Scientist: Do We Really Know?

[Toddsterpatriot]

i thought is was absorb = emit right?

Over what time frame?

so the earth heats and then it cools.

When?

Agree?

I can't agree with your imprecise statements.

Are all CO2 molecules the same?

No.

Over what time frame?

Why does that matter? yes or no, the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit. It has to be according to the laws.

Why does that matter?

Because we want to be accurate about the science. If the Earth absorbs more today than yesterday, why would it have to emit more.....today? Isn't it possible it could, instead, warm up, first, and them emit more, because SB says warmer matter emits more?

the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit.

How do ice ages start? Why do they continue?
Is it possible, at some point, that the Earth can emit more than it absorbs?

It has to be according to the laws.

You have a list of "the laws"?

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2. Or did you change your view on that ? Still waiting on your back radiation experiments? Oops you ain't got any!!! Derp

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2

To be magic, something needs to absorb and never emit.

Or did you change your view on that ?

Nope, I still believe all matter above 0K emits, even toward the ground, even toward warmer matter.
No smart photons.

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

 

[jc456]

Over what time frame?

Why does that matter? yes or no, the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit. It has to be according to the laws.

Why does that matter?

Because we want to be accurate about the science. If the Earth absorbs more today than yesterday, why would it have to emit more.....today? Isn't it possible it could, instead, warm up, first, and them emit more, because SB says warmer matter emits more?

the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit.

How do ice ages start? Why do they continue?
Is it possible, at some point, that the Earth can emit more than it absorbs?

It has to be according to the laws.

You have a list of "the laws"?

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2. Or did you change your view on that ? Still waiting on your back radiation experiments? Oops you ain't got any!!! Derp

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2

To be magic, something needs to absorb and never emit.

Or did you change your view on that ?

Nope, I still believe all matter above 0K emits, even toward the ground, even toward warmer matter.
No smart photons.

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why does that matter?

Because we want to be accurate about the science. If the Earth absorbs more today than yesterday, why would it have to emit more.....today? Isn't it possible it could, instead, warm up, first, and them emit more, because SB says warmer matter emits more?

the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit.

How do ice ages start? Why do they continue?
Is it possible, at some point, that the Earth can emit more than it absorbs?

It has to be according to the laws.

You have a list of "the laws"?

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2. Or did you change your view on that ? Still waiting on your back radiation experiments? Oops you ain't got any!!! Derp

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2

To be magic, something needs to absorb and never emit.

Or did you change your view on that ?

Nope, I still believe all matter above 0K emits, even toward the ground, even toward warmer matter.
No smart photons.

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

 

[RollingThunder]

i thought is was absorb = emit right?

Over what time frame?

so the earth heats and then it cools.

When?

Agree?

I can't agree with your imprecise statements.

Are all CO2 molecules the same?

No.

Over what time frame?

Why does that matter? yes or no, the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit. It has to be according to the laws.

Why does that matter?

Because we want to be accurate about the science. If the Earth absorbs more today than yesterday, why would it have to emit more.....today? Isn't it possible it could, instead, warm up, first, and them emit more, because SB says warmer matter emits more?

the earth surface will emit all it absorbs? absorb = emit.

How do ice ages start? Why do they continue?
Is it possible, at some point, that the Earth can emit more than it absorbs?

It has to be according to the laws.

You have a list of "the laws"?

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2. Or did you change your view on that ? Still waiting on your back radiation experiments? Oops you ain't got any!!! Derp

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2

To be magic, something needs to absorb and never emit.

Or did you change your view on that ?

Nope, I still believe all matter above 0K emits, even toward the ground, even toward warmer matter.
No smart photons.

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

Too bad your head is jammed so far up the fossil fuel industry's butt, JustCrazy, or you might have seen the news....

Climate scientists find elusive tropospheric hot spot
PhysOrg
May 14, 2015

 

[jc456]

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2. Or did you change your view on that ? Still waiting on your back radiation experiments? Oops you ain't got any!!! Derp

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2

To be magic, something needs to absorb and never emit.

Or did you change your view on that ?

