Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

[Old Rocks]

skooks, was just reading about the earth's axis this morning. I am going to check out some links, but what I read was that there are scientists looking at the axis of the earth as a reason for why the Arctic is warming. The Arctic is seeing more sun in the summer. Hmmmm funny how that is never a possibility with warmers. The sun!

JC, look for 'precession' in Wiki. There are 2 types of precession, axial and apsidal, both with periods of around 20k years. But not in sync! and the whole business is further complicated by the gravitational influences of the other planets, which are all dancing to their own tunes. And the Earth's orbit varies from almost circular, to rather elliptical.
Currently the Earth is closest to the Sun in Jan/Dec, so the Northern hemisphere gets warmer winters, and the Southern cooler summers. But that effect is miniscule, and completely overwhelmed by the Greenhouse effect.
But you can pretend it's not true, and look for anomolies in scientific results to 'support' your case.
The great thing about Science is that it is self-correcting, and when new data proves an idea needs to be updated, they do it.
Thunder, you do us a disservice by descending into vitriol. Leave that shit to the unenlightened...

so basically you confirm my thought. If one thing is happening to one side of the planet, the opposite is happening to the other side. thanks.If the Arctic is warming, then the Antarctic is cooling. No way to have both be the same. So it seems that is balanced so how is it the earth is warming?

Poor dumb jc, flapping yap again before even looking at the data. A real dumb fuck.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Area

 

[jc456]

skooks, was just reading about the earth's axis this morning. I am going to check out some links, but what I read was that there are scientists looking at the axis of the earth as a reason for why the Arctic is warming. The Arctic is seeing more sun in the summer. Hmmmm funny how that is never a possibility with warmers. The sun!

JC, look for 'precession' in Wiki. There are 2 types of precession, axial and apsidal, both with periods of around 20k years. But not in sync! and the whole business is further complicated by the gravitational influences of the other planets, which are all dancing to their own tunes. And the Earth's orbit varies from almost circular, to rather elliptical.
Currently the Earth is closest to the Sun in Jan/Dec, so the Northern hemisphere gets warmer winters, and the Southern cooler summers. But that effect is miniscule, and completely overwhelmed by the Greenhouse effect.
But you can pretend it's not true, and look for anomolies in scientific results to 'support' your case.
The great thing about Science is that it is self-correcting, and when new data proves an idea needs to be updated, they do it.
Thunder, you do us a disservice by descending into vitriol. Leave that shit to the unenlightened...

so basically you confirm my thought. If one thing is happening to one side of the planet, the opposite is happening to the other side. thanks.If the Arctic is warming, then the Antarctic is cooling. No way to have both be the same. So it seems that is balanced so how is it the earth is warming?

Poor dumb jc, flapping yap again before even looking at the data. A real dumb fuck.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Area

Seriously?

 

[elektra]

Summary:
A new study questions the popular notion that 10th-century Norse people were able to colonize Greenland Norse arrived -- and that climate thus probably played little role in their mysterious demise some 400 years e enjoyed clement weather, did not necessarily extend to other parts of the world.
records from Greenland. Recently, historians have proposed more complex factors in addition to, or instead of, climate: hostilities with the Inuit, a decline in ivory trade, soil erosion caused by the Vikings' imported ca..
The strong implication: it was at least as cold when the Vikings arrived as when they left. "If the Vikings twere not uniform; some places, including parts of central Eurasia and northwestern North America, may actually have cooled ofgion, the research includes a 2013 study of ocean-bottom sediments suggesting that temperatures in the western North Atlantic actually went down as the eastern North Atlantic warmed. Other studies of the region suggest a more complex picture. A 2011 study of a core from the Greenland ice sheet shows a strong cooling at the start of Norse occupation, and another in the middle, with interspersed warming. On the other hand, lake-bottom sediments from southwestern Greenland studied in 2011 by Lamont-Doherty paleoclimatologist William D'Andrea, suggest it might indeed have been warm when the Norse arrived, but that climate cooled starting in 1160, well before the Little Ice Age.

The new study may feed recent suggestions by other researchers that the Medieval Warm Period was in part just an extended phase of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). Modern observations show that the NAO is a generally decadal-scale climate cycle, in which warm winds from the west strengthen and boost temperatures in Europe and Iceland, but simultaneously make southwest Greenland and Baffin Island colder, by sucking in more Arctic air. That makes the two regions seesaw in opposite directions.

soilingblunder nailed it, A NEW STUDY questions, probably played, did not necessarily, proposed, strong implication, may actually, suggesting, suggest it might, may feed, generally, That the Vikings is a Great Story.

