe In Dark Matter?
But there are LOTS of reasons to believe in Dark Matter, besides the obvious (and damn compelling, if you ask me) fact that galaxies would fly apart with out it.
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Dave Goldberg is the author, with Jeff Blomquist, of "A User's Guide to the Universe: Surviving the Perils of Black Holes, Time Paradoxes, and Quantum Uncertainty." (Wiley: 2010). He is an associate professor of Physics at Drexel University.
Looks like it's not a lie.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
We can also measure the effects of believing in God, does that prove God exists?
Measure the effects? Examples?
There are a lot of science journals that discuss the effects of belief and brain activity, here is one to get you started.
'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study | Science | The Guardian
That only proves that a "belief in God" exists. It does not prove that God exists, which is what was asked for
I said something stupid, mock at will.
The concepts sound magical when people try to argue that the observational data proves the hypothesis. Scientists do not do that, but they are still at a loss to actually explain these concepts because our knowledge of the universe does not include an understanding of these concepts. I have said elsewhere that there are only a few physicists that begin to understand this, and the rest of us have to take it on faith. Since I am completely certain that you are not the one of the people who understand this, any attempt you make to claim that you are taking this on any basis other than faith is going to fall short.
That makes these concepts as magical to you as they are to me, even if you refuse to admit it.
Just because the facts seem magical to you, that doesn't mean the facts seem magical to anyone else.
They certainly seem magical to you, or you would not be trying to claim you said something the opposite of what you said.
I never said they were magic. I said they sound like magic, or faith.
You also said that scientists believe in dark matter, which is a lie
Ahem.
Ask A Physicist: Why Believe In Dark Matter?
But there are LOTS of reasons to believe in Dark Matter, besides the obvious (and damn compelling, if you ask me) fact that galaxies would fly apart with out it.
--
Dave Goldberg is the author, with Jeff Blomquist, of "A User's Guide to the Universe: Surviving the Perils of Black Holes, Time Paradoxes, and Quantum Uncertainty." (Wiley: 2010). He is an associate professor of Physics at Drexel University.
Looks like it's not a lie.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I said something stupid, mock at will.
You attempted to use your aggressively stupid post as a launching point to mock me. It's certainly not my fault you ended up looking like a dumbass in doing so.
I said you could mock, so feel free. Being petty about just proves you are taking all this personally. I, on the other hand, was just wrong.
to mock is not the result of your having a thick skin; it's because you know you got pwned and you can't stop anyone from pointing out your idiocy
I never said it wasn't a hypothesis. You said that I said that but I never did. What I did say was that "SOMETHING" is causing a lensing effect and scientists refer to it as "Dark Matter". Something exists. Something is affecting the light.
Not every hypothesis has a "corresponding experiment". Why? Because it may be impossible to preform such an experiment with our current level of technology.
Go ahead. Keep trying to beat up on me if it makes you feel better about yourself. Personally, I think it's hilarious. Gives me a good "chuckle".
This is the lie I've been referring to. QW continually and habitually keeps referring to some mythical people who believe that dark matter exists. Now he's lying about you believing in it.
I wonder if QW will ever defend his own claims by identifying who these fictional believers in dark matter are?
Funny.
Until I managed to get it through your had that I was right you were one of the mythical people that believed dark matter exists, and that we know all about it. Then you jump on rdean, who admitted the hypothetical nature from the start, and try to pretend you believed the same thing.
I think that qualifies as a lie.
See, it was a complete sentence, you actually figured out what I was talking about by using context.
I never used the word sciencers, so any attempt by you to discredit my posts by referring to it is a lie.
Scientists believe that dark matter exists, they do not know it exists. If you do not understand the difference between belief and knowledge it might explain why you think we know what black matter, whatever you think that is, exists and that we know everything about it.
Are you going to try to use more lies in an attempt to make me look stupid?
You see? When you post in complete English sentences, you are understood. When you try to be clever (which you arent) and use some of form of discourse, you fail.
And if you didn't use the term sciencers, I apologize for saying you did. However, I am going to go back and check because you can't be trusted. And speaking of trust, let's get to the central lie you've been repeating over and over while working hard to not post anything to support your disgusting lies
You say "Scientists believe that dark matter exists"
Please back up your lie by identifying these scientists. Please post links which prove that these scientists do believe that dark matter exists and why
Or just admit that you're so dishonest and that you just made it up so you could avoid admitting you were wrong?
Dark Matter Proof Found, Scientists Say
The guy is obviously wrong about the evidence, but he believes it.
No, you proved that evolution disproves the statement that humans were created as is at some point in the past. Since I have to point out the obvious to you, that does not disprove creationism, which is the belief that the universe, and everything in it, was created. Why should a Hindu creationist believe in the biblical account of creation, even if they believe that the Earth is 5000 years old?
The problem here is that you are attempting to stake out a claim based on positions you are making up for other people, and that, in truth, all you are accomplishing is making yourself look ignorant. Different people believe different things, and it is possible that God, if He did create everything, set the universe up to evolve us in His image.
For one thing, I do not believe in the existence of Hindu Creationists
Secondly, if creationism is the belief that the universe, and everything in it (which I assume includes humans) were created, then the evolution of humans directly contradicts the creationist claim that humans were created, and not evolved
Thirdly, as it is with many topics, you don't know what you're talking about. Creationism is a belief that the universe, and everything in it (including humans) were created by a supernatural being. Again, evolution refutes this inane claim
You do not believe in Hindu creationists? How do you explain this then?
Hindu Creation Myths
I think that shows how much your beliefs are worth.
There are a lot of science journals that discuss the effects of belief and brain activity, here is one to get you started.
'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study | Science | The Guardian
Apples and oranges. What they are measuring is "belief". That belief could be any belief. If they believed "holding a four leaf clover" brought "good things", then why wouldn't they get the same results?
Proof of the existence of "God" has to be more than just a belief. That leaves us back where we started.
I never said that belief in God proved anything. I just pointed out that measuring something does not prove something else, and I am guessing you agree with me about that.
Then why do you refuse to admit that stupid people share your beliefs?I'm not going to bother responding to your other posts before this one -- it's clear you're more than happy arguing your side AND my side. My participation is not required.
Nevertheless, I don't have to make stuff up.
I also explained that, but you're incapable of admitting that there are stupid people on your side, despite the overwhelming evidence.
Meanwhile, I would like to point out (again) that the definition of "lie" is NOT "something a leftist disagrees with".
So your point is that there are stupid people on both sides. You've definitely earned the costume
Are you being overly sensitive rdean? This post was not addressed to you, so anything you think I said to you was actually said to someone else. You say enough things I can beat you up over so that I do not have to put words in your mouth in order to do so. Am I free to actually beat up Sangha for his insistence that we know this stuff exists because we can see it does stuff we can't explain?
QW can't help but lie. rdean has NEVER said that dark matter exists. All he has said is that SOMETHING EXISTS because something is having an effect that can be measured. rdead never said that it was dark matter that was causing the effect. rdean said that scientists have HYPOTHESIZED that dark matter is the cause of the effect.
