Science & Reason vs. Atheism

[sealybobo]

And check out this website: Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God

None of those things prove there is a God, especially the Christian, Muslim or Jewish God.

 

[sealybobo]

Some arguments for the existence Of God:

Teleological arguments

• What is the “fine-tuning” of the universe, and how does it serve as a “pointer to God”?
  
• Why is the universe so beautiful? If you don't believe in Design you think the universe is a random mess, and how can a random mess be beautiful?
  
• Why can the physical world be described by elegant equations? Here's John Polkinghorne: “We are so familiar with the fact that we can understand the world that most of the time we take it for granted. It is what makes science possible. Yet it could have been otherwise. The universe might have been a disorderly chaos rather than an orderly cosmos."

Cosmological argument

Dr. John Lennox

Other

Why should we discard the testimony of billions who pray and think they have encountered God?

In the absence of any empirical evidence, all other claims can be dismissed as the result of magical thinking, misattribution, credulity, hearsay and anecdote. Eye-witness testimony and anecdotal accounts are, by themselves, not reliable or definitive forms of proof for such extraordinary claims.

 

[Ancient lion]

And check out this website: Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God

None of those things prove there is a God, especially the Christian, Muslim or Jewish God.

Who created u ? who created your food and water ?

 

[Ancient lion]

In the absence of any empirical evidence, all other claims can be dismissed as the result of magical thinking, misattribution, credulity, hearsay and anecdote. Eye-witness testimony and anecdotal accounts are, by themselves, not reliable or definitive forms of proof for such extraordinary claims.

Like the claim that the universe created itself ?!

 

[Thunderbird]

In the absence of any empirical evidence, all other claims can be dismissed as the result of magical thinking, misattribution, credulity, hearsay and anecdote. Eye-witness testimony and anecdotal accounts are, by themselves,

Do courts of law generally dismiss eye-witness testimony?

not reliable or definitive forms of proof for such extraordinary claims.

This reminds of Hume's On Miracles. It's a very weak argument.

A Critique of David Hume’s On Miracles

 

[Steven_R]

Eye-witness testimony is the weakest form of evidence in science. It may not be the case in the courts, but in a lab if something hasn't been quantified and logged and measured, it just isn't enough to hang one's hat on. "Here's what I saw" just isn't good enough and anecdotes are note evidence.

 

[sealybobo]

And check out this website: Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God

None of those things prove there is a God, especially the Christian, Muslim or Jewish God.

Who created u ? who created your food and water ?

If something had to create the universe then something had to have created God. Who are God's parents? Who are his great grand parents and so on? You can't have it both ways. This is the God of the Gaps. What you don't understand you say God did it. But over 1000 years scientists have continued to figure out the answers and fill in those gaps but you guys still continue to say anything/everything we don't know the answer to is God. Real smart. That's actually what our monkey ancestors did. Please evolve. I understand your entire society has brainwashed you from birth but you are an adult now. Time to stop believing in Santa.

 

[Steven_R]

In the absence of any empirical evidence, all other claims can be dismissed as the result of magical thinking, misattribution, credulity, hearsay and anecdote. Eye-witness testimony and anecdotal accounts are, by themselves, not reliable or definitive forms of proof for such extraordinary claims.

Like the claim that the universe created itself ?!

Except that notions like the Big Bang and Cosmic Inflation aren't just thrown out there, but are backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work. It isn't like some scientist said "It just happened" and then sat back on his laurels without having to show his work.

 

[sealybobo]

In the absence of any empirical evidence, all other claims can be dismissed as the result of magical thinking, misattribution, credulity, hearsay and anecdote. Eye-witness testimony and anecdotal accounts are, by themselves,

Do courts of law generally dismiss eye-witness testimony?

not reliable or definitive forms of proof for such extraordinary claims.

This reminds of Hume's On Miracles. It's a very weak argument.

A Critique of David Hume’s On Miracles

Yea and how many innocent people get fucked because of eye witness testimony. That's our point. And please don't say science's arguments against God are weak. They are the best we have. And it isn't our responsibility to prove your fairytale is fake. You have to prove it is real. And God hasn't left a fingerprint in 1000's of years. He talked to Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus but since then he only talks to televangelists? Ever since tv and science showed up God has disappeared?

Oh yea, I thought about this the other day when watching a Sunday morning religious show. I get a kick out of watching the brainwashing going on. I wonder how many people are just there for the socializing. Anyways, the guy says that heaven is FINAL! But what about Satan? Wasn't he an angel that got jealous of God? So I can't go to heaven and be a dick if I want? Sounds like I'll be a zombie under God's eternal control. But I guess if it feels like an eternal blowjob that won't be so bad.

 

[sealybobo]

Eye-witness testimony is the weakest form of evidence in science. It may not be the case in the courts, but in a lab if something hasn't been quantified and logged and measured, it just isn't enough to hang one's hat on. "Here's what I saw" just isn't good enough and anecdotes are note evidence.

And isn't it odd these science deniers will use the same science (DNA) in court to convict people? They run to scientists/doctors when they get sick, not their rabbi or preacher. And why pray? If it is God's will, let what will be be. Also, funny how one kid is miraculously cured and its a miracle from God but 1000 people die and it's God's will.