 

[Crick]

And, again, you demonstrate your failing in the most basic tenets of science.

 

[SSDD]

And, again, you demonstrate your failing in the most basic tenets of science.

Climate pseudoscience fails at the most basic tenets of science...they are, however, fabulous storytellers....they should be put in charge of hollywood.

 

[RollingThunder]

And, again, you demonstrate your failing in the most basic tenets of science.

Climate pseudoscience fails at the most basic tenets of science...they are, however, fabulous storytellers....they should be put in charge of hollywood.

And another deranged, anti-science, denier cult retard imagines that he knows more about science than the actual scientists. Very pathetic and very hilarious.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And, again, you demonstrate your failing in the most basic tenets of science.

Climate pseudoscience fails at the most basic tenets of science...they are, however, fabulous storytellers....they should be put in charge of hollywood.

And another deranged, anti-science, denier cult retard imagines that he knows more about science than the actual scientists. Very pathetic and very hilarious.

SSDD is an idiot, but he's not pushing trillions in wasteful spending on "green energy", so he's got that going for him.

 

[RollingThunder]

Here is some more relevant info on the melting of the Arctic ice cap.

Study reveals how Arctic Ocean drives ice melt
Morning Post Exchange
March 3, 2016
Fairbanks - Unprecedented ice melt in the Arctic Ocean is not caused by warming air alone, according to a recent study that emerged from a workshop at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Sea ice in the Arctic has continued to get thinner and smaller and to move faster during the past two decades.

Examining a collection of observational data obtained for more than two decades, a group of more than two dozen international researchers gathered at the March 2013 workshop to tackle the question of whether the increasing warmth of the Arctic Ocean itself is melting its own cover of ice.

The results were published in December in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

Researchers investigated how the effects of ocean currents, salinity, wind and ice interact with one another to accelerate sea ice melting. They showed that small changes in ways the ocean transports heat to the ice cover could have a substantial impact on future changes in Arctic ice cover.

“Sea ice loss has implications for governance, economics, security and global weather, so it is critical to understand how ocean, ice and air interact,” said Igor Polyakov of the UAF International Arctic Research Center, who was one of the lead authors of the study.

The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are heating up and warmer currents are flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The heat from these currents would melt the Arctic sea ice instantly, Polyakov said, but so far it hasn’t happened because the warm currents don’t come into direct contact with the ice.

“The reason is these currents are saltier, therefore heavier, so they sink deeper into the ocean. Colder, fresher surface water partly shields the ice on the surface from warm water below,” he said.

Wind and faster-moving ice floes stir the ocean below, causing cold surface water and warm waters below to mix. As they are mixed, warmer water is brought to the surface and melts the ice cover from beneath it.

As this process continues, more sea ice melts.

The heat from the sun not only directly melts the sea ice but also heats up the water between ice floes, which is darker than ice and absorbs more heat. The heat from the sun also penetrates the thin areas of the ice, causing them to break from bigger, solid masses of ice. These smaller ice floes move freely.

Fresh water rushing from the large Siberian and North American rivers add more warm water to the ocean and accelerate ice melt, according to the paper.

The Arctic is warming faster than any other region on the planet.

“Sea ice melt in the Arctic is one of the most visible indicators of global climate change,” said Peter Winsor of the UAF Institute of Marine Science, who contributed to the study.

The study presents the most comprehensive summary so far of the current understanding of how heat reaches the ice base from the original sources, such as currents from different oceans and river discharge. The study gives key directions for creating more realistic future projections of the warmer and more dynamic “new Arctic.”

“Physical mechanisms within the Arctic Ocean impact biological, chemical, geological and physical processes and occur across sovereign state boundaries,” noted Polyakov. “So it is really important that we make multidisciplinary, multiagency and multinational efforts to reduce uncertainties in the projections of the future Arctic.”

 

[hunarcy]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

 

[RollingThunder]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

 

[jc456]

Here is some more relevant info on the melting of the Arctic ice cap.

Study reveals how Arctic Ocean drives ice melt
Morning Post Exchange
March 3, 2016
Fairbanks - Unprecedented ice melt in the Arctic Ocean is not caused by warming air alone, according to a recent study that emerged from a workshop at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Sea ice in the Arctic has continued to get thinner and smaller and to move faster during the past two decades.

