Scientist discovers errors in global warming model

[Wyatt earp]

bear513

NASA NOAA and other agencies are doing work on things. I trust them over you. I guess that makes me a dupe and a part of a conspiracy

That's called FAITH/ a religion retard.

We want facts and data, you just want to BELIEVE...

Faith?

There is no faith or belief on this stupid.

I'm sorry, this bear poster is just too stupid... I can't finish a reply

You are retarded.... You posted you TRUST them... With no facts or data to back up the claim

Sorry that's FAITH. That's a religion....

Gawd Damn you are gullible.

 

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Just one thing here...

What are greenhouse gases?
Many chemical compounds present in Earth's atmosphere behave as 'greenhouse gases'. These are gases which allow direct sunlight (relative shortwave energy) to reach the Earth's surface unimpeded. As the shortwave energy (that in the visible and ultraviolet portion of the spectra) heats the surface, longer-wave (infrared) energy (heat) is reradiated to the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases absorb this energy, thereby allowing less heat to escape back to space, and 'trapping' it in the lower atmosphere. Many greenhouse gases occur naturally in the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor, and nitrous oxide, while others are synthetic. Those that are man-made include the chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) and Perfluorocarbons (PFCs), as well as sulfur hexafluoride (SF6). Atmospheric concentrations of both the natural and man-made gases have been rising over the last few centuries due to the industrial revolution. As the global population has increased and our reliance on fossil fuels (such as coal, oil and natural gas) has been firmly solidified, so emissions of these gases have risen. While gases such as carbon dioxide occur naturally in the atmosphere, through our interference with the carbon cycle (through burning forest lands, or mining and burning coal), we artificially move carbon from solid storage to its gaseous state, thereby increasing atmospheric concentrations.
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Hmm... Greenhouse Gases | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

 

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You are retarded.... You posted you TRUST them... With no facts or data to back up the claim

Sorry that's FAITH. That's a religion....

Gawd Damn you are gullible.

Believing the science is not faith.

Unlike religion which is based totally on unverifiable and untested stories and superstitions...

never mind. you're just a garden variety dullard

 

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• NCEI's Global Temperature Anomalies Dataset
  The Merged Land & Ocean Surface Temperature data are presented as anomalies (departures from a long-term average) on a five-degree by five-degree global grid. The period of record is January 1880 through the most recent month.
• NOAA's official responses to congressional hearing on climate change and adaptation
• NCEI Director Thomas Karl's written testimony on climate change adaptation before the House Committee on Energy and Commerce and Subcommittee on Energy and Environment

 

[Wyatt earp]

Excellent point, a number of civilizations have collapsed due to climate change. None of which were triggered by mankind.

What is this? Climate change primary school edition?


Who is saying climate change hasn't happened in the past? No one, not a single person. So why are you trying to make a point as if people have said this?

There are two things.

Climate change and MAN MADE climate change. You see the difference?

One is natural, the Earth goes through phases. What happens happens. However with man made climate change we can't say what the impact might be....

if man can impact the climate like you say

then there is no need for natures "what happens happens"

Why?

We can impact, we just can't control.

We do probably impact the climate a bit. And if you know the cause -- it MIGHT be preventable. CO2 has a diminishing effect on the GreenHouse. For every degree in temperature you get from increases in temperature -- you need TWICE as much CO2 to get the next degree. And water vapor is by far the LARGEST GHouse gas contributor. The GW theory states that man-made emissions are just the "trigger" to a runaway GH effect. That's the part of GW that is hotly debated and certainly not settled.​

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.​

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence NASA

One of the most vigorously debated topics on Earth is the issue of climate change, and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) data centers are central to answering some of the most pressing global change questions that remain unresolved. The National Centers for Environmental Information contains the instrumental and paleoclimatic records that can precisely define the nature of climatic fluctuations at time scales of a century and longer. Among the diverse kinds of data platforms whose data contribute to NCEI's resources are: Ships, buoys, weather stations, weather balloons, satellites, radar and many climate proxy records such as tree rings and ice cores.