 

[sealybobo]

And check out this website: Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God

None of those things prove there is a God, especially the Christian, Muslim or Jewish God.

Who created u ? who created your food and water ?

The stars created us. The big bang. Beyond that, the best answer is we don't know. Your actual question is what created the big bang. We don't know. But to put God in the blank is ignorant. And if you truly analyze all the 1000 religions that human's have had since we first made that shit up have all been just that, man made. This is why religion hates science because it has the nerve to call BULLSHIT on your story.

And how dare you guys get upset about it. If you want to go around telling a lame story that is absolutely unbelievable then you have to accept the consequences. This is why people who grew up muslim don't convert to christianity when they hear the story. There is nothing to convince them other than you guys fear people into believing. Either be born again and believe or burn in hell. We laugh at you. And you should be able to look over at the muslim fools and realize you are just like them only you believe a slightly different version of bullshit. Do you know the muslims, jews and christians all come from Abraham supposedly? These are the three monolithic religions. Before them people believed in multiple gods. So eventually most people won't believe in any God because we are evolving and getting smarter. Its not our fault though we've been brainwashed for thousands of years. It will take awhile for everyone to wake up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In the absence of any empirical evidence, all other claims can be dismissed as the result of magical thinking, misattribution, credulity, hearsay and anecdote. Eye-witness testimony and anecdotal accounts are, by themselves, not reliable or definitive forms of proof for such extraordinary claims.

Like the claim that the universe created itself ?!

Except that notions like the Big Bang and Cosmic Inflation aren't just thrown out there, but are backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work. It isn't like some scientist said "It just happened" and then sat back on his laurels without having to show his work.

"...backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work."

Of course that isn't true.




Professor Francis Crick, awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of DNA, wrote:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.
Crick, F., "Life Itself," New York: Simon and Schuster, 1981, p.88.

 

[Hollie]

Like the claim that the universe created itself ?!

Except that notions like the Big Bang and Cosmic Inflation aren't just thrown out there, but are backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work. It isn't like some scientist said "It just happened" and then sat back on his laurels without having to show his work.

"...backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work."

Of course that isn't true.




Professor Francis Crick, awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of DNA, wrote:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.
Crick, F., "Life Itself," New York: Simon and Schuster, 1981, p.88.

That does nothing to support your feverish, anti-science screaming "the gawds did it" belief.

 

[Steven_R]

Type out the rest of the paragraph so we can have some context and get a sense of what he was talking about instead of quote mining. Otherwise, go be crazy somewhere else.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why the OP?

Atheism has never constructed a reasonable argument for its faith system.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Type out the rest of the paragraph so we can have some context and get a sense of what he was talking about instead of quote mining. Otherwise, go be crazy somewhere else.

Crazy is better than lying.

Stop lying.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Except that notions like the Big Bang and Cosmic Inflation aren't just thrown out there, but are backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work. It isn't like some scientist said "It just happened" and then sat back on his laurels without having to show his work.

"...backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work."

Of course that isn't true.




Professor Francis Crick, awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of DNA, wrote:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.
Crick, F., "Life Itself," New York: Simon and Schuster, 1981, p.88.

That does nothing to support your feverish, anti-science screaming "the gawds did it" belief.

Moron.

 

[Steven_R]

Type out the rest of the paragraph so we can have some context and get a sense of what he was talking about instead of quote mining. Otherwise, go be crazy somewhere else.

Crazy is better than lying.

Stop lying.

Stop quote mining and show us the rest of Dr. Crick's thought process about the matter.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Type out the rest of the paragraph so we can have some context and get a sense of what he was talking about instead of quote mining. Otherwise, go be crazy somewhere else.

"..…according to various calculations, if the values of some of the fundamental parameters of our universe were a little larger or a little smaller, life could not have arisen....

....…the great question, of course, is why these fundamental parameters happen to lie within the range needed for life. Does the universe care about life? Intelligent design is one answer. Indeed, a fair number of theologians, philosophers, and even some scientists have used fine-tuning and the anthropic principle as evidence of the existence of God.

For example, at the 2011 Christian Scholars’ Conference at Pepperdine University, Francis Collins, a leading geneticist and director of the National Institutes of Health, said, “To get our universe, with all of its potential for complexities or any kind of potential for any kind of life-form, everything has to be precisely defined on this knife edge of improbability…. [Y]ou have to see the hands of a creator who set the parameters to be just so because the creator was interested in something a little more complicated than random particles.”
The accidental universe: Science's crisis of faith
By Alan P. Lightman
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2011/12/0083720



"Alan Paige Lightman (born November 28, 1948) is an American physicist, writer, and social entrepreneur. He is a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the author of the international bestseller Einstein's Dreams. He was the first professor at MIT to receive a joint appointment in the sciences and the humanities."
Alan Lightman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

Type out the rest of the paragraph so we can have some context and get a sense of what he was talking about instead of quote mining. Otherwise, go be crazy somewhere else.

Crazy is better than lying.

Stop lying.

Stop quote mining and show us the rest of Dr. Crick's thought process about the matter.

Stop lying and produce the decades of "evidence, and observations and testing and work" re:


" notions like the Big Bang and Cosmic Inflation aren't just thrown out there, but are backed by decades of evidence and observations and testing and work.