Examining a collection of observational data obtained for more than two decades, a group of more than two dozen international researchers gathered at the March 2013 workshop to tackle the question of whether the increasing warmth of the Arctic Ocean itself is melting its own cover of ice.

The results were published in December in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

Researchers investigated how the effects of ocean currents, salinity, wind and ice interact with one another to accelerate sea ice melting. They showed that small changes in ways the ocean transports heat to the ice cover could have a substantial impact on future changes in Arctic ice cover.

“Sea ice loss has implications for governance, economics, security and global weather, so it is critical to understand how ocean, ice and air interact,” said Igor Polyakov of the UAF International Arctic Research Center, who was one of the lead authors of the study.

The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are heating up and warmer currents are flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The heat from these currents would melt the Arctic sea ice instantly, Polyakov said, but so far it hasn’t happened because the warm currents don’t come into direct contact with the ice.

“The reason is these currents are saltier, therefore heavier, so they sink deeper into the ocean. Colder, fresher surface water partly shields the ice on the surface from warm water below,” he said.

Wind and faster-moving ice floes stir the ocean below, causing cold surface water and warm waters below to mix. As they are mixed, warmer water is brought to the surface and melts the ice cover from beneath it.

As this process continues, more sea ice melts.

The heat from the sun not only directly melts the sea ice but also heats up the water between ice floes, which is darker than ice and absorbs more heat. The heat from the sun also penetrates the thin areas of the ice, causing them to break from bigger, solid masses of ice. These smaller ice floes move freely.

Fresh water rushing from the large Siberian and North American rivers add more warm water to the ocean and accelerate ice melt, according to the paper.

The Arctic is warming faster than any other region on the planet.

“Sea ice melt in the Arctic is one of the most visible indicators of global climate change,” said Peter Winsor of the UAF Institute of Marine Science, who contributed to the study.

The study presents the most comprehensive summary so far of the current understanding of how heat reaches the ice base from the original sources, such as currents from different oceans and river discharge. The study gives key directions for creating more realistic future projections of the warmer and more dynamic “new Arctic.”

“Physical mechanisms within the Arctic Ocean impact biological, chemical, geological and physical processes and occur across sovereign state boundaries,” noted Polyakov. “So it is really important that we make multidisciplinary, multiagency and multinational efforts to reduce uncertainties in the projections of the future Arctic.”

well here from one of your trusted sites: (2014)

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

Excerpt:
"Sea ice surrounding Antarctica reached a new record high extent this year, covering more of the southern oceans than it has since scientists began a long-term satellite record to map sea ice extent in the late 1970s. The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.

The new Antarctic sea ice record reflects the diversity and complexity of Earth’s environments, said NASA researchers. Claire Parkinson, a senior scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, has referred to changes in sea ice coverage as a microcosm of global climate change. Just as the temperatures in some regions of the planet are colder than average, even in our warming world, Antarctic sea ice has been increasing and bucking the overall trend of ice loss."

Hey bozo, they also agree with me that the two poles react opposite. Doh!!!!!!

And there is an explanation and it isn't due to CO2. Now that's me.

Edit: 2015 from NASA again,

Antarctic Ice Gaining Size, Thanks to Snowfall, NASA Says

Excerpt:
"There are two types of Antarctic ice scientists use to gauge climatic activity: sea ice and land ice on the continent. This year, satellite data found both to be increasing in mass, rather than shrinking, a reflection of the complexity of global climate change and Antarctic weather patterns."

BTW, snow is the only way land ice can increase. DOH!

 

[hunarcy]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

Wow! You are really one of the stupidiest posters that I've seen on this board. Too stupid to read in the future. And speaking of reading, you should have read the whole article.

"So what’s causing it all? It’s a complicated picture, say scientists, but it’s likely much of it has to do with the very strong El Niño event that has carried over from 2015. But that’s not necessarily the only factor."

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

I pity you for your inadvertent admission of mental incompetence.

 

[jc456]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

Wow! You are really one of the stupidiest posters that I've seen on this board. Too stupid to read in the future. And speaking of reading, you should have read the whole article.

"So what’s causing it all? It’s a complicated picture, say scientists, but it’s likely much of it has to do with the very strong El Niño event that has carried over from 2015. But that’s not necessarily the only factor."

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

I pity you for your inadvertent admission of mental incompetence.