The National Oceanographic Data Center contains the subsurface ocean data which reveal the ways that heat is distributed and redistributed over the planet. Knowing how these systems are changing and how they have changed in the past is crucial to understanding how they will change in the future. And, for climate information that extends from hundreds to thousands of years, paleoclimatology data, also available from the National Centers for Environmental Information, helps to provide longer term perspectives.​

Introduction: Global Warming | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)


Frequently Asked Questions: Frequently Asked Questions | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

How much ocean temperature data do we have ?

You just want to trust data from 2004?


Gawd damn you are a cult member...


Ocean temperture records | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[flacaltenn]

What is this? Climate change primary school edition?


Who is saying climate change hasn't happened in the past? No one, not a single person. So why are you trying to make a point as if people have said this?

There are two things.

Climate change and MAN MADE climate change. You see the difference?

One is natural, the Earth goes through phases. What happens happens. However with man made climate change we can't say what the impact might be....

if man can impact the climate like you say

then there is no need for natures "what happens happens"

Why?

We can impact, we just can't control.

We do probably impact the climate a bit. And if you know the cause -- it MIGHT be preventable. CO2 has a diminishing effect on the GreenHouse. For every degree in temperature you get from increases in temperature -- you need TWICE as much CO2 to get the next degree. And water vapor is by far the LARGEST GHouse gas contributor. The GW theory states that man-made emissions are just the "trigger" to a runaway GH effect. That's the part of GW that is hotly debated and certainly not settled.​

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.​

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence NASA

One of the most vigorously debated topics on Earth is the issue of climate change, and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) data centers are central to answering some of the most pressing global change questions that remain unresolved. The National Centers for Environmental Information contains the instrumental and paleoclimatic records that can precisely define the nature of climatic fluctuations at time scales of a century and longer. Among the diverse kinds of data platforms whose data contribute to NCEI's resources are: Ships, buoys, weather stations, weather balloons, satellites, radar and many climate proxy records such as tree rings and ice cores.

The National Oceanographic Data Center contains the subsurface ocean data which reveal the ways that heat is distributed and redistributed over the planet. Knowing how these systems are changing and how they have changed in the past is crucial to understanding how they will change in the future. And, for climate information that extends from hundreds to thousands of years, paleoclimatology data, also available from the National Centers for Environmental Information, helps to provide longer term perspectives.​

Introduction: Global Warming | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)


Frequently Asked Questions: Frequently Asked Questions | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

How much ocean temperature data do we have ?

You just want to trust data from 2004?


Gawd damn you are a cult member...


Ocean temperture records | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You might point out to the brainwashed cultist that NASA GISS (stands for Goddard Inst.of Space Sciences) -- when they release all those blaring headlines about :"hottest month ever" and later retracts them -- NEVER ONCE mentions in their press releases that the 0.02degC responsible for this record WAS NOT CONFIRMED BY THEIR OWN GOD-DAMNED SATELLITES !!!!

Seems odd for a "space sciences" branch of the government to be preferring to declare records based on a highly man-processed and flawed database of thousands of land/sea based thermometers -- rather than the better coverage, more reliable SPACE satellites --- dontcha think it deserves a mention??

 

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How much ocean temperature data do we have ? You just want to trust data from 2004?

There you go again playing climate scientist on the web without a science degree in climate science

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

if man can impact the climate like you say

then there is no need for natures "what happens happens"

Why?

We can impact, we just can't control.