Nope, I still believe all matter above 0K emits, even toward the ground, even toward warmer matter.
No smart photons.

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It emits what its sorbs just like your magic CO2

To be magic, something needs to absorb and never emit.

Or did you change your view on that ?

Nope, I still believe all matter above 0K emits, even toward the ground, even toward warmer matter.
No smart photons.

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

 

[jc456]

I disagree. And since you can't show that other than a cartoon or math equation, it means nothing to me. The missing hot spot is also a clue to the nonexistence of such a thing in the atmosphere.

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I disagree.

You disagree that all matter above 0K emits? Good for you!

Let me know when you get any real back up for your claim.
And I'd love to hear more about CO2 cooling the Earth.
Your "CO2 escapes the planet" was the best!!! Tell us more.

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

 

[jc456]

it's more than you've posted. Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about. There is such a thing as a test, and so far jack, you've shown nothing. So the ball is still in your court. And yes, I've provided links and scientists/ physicists that I have found that have done experiments in this forum. But you, nope. Even a link from NASA on cooling CO2. but hey, keep ignoring it, I don't care. The message is out there.

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cartoons and math equations isn't all science is about.

The math of the SB Law is kind of a big one where science is concerned.
You brought up the Bohr Model, so the cartoon was relevant.

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.........

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

 

[jc456]

Now back to your CO2 cooling the planet fantasy.

What? posted material from NASA. hmmmm you ignoring it, does not mean me posting it again.

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What? posted material from NASA.

You posted material from NASA that says CO2 cools the planet?

You're lying. You did post some funny shit from a guy dumber than SSDD.
He wasn't from NASA though.......

Tell me more about CO2 magically achieving escape velocity.
That was even dumber than your claim that CO2 absorbs and never emits.

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

 

[LaDexter]

Given that in the past million years Greenland froze while North America thawed, if CO2 did both, then it both warms and cools... or something like that...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Given that in the past million years Greenland froze while North America thawed, if CO2 did both, then it both warms and cools... or something like that...

Derp!

 

[jc456]

why not just post up your experiment and that will end your pursuit for the truth? LOL

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

and I'm still waiting.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You've already claimed the SB Law doesn't apply to CO2.
Facts and logic can't penetrate your idiocy.

When you find proof of your stupid claims, I'll be glad to laugh at it.

Liar.

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

and I'm still waiting.

Liar.

 

[jc456]

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

and I'm still waiting.

Liar.

"Mlynczak is the associate principal investigator for the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air hundreds of km above our planet’s surface.

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”"

Solar Storm Dumps Gigawatts into Earth's Upper Atmosphere - NASA Science

 

[jc456]

blah, blah blah, end this discussion by presenting your experiment dude. Let's go end it today, prove my dumb ass wrong. I'm still waiting.

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

and I'm still waiting.

Liar.

and it was a link in this link:

Scientist: Do We Really Know?

now say you're sorry.

And you got that there experiment yet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

and I'm still waiting.

Liar.

"Mlynczak is the associate principal investigator for the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air hundreds of km above our planet’s surface.

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”"

Solar Storm Dumps Gigawatts into Earth's Upper Atmosphere - NASA Science

For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy. Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.

Holy crap! CO2 radiated 5% of that energy toward the Earth's surface.
Don't tell SSDD. LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lying liar says what? Derp!

i get a kick out of those who can't do what they want others to do. And the continued blah, blah, blah and no experiment of back radiation. come on shut me up, post the experiment.

I get a kick out of the claim that NASA posted proof that CO2 cools the planet.

Even if it did (it doesn't, moron), they'd never admit it because they're deep in the AGW scam.

So thanks for the laugh, liar.

and I'm still waiting.

Liar.

and it was a link in this link:

Scientist: Do We Really Know?

now say you're sorry.

And you got that there experiment yet?

Thanks. I questioned your article in post #131.

Allow me to reiterate.

According to the data, up to 95 percent of solar radiation is literally bounced back into space by both CO2 and NO in the upper atmosphere.

Literally bounced back? How does it do that?

You, unsurprisingly, ran from my question.