And the increase in Antarctic Ice vs any loss of Arctic ice could mean an axis change to the earth exposing the Arctic and keeping the sun away from the Antarctic. Oh in order for sea ice to increase the region has to be colder.

Completely opposite the CO2 theory thingy.

 

[RollingThunder]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

Wow! You are really one of the stupidiest posters that I've seen on this board. Too stupid to read in the future. And speaking of reading, you should have read the whole article.

"So what’s causing it all? It’s a complicated picture, say scientists, but it’s likely much of it has to do with the very strong El Niño event that has carried over from 2015. But that’s not necessarily the only factor."

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

I pity you for your inadvertent admission of mental incompetence.

What is happening in the Arctic right now is an ongoing process of warming and ice melt caused by rising atmospheric temperatures and rising ocean temperatures.....this process has been developing for many decades now and IT HAS ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT EL NINO EVENT IN THE PACIFIC. You poor fucking denier cult imbecile!

 

[jc456]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

Wow! You are really one of the stupidiest posters that I've seen on this board. Too stupid to read in the future. And speaking of reading, you should have read the whole article.

"So what’s causing it all? It’s a complicated picture, say scientists, but it’s likely much of it has to do with the very strong El Niño event that has carried over from 2015. But that’s not necessarily the only factor."

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

I pity you for your inadvertent admission of mental incompetence.

What is happening in the Arctic right now is an ongoing process of warming and ice melt caused by rising atmospheric temperatures and rising ocean temperatures.....this process has been developing for many decades now and IT HAS ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT EL NINO EVENT IN THE PACIFIC. You poor fucking denier cult imbecile!

if the arctic warms it is due to the position to the sun and the sun is causing some of it, but warm water currents on the edges. Come on man, can't you get anything right?

 

[RollingThunder]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post

New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.

But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn’t uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.

Indeed, NASA provides a “zonal mean” version of the temperature map above, which shows how the temperature departures from average change based on one’s latitude location on the Earth. As you can see, things get especially warm, relative to what the Earth is used to, as you enter the very high latitudes:

Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

Wow! You are really one of the stupidiest posters that I've seen on this board. Too stupid to read in the future. And speaking of reading, you should have read the whole article.

"So what’s causing it all? It’s a complicated picture, say scientists, but it’s likely much of it has to do with the very strong El Niño event that has carried over from 2015. But that’s not necessarily the only factor."

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

I pity you for your inadvertent admission of mental incompetence.

What is happening in the Arctic right now is an ongoing process of warming and ice melt caused by rising atmospheric temperatures and rising ocean temperatures.....this process has been developing for many decades now and IT HAS ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT EL NINO EVENT IN THE PACIFIC. You poor fucking denier cult imbecile!

if the arctic warms it is due to the position to the sun and the sun is causing some of it, but warm water currents on the edges. Come on man, can't you get anything right?

Your moronic anti-science denial of reality only impresses the other denier cult retards, JustCrazy. Everyone else recognizes your utter insanity and just ignores you.

 

[jc456]

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

Source: Washington Post
Read more: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

But hey, it aint happening as it is all made up and so we should go pray to jesus christ!!! Read our 2,000 year old book and sing how god makes sure this never happens. lol

Why are they floored? Do you think they didn't know about El Nino?

Are you really that ignorant? LOL.

What's happening in the Arctic right now has almost nothing to do with this current El Niño.

It has everything to do with rapidly rising air temperatures in the Arctic region melting ice from above, and a rapidly warming Arctic Ocean melting ice from below.

Get a clue, numbnuts.

Wow! You are really one of the stupidiest posters that I've seen on this board. Too stupid to read in the future. And speaking of reading, you should have read the whole article.

"So what’s causing it all? It’s a complicated picture, say scientists, but it’s likely much of it has to do with the very strong El Niño event that has carried over from 2015. But that’s not necessarily the only factor."

Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now

I pity you for your inadvertent admission of mental incompetence.

What is happening in the Arctic right now is an ongoing process of warming and ice melt caused by rising atmospheric temperatures and rising ocean temperatures.....this process has been developing for many decades now and IT HAS ALMOST NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT EL NINO EVENT IN THE PACIFIC. You poor fucking denier cult imbecile!

if the arctic warms it is due to the position to the sun and the sun is causing some of it, but warm water currents on the edges. Come on man, can't you get anything right?

Your moronic anti-science denial of reality only impresses the other denier cult retards, JustCrazy. Everyone else recognizes your utter insanity and just ignores you.