We do probably impact the climate a bit. And if you know the cause -- it MIGHT be preventable. CO2 has a diminishing effect on the GreenHouse. For every degree in temperature you get from increases in temperature -- you need TWICE as much CO2 to get the next degree. And water vapor is by far the LARGEST GHouse gas contributor. The GW theory states that man-made emissions are just the "trigger" to a runaway GH effect. That's the part of GW that is hotly debated and certainly not settled.​

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.​

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence NASA

One of the most vigorously debated topics on Earth is the issue of climate change, and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) data centers are central to answering some of the most pressing global change questions that remain unresolved. The National Centers for Environmental Information contains the instrumental and paleoclimatic records that can precisely define the nature of climatic fluctuations at time scales of a century and longer. Among the diverse kinds of data platforms whose data contribute to NCEI's resources are: Ships, buoys, weather stations, weather balloons, satellites, radar and many climate proxy records such as tree rings and ice cores.

The National Oceanographic Data Center contains the subsurface ocean data which reveal the ways that heat is distributed and redistributed over the planet. Knowing how these systems are changing and how they have changed in the past is crucial to understanding how they will change in the future. And, for climate information that extends from hundreds to thousands of years, paleoclimatology data, also available from the National Centers for Environmental Information, helps to provide longer term perspectives.​

Introduction: Global Warming | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)


Frequently Asked Questions: Frequently Asked Questions | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

How much ocean temperature data do we have ?

You just want to trust data from 2004?


Gawd damn you are a cult member...


Ocean temperture records | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You might point out to the brainwashed cultist that NASA GISS (stands for Goddard Inst.of Space Sciences) -- when they release all those blaring headlines about :"hottest month ever" and later retracts them -- NEVER ONCE mentions in their press releases that the 0.02degC responsible for this record WAS NOT CONFIRMED BY THEIR OWN GOD-DAMNED SATELLITES !!!!

Seems odd for a "space sciences" branch of the government to be preferring to declare records based on a highly man-processed and flawed database of thousands of land/sea based thermometers -- rather than the better coverage, more reliable SPACE satellites --- dontcha think it deserves a mention??

and unlike ideologues the scientists admit error

 

[flacaltenn]

Why?

We can impact, we just can't control.

We do probably impact the climate a bit. And if you know the cause -- it MIGHT be preventable. CO2 has a diminishing effect on the GreenHouse. For every degree in temperature you get from increases in temperature -- you need TWICE as much CO2 to get the next degree. And water vapor is by far the LARGEST GHouse gas contributor. The GW theory states that man-made emissions are just the "trigger" to a runaway GH effect. That's the part of GW that is hotly debated and certainly not settled.​

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.​

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence NASA

One of the most vigorously debated topics on Earth is the issue of climate change, and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) data centers are central to answering some of the most pressing global change questions that remain unresolved. The National Centers for Environmental Information contains the instrumental and paleoclimatic records that can precisely define the nature of climatic fluctuations at time scales of a century and longer. Among the diverse kinds of data platforms whose data contribute to NCEI's resources are: Ships, buoys, weather stations, weather balloons, satellites, radar and many climate proxy records such as tree rings and ice cores.

The National Oceanographic Data Center contains the subsurface ocean data which reveal the ways that heat is distributed and redistributed over the planet. Knowing how these systems are changing and how they have changed in the past is crucial to understanding how they will change in the future. And, for climate information that extends from hundreds to thousands of years, paleoclimatology data, also available from the National Centers for Environmental Information, helps to provide longer term perspectives.​

Introduction: Global Warming | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)


Frequently Asked Questions: Frequently Asked Questions | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

How much ocean temperature data do we have ?

You just want to trust data from 2004?


Gawd damn you are a cult member...


Ocean temperture records | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You might point out to the brainwashed cultist that NASA GISS (stands for Goddard Inst.of Space Sciences) -- when they release all those blaring headlines about :"hottest month ever" and later retracts them -- NEVER ONCE mentions in their press releases that the 0.02degC responsible for this record WAS NOT CONFIRMED BY THEIR OWN GOD-DAMNED SATELLITES !!!!

Seems odd for a "space sciences" branch of the government to be preferring to declare records based on a highly man-processed and flawed database of thousands of land/sea based thermometers -- rather than the better coverage, more reliable SPACE satellites --- dontcha think it deserves a mention??

and unlike ideologues the scientists admit error

Just like any other profession. You will find raving fanatics with agendas in the sciences. And when you feed them a steady diet of Govt grants or appoint them to head your science agencies -- they will pervert their profession to get to their goals.