Hey blunder, until you come up with evidence, I'll go with other material I find as explanations as to the possible behavior in the arctic.

Hey dufas ass, read up:

NASA - Earth's Inconstant Magnetic Field

"Scientists have long known that the magnetic pole moves. James Ross located the pole for the first time in 1831 after an exhausting arctic journey during which his ship got stuck in the ice for four years. No one returned until the next century. In 1904, Roald Amundsen found the pole again and discovered that it had moved--at least 50 km since the days of Ross."

Notice the terms here, scientists, (plural) and source NASA one of your favorite sources. hmmmmm seems you may be the one blundering here, just saying.

 

[mamooth]

Giant metaphor crashes through the ice in Canada's North - Cantech Letter
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The truck is currently semi-submerged in the top portion of the ice, which one official estimates to be between 100 and 120 centimetres thick. No one was injured in the incident.

The symbolism of a fuel truck trapped in the ice in Canada’s north will not be lost on anyone who follows news from the scientific community about climate change.
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[RollingThunder]

Here is some more relevant info on the melting of the Arctic ice cap.

Study reveals how Arctic Ocean drives ice melt
Morning Post Exchange
March 3, 2016
Fairbanks - Unprecedented ice melt in the Arctic Ocean is not caused by warming air alone, according to a recent study that emerged from a workshop at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Sea ice in the Arctic has continued to get thinner and smaller and to move faster during the past two decades.

Examining a collection of observational data obtained for more than two decades, a group of more than two dozen international researchers gathered at the March 2013 workshop to tackle the question of whether the increasing warmth of the Arctic Ocean itself is melting its own cover of ice.

The results were published in December in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

Researchers investigated how the effects of ocean currents, salinity, wind and ice interact with one another to accelerate sea ice melting. They showed that small changes in ways the ocean transports heat to the ice cover could have a substantial impact on future changes in Arctic ice cover.

“Sea ice loss has implications for governance, economics, security and global weather, so it is critical to understand how ocean, ice and air interact,” said Igor Polyakov of the UAF International Arctic Research Center, who was one of the lead authors of the study.

The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are heating up and warmer currents are flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The heat from these currents would melt the Arctic sea ice instantly, Polyakov said, but so far it hasn’t happened because the warm currents don’t come into direct contact with the ice.

“The reason is these currents are saltier, therefore heavier, so they sink deeper into the ocean. Colder, fresher surface water partly shields the ice on the surface from warm water below,” he said.

Wind and faster-moving ice floes stir the ocean below, causing cold surface water and warm waters below to mix. As they are mixed, warmer water is brought to the surface and melts the ice cover from beneath it.

As this process continues, more sea ice melts.

The heat from the sun not only directly melts the sea ice but also heats up the water between ice floes, which is darker than ice and absorbs more heat. The heat from the sun also penetrates the thin areas of the ice, causing them to break from bigger, solid masses of ice. These smaller ice floes move freely.

Fresh water rushing from the large Siberian and North American rivers add more warm water to the ocean and accelerate ice melt, according to the paper.

The Arctic is warming faster than any other region on the planet.

“Sea ice melt in the Arctic is one of the most visible indicators of global climate change,” said Peter Winsor of the UAF Institute of Marine Science, who contributed to the study.

The study presents the most comprehensive summary so far of the current understanding of how heat reaches the ice base from the original sources, such as currents from different oceans and river discharge. The study gives key directions for creating more realistic future projections of the warmer and more dynamic “new Arctic.”

“Physical mechanisms within the Arctic Ocean impact biological, chemical, geological and physical processes and occur across sovereign state boundaries,” noted Polyakov. “So it is really important that we make multidisciplinary, multiagency and multinational efforts to reduce uncertainties in the projections of the future Arctic.”

well here from one of your trusted sites: (2014)

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

Excerpt:
"The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.

The new Antarctic sea ice record reflects the diversity and complexity of Earth’s environments, said NASA researchers. Claire Parkinson, a senior scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, has referred to changes in sea ice coverage as a microcosm of global climate change. Just as the temperatures in some regions of the planet are colder than average, even in our warming world, Antarctic sea ice has been increasing and bucking the overall trend of ice loss."

This is 2016.....and ol' JustCrazy posts an old article from 2014 (Oct. 7, 2014), citing info that is no longer correct, and spewing the usual deranged denier cult propaganda.