The problem isn't the entire community. The problem is the UN version of "science" and about a couple dozen other "fanatics" who manage to feed the angles and the propaganda to the media...

 

[Wyatt earp]

How much ocean temperature data do we have ? You just want to trust data from 2004?

There you go again playing climate scientist on the web without a science degree in climate science

Lmao you can't refute me... You need a climate science degree now? Hey I got an idea how about you go see the wizard of oz and ask for free will. Ask for common sense,

Like I said you put blind faith in what you are told...

That's a religion....

 

[flacaltenn]

Like when a political leader stacks his EPA with ideologues and then gets them to

A) declare CO2 "a pollutant" (when what you exhale is 5 times more polluted than the air you breath in.)

AND

B) Use that anti-science definition to confuse the public about the difference between "carbon pollution" and CO2 in order to misguide people into associating REAL pollution with the GW issue..

 

[Wyatt earp]

We do probably impact the climate a bit. And if you know the cause -- it MIGHT be preventable. CO2 has a diminishing effect on the GreenHouse. For every degree in temperature you get from increases in temperature -- you need TWICE as much CO2 to get the next degree. And water vapor is by far the LARGEST GHouse gas contributor. The GW theory states that man-made emissions are just the "trigger" to a runaway GH effect. That's the part of GW that is hotly debated and certainly not settled.​

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.​

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence NASA

One of the most vigorously debated topics on Earth is the issue of climate change, and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) data centers are central to answering some of the most pressing global change questions that remain unresolved. The National Centers for Environmental Information contains the instrumental and paleoclimatic records that can precisely define the nature of climatic fluctuations at time scales of a century and longer. Among the diverse kinds of data platforms whose data contribute to NCEI's resources are: Ships, buoys, weather stations, weather balloons, satellites, radar and many climate proxy records such as tree rings and ice cores.

The National Oceanographic Data Center contains the subsurface ocean data which reveal the ways that heat is distributed and redistributed over the planet. Knowing how these systems are changing and how they have changed in the past is crucial to understanding how they will change in the future. And, for climate information that extends from hundreds to thousands of years, paleoclimatology data, also available from the National Centers for Environmental Information, helps to provide longer term perspectives.​

Introduction: Global Warming | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)


Frequently Asked Questions: Frequently Asked Questions | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

How much ocean temperature data do we have ?

You just want to trust data from 2004?


Gawd damn you are a cult member...


Ocean temperture records | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You might point out to the brainwashed cultist that NASA GISS (stands for Goddard Inst.of Space Sciences) -- when they release all those blaring headlines about :"hottest month ever" and later retracts them -- NEVER ONCE mentions in their press releases that the 0.02degC responsible for this record WAS NOT CONFIRMED BY THEIR OWN GOD-DAMNED SATELLITES !!!!

Seems odd for a "space sciences" branch of the government to be preferring to declare records based on a highly man-processed and flawed database of thousands of land/sea based thermometers -- rather than the better coverage, more reliable SPACE satellites --- dontcha think it deserves a mention??

and unlike ideologues the scientists admit error

Just like any other profession. You will find raving fanatics with agendas in the sciences. And when you feed them a steady diet of Govt grants or appoint them to head your science agencies -- they will pervert their profession to get to their goals.

The problem isn't the entire community. The problem is the UN version of "science" and about a couple dozen other "fanatics" who manage to feed the angles and the propaganda to the media...

These AGW cult members will never understand that or want to, they like running around like a chicken with their head cut off screaming "HOTTEST DAY EVER RECORDED"

They weird. They remind me of the Jim Jones cult.

 

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Just like any other profession. You will find raving fanatics with agendas in the sciences. And when you feed them a steady diet of Govt grants or appoint them to head your science agencies -- they will pervert their profession to get to their goals.

The problem isn't the entire community. The problem is the UN version of "science" and about a couple dozen other "fanatics" who manage to feed the angles and the propaganda to the media...

Your claim is that the fanatics have been appointed to head the government agencies? You keep on going on about the UN. Thy do NOT set the agenda for US science policy or research. They are NOT in control of appointing heads of US agencies.

You tie your conspiracy together with the silly string of government grants -- $$$$If any of what you claim were true there would have been an uproar from within the scientific community and there was not and has not been one. The uproars has come from POLITICIANS funded through donations and people funded through GRANTS by Big Oil and others

 

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These AGW cult members will never understand that or want to, they like running around like a chicken with their head cut off screaming "HOTTEST DAY EVER RECORDED"

They weird. They remind me of the Jim Jones cult.

go away with your broken record

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Like when a political leader stacks his EPA with ideologues and then gets them to

A) declare CO2 "a pollutant" (when what you exhale is 5 times more polluted than the air you breath in.)

AND

B) Use that anti-science definition to confuse the public about the difference between "carbon pollution" and CO2 in order to misguide people into associating REAL pollution with the GW issue..

again you use political arguments

Reagan appointed people to head agency's who were anti those agency's missions. If I were to argue over their policies that would be a political argument. If I were to argue over the research that went into teh agencies missions ....


see?

 

[flacaltenn]

Like when a political leader stacks his EPA with ideologues and then gets them to

A) declare CO2 "a pollutant" (when what you exhale is 5 times more polluted than the air you breath in.)

AND

B) Use that anti-science definition to confuse the public about the difference between "carbon pollution" and CO2 in order to misguide people into associating REAL pollution with the GW issue..

again you use political arguments

Reagan appointed people to head agency's who were anti those agency's missions. If I were to argue over their policies that would be a political argument. If I were to argue over the research that went into teh agencies missions ....


see?

You're making ZERO sense.. You're rejecting that GW is political and then when I CLEARLY illustrate how political it is --- you excuse those actions as political.. Seems like there's more than just the science that you don't understand or don't WANT to understand..

 

[flacaltenn]

Did those A) and B) things happen? And how can you ignore the abuse of power and the prostitution of science to MAKE them happen in order to keep the GW movement alive??

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not if you CLAIM you can calculate the process and produce a model that accurately predicts the process.
We do that all the time. That's how you accurately guide a spacecraft to land on Mars. Or design an aerodynamics package for a race car. That's what the GW meisters CLAIM they have developed by their relatively crude understanding of the Earth's climate system. And instead of making progress in understanding all of the nuisances, we've squandered time and money by focusing only on the effects of man's emissions. We STILL really don't understand the cyclical nature or variabilities in the Sun's primary role or the way that heat is distributed in the oceans and the atmosphere.

If someone produces a model and predicts the future of climate change, you know it's a prediction right? If you pretend it's anything else other than that, then it's your problem for not seeing what is blatantly obvious. Most of the time it isn't the scientists who are making these claims, it's the media. The Scientists say "our model shows this" then the media says "Scientists say this will happen". You see? And it's your fault if you believe the media.

Do we need to understand the natural cycle here? What happens happens. We can't control it, we can merely reduce its impact on us. We also do research those things you're talking about. However the media likes to big up the man made stuff. I'd say probably justifiably. This is the thing we don't know if we can survive. We've survived various cycles of the Earth's climate.

 

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You're making ZERO sense.. You're rejecting that GW is political and then when I CLEARLY illustrate how political it is --- you excuse those actions as political.. Seems like there's more than just the science that you don't understand or don't WANT to understand..

What probably confuses you is that Dante separates the science from the policy debate

Any policy debate has to have some sort of politics involved -- it is what separates people into parties to a debate over policy. How to, when to, etc...

 

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Did those A) and B) things happen? And how can you ignore the abuse of power and the prostitution of science to MAKE them happen in order to keep the GW movement alive??

abuse of power?

oh please, your alarmism is showing

what's next Benghazi!!!?