The minor increase in wintertime maximimum Antarctic sea ice has been one of the denier cult's big talking points....for duping scientifically ignorant retards. The thin fringe of sea ice a couple of meters thick (around a continent covered in miles thick ice sheets) had been increasing slightly in recent years at its Southern Hemisphere winter maximum extent.....

But not this year -
2015 Antarctic maximum sea ice extent breaks streak of record highs
NASA
October 19, 2015
By Maria-José Viñas,
The sea ice cover of the Southern Ocean reached its yearly maximum extent on Oct. 6. At 7.27 million square miles (18.83 million square kilometers), the new maximum extent falls roughly in the middle of the record of Antarctic maximum extents compiled during the 37 years of satellite measurements – this year’s maximum extent is both the 22nd lowest and the 16th highest. More remarkably, this year’s maximum is quite a bit smaller than the previous three years, which correspond to the three highest maximum extents in the satellite era, and is also the lowest since 2008.

.....but in its minimum months, sea ice extent has stayed fairly constant. Antarctic sea ice has been increasing slightly before this year because of increased precipitation caused by increased atmospheric water content that is itself caused by global warming. As the southern ocean continues to warm, scientists expect this Antarctic sea ice to continue to diminish. It has little bearing on global warming or global climate changes.

How does Arctic sea ice loss compare to Antarctic sea ice gain?
(excerpts)
Arctic sea ice loss is three times greater than Antarctic sea ice gain. The first point to clarify is that we are talking about floating sea ice, not to be confused with land ice. Land ice at both poles and in glaciers around the world is sliding into the ocean at an accelerating rate. This net loss of land ice is contributing to sea level rise.

Figure 1: Global sea ice extent since 1979. (Image source: Tamino. Data is from US National Snow and Ice Data Center.)

Figure 2: National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) Antarctic, Arctic, and global (sum of the two) sea ice extents with linear trends. The data is smoothed with a 12-month running average.

Sea ice grows and shrinks seasonally because polar latitudes have vastly more daylight hours in summer than in winter. When ice melts, it makes the surface less reflective and amplifies the warming (as is currently occurring in the Arctic), but this effect can only make a difference when the Sun is up. Thus the most important time of year for sea ice is its annual minimum which occurs at the end of the summer: September in the Arctic but February in the Antarctic. So how do the two compare?

Figure 3: Minimum sea ice extent since 1979 in the Arctic and Antarctic. (Image source: James Hansen. Data is from US National Snow and Ice Data Center.)

 

[jc456]

Here is some more relevant info on the melting of the Arctic ice cap.

Study reveals how Arctic Ocean drives ice melt
Morning Post Exchange
March 3, 2016
Fairbanks - Unprecedented ice melt in the Arctic Ocean is not caused by warming air alone, according to a recent study that emerged from a workshop at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Sea ice in the Arctic has continued to get thinner and smaller and to move faster during the past two decades.

Examining a collection of observational data obtained for more than two decades, a group of more than two dozen international researchers gathered at the March 2013 workshop to tackle the question of whether the increasing warmth of the Arctic Ocean itself is melting its own cover of ice.

The results were published in December in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

Researchers investigated how the effects of ocean currents, salinity, wind and ice interact with one another to accelerate sea ice melting. They showed that small changes in ways the ocean transports heat to the ice cover could have a substantial impact on future changes in Arctic ice cover.

“Sea ice loss has implications for governance, economics, security and global weather, so it is critical to understand how ocean, ice and air interact,” said Igor Polyakov of the UAF International Arctic Research Center, who was one of the lead authors of the study.

The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are heating up and warmer currents are flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The heat from these currents would melt the Arctic sea ice instantly, Polyakov said, but so far it hasn’t happened because the warm currents don’t come into direct contact with the ice.

“The reason is these currents are saltier, therefore heavier, so they sink deeper into the ocean. Colder, fresher surface water partly shields the ice on the surface from warm water below,” he said.

Wind and faster-moving ice floes stir the ocean below, causing cold surface water and warm waters below to mix. As they are mixed, warmer water is brought to the surface and melts the ice cover from beneath it.

As this process continues, more sea ice melts.

The heat from the sun not only directly melts the sea ice but also heats up the water between ice floes, which is darker than ice and absorbs more heat. The heat from the sun also penetrates the thin areas of the ice, causing them to break from bigger, solid masses of ice. These smaller ice floes move freely.

Fresh water rushing from the large Siberian and North American rivers add more warm water to the ocean and accelerate ice melt, according to the paper.

The Arctic is warming faster than any other region on the planet.

“Sea ice melt in the Arctic is one of the most visible indicators of global climate change,” said Peter Winsor of the UAF Institute of Marine Science, who contributed to the study.

The study presents the most comprehensive summary so far of the current understanding of how heat reaches the ice base from the original sources, such as currents from different oceans and river discharge. The study gives key directions for creating more realistic future projections of the warmer and more dynamic “new Arctic.”

“Physical mechanisms within the Arctic Ocean impact biological, chemical, geological and physical processes and occur across sovereign state boundaries,” noted Polyakov. “So it is really important that we make multidisciplinary, multiagency and multinational efforts to reduce uncertainties in the projections of the future Arctic.”

well here from one of your trusted sites: (2014)

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

Excerpt:
"The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.

The new Antarctic sea ice record reflects the diversity and complexity of Earth’s environments, said NASA researchers. Claire Parkinson, a senior scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, has referred to changes in sea ice coverage as a microcosm of global climate change. Just as the temperatures in some regions of the planet are colder than average, even in our warming world, Antarctic sea ice has been increasing and bucking the overall trend of ice loss."

This is 2016.....and ol' JustCrazy posts an old article from 2014 (Oct. 7, 2014), citing info that is no longer correct, and spewing the usual deranged denier cult propaganda.

The minor increase in wintertime maximimum Antarctic sea ice has been one of the denier cult's big talking points....for duping scientifically ignorant retards. The thin fringe of sea ice a couple of meters thick (around a continent covered in miles thick ice sheets) had been increasing slightly in recent years at its Southern Hemisphere winter maximum extent.....

But not this year -
2015 Antarctic maximum sea ice extent breaks streak of record highs
NASA
October 19, 2015
By Maria-José Viñas,
The sea ice cover of the Southern Ocean reached its yearly maximum extent on Oct. 6. At 7.27 million square miles (18.83 million square kilometers), the new maximum extent falls roughly in the middle of the record of Antarctic maximum extents compiled during the 37 years of satellite measurements – this year’s maximum extent is both the 22nd lowest and the 16th highest. More remarkably, this year’s maximum is quite a bit smaller than the previous three years, which correspond to the three highest maximum extents in the satellite era, and is also the lowest since 2008.

.....but in its minimum months, sea ice extent has stayed fairly constant. Antarctic sea ice has been increasing slightly before this year because of increased precipitation caused by increased atmospheric water content that is itself caused by global warming. As the southern ocean continues to warm, scientists expect this Antarctic sea ice to continue to diminish. It has little bearing on global warming or global climate changes.

How does Arctic sea ice loss compare to Antarctic sea ice gain?
(excerpts)
Arctic sea ice loss is three times greater than Antarctic sea ice gain. The first point to clarify is that we are talking about floating sea ice, not to be confused with land ice. Land ice at both poles and in glaciers around the world is sliding into the ocean at an accelerating rate. This net loss of land ice is contributing to sea level rise.

Figure 1: Global sea ice extent since 1979. (Image source: Tamino. Data is from US National Snow and Ice Data Center.)

Figure 2: National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) Antarctic, Arctic, and global (sum of the two) sea ice extents with linear trends. The data is smoothed with a 12-month running average.

Sea ice grows and shrinks seasonally because polar latitudes have vastly more daylight hours in summer than in winter. When ice melts, it makes the surface less reflective and amplifies the warming (as is currently occurring in the Arctic), but this effect can only make a difference when the Sun is up. Thus the most important time of year for sea ice is its annual minimum which occurs at the end of the summer: September in the Arctic but February in the Antarctic. So how do the two compare?

Figure 3: Minimum sea ice extent since 1979 in the Arctic and Antarctic. (Image source: James Hansen. Data is from US National Snow and Ice Data Center.)

so you can't dispute my post, I don't understand yours, cause you didn't address mine at all. You think you did cause you think so, but you didn't cause, you didn't.

here:

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

Excerpt:
"The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.

The new Antarctic sea ice record reflects the diversity and complexity of Earth’s environments, said NASA researchers. Claire Parkinson, a senior scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, has referred to changes in sea ice coverage as a microcosm of global climate change. Just as the temperatures in some regions of the planet are colder than average, even in our warming world, Antarctic sea ice has been increasing and bucking the overall trend of ice loss."